We have come to that place where delays are harder to come by. Whether by the final revelation (coming) method or by trial the accusation of bank fraud is going to be settled. Based on the unfolding of trial preparation I could not be happier with how things have gone. If one is willing to suffer they can confront the tyrant. Scott and I trained in Christ for suffering we’ll get that privilege. The only way they could win is to scare us into a surrender. It worked on others but not on us. Knowing how close our remedy is pursuing us is getting exciting. I have never been bound by the ignorance on this blog or in the courtroom. Thank the Lord I have always been able to see my way clearly on the subject matter. The last important battle now is for evidence. The government’s favorite tool is to disallow any exonerating evidence and to have a trial irrelevant to the true facts. A mere piece of controlled propaganda. I’ve been preparing for this weapon for two years. They will not be able to help themselves falling into the traps I’ve laid for them to raise the precluded evidence. Once the subjects are breached by the prosecution they are open game. A trapper must know the behavior of the prey to be successful. A seven-month trial for securities fraud is very revealing if you keep your eyes open. The stakes were not high then. I was a young man who could do the time, did not have the interest of thousands of clients, an industry at risk, or a great wife. I am glad to have had the training then to benefit now. That is the wonder of living in Christ. All things work together for good for those who are called according to His purposes. Things will rapidly be changing so pay attention.
NEED: I no longer have copies of the radio show I did with Alex Merklinger and the gentleman in Washington D.C. Also the TV interview on Fox News. If any of you have a copy, link, or access I will need these as evidence. Your help is appreciated.
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Federal Detention Center
5675 8th St. Camp Parks
Dublin, CA 94568
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26 comments:
Kafoolya: The depth of your illiteracy is truly and utterly astonishing. Wow.
tcob, We've had to put up with your nonsense these 2 years...i guess we can put up with it a little longer.
But you know what speaks louder than the naysayer babble??.... This courageous guy named Kurt Johnson, that you claim is a "crook", "scam artist", "looser", "jesus wanna be", etc is sitting in jail and is just as sharp, clear-headed, focused, articulate, and full of faith as the day he first got tossed in there unjustly. I dont care what you or the others have to say, this guy is the real-deal. Any other "joe" would have been sitting in the corner of the jail cell sucking their thumb and crying like a baby by now. But this guy is getting sharper with time.
When you got Yeshua on your side, you get everything that comes with Him....Peace, Strength, Wisdom, etc.
The End is Near.
Good job mogel:)
tcob247 said...
You know what is real funny
I make a 10 word or less post and Kafoolya spends an hour typing his little fingers away responding
I love it
Keep it up there little buddy
7:32 PM
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Well ther are some people that you find in the world today that are so thick head and stupid, they need to have every little thing laid out for them to be able to understand it.
Then there are people such as youself that know matter how much you try to show them how things work or the truth in it they just can get past their their own stupidity.
These people are the one that the Gov't and bank's and any other group or agency just embrace and feed so that they will stay in that state of child like beleif and that way they can keep steeling or using them.
You are a person so completly viod of all personal thought that anything that come out of you has or is from someone else who just pulls a string and they get the enjoyment of watching you dance anyway they want.
How it must feel to be such a lemming in your day to day walk through life.
Your words only go to show who and what your are and when spoken out as loud as you do leave you at a lose to hear them yourself.
For example:
Your own words that discribe who you think it is to be the owner of a company or the boss. These only give away the fact that you have know working knowledge of what it takes to have that title. You are so blinded by your lust and more so lasy ass wants of something that just dos'nt exsist. Only in the minds of someone that look out and only see or can only understand the limited view the get of what it take to reach that and keep it running .As the picture you paint of the boss who you think because he has come in to work at 10:am and leaves at 2:pm has you to think he has the easy job and comes and go without anything to do but drink coffee and talk shop in till he gets tired and leaves to some other restfull arena. When in fact anyone who has work their way up to that title will tell you that being the owner/boss is more work then three of the worker such as your self and that would be more likly an under est. in your case judging by the things I have heard from you here.
Then there is this crap you hand off ass something of truth when it is only your OP. Get a grip man and fuck off your so syupid that it make me sad to think there in a whole country of persons just like you that have nothing but time to keep the flood gates spilling over with all the get feed so anyone like Kurt or Scott and others that have the mind to seee through the all of the wrongs that are steeling from them have to become fish just to make some forward movment to right it.
I see you posted know reply but that as you always do. That being the stupid one liners that have know real answer only sidestepping distraction in them.
Why is that Tin Cup? How come you can't or won't just answer or reply to the topic?
Why is it that when you raise the issiue and someone replies you have only comments that are nothing to do with the debate? This being even the debates you start.
You have pretty much said all that is needed after reading you crap for all this time it is very dlaer you are nothing more that a stupid person that is unable to understand anything of any real truth, If your being paid (and I don't think you are ) them that makes you even more stupid then most for who you act here is nothing less than complet and utter bullshit you hav'nt post one dam thing the whloe time you have been here that one would say has some kind of substance it has all been crap like your responce to my last post where instead of maybe looking at the fact that you have know understanding of being a boss of a company and saying so or giving some kind fact that showw you to be someone with some exp. in the area, you respond with
"It's funny I write 10 words and khoffy types his finger off in reply" (not word for word if needed see up top) just wanted to put that in because you would more than likly reply with the fact that it was'nt a direct quote and never respond to the real question that have been put to you.
Your hole time here is that of some who dose nothing more than answer a question with a question or some other form of diverion. The only times I have seen anything close to you being forthright in some debate it has turned out that the what you were backing it up with was nothing true and just your made up dream lik ethinking as in being the boss is and yet you still posted them with knowing hey could be found a lie , now hoow dumb do you have to be to do that by your own hand to give something that shows you to be a lier.
know need to answer that I think it stands on its own without rebute.
You laugh it up funny man your nothing more than the product of the over feed lies that has watched one to many reality show and thinks that now all that is told him on that box is real and everything else is not.
So let's see what you come back for this, mt bet is nothing of anything as per your normal and will just about rap up the Tin CUp disrupter that you are and the waste of time you are I think has been already proven.
The floor is your's ! Got anything real that is on topic to say or are you as I have said?
GR82BMOI said...
Kafoolya: The depth of your illiteracy is truly and utterly astonishing. Wow.
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And this coing from someone who could'nt figure out what SOP ment by their post on Don Imus.
OK sure whatever! I value your OP soooo much oh please stop with the big words your making me feel bad! Yep you have so much power over me I don't know what I'lll ever do if you don't like what I say.
How about this?
