Tuesday, September 18, 2007

Staying Power (September 7, 2007)

Well the final bank fraud charges are dropped. As I have said all along the bankers do not want to play with the truth. Now the trial comes down to a conspiracy with the ancillary mail and wire fraud overt acts. Are you getting scared yet? With all the resources of the government in three years they have not been able to validate one loan. Who would of thunk the question we asked four years ago would be so difficult to answer? Well apparently it is difficult and this jury and court are not going to be privy to it. We have received the trial memorandum and what a great piece of work. After all this time we have come down to economic retards and their presumptions being the great champion of deliverance. Huff and Puff and Blow your house down is the only weapon they had. It worked on Bill, Farrel and Dewey so it does have some potency but it can never persuade conviction. Have you ever asked yourself why all these great servants of the people are so afraid of the truth that they have to have a rhetorical trial about nothing to avoid a simple truth? One thing perfectly evident is that those whom you fear are the biggest cowards that exist. Bill wants to get back to his family, Farrel wanted to get back to his family, Dewey wanted to get back to his family. Let me let you in on a secret, Scott and I want to get back to our families. What we don't want to do is go back to our family without our integrity. I'm not picking on these guys for if I had not relied upon the strength of Christ I too would have truly failed. Now we are down to a trial only about our state of mind and this is what the bankers want to trust the public record with. I've tried to tell you many times you need the enemy to deliver the blessings of the Lord. Stop running from your blessing and you will see in the future that I was not a nut or had a messiah complex but courage enough to let God be God and to have every man proved a liar. Is that foolishness, bravery or just common sense? Come on people this is God we're talking about. He created everything. You're not willing to trust Him. Now that is foolishness. There are going to be many changes before the victory but God has already given us grace. You might want to hold onto your mail since our address might be changing. These BOP people just don't like being called on the carpet for their duplicitous corruption. We simply found one set of criminals and got the rest for free. Got to love America. I think God wants us to be strong and enduring. To have a little staying power while He proves Himself strong. How have you faired on this equation? Do you see yourself as one not turned out by every circumstantial twist? Well hang in there peace is rapidly approaching us sent on the fastest steeds of heaven. God's decree is urgently seeking us out and time is now our friend. Ask the Lord to increase your faith and not to diminish your trial. Staying power is what its all about and in the end your enemies will fail for all the reasons you prevailed. See you at the end of this conspiracy.


provb1022 said...

Yes you will, God Bless

habakkuk said...


habakkuk said...

Kurt..Dude...I can't wait to shake your hand:)

near the end said...

justice7777777, Nemo,judgeroy,notorial dissent, Oh no; All bank fraud charges dropped and I thought ya'll new what you were talking about.

You guys are starting to look like REAL IDIOTS. But don't feel bad Kurt and Scott out Class ya'll 100 fold!!!!!Hee Hee Ha Ha Ha !!!!!

Way to go Kurt and Scott way to go!!!!!!!!!

neodemes said...

um...wasn't the whole idea supposed to be to challenge the banks?

Looks like they're getting away, boys.

Darn. And you had them surrounded.


near the end said...

Neo your so stupid. Now that you are seeing charges being dropped 1 by 1 that's the best comment you could come up with. Your momma must be proud!!!!!!!!!!!

Seems like what Kurt has been saying all along is starting to come true. You can't handle the truth. Hee Hee Hee!!!!!!!!!!!!

habakkuk said...

Kurt, i agree with your last post...I think the perfect storm is brewing and G-d is going to get the most glory out of this. Its kinda like when the egyptians, with all their chariots and mighty army tried to run down the Israelites and little did they know that G-d was digging their watery grave. Our G-d is Awesome!!

near the end said...

Hey Farrell bummer dude. You deserve no settlement.

You pleaded guilty; Now; why did you do that?

Your not the brightest bulb out there are you dude?

habakkuk said...

Like i've said all along....These naysayers may be smarter than we think....If they are still clients (only they know) then they are in a win win situation. If Kurt and Scott loose the battle they were right all along...But if they win the battle then they benefit from the spoils like the rest of us.....
See how smart these guys played it.

Smart little weisles aren't they:)

mogel007 said...

Habukuk: What you are saying sounds like a lesson in "grace".

Maybe a more important question, might be if no charges are proven against Kurt & Scott and a dismissal or settlement happens, than, doesn't it stand to reason or can it be argued or proven that all bogus charges should be dropped against all the other Defendants too with all penalties & plea bargains voided too? If an agreement is unconscienable, certainly this is a legal reason to void it as if it never happened.

If there is no bank fraud, than all the other charges in the indictment have no foundation whatsoever since no scam or conspiracy exists or ever existed.

