Monday, July 30, 2007

The Agreement (07-15-07)

Well Neo and I finally have an agreement. Christ is the Mediator. Perhaps this truth can be our bridge. Since you understood that writing it is safe for me to say that came by revelation. Only God can reveal that truth so I am glad to have that witness concerning you. The reverse should be considered from you. I can only write that by revelation. Let me ask you this question. Have your judgments of me been mediated through Christ or by your knowledge of good and evil? If Christ is working in your life to challenge you to obedience is it not safe to assume He is doing the same for me? Do you think Christ would leave me unchecked if I had established the Dorean Group for selfish evil purposes? Does He leave you unmolested by the Holy Spirit when you venture from Him? Is it because I’m suffering you think I have sinned? If that is the case many times the wicked live glorious lives knowing little of suffering until they receive judgment. What if God is not boxed into your knowledge of good and evil? If I was evil as you suppose how did I happen upon the revelation you discovered in Christ? Does He only give revelation to the wicked? If so we are joined in condemnation. If not we are joined in Christ. If I am in Christ as you, are you calling Him a retard not capable of handling His affairs or is your judgment not that of Christ? Let me know and just maybe we can agree on many other things that are true in Christ. God bless you Bruce with greater knowledge for you are blessed already to know what you know.


mogel said...

Maybe Bruce is unable to see the truth because he is asking the wrong questions?

Has Kurt & Scott been passionate about their work & have they fasted & prayed much?

Moroni 7: 6 "For behold, God hath said a man being evil cannot do that which is good; for if he offereth a gift, or prayeth unto God, except he shall do it with REAL INTENT it profiteth him nothing."

Has Kurt & Scott exhibited the faith required to implement the desired results for clients?

Moroni 7: 33

"And Christ hath said, "If ye will have faith in me ye shall have power to do whatsoever thing is expedient in me."

Has Kurt & Scott grudgingly accepted their trusteeship & calling?

Moroni 7: 8
"For behold if a man being evil giveth a gift, he doeth it grudgingly; wherefore it is counted unto him the same as if he had retained the gift; whether he is counted evil before God."

Is Kurt & Scott being evil by their cause & if so, where are the fruits of that? Is Kurt & Scott following Christ?

Moroni 7: 10-11

Wherefore, a man being evil cannot do that which is good; neither will he give a good gift.
For behold, a bitter foundation cannot bring forth good water; neither can a good fountain bring forth bitter water, wherefore, a man being a servant of the devil cannot folow Christ; and if he follows Christ he cannot be a servant of the devil."

Is the Dorean Process essentially good & will it financially free many from financial & unfair bondage that will affect a generation greatly? Is the great backlash against the Dorean Group evidence of Satan's work?

Moroni 7: 12

"Wherefore, all things which are good cometh of God; and that which is evil cometh of the devil; for the devil is an enemy unto God, and fighteth against him continually, and inviteth and enticeth to sin, and to do that which is evil continually."

Is there a conflict between Christ and the Dorean Process? Does the Dorean Process promote goodness, which includes fairness, and full disclosure?

Moroni 7: 16

"For behold, the Spirit of Christ is given to every man, that he may know good from evil; where, I show unto you the way to judge; for every thing which inviteth to do good, and to persuade to believe in Christ, is sent forth by the power and gift of Christ; wherefore ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of God."

Does Kurt & Scott exhibit, faith, hope, charity, and meekness?

Moroni 8: 43-44

"And again, behold, I say unto you that he cannot have faith and hope, save he shall be meek, and lowly of heart.
If so, his faith and hope is vain, for none is acceptable before God, save the meek and the lowly in heart; and if a man be meek and lowly in heart, and confesses by the power of the Holy Ghost that Jesus is the Christ, he must have charity, for if he have not charity he is nothing, wherefore he must needs have charity."

Does Kurt & Scott possess the characteristics of charity, thus enabling themselves to be called the children of Christ & bring good gifts? If they are the children of Christ, can they be evil?

Traits Needed

(1) suffering long
(2) Kindness
(3) No envy
(4) Not proud
(5) Not selfish
(6) Much patience
(7) No evil thinking
(8) Furthers the work of righteousness
(9) Rejoices only in truth
(10) Beareth all difficulties
(11) Believes all good things presented?
(12) Continually Hopes in their victory
(13) Endures all their trials well

Moroni 7: 48

"Wherefore my beloved brethren, pray unto the Father with all the energy of heart, that ye may be filled with this love, WHICH HE HATH BESTOWED UPON ALL WHO ARE TRUE FOLLOWERS OF HIS SON, JESUS CHRIST; that ye may become the sons of God; that when he shall appear we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is; that we may have this hope; that we may be purified, even as he is pure."

neodemes said...

Kurt -

God tries the reins of your heart, not Bruce.

Whether you are sincere in your statements or not, only you and God know.

"Do you think Christ would leave me unchecked if I had established the Dorean Group for selfish evil purposes?"

Perhaps you reside where you do because you have been checked, and perhaps you are to self-absorbed to discern revelation outside of yourself.

I've said it before...time will tell.

God Bless you, too and good luck.

As long as we are having a dialog, Kurt, I'm curious as to your view on the relevance of extra-biblical literature, such as, oh, let me see, the Book of Mormon, for example.

Moogie, thanks for the Moronic quotes.


GYHOOYA said...

why dose it really matter so much weather some one beleives in one faith or another when it comes down to it the simple phrase of treat others as you want to be and give what help you can to someone who's in need should do just fine I would thinkl.

As I have said before I don't see the angel or big benifit in this process for Kurt in a scam sort of way. ther is just to much that would show you that if he was out to scam then he had more then enough time to take the money and the deals being offered before sitting in jail for over two years. and if anyone can't see that then I'm sorry your just a blind fool and will never understand how things work.

thay or your paid somehow by being here causing trouble cause it's just to easy to see the picture here and knowing how the Gov't work it easy to see the hand at it here along with we all know bankers are as pure as the driven snow right so they would never do anything to cause anyone any problems right?

Ya right! bankers nother but snakes the lowest form of person I can think of. even a Used car dealer has their limit's and most would'nt sell their grandma or mother a bad car knowingly , but a banker/broker would'nt pass up a chance to make a buck off them and do it with out ever letting them know he's making it on the side.

The big ????

Why do Brokers and bankers have to have all of the back rook codes and secret bull shit to hide what they are doing with you home and money?

Know one I know of in any other busniess that isn't around thge brokering of money and paper is like this and fior good reason I would think. Because if people new the hole truth about what goes on they would'nt do business with the lier and snakes.

and the people who do know a little bit and still have to do business with these low lidfes are forced into it by the system that made it and keep's going the FED's and teh Gov't.
with the banker's pulling the strings on iy all .

Why do they have to hide all that they do?

A simple enough question for all your neysayers

why do the keep things from you as the customer or try and make it so you can't possably keep up on what's going on and before you know it the deal is sealed and your moneies in there pocket .

I have had to deal with these scumbags and know first hand how this shit work's and beleive me all the crap that goes on isn't because of the others cometing for our business thats for sure.

I have brokers lie, forge doc's to cover their lies and incompatance .
Ihad them cost me thousands over their scumbag tricks and games to try and screw me there are so many of them I don't think this blog is long enough to ever fit them all

You know if your going to be a snake just slither on up and say so and work you shit but these guy's know they don't just want that they want to make sure your feeling it all as they pat you on the back and smile at you calling "Buddy pal" "I'm here for you and getting you the best deal you can get, I have over 400 lenders I can use, so beleive me When I tell you there is nothing better out there and your getting the best when your working with me," "You can Trust me!" " I know there are others out there that give us good one a bad name, & I hate that about this business , but heyy I'm in this for the long run, not just a hit and run"

They got so many lines to us on you would think you were the only woman who went to the wrong after hours Bar.

Slezzy to say the least!


GYHOOYA said...

Oh by the way I have never heard anyone post a legal reason for how the Fed's and the court added some one to this case after the two were already into this and the only ones who were charge on paper after sitting in jail for over a one and a half years. Oh I guess that is know big deal to all of the snakes involved. I have never seen such a out and out disregaurd for some one's right's and all of you neysayers have some nerve saying that the two who are locked up are the one's pulling the tricks that delay this whole process.