Fuck off your nothing more than another waste of space sucking up all the good air. You would more than likly hurt yourself if you ever did have a thought of your own ar could figure out that your getting screwed by the veryone you protect.
They say after so much time that a captive starts to think his capture to be someone who is there to help and protect him and will defend them as such.
The lemming are march two by two
The lemings are marching 2 by 2 Oh won't you join them and then there will be the lemming s come marching 3 by 3 the lemmings ....
se if you can count on that one pal!
what abbunch of do nothing ass wipes all you neysayers are what have you done hat you can say is worth shit to better the state of this country or fight off that witch would take from some hard working poeple.
as the foreclosure s line em up 200 homes all in a row in Ohio fall to Chase and know signs of slowing as the banks sweep the country gathering up the properties and getting them ready for round 23 of the you don't really own shit game and con of the stupified americans who don't even know what is the real story when it comes to the very thing they hold so dear and feed their money to the banks save but the banks have know problem taking it intill there is know mor then on wardd .
You might want to think about this before you start running that mouth on haw good the banks are or how the Gov't is there tohelp you and if they could they would have laws that were working for you better butit's just a very complicated issuie to deal with and have it so it's fair for all ..
Ya right I don't think s
I don't by it haw is it that the Gov't and all that we have in it with it special committes on banking and houseing and all the rest of the money suching worthless lawmakers and such
how is it they can't see what he real deal is when the brokers and bakers are out here for at a min. the last 5 years just raping and piliaging the poeple with one after another bad loan or how the way that it is structored in th elawless set up now that these two are let to have back room buddy buddy coe and handshacks that are nothing more usfull then the needed tools to keep their customers from seeing they are riping them off?
How is it a student of 22 in chiico state UC who parties his ass offand when in rome who at one of the top party schools in the country and should be that last place you would find someone that hasd more real truth about the banking and money system of this country rthen most twice his age ?
how is that ?
I will say more should go to that UC if that is the product as I ran into this kid working at a storage yard for shipping and we happened upon this toipc as I try and do as offen as I can to get the idea out and see how many are in the blind about it. I found in the short time this guy to be of one tha had a real goo dgrip on the goings on of just how this country was and just ho the gov't and the fed res was. gave some hope tha maybe we might just have a chance to over come the TInCUPs of the country and take bacck that witch is ours . now with that sauid
Think about this
you county tax bill ha tow partto it on ethatsaid land value and then an amount to the right then there is a second one thatr reads improvments and the sanm ther is an amount to the right and this along with the other assesment mak upo you tax where I live anyway
given any thought to why the need for the two different break downs ?
I tell you this well you think it's not because of one being taxed at a different rate if your of that mind in thinking . If you think me wrong about that break out that calc. do the math it will be the same 1% rate on both and then the other 1/2% will be made up in the different levies and bonds and asse. as it all comes down to 1-1/2 % total so why the 2 sep. on th bill for lane and prop.?
think about that
Think again lemmings about this
Why would there be a need to have the different araes on you tax bill and thn think about how you pay tax and how the bank if so pron to foreclose will not be able to side step or pass offfthe tax if not paid by you on as so much other debt is they will pay that amout to the county no matter what if tey want that lein off if the taxes were'nt paid by you before hane and why wouldthey if you were not paying you mortgage right.
so e put the land as being owned by the state or county and haveing first place rights
then the improvments on that land have the next .
You see the county don't care if you don't lik ethe rule or something about how they want you to act in regard to you property if you want pick that house up and move it you will still pay the tax for the land but they wont tell you what to dio with that house anymore.
THE BIG PICTURE MADE TO LOOK SMALL SO YOU DON'T SEE THE REAL DEAL AND THEN MAYBE NOT WANT TO BE PART OF THE OWNERSHIP IN SUCH THAT WA.
The land is somehing you RENT from the county or state and you will always do so if not they will after time take it from you and if you would like to leave the house on it when they do they will take it to but here is a good one lets say it gets to that point one day and they come to take you land for not poaying your taxes and when the show up they findthe land but know house on it what do you think they might say ?
Oh sure they might bitch but under the law thety can't say a dam thing if you moved it ( that not being easy too do and not without permits in most cases god luck not haveing them know it happened )
but that show's one thing YOU DON"T OWN THE LAND YOU RENT IT.
NOW LETS LOOK AT THE EVER INCRECING MORTGAGE ON YOUR HOME
A home in todays market is given a time for witch it is see as have good use full life around 100 years in most cases as that goes by it lessens the value on your home age and all. now if you wereto look at that home and how much money it can make you as a banke fro the start of it and as it gets paid for till the 100 years has past and lets say with litle or no rhab to it
When the loan for one is paid the is very little that the bank make anymore from what theyy see only as anumber some where on a chart as with all
let say your 768 you have paid your mortgage off and now the only thing left to pay is that tax bill every years with out fail.
if I were the bank I would be of the thinking that I neded to get that place back to a level of 8-10% of money comeing to me in % interst or it is as we say in businesss a lost leader and so I would have to spend soem kind of effort to get that back up a few ways to do this are
1 i could market you so heavy that yopu could get some money to get all of those things you ned and don't need but want because the guy down the street has soem. till you give in and get a new mortgage and start bring in that interest again or then there is
2. Say the house is not worth have ing what s the best way to have in give me the most moiney ?
riht to have a new home or at best get someone new in that old home that is paying me at the today market reat instead of nothing at all or so small amout fron a EQ loan of 100K
lets see is there any moyive to do thing that are not uin your best interest that get ma as the bank most of your money in the formof interest there by keeping you paying whay equils RENT for that home on the land
so add them up folk and see what it cost you to pay rent and also what a deal you pay the tax and all the up keep for it as well with what being the end to it ever
younever do come to and end well when you die but most think they are passing on this great gift they paid of the hous ewith years of hard work and now onvce gone they were able to help and give it to the child but wait is this something that tehy own or is it still just some thing they rented end now have kind past like soem one in NYNY would a apt that has a great rent comtrol.
sure the facts are there you go look for your self if that is something you can stuill dio without some one telling you how it is and not telling you the real story
you pay taxes for things you use I have knoe problem with that street light spolice all cost money but let bse real about the homw and what it has become and whatthis country intended it to be .