If no scam or conspiracy exists, than all Dorean reconveyances of record need to be honored & upheld even though they haven't been. How is the bad behaviour of the banks and their bullying tactics and great power to get away with everything they've done, proof or justication that they are just and right and that their documented successes to supress most people into submission need to be respected and upheld simply because they have got away with things so far?

I think Nemo, you believe that "might makes right" to put it simply by your sarcastic remark that the "banks are getting away".

If the Courts or the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT can't acknowledge the validity of the Dorean process, than there is no justice that can be expected through the courts & justice needs to be found elsewhere.

Maybe everything is as simple as "obey and listen to God" and you will be financially blessed. I think that is what the latest post is saying.

All the twists and turns of the Dorean saga have not been that simple to see or understand though. All the controversy that the process has been given shows that things have not been simple on many people's lives, but I agree that endurance to the end is key & when all of the facts are in, it will be easier to see the foe for what they really are.

near the end said...

Mogel I bet all of the idiots here would have never dreamed the BANK FRAUD charges would be dropped!!!! Right judge roy ,Nemo, justice77777 nemrods!!!!!!!!!!!!!Hee Hee Hee!!!!!

habakkuk said...

I know someone (Dorean client) who has a case against Chase Bank (Validation of debt)that is in the local circuit court..pre-trial is Oct 17th. Its by the grace of G-d they have gotten this far. The Defendant's (Chase) lawyers included info about the Dorean Group as an exhibit (not in the Motion itself) to prove that my friends were involved in a "fraudulent mortgage ellimination
scheme". My question is:


near the end said...

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm not an Attorney but I bet the answer is YES!!!!!!

habakkuk said...

Does anyone know where (online) i can get the recorded doument that shows that the bank fraud charges were dropped??

neodemes said...

Or maybe, in God's big plan, Dorean et al is irrelevant.

near the end said...

NEO/BRUCE; Is your glass always HALF EMPTY?

mogel007 said...

Nemo said: "Or maybe, in God's big plan, Dorean et al is irrelevant."

Yes Nemo, PROBABLY ANOTHER great insight of yours. The doctrine of "stewardship" that God talked about in his doctrine & parables are possibly irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. You can't accept EVERY PRINCIPLE that God talked about as really relevant IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS? Yea, maybe parts of the bible are also irrelevant too in the grand scheme of things too. LOL

Yes God's teachings are irrelevant possibly in some way or another in the grand scheme of things TOO. Nemo says, "Give me enough time, and I'll figure out a reason why or I'll MITIGATE the importance of what two men have accomplished in great faith BRINGING TO PASS THESE MIRACLES. Maybe great faith is irrelevant too in the grand scheme of things. "If I CAN'T argue their success, like getting bank fraud charges dropped, at least I can MITIGATE THE IMPORTANCE OF IT."

And yes, God is a Eunch since he could be a sexless Being. Male & females were probably irrelvant in his desire to create two different sexes too IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS TOO. Yes God could be a woman too, and a sexless being there too, so maybe SHE is just a Wo, instead of a woman.

Where do I stop WITH MY LIES before I become blaspheming & I need to watch out for the thunder to strike me down?

Maybe you, one of his creations is also irrelevant in God's big plan too.

Maybe you were really just a mistake with no planning at all in the BIG grand scheme of things too, maybe you're really NOTHING & nothing deserving of God's love too & maybe God doesn't really care about ANYONE'S finances either in the grand scheme of things.

Maybe we've all wasted our time here. Maybe nothing is really important IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS that we can think of.

God & his ways are just too mysterious to find out. "It's all vanity saith the preacher".

Like the fox that tried to reach the grapes to eat them after many failed attempts could only say, "they were probably sour anyway." LOL

The Great Mitigator, A/K/A Nemo has spoken.

This mitigator type of speaking is really Satan's communication:

2 Nephi 28: 6-8

"Behold, hearken ye unto my precept: If they shall say there IS A MIRACLE WROUGHT BY THE HAND OF THE LORD, BELIEVE IT NOT; FOR THIS DAY HE IS NOT A GOD OF MIRACLES; he hath done his work.

Yea, and there shall be many which say say, Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die, and it shall be well with us.

And there shall also be many which shall say, Eat, drink, and be merry; nevertheless fear God-he will justify in committing a little sin; yea LIE A LITTLE, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ONE BECAUSE OF HIS WORDS, dig a pit for thy neighbor, there is no harm in this; and do all of these things for tomorrow we die; and if it so be that we are guilty God will beat us with a few stripes, and at least we shall be saved in the kingdom of God."

Hey Nemo, you're saved! You've got nothing to worry about. Let me MITIGATE some lies back to you. LOL

MITIGATION of the importance of important godly principles is the DEVIL'S LANGUAGE , make no mistake ABOUT THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mogel007 said...

Habukuk said: Does anyone know where (online) i can get the recorded doument that shows that the bank fraud charges were dropped??
Habukuk: Drop me an email at:


and I'll send you copies off of "Pacer" which shows the Judge's signature on court documents to dismiss the bank fraud charges in the dorean case.