That's the biggest lie of them all but not unexpected from such who support the bunch of Gov't thugs who do what ever they want and can twist it to look anyway they want

It is beyond me how anyone could be so dumb as to think that two guy's who are locked up and have very little in the way of thing's and right's that could be used to delay this and the other side has nothing but endless resorces to cause delay and yet you sit there and accuss the one's locked up for all the time that this has taken.

Enron and all of that crap took less time to get through trial, wonder why this is taking so long ?
Could it be that the Fed's were never out to go to trial or were nevr expecting it to keep as much interest as it has for so long that is the cause of the endless delaies and that the fact's that are the most important like that the bank's were not folloing the law when it comes to the loans they are doing and they never can let that out to the mass public or there would be a wave that would no doubt cause the country a great deal of harm around the monies and lendding..
Lokk who is telling who when it comes to the laws in the making or that have been inacted around the Mortgage business and that should shed some light on who is in charge.

Who do you think the Mortgage industry leaders work with and who is the driving force of the soon to be new way the FICO scoring is done come next month?

Here I'll give you a hint about the change . There will be no more adding someone as an autherised user like there has been Like how perents hell their kids get going with credit by adding them . you see when you do tnhat they get a boost in the score but some people have been selling their good credit in this way so some who had a bit of bad credit could get a good loan with a good rate instead of the crappy one the Mortgage industry would liuke you them to have so they will go under that much easier.

Nope there will be no more of that come Aug. the industry that brinngs you Higher rates if your having a bit of bad time's and sure that all makes perfect sence let's see

If your having a problem and your money is short or you have something in your life taht has changed thing's ( oh lie maybe soem dumb as broker out for only his pockets to get filled screws up you whole loan anbd there by your credit so you lose most of all the RQ in the house that was going to start a new business and pay off your creidt so you had it all planed out that you could take the need time still be able to pay you mortgage and start a business that has had a 2- 4 % growth in that industry and you have watch as others who have had the samme plan are making money han over fist but yet you have had to spend mosty opf all iof your on just trying not to lose your house because of this and just try to find a lawyer that is will to stand up and fight because it is wrong what has happen.)

Right then a bit of the picture for you and lets see back to these kind hearted bankers who make your interest so high that they know from the start that you will get buried by it ( but say they don't want your house ) now how dose that make any kind of good business at all.

If I went to a Bank and asked them to lend me so money because I wanted to go find people whoi were having trouble and lend it to them but first I wanted to make sure that they were paying as much as possable for the interest on it so that the liklyhooh of them ever keeping up with it or ever getting any EQ built up is not very good but I would not only do thge increced rate I want top make sure that any credit cards they have are at the hightest they can be in ensure they will default on those or at least get buried but the payment and interst and set it up so that if the get a late payment on some other account and I find out about it ( and why would'nt I because the Credit reporting companies will help out and make that easy for me top know) and when I do find out they were just late once I will incress there rate on my credit account they have with me because we just want to . It make so goos business and the banks would be more then happy to give me money for that right?

Wrong who in therir right mind would give me money to lend out when I have gone out of my way to set the ones I will lend it to up to fail and almost never give them the chance to get out from under it or have any hope of wever making enought to correct the bad luck that their in no matter what the start. sure they would laugh me out the door with a businmess plan like that and would never give me a dime ..

But hey the banker do it all the time to you and me and why because the Gov't will pay them if there iis a loss and they don't care from the looks of it they make more money if tyou do fail and default on everything

It would have to be true because how could a creditor who carried a loss of $35,000 be happy to settle for only $6,800.00 and with that be willing to correct some inputy on the credit report to boot

The math

28,200.00 for a loss or so were to beleive it's a loss but how could it be and have them stay in business. and why would they be willing to except it that is less then 20 % owed that is rediculess and again if I brought the business plan athat the banks use everyday to them and asked for a loan they would kick me out the door nad would'nt stop laughing for day's.

this is you banking world and just part of the great guy's they are .