The bank to it over slowly you think I think they got it done in record time from 1933 till today they have move very swift and out of thing they set up look they made the fed res to fix a problem one of witch is only become different but the sam core remains
WE as A PEOPLE AND COUNTRY ARE SO STUPID AND MANG OUR MONEY LIKE A BUNCH KIDS AT A CANDY STROE THAT WE PUT ARE SELFS IN THESE PLCES OF TROUBLE AND BRING THE COUNTRY TO THE BRINK OF COLLAPES AS IS THE CASE COMINGUP REAL SOON YOU JUST SIT THERE AND WATCH THAT REALITY T.V. AND WAIT SOON YOU REAL WORLD WILL BE AT THE DOOR AND YOUCAN TEN SAY BOT THAT WAS FAST I HAD KNOEW IDEA ALAYS THOUGHT I WOULD BE LONG GONE BEFORE ANYTHING LIKE THIS HAPPENED JUST WAIT .;
EVERYONE SITS THERE SO DUMBED UP THAT THEY THINK THAT EVEN WHEN THERE IS SIGNS THAT POINT TO SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO IMPACT US A LOT THAT IT WON'T BE THEM THAT FEEL IT OR THAT THE GOV'T WON'T LET IT GET THAT BAD
They won't WHAT! come on people these are the same one who let banking do what ever they want who havce put specila interst before the basuce of what made thios country waht it is these are the same who run around and the world making freinds everywhere they go we have the same bunch of people running this countryas we do sitting right here.
So if that don't scare you I don't know what will
what can be done about it you might ask ?
well let me say this
I DON'T KNOW ! HOW STHAT NOW ARE YOU HAPPY I SAID THAT MOST ARE WHO KNOWS ABOUT THAT TO BUT I DO KNOW THIS
IF YOU SIT ON YOUR ASS AND MAKE KNOW EFFOERT WHAT SO EVER TO TRY AND LEARN AND DO SOMETHING IT WILL FOR SURE NEVER CHANGE
IF YOU SIT THERE AND WORRY SO MUCH ABOUT BEING THE NEXT GUY THAT THEY GET MADE AT FOR STANDING UP ANDF THEN CAUSE YOU TRUOBLE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TIOME TO DEAL WITH NOW IT WILL NEVER CHANGE IF YOU LET THE ONES WHO ARETTAKING BECAUSE THEY KNOWENOUGHH THAT THEIR GOING TO GET THEIR S WELL THEY CAN AND THE HELL WITH THREST OF YOU GO ON DO THIS WITHOUT ANY KIND OF EFFORT TO STOP IT IT WILL FOR SURE BE HELL AND IF YOU THINK THAT YOUR SAFE FROM THE COUNTRY FALLING INTO WHAT COULD BE THE WORST THING OF MONEY LACK TROUBLE EVER SEN YOU BETTER WAKE UP AND DO SOMETHING BECAUSE IT CAN AND IS ON ITS WAY WEATHER YOU WANT TO CLOSE YOUR EYES AND WISH YOU ASS BACK TO KANSAS OR NOT.
BY THE WAY KANSAS IS GIVING AWAY LAND JUST TO GET PEOPLE TIO MOVE THERE AND STAY AND STRT SOMETHING FOR THE LARGE EXIT OF THE YOUNG FROM THERE IS LEVEING IT TO GO WHO KNOWS THE NEXT HOST TOWN OR IS THAT SOMETHING YOU DON'T THINK CAN HAPPEN .
i DON'T SEE THE GOV'T STEPPING UP TO SAVE THEM THEY HAVE TO DO WHAT THEY CANFOR THEM SELFS THE GIOV'T DON'T GIVE A SHIT JUST LIKE YOU HAVCE'NT HEARD DICK ABOUT THE REBUILD OF NEW ORLEANS AND HOW THATASSHOLE UP IN THE WHITEHOSE IS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE BAD TAST IT HAS FRO HIM THEN MAKING IT RIGHT AND THE OTHER THING KNOW ONE OIOIS TALKING ABOUT AND THAT BEING HOW WE WERE NOT ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT NEED WHEN IT HAPPENED WE HAD TO CAKK IN PRIVET MAN POWER TO POLICE IT AND ASK FOR HELP FRIOM WORLD SUPPIES TO BRINGIN EVEN WATER TRUCK AND FOOD NOW THAT IS THE FACTS AND THERE THERE TO SEE NO SUGER COATOING THEY ARE STILL IN A MESS AND THERE WAS ABIG PROBLEM BEING ABLE TO HELP ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE WHEN THIS HAPPEN FOR MANY THIONG TROOPSPREED TO THIN NO MONEY LACK OF LEADER SHIP AND CARE TODO SO.
ALL SPELL OUT A COUNTRY THAT HAS NO MONEY AND IS UNDER THE PREPERD LINE TO WITHSTAND ANYTHING OF A GREAT HIT
ALL WITH THE NEW REPORT THAT THE G WARMING TREN DUE TO GREEN HOUSE GAS AND EM IS MOVEING FASTER THAN THEY MIGHT HAVE THOUGHT AND THE NEXT 20 TEAR i SAID 20 YEAR NOT 20 000 OR 200 20 THEY HAVE COME BACK WITH THEDATA THAT SAID IF MAJOR CHANGE IS MADE THE IS SYILL THE MELTING THAT WILL COME WITH ONLY 2 dEG INCEASE AND THAT WILL EFFECT THE WATER SUPPLY IN A NEG AND IN LACKING NO INCREASING AS SOME MIGHT THINK MELT MORE WATER MNOPE TRY
WHT USE TO BE 12 DAYS OF OVER 100DEG IN LA WILL NOW BE BY 2020 OVER 100 DAYS AT THE SAME WHATTHAT WILL DO IS PLENTY BUT HEYT JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT FOR ALL OF YOU LARD ASSES WHO LIKE TO POST AS SOME ONE OF ANYTHING WORTH MORE THEN SOIULNGREEN SHOULD BE TAKING NPOOTES FOR .
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AND WITH THAT SAID UNLESS I SEE THAT THE ONE LIKE TIN COPPY HAVE THING TO SAY THAT IS REAL AND SUCH I WILL ONLY HAVE ONE WAY TO TAKE IT AND THAT IS THEY HAVE KNOW INTENTION OF EVER GIVING SOME REAL THOUGHT TO THE THINGS THAT ARE OFFERD UP HERE AS REAL DEBATEABLE TOPICS AND THAT THEY ARE NOTHING MORE A WASTE OF SPACE AND TIME BEING ONES OF THE NATURE THAT ARE SUCKING THE LIFE OUT OF THIS COUNTRY AND OR DO NOT HAVETHE BRAINS IN WITCH TO DO SO .
SO KEEP UP WITH THE BULLLSHIT AND I CAN ONLY HOPE YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW FROM IT AS YOUR BEST REWARD YOU HAVE GIVEN NOTHING TO BETTER MANKIND FROM WHAT I SEE HERE AND OFFER NOTHING IN ALL OTHER AREAS OF YOUR LIFE WOULD'NT BE A BIG LEAP TO THINK BECAUSE OF IT.
HOW ABOUT THIS i DON'T THINK THAT tIN cOP COULD POST ONE THING FROM ALL OF THE POST YOU HAVE PUT HERE IN THE TWO PAST TWO YEAR THAT WOULD SHOW ONE THING THTA WAS IN LINE WITH ANY OFFER OF IDEA OR HELP OR DIRECTION TO GET SUCH EVEN GO AS FARAS TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE POSTED NOTING BUT THE SAME LINES JUST WRITEN IN DIFFERENT WAYS ALL SAYING THE SAME USLESS NOTHING ALL WITHOUT ANYTHING IN THEM TO SHOW ONE THING OF A PERSON THAT HAS A MIND OF HIS OWN IN WITCH TO THINK THINGS THROUGH .
jUST ONE POST ONE THAT SHOW I'M WRONG ABOUT THAT I DON'T THINK THERE IS ONE.
YOUR A WASTE OF AIR TO SAY THE VERY LEAST. AND ABOUT THE BEST THING I COULD SAY ABOUT A PERSON LIKE YOU.
EVERTIME ONE SHOWS YOU TO BE WRONG OR FIND SOMETHING YOU SAY NOT TO BE IN LINE WITH THE TRUTH OR JUST THINKING OF ANYTHING REAL HEART ALL YOU EVER DO IS POST BS OR SOME THING IN RESPONCE TAH HAS NOTHING WHAT SO EVER TODO WITH WHAT SOME ONE JUST ASKED YOU.
NOW COME ON DON'T DISAPOINT AND POST BACK ONE OF THOSE BIGGIES YOUR SO GOOD AT LIKE:
BOY I NED TO SPEIL BETRE OR LOKK HOOOOOW LOOOONG THAT POST WAS OR THE MANY FROM THAT LIST IN FRONT OF YOU THAT TELLS YOU HOW TO DO IT. YOU KNOW HOW TO NEVER INGAUGE THE REAL TOPIC JUST KEEP PEOPLE BUSY WITH BULLSHIT.
sOUNDS JUST LIKE THAT GOOD OLD BANKERS MANOFESTO THAT READ FOR THEM TO SEND THERE BEST MEN TO MAKE SURE THAT THE REP AND THE DEM KEEP THEIR MINDS ON SOMETHING THAT DON'T WORRY THE BANK SO THEY DON'T HAVE TIME TO SEE THE REAL DEAL OF GOINS ON THE ANKS WERE NA DARE DOING DON'T IT.
JUST KEEP FEEDING THE FIRE BUT DON'T LET IT GET OUT OF HAND RIGHT tIN cOpppY?
ALL SO SIMPLE OF A THING TO DO HEN YOU HAVE THE MIND TO YOU KNOW KEEP PEOPLE OFF THE REAL GOAL SO THAT THEY NEVER GET TO THE END AND GIVE UP OUT OF THE MANY THING THAT TIRE THEM LIKE YOU.
TWO YEARS AND NOT ONE THING THAT CAN BE SEEN AS A REAL DEBATE BETWEEN ANYONE JUST BULLSHIT TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM FORMING INTO A GROUP OF SIZE THAT MIGHT GET BACK TO THEWORK THAT WAS STARTED IN THIS NOPW THEY WOULD'NT DO SOMETHING LIK ETHAT NOW WOULD THEY ?
YA RIGHT SURE THEY WOULN'NT THAT MIGHT BE TO EASY TO DO FOR THEM
wHY WAS IT AGAIN THAT THE FEDS WENT AFTER dOREAN AND MADE SUCH A BUNCH OF UN LAWFUL THING TAKE PLACE TO DO IT COULD THAT BE THAT THEY WERE GETTING SO BIG THAT THEY WERE GOING TO MAKE A HIT ON THE BANKS THATTHEY WERE GOING FEEL OR WHY WOULD THEY LOCK THESE GUYS UP LIK ETHEY HAVE IN A WAY AS TO BE SO OFF THE WALLL IN HOW THE RIGHT S OF ANYONE IN THE SAME WOULD BE SCREEMING ABOUT IT NO BAIL TWO YEARS ADDING DEFENDENT TO FED CASES THAT WER ALREADY IN TO THE PROCESS MORE THAN A YEAR AND SAY THAT IT STOPS THE CLOCK OF THEIR RIGHT TO A SPEEDY TRIAL AND ALL THE REST . WHAT KINDA BULSHIT IS THAT AND ALL OF THE REST OF T .. NOW SOME IONE TO SAY THAT THE GUY WERE THE CAUSE OF THE DELAY GO ON THATS IS SO MUCH THE BULLSHIT TO IN FACT IT IS ON THE RECORD FROM THE DEAR JUDGE ALSUP AS STSTING THAT HE WAS STOPPING THE CLOCK TO WAIT FOR THE XTRA OF ONE FROM PANNAMA AND THAT WAS IT NO OTHER RESONE SO TELL ME KNOW ONE EVER HAS COME BACK WITH AN ASWER FOR THAT QUESTION ON THE FACT OF ADDING THE EXRTA PERSONS AND WAIVING THE RIGHT OF THE TWO IN JAIL OVER A YEARS TO BE ADDED TO THIS CASE I KNOW OF NOTHING LIK ETHA AND WOULD LOVE TO SEE ONE TFOR THE RECORD.
ADDING A DEF. TO A FED. CASE THAT WAS ALREADY OVER A YEAR IN THE TIME AND WHO WAS NOT ON THE CHARGES FROM THE START. NEVER AND ALL WELL THE DEF ORG. HAVE NEVER WAIVED TIME TO THEIR RIGHT TO A SPEEDY TRIAL.
THE WORD SAY IT ALL IF IT WAS NOT A BIG RIGHT TO HAVE THE TRIAL IN A SPEEDY DUE PROCESS TIME THEN WHY HAVE THE DAM LAW IN THE FIRST PLACE AND IN FACT IT IS ONE THAT WHEN GIVEN UP IS LIOOKED AT BY THE COURTS AS ONE THAT IS WORTH SOME GIVEN CONCIDERATION BACK TO THE DEF, FOR SO DOING SO TELL ME HOW ALL OF THAT IS ON THE UP AND UP AND SHOW SOME LAW BACKING IT NAND FACTS ANY ONE.