Course this was predicted LONG AGO to happen for those with a good enough memory. The naysayers way back then just wouldn't believe or conceive this happening. Now, it's a FACT. The debate is no longer necessary.

neodemes said...


Spare me.

"Maybe we've all wasted our time here"

Now your catchin' om, moogie! Atta boy!

neodemes said...

Well, then, maybe God has an awesome prison ministry in mind for Kurt.

~~The Swami~~~ said...

So..........if the bank fraud charges are dropped, then that means the reconveyences weren't fraudulent. So why, how, and when do we approach our banks to tell them the salt pillars they built to withstand Dorean's march for truth attack.... is built in a flood zone ????????? The gig is up for the banks. Now we need to make this official. How do we approach them to get our notes?

~~The Swami~~~ said...

neodemes said...
Or maybe, in God's big plan, Dorean et al is irrelevant.

Maybe mullets went out of style Neo, or maybe people stopped wearing them because you had one NUT HAIR!!!! ("Nut Hair" on loan from Farrel - he got it trade marked)

Give me a break Neo. Maybe the sky is blue because Fuchsia wasn't invented yet!!!!!!! They make donuts so we can have donut holes. The head tap was invented so you could tell your loved one .............bad example.

~~The Swami~~~ said...

No post from Judge Bean about the bank fraud charges being dropped. Now there's a shocker.

By the way...........I just turned on the blower to inflate the bounce house. BBQ anyone?

mogel007 said...

Nemo said: Nephi? Spare me.
Whether it's a living prophet or a dead prophet, I guess it still doesn't matter to you. You might as well verbally stone all of the prophets. It's "spare me", or "scroll on past", "good golly Ms. Molly".

God can't be the same today, yesterday, or forever, can he? God can't have prophets on this the American continent in the past or even today. That's too radical of a thought? The Bible is all you need for your spiritual edification. No more learning above the Bible is necessary or required to understand God's ways. No revelation for our day is necessary. No more additional scripture is even necessary? I guess in your mind, you think God's work is done & that he doesn't speak to man anymore. What about the lost 10 tribes of Israel? Do you think they had holy men and prophets and scriptural writings or do you think God just completely ignored these people?

Amos 3: 7 "Surely the Lord God will do nothing save he reveals his secret to his servants the prophets".

What do you really know about Nephi anyway to have such an extreme prejudice?

Oh that's right, Nephi was one of the original authors from the Book of Mormon, so nothing in it can be conceivable as being true. I forgot. Joseph Smith made it all up in your mind.

A miracle in & of itself for a person of his REALLY LIMITED education to do what you think he did, "made everything up", don't you think, especially in the time frame he accomplished the work. So do you think he was some special savant, along with being this great deceiver?

mogel007 said...

SOP: If those Iraq War statistics could be proven, wouldn't that make the Iraq war bigger in death casualties than the Vietnam War, the war that seemed to drag on forever. That almost sounds like an exageration when I first read your post about the death & wound casualties, but who really knows? If your statistics could be proven, it might help end our extensive involvement over there sooner. At least we can hope so.

mogel007 said...

Nemo reasons: Well, then, maybe God has an awesome prison ministry in mind for Kurt.

So Nemo you believe that God is in the habit of calling "narcissist deceivers" to a great and awesome ministry behind bars?

Nemo, I remember when you first caught the idea that God might call someone to do a divine work such as challenging the banks, your first reply was, in God's great wisdom, "can't God call someone MORE QUALIFIED than Kurt?"

I remember how appalled & disgusted you were when Kurt had the gall of quoting scripture & throwing out this notion of following the Lord's will in his work & how unqualified & how unsuccessful you thought he was for this call. Apparently you still think he's unsuccessful.

So as appalling & as disgusting as you felt then, you think that it's OK for the Lord to call him for a greater work or an awesome calling behind bars now? Do you also think he HASN'T been a great example to his inmates as long as he's been there or even now? ISN'T EXAMPLE THE GREATEST TEACHER OR THE GREATEST MINISTRY of all?

Nemo, I'm just trying to understand your mental jump here from your latest statment. I have to admit your words are a little confusing to me to believe what you are saying now. Is your insincerity showing again or are you really serious?

Maybe Kurt can do so much greater good & GREATER THINGS by being free. You thunk?

marco said...

Thank you for your work. Here in Italy we are planning thousand of cases to unwind all of those mortgage frauds here.

Kind regards,

Marco Saba

mogel007 said...

Recent BANK FRAUD CHARGES were dropped on 9-5-2007 (the remaining 11 bank fraud counts).

There were 15 bank fraud counts dropped on April 16,2007

This makes a total of 26 bank fraud charges dropped by the Judge based upon the prosecutions recommendations.