Snakes that all and the truth is far from being tolled abdout the goings on in this whole money game thats for sure cause if it walks like a duck and quacks like a dauck it must be a duck ...

mogel said...

Nemo said: "Whether you are sincere in your statements or not, only you and God know."
I would strongly disagree!!! I would say there is a multitude of people that could judge Kurt & Scott's sincerity to be genuine. If I didn't know anything about the Dorean Process or even about Kurt, just by listening to him speak, I could attest to his sincerity & feel good about that judgment. Bruce, why does it kill you so much to give someone the benefit of any of your faithless doubting? You can't even detect if someone is sincere or not, so you certainly don't come from a very good position to judge good or evil, let alone a revelation.

As far as the relevance of the Book of Moroni, one wouldn't know unless they read it prayerfully and with SINCERITY, a trait that you admittedly aren't a very good judge at. I'm sure you haven't read the Book, however, you are quick to judge it. How strange is that? You are one to post anti-mormon literature as truth and as a retort, yet also admittedly you don't bother to read even that. That's even stranger to post evidence you aren't even familiar with.

Bruce, you are so insincere, you have to mix gratitude with mocking words. That's strange in anyone's book. Course it's your retarded way to be clever so you think.

"Perhaps YOU are too self-absorbed to discern revelation outside of yourself." Listen to your own counsel Bruce and take it SINCERELY to heart. Maybe that's asking too much though and maybe that's why too far out of your own comfort zone.

"Time will tell". Give me a break Bruce! Can't you even be sincere enough to tell the truth and express how you really feel? You've prophecized the demise and futility of the Dorean Process and it's uselessness from the very beginning without any deviation whatsoever & devoted much of your time and own internet site to this strong belief & cause. As far as any chances of Kurt & Scott in the trial, you have said that the government "will roll over Kurt & Scott like a steamroller" with no chance at all. Your problem is that you are so insincere yourself that you can't tell when others are being sincere because you project your own insincerity in others that don't deserve your judgment. You can't even be sincere about your own testimony of your own bankruptcy.

We've already had the discussion on narcissism and how "self absorbed" the naysayers believe that the Dorean Group is. Those claims are as meritless and about as believable as "God putting Kurt & Scott behind bars to check them." If that's true, than God must be embarrassed by dragging them to Utah only to drop that fiasco & charade. You must believe God didn't have the foresight to charge them in Federal Court first. Maybe God thought that he would be successful in exacting justice in Utah and was mistaken or maybe God just likes to waste people's time? Yes Bruce, you truly are a retard if you believe God has anything to do with Kurt & Scott going to jail.

Here's something you might know: Do you think Dione Warwick was just too self absorbed when she started "The psychic network", her fortune telling business, that ended up going bellyup and bankrupt? Do you think she just forgot to sincerely ask what was in the cards as far as the success of her business?

Bruce if you would have lived in the early part of the history of the United States,I would picture you as a Torey & would have cried for the status quo as something wonderful and would have been against any Consitutional convention and separateness from England. You certainly would have been against the Revolutionary War, would have been a faithful taxpayer and a good citizen with strong loyalties to England. You would have thought that any petition of redress against the wrongdoings of the King of England would have been considered some sort of fraud or scam or conspiracy of evil men concocted by self absorbed criminals worthy of the noose.

mogel said...

Nemo said: "I'm curious as to your view on the relevance of extra-biblical literature, such as, oh, let me see, the Book of Mormon,"

Nemo, why not ask God yourself unless you truly believe Kurt is God's messenger with the consecrated mission to challenge the banks & because of his revelatory capacity could truly enlighten you on this question. Oh no, that must be out of your self absorbed comfort zone to ask for more revelation, much less pray about something you have no interest in even reading.

The answer to your question is explained thoroughly in 2 Nephi Chapter 29 by God himself.

I think we can both agree that it's a Biblical doctrine that all myseries of Heaven & earth shall be revealed in the fulness of times.

Bruce, here's a simple question, how is that going to happen if the Bible is the only relevant book of all time & how are all the mysteries of God going to be revealed by the Bible alone? You don't think God will cause extra truth to be written or have a new dispensation do you? Oh my God, such a radical or irrelevant idea that must be encompassed with blasphemy and evil by the very thought. LOL

"Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible, Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews?
Know ye not that there are more nations than one? Know ye not that I, the Lord your God, have created all men, and that I remember those who are upon the isles of the sea; and that I rule in the heavens above and in the earth beneath; and I bring forth my word unto the children of men, yea, even upon all the nations of the earth?
Wherefore murmur ye because that ye shall receive more of my word? Know ye not that the testiony of two nations is a witness unto you that I am God, that I remember one nation like unto another? Wherefore, I speak the same words unto one nation like unto another. And when the two nations shall run together the testimony of the two nations shall run together also.
And I do this that I may prove unto many that I am the same yesterday, today, and forever; and that I speak forth my words according to mine own pleasure. And because that I have spoken one word, ye need not suppose that I cannot speak another; for my work is NOT YET FINISHED; NEITHER SHALL IT BE UNTIL THE END OF MAN, NEITHER FROM THAT TIME HENCEFORTH AND FOREVER."

mogel said...

"Only God can reveal that truth" that Jesus is our mediator

1 Corinthians 2:10-14

"But God hath revealed them unto us BY HIS SPIRIT: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are

Nemo, when you say to Kurt: "perhaps you are too self-absorbed to discern revelation outside of yourself," then perhaps you don't read the scriptures you already have, so there's no need of yours to ask about "other scriptures". I suggest you read first read what you have. Or perhaps you are just being INSINCERE AGAIN by not willing to attribute any spirituality to Kurt whatsoever, because as you must know, spiritual things are only spiritually discerned which is outside of one's self. Or maybe you don't really believe much of what you post?

When Jesus asked Peter who he was, Peter gave the correct answer that Jesus wanted to hear & then said he was blessed because "flesh & blood had not revealed it to him, but his Father which was in Heaven".

Nemo, is it your belief that Kurt learned this spiritual truth by accident, or merely by "luck". "Good luck" to Kurt as you say?

Why say, "God bless you" and "good luck" in the same sentence? If God is blessing Kurt, isn't that good enough for anyone? What will "luck" bring any of the clients? If the prosecution wins 95% of the time, I certainly don't want to play any luck games with those odds. This statement is not just another insincere comment of your's is it? You know the type of thing when someone asks you how you are doing & you automatically say "you are fine" regardless of how you feel. LOL

peanut gallery said...

Curious. I was looking at a recent merged credit report and found something interesting. It shows the default of my primary mortgage (Chase), but it shows that the second is current (Countrywide) Is this normal? Or could it have anything to do with the process? If any one of the legal minds out can enlighten me, please do so.

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mogel said...

Peanut Gallery: The Dorean Process shouldn't have affected your credit bureau reports one way or the other on how your mortgages are being reported. If you stopped making monthly payments, this will affect what is being reported to the credit bureaus.

The recording of dorean documents at the county recorder is not information that is given to the credit bureaus. What is given to the credit bureaus is what the mortgage lender sends to the credit bureaus monthly.

You can challenge whatever information is being reported to the credit bureaus & can often get that information either updated or deleted.

mogel said...

While the State of Colorado leads the nation in foreclosures, foreclosures are up 800% from last year in California:

mogel said...

1 Billion earmarked to fend off foreclosures:

neodemes said...


Don't waste your typing time for my benefit.

I scrolled on past.

See ya!

mogel said...

Nemo said: "Don't waste your typing time for my benefit.

I scrolled on past."

How classic. LOL
You asked a serious & profound question, but really aren't interested in an answer. Another example of your insincerity at work. LOL

By the way, stupid me. I assumed the best in you & took your question seriously & DIDN'T SCROLL ON PAST. LOL

mogel said...

Nemo said: "As long as we are having a dialog, Kurt..."

A dilogue presupposes two way communication and two way listening and a SERIOUS INTENTION to learn something outside one's self & one's preconceived notions. You just can't "scroll on past" everytime you hear something you don't want to hear or don't want to agree with & pretend you are having a dialogue with someone, all the time criticizing what the other person says & not seeing their paradigm.

I seriously doubt if you have ever had a dialogue with Kurt to date, but that would be something interesting to see in the future.