HOW ABOUT THAT MOVING kURT AL AROUND AND BACK NOW IS THERE SOME BIG CHANGE THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE THAT WE DID NOT HEAR THAT HAS MADE IT SO THAT kURT CAN NOW BE HOUSED IN THE CAMP INSTEAD OF COUNTRY JAIL ON A FED CHARG PR HAVE THEY JUST TAKLEN THAT TIME TO MAKE SURE THEY MOVE ALL OF ANY COPY MACH. OUT OF THEREE BECAUSE THERE WAS SUCH A SCAR THAT KURT MIGHT DO SOMETHING LIKE TRY TO USE IT TO MAKE SOME KINDA SHOWING OF THE LIMITED CHOOSES HE HAS AND LET PERSONS KNOW HE IS NOT OF THE MIND TO HAVE SOEM THING WHEN HIS RIGHTS ARE AT STAKE TAKEN LIGHTLY SO IF YOU WANT TO TAKE CONTROL OF SOMEONE AND HIS AFAIRRS BY SRTOPPING HIS MAIL AND INFO SO THAT HE CAN NOT MOUNT A DEFENCE FOR HIOM SELF WITH ANY EASE THEIF IT WERE ME I WOULD HAVE SENTTHE SAME DAM PAPER SAYING THAT PERSON WAS NOW TAKING CHARGE OF ALL MY LEGAL AFAIRS AS WEEL BY HIS OWN DOING . WHY NOT
tHE SIGHT DRAFT WHEN BROUGHT TO LIGHT IS NOTHING MORETHAN ATOOL TO GI WAY TO SHOW THE COURTS FOR THEIR WRONG DOING AND WHAT WAS THE COURTS RESPONCE TO YHIS LITTLE PIECE OF PAPER THAT THEY IF IT WAS WORTHLESS JUST HAVE TROWN AWAY INSTEAD THEY MOVE kURT TO A FUCKED UP PART OF JAIL AND SPLIT THE TWO SO AS TO MAKE IT EVEN HARDER FOR THEM TO CARRY OMN WITH THEIR DEFENCE.
hOW MUCH DOSE ONE PERSON NEED TO SEE THAT THE SYSTEM IS TRYING EVERYTHING THEY ALWAYS DO BUT DON'T HAVE THE LIGHT OF AS MANY PEOPLE WATCHING THEN WHEN THEY DO IT SO THEY HAVE HAD TO TRY AND BE EVEN MORE TRICKY
ALL IN ALL I CAN'T SEE HOW THEY YHIMNK THAT THIS IS ALL GOING UN SEEN BECAUSE IT IS NOT AND THE LAWS THAT THEY ARE TWISTING TO DO THIS ARE NOT THE TIGHT SO MOST OF YOU HAVE NEVER HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE COURTS AND HVE NO MORE IDEA OTHER THEN YOU KNOW YOU WILL GET IN TRUOBLE IF YOU DON'T ANSWER THAT JURY SUMMONS BUT NEVER KNOW WHAT TAKES PLACE IN THOSE OTHER ROOMS WELL IT ANT ALL TH RIGHTOUS THAT FORSURE AND THERE IS A LOT OF LAWS THAT ARE MADE TO BE TWISTED BY JUDGES TO LET THEM GET THE OUT COME THEY WANT. IT IS NOT LIKE THE MOVIES BUT DAM CLOSE IN SOME CASES.
THER IS PLENTY TO SHOW THE FEDS ARE STALLING TO GET SMOE OF THE LAGER NUMBERS THAT WERE AT THE START OF THIS TO GO DOWN AND THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE ON HERE FOR NOTHING MORE THAN TO HELP WITHJ THA AS i SAID BEFORE IT'S NOT NEW WHAT THEIR DIOING IT MAY HAVE SOME NEW TOLS TO DOING IT BUT AT THE CORE IT THE SAME
FOR LOONG TIME THEY HAVE DONE THIS AS NEEDED .
yOU DON'T THINK IM RIGHT THN SCROLL TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS MAIN PAGE AND TELL ME WHAT THAT LITTLE NUMBER ON THE COUNTER IS FOR HOW MANY HIOTS THIS SIYE HAS HAD AND THEN TELL ME THAT THE DOREAN GROUP WASTENT ROLL ACROSS THIS COUNRTY ABOUT TO RACK HAVICK ON THE BANKING SYSTEM WHENT THE FEDS GAT A CALLL AND HAD TO STOP THEM IF YOU CAN SEE THESE THINGS THEN YOU ARE TRULY DUMB AS A TACK OR A PERSONN WITH THE MIND TRO HELP THE GOV'T DO THEIR WORK
LETS SEE HAS THE FED'S EVER MADE A DEAL WITH ONE WHO THE HVE IN JAIL OR HAVE TOLD IF THE DON'T HELP THEM THEY WILLMAKE THEIR LIVES HELL AND THERE BY MADE THAT PERSON SO AFRAD OF WHAT THEY SAY WILL HAPPEN THAT THIS PERSON WOULD BE WILLING TO SPOEND THERE TIME ON HERE CAUSEING TRUOBLE OR GIVE UP SOEMEOTHER DRUG DEALER IN AN EXAMPLE OH KNOW THEY WOULD NEVER DO THAT THEIR TO GOOD FOR THAT THEY HAVE TO GOOOD OF A CVSE AND DON'T NEED TO THAT
TAKE YOU SUNGLASSES OFF FOR A SECOND SO YOU CAN SEE IN THIS ROOM OF THE GOINGS ON AND YOU CAN'T HELP BUT SEE THERE IS WRONG DOING TOTHESE GUYS AND FOR WHAT THE RISK OF BEINGFOUND OUT .
YOU ALL BETTER WAKE UP .
i JUST WONDER IF A SPENT MORE TIME ON HERE.
Party Secured. Check archives for 2005.
"Scott: its my understanding that these guys are coming in and attacking a fiction."
More like attacking a cartoon.
ROFLMAO
Hey, can y'all keep the posts shorter? My scroller is wearing out.
SSDD
TTFN
NEMO: Your Maker is speaking to you & your ilk:
"Wo unto them that turn aside THE JUST for a thing of naught, and REVILE against that which is good, and SAY THAT IS OF NO WORTH! For the day shall come that the Lord God will speedily visit the inhabitants of the earth; and in that day that they are fully ripe in iniquity they shall perish."
Just think in another 8 years, you can file bankruptcy yet AGAIN. That's about exciting as your life gets.
I think what is comical is the judicial system and all of the mistakes they have made to date in regards to the Dorean Group saga, by fallen into the traps that have already been laid. It's like the Keystone cops trying to get the bad guys & bringing them to justice and only end up falling on their faces being the clowns they are.
Two stories:
http://www.nbc6.net/
nbc6investigates/4234457/
detail.html
This is more recent:
http://www.southcoasttoday.com/
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Here's a newspaper article that supposedly is written in the future, judging by the date. LOL
Gosh, do you think you can believe everything you read?
This article says that the FBI ongoing investigation encompasses 35 States, but another newspaper article I read, listed the States in the FBI investigation & it only included 34 States. Can't they even get the number correct? Maybe the FBI doesn't even know what they are investigation? You think?
I like the part of the trustee assignment being given to a Dorean employee?????? The prosecution team seems to know this, but doesn't name the dorean employee? Do you believe that too? And why isn't the employee charged with conspiracy too or in the very least "contempt of court"?
http://lawfuel.com/show-release.asp?ID=5378
moogie yammers:
""Wo unto them that turn aside THE", blah, blah, blah.
Golly, thanks for sharing your Mormon heresy with me, moogster.
False prophets seem to be a big attraction for you.
Come back and gloat if your boys ever get this straight. eh?
TTFN
P.S. - There is still time for you to repent, accept the gift of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ and be truly saved, Byron.
Good advice & information & the promise they will get things done:
http://www.bringemon.org/cgi-bin/bringemon.cgi?noframes;read=1556
Nemo: Stoning the true prophets or messengers, seems to be an attraction to you.
And you are so much better because........ you think you are saved from all displeasure of God by a mere act of confession or acceptance that takes a minute of acknowledgement & a rest of a lifetime to disregard? May I remind you "that every knee shall bow & every tongue shall confess that Jesus is the Christ", so by your heresy EVERYONE HAS NO SPIRITUAL RISK, so get over yourself. That includes especially you & all of you "holier than thou Christians".
Oh by the way, maybe you should learn of someone's faith before you attack it with ignorance as you do and call it "heresy". You don't know enough about the religious doctrine to form even an intelligent opionion even.
Maybe you should read the 1st 3 articles of faith and especially the 1st article of faith written by Joseph Smith or what we believe. Also, we don't "deny the gift" as you repeatedly STILL don't get it. Then you wouldn't write such stupid assumptions about me in a post script. Your ignorance is getting quite boring to me since we've had this discussion before.
Lastly, please don't call a book heresy when you haven't even read it. Course that would be consistent with how you form your opinions, from a standpoint of ignorance.
So sad to see so many so lost.
Romans 14:
10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
12So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Since you are not my brother, I'll make no apology for perceived judgment.
The Jesus of the LDS is not the Jesus of Holy Scripture. You choose to blaspheme Him as a creation - a half-brother of Lucifer.
John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
15John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
16And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
18No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
19And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?
20And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.
21And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
22Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?
23He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.
24And they which were sent were of the Pharisees.
25And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?
26John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;
27He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose.
28These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing.
29The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
30This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
31And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
32And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
33And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
34And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
35Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;
36And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!
37And the two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus.
38Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou?
39He saith unto them, Come and see. They came and saw where he dwelt, and abode with him that day: for it was about the tenth hour.
40One of the two which heard John speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother.
41He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.
42And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.
43The day following Jesus would go forth into Galilee, and findeth Philip, and saith unto him, Follow me.
44Now Philip was of Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter.
45Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.
46And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see.
47Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!
48Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee.
49Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
50Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.
51And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.
Your heresy is not of God, but straight from the heart of Lucifer. You are Satan's toy and tool, leading folks to Hell and destruction. You teach of becoming gods through works.
There is ONE GOD and you will never be HIM.
In this you are right - EVERY KNEE SHALL BEND.
Satan is no "half brother". Sure he was "disowned", but that doesn't change his genetics. He is a spirit brother the same as you or me. He was the "Angel of the Light" & was cast out of Heaven, where the whole family of the whole earth was there too. See Job 38: 1-9
where we all were there IN THE BEGINNING WITH JESUS too when we all witnessed the creation of the earth in the beginning. SEE VERSE 7.
Why are there 2 creations mentioned in the book of Genesis? You think that was a mistake? When you talk of the beginning, which beginning are you referring to? The Spiritual creation beginning, or the physical creation beginning like of the earth & people dwelling on the earth? That makes a huge difference in understanding which beginning you are talking about.
Does that make all the sons of God also Gods by your own logic since they were also IN THE BEGINNING with Jesus according to the Book of Job & hence by your logic couldn't be creations either.
1 jOHN 5: 7
There are three Gods that bear witness in Heaven. The oneness can only be oneness of purpose and truth, not oneness of bodily form for when Stephen was stoned he looked up into heaven & saw Jesus sitting on the right hand of God.
Nemo said: "In this you are right - EVERY KNEE SHALL BEND."
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Then we agree after all. All will be saved then & no one is spiritually lost, because ALL WILL CONFESS THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST & BEND ACCORDINGLY, & acknowledge this gift, except the sons of perdition, not even suggesting that you would ever qualify for such a fate because to do so, you must first be fully & entirely enlightened and then entirely turn away, which doesn't appear to be the case.
Have you done something different than those that are supposedly lost & thus deserve different acclamation then & does your statement that so many are lost make any sense then? "Even the devils acknowledge and believe in Christ in that they recognize his authority and tremble & obey him if commanded? Are they saved too & how are they lost in your context of salvation?
Yet at the same time, you put down the necessity of good works as having no part in the gospel or any correlation to salvation. You truly are a contradiction.
I think you don't know what you believe because you accept some scripture & deny others to your own confusion and ignorance.
One part says: "he that believeth shall be saved".
Another part says, "He that believeth & repenteth of his sins shall be saved."
Another part talks about the necessity of receiving the Spririt or being born of the water and of the Spirit for salvation.
Another part says: "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved."
Another part says: "He that believeth and confesseth with his lips that Jesus is the Christ shall be saved."
Another part says: "He that believeth & ENDURETH to the end shall be saved." Yet don't most Christians supposedly KNOW THAT THEY ARE SAVED & BRAG ABOUT IT, EVEN BEFORE THEY HAVE ENDURED TO THE END? Strange indeed.
Well let's see, Is baptism a work or some sort of performance? Is repentence a work too, or just a mere suggestion totally unrelated to salvation?
Of course it can't be since works are condemned in the grace & gift of Christ according to the gospel of Nemo, right?
Let's see, my name is Nemo, and I'll decide which part of God's word I'll accept and which part I'll throw away & totally disregard. What I decide is truth and those that believe differently are lost forever and need to repent. That's all I have to say.
By Steve Urbon
Standard-Times senior correspondent
March 25, 2007 6:00 AM
NEW BEDFORD — On the face of it, there was nothing too unusual about the foreclosure auction conducted on a dismal morning last week in front of 159 North St. in a neighborhood a little down on its luck.
With well-dressed people reading proclamations aloud and waiting for bidders to declare themselves, the scene mirrored countless others across the country. Borrowers in a once-booming housing market suddenly find it impossible to keep up with the payments. Financing deals that once seemed sweet become sour when interest increass on adjustable mortgages drive payments through the roof.
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Region's foreclosures skyrocket But behind this one particular house is a tale of a scam, a swindle, one of the biggest and most ambitious that federal prosecutors say they've ever cracked. It's a scheme to defraud banks and more than a thousand homeowners that has landed two California men in federal prison, where they could spend the rest of their lives.
It's also a cautionary tale of what can happen when one who is swimming in debt goes looking for a way out of it and instead gets snared in the tentacles of smooth-talking hucksters.
It's tantalizingly called "mortgage elimination," a crackpot monetary theory that contends that mortgages aren't legally enforceable. Its slick practitioners rely on naive and gullible mortgage holders to buy into a racket that could ruin them financially in a matter of months. One might read about it on a breathless Internet site, or hear about it from a telephone call from a salesman, or even from a friend who has bought into it.
In a nutshell, the idea is that by filing some clever paperwork filled with legal mumbo-jumbo, the scammers could — for a modest fee, of course — leave a home buyer free and clear of monthly payments forever.
They even conducted seminars to tell eager potential victims about the opportunity, with special thanks to Christ Jesus, according to a local man who attended one session and left full of doubt and suspicion.
The FBI estimates that in 2005, 20,000 such frauds were reported, while perhaps twice as many more were simply swallowed by the banks, which took their losses, dusted off and moved on.
In the case of the modest, two-story house in this city's West End, the telltale clue is a pair of names on the documents filed in the Bristol County Registry of Deeds: D. Scott Heineman and Kurt F. Johnson, Trustees of the Emmons Family Trust.
A quick Internet search quickly bursts the dam on a river of fraud that the two men, using a fictitious business called the Dorean Group, are accused of perpetrating across the land before their indictment and arrest in September 2005. Their trial is imminent on 46 counts of conspiracy bank fraud, mail fraud and contempt of court. But the damage they left behind is still accumulating.
The owner of 159 North St. before auction day was Roxann M. Emmons, who last year moved to Georgia. She did not return calls seeking comment for this story.
But the documents on file at the Registry of Deeds tell the tale. And it goes like this:
After paying Mr. Heineman and Mr. Johnson a fee, typically $1,500 to $5,000, a homeowner signs a document to transfer control of his or her property to a trust, whose sole trustees are the two men.
The new trustees then write a letter in legalese to the mortgage lender, challenging the validity of the mortgage ($180,000 in this case). The letter demands legal justification along with a complete set of books for auditing, and declares that if everything isn't proven to the "unilateral satisfaction of the Dorean Group" within 10 days, then the lender forfeits all legal claims to the property and transfers power of attorney to Mr. Heineman and Mr. Johnson. The letter of demand is notarized and filed, along with a "notice of intent to correct title," with the local register of deeds
Next, based on those bogus documents, the trustees file another document with the registry, a "discharge of mortgage" claim, in which the homeowner, in this case Ms. Emmons, declares that her debt has been cleared and that there is no longer a mortgage on the property.
With just a few strokes of the pen, the mortgage is "eliminated."
According to the Dorean Group's theory, Ms. Emmons no longer has any more mortgage payments to make. It will be a while before her lender — or any lender — exhausts all legal remedies and forecloses on the property, which they eventually will because the bogus filings have no legal force.
Meanwhile, according to the federal prosecutors, what typically happens next is that the Dorean Group, not content with simply the fee, will use the newly cleared title of the property to refinance with another big mortgage loan, a cash-out of the equity, which they then split with the momentarily happy homeowner and maybe a broker/agent involved in reeling in the "client." (The feds claim that the Dorean partners quickly moved their swag to an offshore account in the former Soviet state of Latvia.)
When the day of reckoning finally arrives, the "mark" will wind up as much as $5,000 lighter in cash, along with owing one, two or even three or more mortgages, since each subsequent mortgage also can be "eliminated" before somebody catches on. The cash he has in hand won't cover more than a small fraction of the total owed.
Why didn't someone catch on at the Bristol County Registry of Deeds to what was going on at 159 North St.?
"We'd never get anything done" if required to review the legality of everything that is filed, Register of Deeds J. Mark Treadup told The Standard-Times. The system is simply not set up for much beyond the endless business of recording documents, he said, and only an obvious problem might be caught in the absence of the rare court order. Only once in seven years has the registry been instructed by a judge to refuse to record documents on a piece of property, Mr. Treadup said.
California U.S. Attorney Kevin Ryan told the San Francisco Chronicle in 2005, when the two alleged scammers were indicted, that the whole scheme depended on such vulnerabilities in the system: the willingness of county registries across America to record a new deed without checking or a lender's inability to respond to an impossible request within 10 days. The fact that the Dorean Group operated for two years before a South Carolina bank blew the whistle and alerted the FBI "points out maybe some of the weaknesses in our system," Mr. Ryan told the newspaper.
The Dorean Group also preys on the weaknesses of property owners who may have little or no legal knowledge.
Hector Mejia, who owns a house in the North End, knows about that. Now retired, he once heard from a friend at work about this amazing opportunity to wipe out mortgage debt. So he signed up in good faith, wound up paying $5,000 out of his pocket and was lucky that the scheme was interrupted by the federal indictment of the two schemers.
"Everybody took the money and disappeared," he said.
Today Mr. Mejia, who immigrated from Ecuador 35 years ago, freely admits that he was taken in by the scam until his wife blew the whistle. "Yeah, I'm lucky. My wife told me, 'Don't do this,'" he said.
Yet even though the scam never had the chance to play itself out in his case, Mr. Mejia said that dissolving the trusteeship he had signed with the Dorean Group proved to be a real hassle — right down to getting the signatures of Mr. Heineman and Mr. Johnson. "I had to send some papers to the jail so they could authorize it and send them back," he said.
Peter Abele of Taunton confirmed that he is the former co-worker of Mr. Mejia whose momentary enthusiasm for the "mortgage elimination" idea was contagious.
"I basically feel like an idiot" for falling for it even for a brief time, Mr. Abele said.
He said he traveled at his own expense to South Carolina to attend a seminar where Mr. Heineman also made an appearance.
"The trouble is that too much of the information they put out is apparently worded in such a way that it sounds legal, but apparently it's not," he said.
Mr. Abele said he first learned about the scheme from a telephone solicitor. "I was at the point where I'd have my mortgage paid off. I was going to retire, and with this, I'd have all that taken care of," he said.
Instead, he heard a lot of hype but not good answers to hard questions, such as "How can you pay off 90 percent of a mortgage with 10 percent of the money?"
That brought such responses as, "We really can't promise you at this point; it would be disclosing too much information," Mr. Abele said.
"Then they started accusing people in the group of disclosing secrets to outside people. Then Jesus became a big player and everything. I'm not anti-Christ, but you can't tell me God is out there helping people lose their mortgages."
Yet he initially signed up, too, before realizing that simply doing so would probably violate the terms of his mortgage and could be grounds for foreclosure all by itself. "I got out with the help of a lawyer. I didn't want to awaken a sleeping giant. And I helped Hec get out of it, too," he said.
Mr. Treadup observed that it all boils down to the old expression that if something seems too good to be true, it probably is.
To which Mr. Abele added that financial schemes deserve a good dose of skepticism and hard questions, such as the one he asked Mr. Heineman: "Unless I get a letter from the bank telling me this, how can I believe you?"
"He said, 'We have the authority.' And once you get to that point, you know something's wrong," he said.
"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."
Nemo, Please don't post proclaiming to be a Christian. Someone like you who beat his wife and filed "BANKRUPTCY" has no business proclaiming that.
No wonder your wife Divorced you.
2cons4life, Have they been found guilty?
Mr. Abele said: "How can you pay off 90 percent of a mortgage with 10 percent of the money?"
That brought such responses as, "We really can't promise you at this point; it would be disclosing too much information," Mr. Abele said.
"Then they started accusing people in the group of disclosing secrets to outside people. Then Jesus became a big player and everything. I'm not anti-Christ, but you can't tell me God is out there helping people lose their mortgages."
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For someone that attended a conference, it is obvious he wasn't listening & didn't learn a thing. To his first question, no amount of money is needed to pay off the mortgage. That is not what the Dorean process did. The mortgage was not a valid instrument to begin with since the lender gave no financial consideration; they just used your promissory note to fund your own loan. How any client that entered the process, can't understand that basic fact is simply appalling to me.
Maybe a simple 3-5 question test should have been given to potential clients in the beginning before they were ever even allowed to enter the process & maybe a prerequisite to get all of the answers right. At least that would have given an indication that they understood the basic pretext of what was being accomplished for them & why the mortgage challenge had legal merit. Maybe that would have cut down on alot of the whinning.
Since the mortgage wasn't proven to be a valid recording, by the lenders silence of the presentment, the trustees had perfect legal rights to discharge the obligation being an agent of the lender through the lenders silence and default. THE PRESENTMENT WAS A NEW CONTRACT THAT THE LENDER ACCEPTED. There are laws to back up the trustees actions. Mr. Abele didn't need to get any recognition or agreement from the lender of the newly recorded documents.
"Disclosing too much information" to the client? Wouldn't that be hard to prove that Mr. Abele even learned the basics!!!!
It appears Mr. Abele didn't understand hardly anything. No wonder why he was so apt to get out of the trust arrangement; his only safe haven that would eventually save him & financially compensate him for his plight. Kind of sad, but if you really want to cut off your nose to spite your face, I suppose you have that right too.
Mr. Abele, you're right about one thing though, I must give you credit, God isn't out there helping people lose their mortgages. That is all done by the greedy lenders who violate the law & totally disregard their obligations to follow the law. The mortgage challenge showed that the lenders don't follow the law. If you don't understand that simple fact, you truly are lost.
And clients that didn't follow the policy to continue your payments under protest until they were to the point of collateral estoppel in the very least, or even until there is a written memo sent to all clients in writing to stop monthly payments all together(which hasn't happened to date), need to also take some responsibility for their loss of their home too. Course none of them do this either.
Obviously the slanted reporter doesn't want to fully disclose the full story either. I suppose if you want to tell a partial story, you can get someone to believe anything & create an extreme prejudice.
Initially it was believed that the lenders would follow the law & respect their default & acknowledge that title was taken away lawfully.
The Dorean Group were mistaken about giving the lenders too much credit for being honorable by being forced to rectify their theft by simply walking away from the transaction. The lenders didn't simply walk away & leave the clients alone, probably based upon bad legal advice given to the lenders by their attorneys, but does that make the actions of the lender lawful because they trample over law and your legal rights as a client? Does that make the lenders automatically righteous in their might? Does MIGHT make right?
Is public policy simply legal because it's what the masses just accept without a fight & without an inquisition into truth?
That in essence is what disgruntled clients are concluding after totally giving up. I think alot of clients need to grow up! Getting an education is the first step. Next would be to realize by continued study that the trustees have always hade their best interests at heart, another thing disgrunteld clients can never see because they stopped trying to figure out the full picture. They just gave up too early. Although its sad of their damages, another part of me is angry that their continued choice to stay ignorant is a punishment in and of itself, that maybe in one sense has it's own justifications for misery & damages, since ignorance is a choice too for most people.
Lastly, it's not over until it's over. "I haven't heard the fat lady sing yet." I don't even believe the opera lady can sing.
Here is the LDS viewpoint on the subject of creation & scriptures to back up that viewpoint:
http://www.utlm.org/online
resources/sermons_talks_
interviews/kingfolletsermon.htm
Alex Merklinger is a Affliate Broker with these thieves. He had over 150 victims signed up to rip off with this morgage elimination scam "Dorean Group. Reveiw the transcript Johnson is asking for. Dec 23, 2004 at Mysteriesofthemind.com in the archieves. Merklinger says he is a broker and had 150 victims on the tape, thats over $400,000 what a great Con scam he got away with. Merklinger only give P O Box's for address's and has dogs with him all the time, he thinks someone is always after him, GEE I WONDER WHY. Why wasn't Merklinger charged with these criminals. Merklinger is a Convicted Felon on mail and wire fraud released on 12/18/95 serving 33 months of a 37 month conviction, and he's at it again. He already has on victim under his built now he is after more with the Dorean Group scam.
ROT IN HELL JOHNSON - JESUS don't like you, trust me
CON MAN BUSTER, MY MISSION IS TO PUT ALL YOU CON MEN IN A CELL WERE THE CRIPS AND BLOODS CAN USE YOU FOR SOAP.
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