ALL THE BANK FRAUD CHARGES HAVE NOW BEEN DROPPED AGAINST ALL DEFENDANTS. So the trial has just come down to alleged conspiracy and mail fraud allegations for the most part.

What is remaining is as follows:

38 Counts left remaining against Kurt & Scott & the Dorean Group:

Count 1 Conspiracy to commit wire fraud, mail fraud & bank fraud (18 U.S.C.Section 1349)

Counts 2-5, 9-14, 19-25, 31-34,
38-52 MAIL FRAUD charges (18 U.S.C. Section 1341)



Sept. 24, 2007 Pretrial Conference (yesterday, I wonder how that went? )

Oct. 15, 2007 Trial Date to commence

mogel007 said...

Marco: The banks fraud everywhere is a very scary proposition. That's a nice website, but most of us here don't speak the monster language of "Bankingstein" LOL

Loved to see the English version of your website though.

habakkuk said...

Mogel said.....

Nemo, I'm just trying to understand your mental jump here from your latest statment. I have to admit your words are a little confusing to me to believe what you are saying now. Is your insincerity showing again or are you really serious?

I think his mind control programming is breaking down. But that could be a good thing for nemo.

habakkuk said...

Mogel, Did you get my email request for that copy from PACER you said you had??? I'll send it again (hushmail.com account...title FROM HABAKKUK)

neodemes said...

Just posing possibilities, moog.

No need to get your shorts in a bunch.

Perhaps Kurt will be victorious in his heroic battle for world salvation and take his place as the Antichrist?

Just musing...no need to comment, moog.

near the end said...

Mogel; I think Neo is starting to see the light. Maybe he is human!!!!!!!!!!

near the end said...

Hey Judge Bean head Cat got your penis!!!!!!!!!!! and you were so sure they were done for. How does it feel to be WRONG!!!!!!!! Like I've been saying your not the brightest bulb in the store!!!!!!!!!

mogel007 said...

Nemo said: "Perhaps Kurt will be victorious in his heroic battle..."

Which is it? "Kurt will be mowed down" or "perhaps he will be victorious?"

You wouldn't really be SERIOUSLY interested in considering a different paradigm OR OUTCOME than what you have chosen have you?

You wouldn't be waffeling or vascillating would you?

Don't you know that the Lord doesn't answers prayers of people that waffels or vascillate. Just read James 1: 5-6. Notice the phrase, "nothing wavering". Ponder on that for a while. Course you are the expert on cults and religion, aren't you & that's what gives you the authority & knowledge & expertise to say that Joseph Smith was a fraud, isn't it? Course from your perspective, wouldn't it make more sense to say that Joseph Smith is the "Anti Christ" and that maybe he will just be brought back to life to perform that Satanic mission?

Tell me how does an uneducated man like Joseph Smith was, as far as formal education is concerned, ever make up a book from his imagination, WITHOUT DIVINE HELP, that becomes the 2nd most widely published book of all time, next to the Bible? I figure someone with a wild enough imagination that you have, can certainly answer that question.

That seems to be what you are best at, you know, that wavering, vascillating tap dancing type of phenomenon.

Kurt to be the "antichrist"? LOL
Isn't he giving the credit of his success to Jesus Christ? Would THE antichrist do that?
That statement might be a "new low" even for you. I guess your statement is just further proof that nothing is sacred or serious coming from you. Bottom line, it's all entertainment & a joke to you, isn't it? Tell me you aren't serious, because I've always questioned your sincerity.

My goodness, did the factual nature of all the bank fraud charges finally being dropped & becoming FACTUAL AND OFFICIAL, send you off the deep end now? Your imagination knows no bounds does it?

No need to comment on this post or your way out there in left field imagination & latest comment.

mogel007 said...

Near the End said: Mogel; I think Neo is starting to see the light. Maybe he is human!!!!!!!!!!

Let's not jump to any hasty conclusions here.

neodemes said...

It doesn't take much to get you going, moogs.

That is what makes you so much darn fun.

Keep your eye on Count 1 before you fire up your grill.


Anonymous said...

Ignatio Louis Minardi said...

or as you know him...

I. Lou Minardi

Travel restrictions on there way unless we do something about it. See info below and actionable info below.

This is unreal! Now is the time for us to coalesce with groups and people far and wide. We need to become a major voice.

A hearing is set for tomorrow on a proposed rule that in effect says that you will not be able to fly on commercial flights without first getting government permission.
"If you can, please attend the TSA hearings on Thursday (Grand Hyatt Washington, 1000 H Street, N.W. beginning at 8:00am). If you can´t attend in person, you have until October 22, 2007 to submit written comments through the Docket Management System . The docket number is TSA-2007-28572."

Here is the notice of the hearing which explains the proposed rule:

And here is an article that gives background on this odious proposal: