Sunday, October 28, 2007

What's Happening In Your Trial

By the time this post we will probably be at the end of the prosecution's case. After they rest we will have to present our defense. This won't be a long drawn out process maybe a day or two. As I've stated before I am in a strange position attempting to win a trial I would rather lose. Just that intimate revelation of Christ's behavior on the cross was worth the exercise of going through this trial. If that was all it was for I appreciate God changing directions on me and taking me to a place I didn't think I was going. God always has a back story going on in our lives where greater things are happening than we can imagine. There are countless characters in the scriptures where we get the back story but they didn't have it at that time. Like them we see through a glass dimly but if we will trust the Lord the back story will appear in our hindsight. Now the reason I would rather lose this trial is because I am not dissuaded by the lies and propaganda that has wiped out most of my clients. The reason we didn't want the clients involved in our business is because they would make all the errors necessary in their fears to undo the work I was doing. If the clients really knew what I know they would have all come into our trial and blasted the banks and the court for being crooked. My plans have always included this potential betrayal and violent opposition. A guilty plea in the federal system is very well protected by the judge in a way that it always has you making the offer. If you make the offer all they have to do is accept and you're off to their prisons for a rather long time generally. We have been in a constant chess match controlling this particular moment in commerce. I believe Judge Alsup understands that we have this knowledge because he keeps trying to corral us there. Each plea agreement we accepted never had a signature from one making the offer. They always wanted us to sign first. We did but in a commercially safe method. Each of these were refused. In my opening statements I asked the jury to enter a guilty plea on our behalf since we are not able to. The session was paused so that the judge and prosecution could make the offer to us on how they would accept our plea. Their offer was not acceptable so we were forced into a trial. Though this may be a free swing I still don't understand all that God is doing. The eternal treasures are appearing so I am grateful for the course change. If we are found guilty by the jury then I can go before Alsup unhindered by their goal to have me make the offer and await the offer they must now make as part of their usage and customs of trade. If we are acquitted that can be a victory I suppose but at a high price. The other options are a hung jury, mistrial, or a dismissal for various reasons. The political solution, the embarrassment solution, the get rid of the record solution, and who knows how many other dynamics are in the background. I ask you to trust in the Lord I'm trusting in and our enemies will be handed over to us. This device of a trial and criminal prosecution is our remedy and it became the fastest remedy available under the circumstances that availed themselves when we were running Dorean. Many of you have complained to God who is answering your prayers more thoroughly than you can imagine. Know this one thing and take comfort; the trial which is coming to an end is the beginning of your victory no matter the verdict.

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sopsback said...

"Know this one thing and take comfort; the trial which is coming to an end is the beginning of your victory no matter the verdict."




PRAISE THE LORD!

neodemes said...

If the clients really knew what I know they would have all come into our trial and blasted the banks and the court for being crooked. My plans have always included this potential betrayal and violent opposition.

There is your cue, loyal minions.

I am in a strange position attempting to win a trial I would rather lose.

Not to worry, Kurt.

;-)

Scott from Vineland said...

SOP said:
"Know this one thing and take comfort; the trial which is coming to an end is the beginning of your victory no matter the verdict."

PRAISE THE LORD!
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One thing seems clear: Kurt and Scott can lose the trial but they evidently will never lose the trust and devotion of Kurt's disciples. Sounds like the next chapter will begin shortly...

notorial dissent said...

Actually, the trial at this point is all but over. The prosecution has presented its case, and you are left with trying to convince a jury of the not brain dead that you really weren’t committing wholesale acts of fraud and theft. So far your track record has been 0 for all and you are now working on a complete strike out. You are right, in that you have nothing substantive to offer in your defense, the trial won’t last very many more days.

You are in the position of losing a trial you were slated to lose from the moment you set your foot on the path of fraud and deceit.

You are now left with nothing but BS and blasphemy. You are the one who made the choices you made, you chose to live the life of fraud and deceit you have. There was no divine hand in your actions, man was given the gift of free will to do good or ill in life, your choice is obvious, and your downfall was certain. You had the choice, and you walked away from the path of light, you abandoned the light as you abandoned your family, now you have nothing. The generations will not speak of you, they will abandon you as if you never were.

The reason you didn’t want the clients there was so that they wouldn’t find out how you had cheated them and why. You weren’t doing them any favors, you were lining your pockets. If your “clients” knew what was in your heart and mind, they would have lynched you long ago. That you preyed upon the desperate and dim just makes your crimes all the more heinous. The only betrayal you faced was to your conscience, and to the responsibility you owed your fellow man, and you have failed miserably.

Your ship is sinking with all hands and yet here you stand making excuses, it wasn’t my fault, I didn’t do anything wrong, I would have plead guilty except the mean old judge wouldn’t let me say I was guilty and come back with all sorts of reasons why I really wasn’t guilty.

You are delusional, the only thing you have been in control of throughout this entire fiasco is how long you were going to spend in prison. If you plead guilty to something, you answer unreservedly that you are guilty of the crimes as charged and prepare to take the consequences. Had you done that you would probably have gotten the minimum sentence, instead you chose to obfuscate and attempt to avoid responsibility for your actions, and they weren’t having any of it.

What Judge Alsup understands is that you are an idiot and a waste of protoplasm. Again you lie and prevaricate. You never accepted any of the possible plea bargains offered you, you attempted to rewrite what the prosecution presented to you, and were rejected each time. You don’t get to make the plea, you don't get to set conditions, you either accept what it presented or you don’t, that is the ONLY choice. You let your ego rule, and went to trial as a result.

You are an idiot. The jury cannot enter or accept a plea. They can issue a verdict, but ONLY, again ONLY the judge can accept a plea, and if it isn’t honestly, reasonably, or sincerely made, then he has a legal obligation to reject it. Again more of your prevarication.

God has nothing to do with your actions. You were given free will to make your choices, you made them, now you will pay for them. It’s always someone else’s responsibility someone else making the choices for you isn’t it Kurt, well, sorry, it isn’t. You made them all on your own and you can’t claim otherwise. Do not try and cloak either yourself or your actions in anything heavenly, when they were purely and basely driven by greed and worldly hubris.

You still delude yourself and those dim enough to think you have a clue. You will make your silly half assed defense, the prosecution will make their summation, you will rattle off whatever nonsense comes to mind at the time, the jury will withdraw and in pretty short order I will expect a verdict. The greatest likelihood is for a guilty verdict, you needn’t count on a hung jury or mistrial, I don’t see it happening, while there is is the slimmest of possibilities you could get an acquittal, I wouldn’t hold my breath if I were you. Barring the total loss of sanity and good sense of twelve people, justice will be done, and you will be going to prison for a very very long time.

Sadtoday said...

ND,
You forgot something. Kurt is responsible for dragging Scott into this mess & he will be accountable. He has taken everything from his "friend". Scott has nothing. He had a home, family, friends, and job. Kurt didn't lose any of these things because they were in arguable states of existance. Scott hasn't seen his dad in almost 3 years. Kurts looking at his dad everyday in the court room. Kurt's father is supporting him, Scott's father hasn't come to see him since his incarceration.

It's a shame - in everybody's eyes - the family, the Judge, the FBI, the prosecution. They have no joy in trying this case. It shouldn't have happened and nothing good can come from it.

Scott's kids are heartbroken. He's missed their birthdays, high school graduations. Every holiday his youngest son cried because he dad wasn't there.
Where is Christ in this picture?

Scott is unhappy and it shows in his demeanor and in his weight. I pray everyday that someone will intervene in his life and bring him to safety. He's throwing his life away.

Pray for Scott.

notorial dissent said...

sadtoday, what you say is entirely true. I cannot speak to what Scott is or isn’t thinking, but what you have pointed out is entirely true. I do not know if Scott willingly or just blindly followed Kurt, but follow him he did, and now is following him down the road to destruction that Kurt in a last fit of hubris has chosen for himself. I am not sure I would say Kurt’s father is supporting him as much as encouraging him in what he has been doing, since he is as involved in the scam as his son is. Scott needs to get a dose of reality and turn his back on this scam and open his heart and seek forgiveness for what he has been a part of. Until he does that as you point out, there is no room in his heart for anything else.

I am truly sorry for the pain and misery that both Kurt and Scott’s families are going through, they are, for the most part, innocent bystanders in all this and yet will bear the brunt of it. Kurt made the choices he made of his own free will, and despite trying to claim it was somehow some divine calling it was all Kurt and his worldly greed and overweening ego, must now pay the consequences of those choices, and until Scott wakes up, he too will follow in his mentor’s footsteps.

sopsback said...

chet yo wurl bullsh despots.....



06 Nov 2007


ENTIRE CITIBANK BOARD BELIEVED TO HAVE BEEN ARRESTED





i betr hooray up and get all me doe out shitibak b4 it too lat!


yep! goota get me $2.39 fast i can!


whaooooooooooooooah!!!!!!!!




funny! everynone wait all this time fo they dg money.

then afta all this, funny if they put dough in bank and then bank close up. lololo!!!!


so sted of losing it to mortgag company, they lose it to the bakers afta all when bank close!!!


cant win fo nuthin!


beffer put is slimy bell bank.

BigO said...

You people amaze me. Every one in this process are grown ass men and women no one was drug into this think, sure some people lost alot, and I still still believe they will be rewarded.

For those couples who may have left each other because of secumstances around the process, I have a question. who did you make your marriage promiss to ? Because trails and tribulations are (suppose) to make you stronger!!! nuf said...

I've been pretty quiet (on this blog) for the last year or so, but thought I would chime in on the comment that ppl have been dragged into, tricked bambozled (spell check) ect.

P.S. I probly wont respond to any comments.

RIDE ON KING JESUS RIDE ON !!!!!!!

SEE YOU AT THE TOP !!!

BIG"O" 1+1+1=1

BigO said...

I saw some spelling errors please forgive me

I am one who thags GOD for spell check. LOL

BigO said...

thanks****

BigO said...

you get the picture

sopsback said...

YO! ADRIENNE, WHASSUP!


THE SKY IS FALLING, I MEEN THE BANKS ARE CLOSING!

WHAT WE GONNA DO NOW????

sopsback said...

are yo kidding me!???????





ENTIRE CITIBANK BOARD BELIEVED TO HAVE BEEN ARRESTED

PROVOST MARSHAL MAY ARREST THREE U.S. PRESIDENTS TOO

Tuesday 6 November 2007 04:28

U.S. MARINES AND AIR FORCE DRAFTED IN TO ASSIST AS NECESSARY

SOME 3,000 BANKERS AND OTHERS BEING TAKEN INTO CUSTODY

NINE AIRCRAFT ARE BEING FILLED WITH PRISONERS

PROVOST MARSHAL TO TAKE OVER CITIBANK AND MAKE THE PAYMENT

BRITISH CITIBANK EMPLOYEES FLYING TO NEW YORK
TO ASSIST THE GENERAL WITH BANKING OPERATIONS

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U.S. MARINES AND AIR FORCE DRAFTED IN TO ASSIST AS NECESSARY

SOME 3,000 BAKERS AND OTHERS BEING TAKEN INTO CUSTODY

NINE AIRCRAFT ARE BEING FILLED WITH PRISONERS


us mareens? 3000 bakers?

9 airplains filled with bakers??????



whays all the dough???




LATE UPDATE!

6 NOV. 2007


UP TO 3000 DISGRUNTLED BAKERS HAVE HAD THEY HOLMES FORECLOSED.

RUMORED TO HAVE MADE CALLS WHILE ON PRISON AIRPLANE THE DG TO HELP GET THEY HOMES BACK.

NOW IN DESPAIR, AS KEEP GETTING NOONE TO ANSER THE CALL AT DG.

ONE BAKER REPORTEDLY TRY TO OPEN ARPLANE DOOR AT 30,000 FT. JUMP OUT.

RESTAINED BY U.S. MAREENS.

SITUATION IS DESPONDENT.

US MILITRY ON FULL ALERT.

sopsback said...

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sopsback said...

LOLOLOLLOLOOOOLLLLL!!!!!




"ONE BAKER REPORTEDLY TRY TO OPEN ARPLANE DOOR AT 30,000 FT. JUMP OUT."




now that what yo call a "bailout"


lololololllllloooooooo!!!!!

sopsback said...

with no possibility at all of ever returning to the United States, these criminal operatives will be permanently removed from easy access to co-conspirators, other bankers and all banking code information, and thereby stripped of any chance of ever again reverting to their criminal financial activities, even if such activity were possible following the unlikely prospect of their release from foreign jails.

They will also have become stateless, homeless persons as well as felons, and thus unable to acquire passports locally without the greatest difficulty.


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"They will also have become stateless, homeless persons as well...."



keep callin the dg. maybe jimmy noone will aswer the fone.

btw, yo nedd a dime fo yo fone call????

(IF yo do, come this blaagh, and ask nickels and dims, maybe he let yo borry one.

maybe yo can bribe jud raw beans to help yo too)

sopsback said...

opps! sorry. guss they wont even let yo make a fone call.

nickels can kepp his dime.


NO TIME TO PHONE SPOUSE OR TO COLLECT A TOOTHBRUSH


When we asked several sources whether the arrested officials and bankers would have been allowed to collect their toothbrushes and to telephone their wives, we were emphatically informed by all the sources consulted, that this would have been out of the question.

Scott from Vineland said...

SOP said...
chet yo wurl bullsh despots.....

06 Nov 2007

ENTIRE CITIBANK BOARD BELIEVED TO HAVE BEEN ARRESTED

________________________________
Hmm, Citibank was still in business this AM.... I will keep you all posted.

SOP, I probably speak for others here when I say I can't understand half the s#!t you post. If you are trying to make an actual point, maybe english would be more useful than the lame ebonics. I seriously doubt anyone is laughing.

mogel007 said...

Nemo quotes: "My plans have always included this potential betrayal and violent opposition."

There is your cue, loyal minions.
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This is no revelation. This has been said long before & many times. before. If there is a clue, it's that Kurt understands human nature.

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent: I believe Kurt is laughing at you, especially all of your supposed prophetic predictions and your input on how you interpret human nature and intent & what went into the decision process for Scott.

I believe Scott's greatest challenges were overcome last year and he is EMOTIONALLY STRONGER THAN EVER due to his handicaps & challenges he faced with courage and strong choices. Maybe in some ways, Scott does have less moral and family support, all that tells me is that he has had to become a bigger man in some ways in overcoming those obstacles. We all have different trials suited best for our spiritual development. What you perceive as a disadvantage, can be used to an advantage to those that serve the Lord.

The Jury hasn't even gone into deliberation and you've already sealed a defeat for the Dorean Group. How stupid and presumptuous is that?

mogel007 said...

Kurt said: "If we are acquitted that can be a victory I suppose but at a high price."
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I think most reading the blog would enjoy more clarification on this statement. and the meaning behind it.

sopsback said...

"...is laughing at you, especially all of your supposed prophetic predictions"





i must admit that i did not think that there would be a trail.

loks like i was rawng on that one.

on the ohter hansel, something tell me that there probly still isn a trail.

dg already won the REAL trail a ling, LONG, TIME AGO.......


what goin on now is jus a scam tr..., i meen a sham trail.......

sopsback said...

beam me up scotty said...




Hmm, Citibank was still in business this AM.... I will keep you all posted.







sho they open.....fo now...


but let me tell yo nothin....if yo got sum jewry in yo safebocks, i would take it out if i was yo.....


yo dun think shitibank
create a panic by sayin that they gonna shut they doe, do yo???

sopsback said...

37 BANKERS ARRESTED ON 1ST NOVEMBER


On Thursday 1st November, a total of 37 bankers were arrested, from Citibank, Morgan Stanley and Bank of America. These bankers were made to forfeit their passports as described above, and were then reported by several sources consulted to have been placed aboard one or two of the waiting aircraft after being transported to the Washington area airport facility. This service has so far been unable to ascertain whether one or two of the waiting aircraft took off with these 37 bankers, to unknown destination(s). They will be held in safe zones and secret hiding places sine die.
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lolololoololol!!!!!!!



poooooor bakers!


yo sho it really wasnt waht they call them CIA renditons???


yo no, they take yo to turnkey and tawcher yo until yo tell em wehre yo hid the doe???


time to make the donuts, eh??

last sentence: "...take yo to secret hidin place until yo die fo yo sins.....

not good.....

mogel007 said...

Kurt' Johnsons latest statement is that no matter the jury verdict, guilty or innocent, this will be the beginning of the clients expectations being realized.

Kurt had hoped for a guilty verdict, maybe since the court is "out of order in the first place. Not only that, all 27 bank fraud charges were dropped BEFORE THE TRIAL. It's still a long stretch trying to make all the other CONSPIRACY charges a crime, when there is no inherent bank fraud or scam and no theft by the Dorean Group, since admittedly, the prosecution showed there is no bank fraud by dropping all THOSE charges. They couldn't find any banks that would testify to a loss or damage anyway. The inherent bank fraud & the banks being damaged was THE HYPE & PUBLICITY SINCE THE BEGINNING TO JUSTIFY ALL THE THINGS DONE TO THE DOREAN GROUP ANYWAY. With no underlying scam or loss to the banks, there can't be any mail or wire fraud. Without any scam, Judge Alsup had no real authority to shut the Dorean business down. If he had no legal authority, than any "contempt of court" is also "out of order" so to speak as a charge.

Kurt & Scott have never voluntarily accepted the Court's jurisdiction and the dorean process has always been a "settled matter", through the paper process that went unchallenged by all the banks. I suppose that a court trying a matter that is not in disputation, is also a wrong or damage that maybe Kurt wanted to add to his many damages already, ESPECIALLY BY THE COURT ENTERING A GUILTY VERDICT, which is further financial damages available to the Dorean Group. Apparently, according to Kurt's logic and own words, a "not guilty" verdict comes at a high price.

Anyway, there is enough evidence in the court record which won't go away, proving that the court trial is a farce and that the Court never had any intention of putting "expert witnesses" into the trial record, because expert witnesses would show that banks create money with every loan, but Kurt has provided enough evidence to show that the Court is entirely "out of order" and that the trial went on DESPITE THE FACTS IN THE RECORD THE COURT ENTIRELY DISREGARDED. There's plenty of grounds for an appeal because of these facts.

Conceivable a jury verdict could come by or before Thanksgiving 2007. It could go either way at this point. The Judges instructions to the Jury are extremely prejudicial and hurts the Defendants, Kurt & Scott. If the Jury follows the instructions completely, I would suppose a verdict of guilty could come to pass against Kurt & Scott on all or many of the conpspiracy counts. Hopefully the Jury is smart enough to see that the Judge's instructions are B.S. & that they can still decide on a basis on whatever they think based upon all the evidence and facts in the court record.


Here is a blast from the past that explains some things well. Con men don't give interviews like this & fully disclose. They seem pretty sincere & honest in their quest, hardly a standard to convict on any conspiracy charge.


Check it out:

http://dwb.sacbee.com/content/
homes/re_news/story/12345358p-13213074c.html

And best of all, video showing Johnson:

http://www.nbc6.net/video/
4237966/index.html
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sopsback said...

"We have no doubt that now that these people have well and truly met their days of reckoning, all avenues will be pursued with the same degree of ruthlessness as the criminals inflicted upon Ambassador Wanta, who for many years while languishing in the hideous American GULAG...

to be tortured night and day without end....




lolololololo!!!!!!!!!!!




gee, if this were a "regular citizen" would they be charged with "terroism" under the paltry-it axe???


if so, then the pres. wood of had them torched, no???


wonder if they gonna torcher the bakers???


hope not...even i cannot condone torching them fo what theve done...and they dun bad. very bad....


"...to those with mercy,
mercy shall be shown them;

to those without mercy,
MERCILESS shall be GODs judgement agaisnt them."



see, havng mercy when youve defeated the enemy is waht makes a christian DIFFERENT from everyone else....

notorial dissent said...

Moogems, I doubt very seriously that Kurt is laughing about much of anything at the moment, giggling hysterically maybe, crying more likely, but laughing I doubt it.

Let’s see, on the predictions front; you predicted they’d never get to trial, I said they would, you predicted they couldn’t keep them in jail that Kurt had a sure fire plan to get them out and off, I said you were full of it and that they would go to trial, where are they at the moment oh right at trial. I said they’d most likely be done by the end of the week, you gibbered, the prosecution rested on Friday, dim and dimmer can now present their defense, except apparently all they have to rely on is the wit and wisdom of Kurt, I don’t predict a long defense before they go to summation. I merely pointed out the inexorable course of events and logical conclusion.

Scott’s biggest challenge is getting out from behind the shadow of Kurt and getting his soil back.

Again dear Moogs, I was just pointing out the inevitable progression of things. I may well be wrong, but logic and past experience says not. In any case, the jury will go out when the defense rests and then they will debate the points. I don’t see there being much to debate nor much difficulty in coming to a conclusion, but then I am not on the jury and don’t have anything more to do with it.

Moogey spewing further Jurt blather Kurt' Johnsons latest statement is that no matter the jury verdict, guilty or innocent, this will be the beginning of the clients expectations being realized.
They can certainly expect to realize that they have been royally screwed by their so called savior, they can certainly expect to NOT see any of their money back, they can certainly expect to not get their lost homes back, that is for certain.

Again Moogs, the bank fraud charges haven’t been dismissed, they have been dropped, so they can be refiled at any time. Dropping charges does not equate to innocense in any sense of the word.

Again, more Moogey nonsense, dim and dimmer don’t get to “accept” the court’s jurisdiction, Federal Law gives it jurisdiction, what they do or don’t accept is totally irrelevant. The Dorean process was a crock, it is a settled legal matter that it was a fraud, that part is settled absolutely. Dream Moogs, the only way a court enters a “guilty” verdict is if a defendant pleads unreservedly guilty to the charges at hand, or a jury finds them guilty. So far this hasn’t happened. Yet!!!! There are and will be no financial damages for the Dorean group, they were found to have been committing a civil fraud, and that ruling has not been and never will be reversed. Dream on it isn’t going to happen. They were committing civil fraud and are on the verge of being convicted of criminal fraud. It is over and done with.

The judges instructions are based on fact and law, something apparently foreign to dim and dimmer.

Just keep on prevaricating Moogs, it won’t help, but maybe it will keep your mind off the fate awaiting you down the road.

Oh by the way, some of the “boys” buddies down up in Sacramento just got busted, 68 counts of state charges for the same thing dim and dimmer were doing, and they were apparently clients of Dorean, or maybe brokers, story wasn’t too clear, but they were using the Dorean dreck accordign to the story, they only managed to steal about $2 million, they’ll be spending their time in a CA prison, maybe they and Kurt can be pen palls.

sopsback said...

lolololololool!!!!!!!!!!






"...they only managed to steal about $27 Trillion, they’ll be spending their time in a CA prison, maybe they and Kurt can be pen palls."



??? who yo talkin' bout?

greenscam, paulsion and the bakers???

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent said: "Oh by the way, some of the “boys” buddies down up in Sacramento just got busted, 68 counts of state charges for the same thing dim and dimmer were doing, and they were apparently clients of Dorean, or maybe brokers, story wasn’t too clear,"
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Maybe when you obtain all the facts and it's clearer to you, you can post the full story and the names of the people involved. Thank-you.

mogel007 said...

Here is the story Notarial Dissent was referring to:

http://www.modbee.com/local/
story/113240.html

I don't think they used any subrogation bond as an insurance policy to back up their alleged "false filings". Probably their process was very simplified & may well have been fraud; the court will decide. Certainly not many properties were involved. I don't think any of the indicted were Dorean clients, they just attended a seminar apparently.

neodemes said...

Idea came from a seminar

Braun said mortgage lenders wired money to three bank accounts. He said he withdrew the money and gave it to Yates. He said he got the idea for such transactions by attending a seminar held by a Bay Area group that is in trouble with federal authorities.

For a fee and a portion of the money a homeowner made through refinancing, the Dorean Group filed documents to make lenders believe loans had been repaid.

Dorean's operators, D. Scott Heineman and Kurt F. Johnson, argued that borrowers are not legally responsible for repaying mortgage loans. Authorities disagree, so the men are on trial in federal court in Oakland, accused of eliminating $5 million in mortgages on 17 properties in nine states.

http://www.modbee.com/local/story/113240.html

neodemes said...

moogie observes:

"Probably their process was very simplified & may well have been fraud; the court will decide."

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But, the underlying loans on the properties in question were, of course, a fraud in themselves...isn't that the party line? Why aren't you demanding justice for these folks...your boys seem to have been a major influence on their thinking.

Or, when the court decides the fate of K&S, surely you will then admit you've been had?

notorial dissent said...

I never said they were good at it, just that they were fellow travelors, and looking forward to the same fate as your heros.

Then again they may have been better at it than dim and dimmer, never have heard how much they supposedly actually conned out of people.

In any event, they too will be guests of the gray bar hotel, only theirs will be of the state variety.

They could have used a scarlet pimpernel for all the difference it mattered, a non-existent bond or a flower, the flower all things considered would have been prettier and actually worth something, but otherwise of no consequence.

mogel007 said...

Nemo said: "But, the underlying loans on the properties in question were, of course, a fraud in themselves...isn't that the party line? Why aren't you demanding justice for these folks...your boys seem to have been a major influence on their thinking."

I AGREE WITH YOU.

Or, when the court decides the fate of K&S, surely you will then admit you've been had?

YES, I'LL ADMIT, THE SYSTEM ITSELF DID A NUMBER ON EVERYONE. IT'S STILL NOT OVER YET. DON'T THINK THAT ALL WEAPONS OF THE DOREAN GROUP HAVE BEEN USED. JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE RETREATS DOESN'T MEAN THEY THINK THEY ARE LOSING OR INEVITABLE BELIEVE THEY HAVE LOST.

Even a possible guilty verdict of "conspiracy" doesn't prove to my mind that Kurt & Scott are conmen as you say or were promoting a scam. You MAY ASK why is that? But then again you know, don't you as you say: "But, the underlying loans on the properties in question were, of course, a fraud in themselves."

sopsback said...

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????




??? how come all the negativ dg mposters arent saying even just one bad thing about the crooked and corrupt bakers and the $27T they scammed from people who are now loosing they houses ?????

seem bias to me......

commet?

nickels?

dims??

pennies?

???? ????? ????? ????

neodemes said...

Oh, those evil banksters.

I don't recall getting an answer to a previous question, moogs. Maybe I missed it?

Are you going to refuse to sell your Ohio house to someone who utilizes a conventional bank loan to purchase it from you?

mogel007 said...

Nemo asks: "Are you going to refuse to sell your Ohio house to someone who utilizes a conventional bank loan to purchase it from you?"
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I don't know, is it lawful to give Tribute to Ceasar? What would Jesus do or say if he were in my shoes? You're the expert in spiritual matters. :o)

Are you still saying it should be a relevant issue, and are you assuming that this particular home in question is still on the market by me?

I wonder if refusing such an issue would be grounds for a lawsuit against me, kind of like a discrimination thing? At any rate, it's a good question by you, although a loaded question at that.

sopsback said...

Nemo asks: "Are you going to refuse to sell your Ohio house to someone who utilizes a conventional bank loan to purchase it from you?"



heres sum free avarice fo yo:


waht yo do is sell yo hous, then afta the buyer get a mortge, tell the buyer to fill a suite agans they mortge company.


tehn they get they house fo free and some money bank too!



lolololololo!!!!!!!!!!!!

sopsback said...

that nestara stuff is to muck....




"I am Ag-agria a Guide to Michael and one of many that have come from Sirius to help mankind’s ascension.

You are to become Galactic Beings and join the Federation of Ascended Planets."



are yo serius???


weel, I am Kirk from the Federation fo Descended Kneeanderthals and ive come to greet yo.


so, whatup???

do yo fedralation give out low inferest moongags there??


they got a local branch of the dg???

^_^


yo no, yo gut funny i's and and a slimy muoth.....yo lok lik yo asleep standin up.

sopsback said...

maybe the junge can tell us about these "galactic beans" from the fedralation.

sopsback said...

I am from Dracos and the red that you see reflected from me is a glimmer of our sun.

We have been where you are now. We have done the deeds that you have, and are experiencing on your Earth now.

We have been everything that you are now and have been in the past.


-----------------------



"We have done the deeds that you have, and are experiencing on your Earth now."


yo meen yo have swindel the banks fo $27T too??!

WOW! this stuff hapnin all ova the place. amazin!

and now yo all gone to galactic jail.

they gona put yo where they put that guy Khan, Kirks archenemy.

Khanonian Singh

yo will have to surve on a plant with no vegation, just the oppsoite of earth.


here all we have is vegetable beans who dont no what goin on with they govt.


lolololololo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sopsback said...

all yo can say is....loooooooolo!



"We are ready to have our flyovers and the landing in your valley. It will soon be the time for us to be able to do so.

Your new government will be able to release the orders to your Air Force and we shall be able to come-and-go without being shot at or chased by your military planes.

That will be a great boon for us. We have waited patiently for several years now so that we can land and complete our assignment that was given to us by the Galactic Federation to help clean up Mother Earth's atmosphere.








hmmmmm.........cabple of intastella travel but cannot outrun a missile lanched by a fighter jet...lololo!!!!



bettr fo yo if yo go bock to yo intasteela felleration.

yo fellas not wnted roun hay.

yo gut louzy tecnolgy.

sopsback said...

mabe wen dg payout, yo can buy yoslef one those strayships and travel to yo insanity federation......


lololololoooooooo!!!!!!!

neodemes said...

Yes, I think you still own the house, but that isn't the point of the question, which you evaded answering.

If you sold the house, congrats. But again, not the point.

sopsback said...

??? how come all the negativ dg mposters arent saying even just one bad thing about the crooked and corrupt bakers and the $27T they scammed from people who are now loosing they houses ?????





well..........



lololololol!!!!!!!!!!



i think i a better shot waiting get picked up by the intestular fedralation...



yo sirius,

when yo beemin me up to yo strayship???

gettin tired waitin down here.


only none who asnwer a question is jimmy noone (pronunced "noon")

sopsback said...

fuggetbout it....


yo got the judge playin in his raincoot....


yo got nickels run out of dims...


yo got salami, who no where he is....


yo got notorious distended, and he eat tooo much...

yo got scooty still waitin hisself to beem up, o maybe that jim beam burbon he waitin fo..


yo got.....forget it.


btw, anynone ever take a shot o burbon????


uggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh....



yo better off take a shot o gasoline.....same thing........dunno how they drink that stuff.....i think that what junge beans drinks when he behing the bench joodicating on a case

sopsback said...

WTF!

i guss we reely fine out that the gold trim on the falg really do meen that the usa IS NOT a solvent, i meen soverin countyr anymo.




11/06/07

The Senate Foreign Relations Committee voted (17-4) to surrender
United States Sovereignty to the third world and the corrupt United
Nations!

Of course, we're talking about the Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST)!

And as anticipated, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is trying to
force a quick vote on LOST before anyone realizes just what is going
on!

Only four Senators on the Foreign Relations Committee had the courage
to stand with the American people and vote against giving United
States sovereignty to a United Nations body.

The vote tally was not available at press time but we know that
Senators Jim DeMint, Norm Coleman and David Vitter were three of the
four votes.
----------------




o corse! the good ole lew minotti controled CFR


i meen, ho the f**k are they to give away our sovinty??

so, jung bean, so this meen now yo wurk fo the UN


accoridng to UCC, i never singed a contrack with the CFR to give away my county.

sopsback said...

Of course, we're talking about the Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST)!

And as anticipated, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is trying to
force a quick vote on LOST before anyone realizes just what is going
on!

Only four Senators on the Foreign Relations Committee had the courage
to stand with the American people and vote against giving United
States sovereignty to a United Nations body.

The vote tally was not available at press time but we know that
Senators Jim DeMint, Norm Coleman and David Vitter were three of the
four votes.

And now that LOST is headed -- on the fast track -- for the floor of
the Senate, we will need 34 votes to TORPEDO LOST!

Use the hyperlink below to send your urgent Blast Fax message to
President George W. Bush and all 49 Republican Members of the United
States Senate. We only need the support of 34 Senators to scuttle
LOST and many of them are already starting to listen.

Tell them that, since Senate ratification of a treaty makes it U.S.
law, passage of the Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST) will surrender our
sovereignty to an organization controlled by third-world despots,
dictators and international pirates whose motto is "Destroy America!"
Why should we surrender rights currently reserved to the federal
government and to the states? Fight this treaty! Scuttle LOST!

http://www.cfourstrategies.com/lostii.html

AOL Members Use This Hyperlink

If the above hyperlink does not function, please copy and paste it
into the address bar of your browser.

We Can TORPEDO LOST!

Just a short time ago, when we initially reported to you that Members
of the Senate were trying to bring LOST to the floor of the Senate and
ratify it under the cover of darkness, you sent over 30,000 Blast
Faxes to our elected leaders in Washington.

And they took notice!

Senators like Jim DeMint, David Vitter, Mitch McConnell, Trent Lott,
Jon Kyl and Daniel Inhofe started fighting LOST tooth and nail.

Even presidential candidates Fred Thompson, Rudy Giuliani, John McCain
and Mike Huckabee have since spoken out against LOST!

Now that this movement to ratify LOST is out in the open, we can defeat it!

In fact, sources tell us that opposition to LOST is mounting by the hour!

But we need to make one final push now because the Senate can vote on
LOST at almost any time!

Last week, because of your efforts, Congress extended the moratorium
on Internet taxes.

You won that battle and you can STOP LOST TOO!

Use the hyperlink below to send your urgent Blast Fax message to
President George W. Bush and all 49 Republican Members of the United
States Senate. We only need the support of 34 Senators to scuttle
LOST and many of them are already starting to listen.

Tell them that, since Senate ratification of a treaty makes it U.S.
law, passage of the Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST) will surrender our
sovereignty to an organization controlled by third-world despots,
dictators and international pirates whose motto is "Destroy America!"
Why should we surrender rights currently reserved to the federal
government and to the states? Fight this treaty! Scuttle LOST!

http://www.cfourstrategies.com/lostii.html

gilbert said...

FOX NEWS HAS NOW OFFICIALLY DECLARED WAR AGAINST RON PAUL, AS WELL AS, ALL OF US, AND IT IS NOW TIME THAT WE SERIOUSLY TAKE THE FIGHT BACK TO THEM!!!!!!!!

IT APPEARS (FROM THE IOWAPOLITICS. COM WEBSITE) THAT FOX NEWS IS TRYING TO KEEP RON PAUL OUT OF THE DECEMBER 4TH DEBATE IN IOWA !!!

THIS IS FROM IOWAPOLITICS. COM....PLEASE PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO LAST PARAGRAPH WHERE IT STATES THAT IN ORDER TO ATTEND THE DEBATE.....

The candiadates must have:

"Garnered at least 5% of the NATIONAL ELECTORATE as determined by an average of the most recent national TELEPHONE POLLS of registered voters conducted by non-partisan public opinion polling organizations leading up to the registration deadline AS DETERMINED BY FOX NEWS CHANNEL AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OF IOWA OR garnered an average of at least 5% in the most recent polls of Iowa voters conducted by the American Research Group and the Des Moines Register."

http://www.iowapoli tics.com/ index.iml? Article=109854

Republican Party of Iowa: To host presidential debate in Des Moines
11/6/2007

Contact: Mary Tiffany
(515) 282-8105

Debate to be nationally televised by FOX NEWS CHANNEL

The Republican Party of Iowa announced today that it will hold its presidential debate at Hy-Vee Hall in downtown Des Moines. The event, to be held the evening of December 4, 2007, will be the first debate in Iowa to be televised by FOX News Channel this election season, as well as the first debate sponsored by the Republican Party of Iowa.

Republican Party of Iowa Chairman Ray Hoffmann said, "With the caucuses less than a month away, our December 4 debate will be very telling to Iowans and the nation. We are thrilled to be having this event in central Iowa, and right in downtown Des Moines which will be the epicenter on caucus night."

What I am doing is sending Mr. Hoffman an email, (ray@iowagop.org) and letting him know that if Ron Paul is not on the debate that I will vote for the "WICKED BITCH".

Ray Hoffmann, Chairman
Sioux City

Dear Mr. Hoffman,

I wanted to let you and all of the IOWA folks know that my wife and I are in our early 80s and have always voted Republican. I am letting you know that if you try this criteria garbage whose sole purpose is to eliminate Ron Paul from the debate in December, my wife and I and over 10+ family members have decided that we will not only vote for the "WICKED BITCH OF THE EAST" come 2008, but send her $500 on top of that.

But if you insist on a criteria then it should be on those candidates that have not raised over $4 million dollars in a single day, of which my family did their part.

I am a WWII and Korean veteran.

Capiche!

Robert and Gloria Beckett and family.


The debate will be limited to those candidates who have satisfied the following criteria:

1. Announced a formal campaign for President: and

2. Filed the necessary paperwork with the Federal Election Commission; and

3. Met all U.S. constitutional requirements; and

4. Garnered at least 5% of the national electorate as determined by an average of the most recent national telephone polls of registered voters conducted by non-partisan public opinion polling organizations leading up to the registration deadline as determined by Fox News Channel and the Republican Party of Iowa or garnered an average of at least 5% in the most recent polls of Iowa voters conducted by the American Research Group and the Des Moines Register.

AND THIS JUST HAPPENS TO COME OUT THE EXACT DAY THAT RON PAUL HAS MADE HISTORY BY RAISING MORE MONEY IN ONE DAY THAN ANY OTHER CANDIDATE!!! !!

THEY KNOW THAT RON PAUL DOESN'T REGISTER IN THESE BOGUS "NATIONAL PHONE POLLS" AND THUS GIVES THEM A PLAUSIBLE REASON TO EXCLUDE HIM FROM THE DEBATE EVEN IN THE FACE OF SUCH OUTSTANDING SUPPORT THAT WAS EVIDENT TODAY!!!

WE ALL MUST DO SOMETHING!!! !!

These are all the contacts in IOWA with the GOP:

State Central Committee Ray Hoffmann
Chairman
Sioux City
rayhoffmann@iowagop.org Leon Mosley
Co Chairman
Waterloo
lmosley7@mchsi.com Chuck Laudner
Executive Director
Des Moines
claudner@iowagop.org Paula Dierenfeld
Legal Counsel
Des Moines
psd@nyemaster.com Kathy Pearson
Pres. IFRW
Cedar Rapids
kpearson@kaas-emp.com Phyllis Kelly
National Committeewoman
Charles City
phyllisk@fiai.net Steve Roberts
National Committeeman
Des Moines
steveroberts@lawiowa.com First District

Second District Third District Karl Gilbertson
Cedar Falls
guntherg@cfu.net
Lisa Smith
Secretary
Ottumwa
jlsGOPFan@hotmail.com
Steve Scheffler
West Des Moines
SLScheffler@aol.com
Dan Nicholson
Dubuque
danielenicholson@mchsi.com
Mark Lucas
Wilton
mlucas@netins.net
Loras Schulte
Norway
loras007@southslope.net
John Ortega
Bettendorf
johnjortega@msn.com Bill Vernon
Cedar Rapids
bvernon@moyerbergman.com Ted Sporer
Clive
TFSporer@sporerlaw.com Fourth District Fifth District David Jamison
Ames
ddj28@mchsi.com
Bill Anderson
Sioux City
wra1977@cableone.net
Bonnie Hall
Boone
bonniehall@signatureblue.com
Reid Houser
Treasurer
Treynor
reid.houser@sitel.com
Larry Smith
Truro
thebizpro@hotmail.com Dave Raak
Hospers
phoner@nethtc.net


Here are all of their emails in easy format so that you can copy and paste to send them all an email:


rayhoffmann@iowagop.org
lmosley7@mchsi.com
claudner@iowagop.org
psd@nyemaster.com
kpearson@kaas-emp.com
phyllisk@fiai.net
steveroberts@lawiowa.com
guntherg@cfu.net
jlsGOPFan@hotmail.com
SLScheffler@aol.com
danielenicholson@mchsi.com
mlucas@netins.net
loras007@southslope.net
johnjortega@msn.com
bvernon@moyerbergman.com
TFSporer@sporerlaw.com
ddj28@mchsi.com
wra1977@cableone.net
bonniehall@signatureblue.com
reid.houser@sitel.com
thebizpro@hotmail.com
phoner@nethtc.net

PASS THIS ONE TO EVERYONE & EVERY GROUP, SO WE CAN ALERT ALL RON PAUL SUPPORTERS IN IOWA THAT ACTION MUST BE TAKEN TO MAKE SURE THAT FOX NEWS DOES NOT KEEP RON PAUL OUT OF THIS DEBATE!!!!!

REPOST THIS TO ALL WITH ANY MODIFICATIONS THAT YOU FEEL NECESSARY!!!

You can help by signing this petition:

http://www.petitiononline.com/ronpau1/petition.html

Bill Topel
http://www.freedomw riter.com
http://www.myspace. com/alaskafreedo mwriter
http://www.flickr. com/photos/ freedomwriter/ sets
Registered Non-Partisan & Music Aficionado

sopsback said...

it's a HAPPENING PEOPLE

BOBBY [6:38 PM]: World Banking System is changing.

My contact in California went to his bank BOA and the ATM's were being changed, he said, WTF, he knows the bank mananger and asked him what was going on?

He said the World Banking System is changing and all ATM's will be changes, the old ones won't work on the new system. He said that the new ATM would work tommorrow, BOA is the first bank to change, and all will follow, It's Started !!!

Thought you'd like to know.

Pass it on, this is first hand info.

sopsback said...

Is there in fact a worldwide bankster crackdown going on right now, as Christopher Story has suggested a number of times?

mogel007 said...

Nemo said: "If you sold the house, congrats. But again, not the point."
________________________________

Oh so what's the great point you were intending to show? What was the intent and purpose of the question Nemo? Will you evade that?

mogel007 said...

"The boys had a witness that blew the court away" today, from what I'm told.

I wish I could have been there in person to hear it and enjoy what was said.

Anyone out there, proponents of Dorean or naysayers, wish to contribute or share what that was all about?

mogel007 said...

Demosthenes
Grand Exalted Keeper of Esoterica


Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Posts: 11374

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:12 am Post subject:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Demon lady says: "If it hadn't been for Flea peddling his garbage on Suijuris, I would never have heard of Dorean."
_________________________________

Where would she find the time to hear of Dorean? Over 11,000 posts just on one website? LOL

Nemo, I think you owe me an apology for accusing me of being verbose!!!!!! You've never said anything about the Demon lady about her posting. Fair is fair you know. You don't possess a different judging standard for different people, do you?

Obviously you do. How sad.

Leo said...

Two observations to all this BS:
First,Jesus, God and all the other religious crap should be banned from serious discussions about this matter.
Second: The Dorean group did nothing illegal from the get go. They excersised fiduciary duty to put the banks on the spot to prove the legality of the mortgage obligations. The used the failure of the mortgage contract to fully disclose what was really going on as the basis for the claim of it being invalid. The banks had the right and the opportunity to prove the allegations wrong by simply providing proof of the disclosures. If they didn't respond in a certain time period, the banks admitted the loans were invalid for failure to disclose. Consequences of failure to rebut was clearly spelled out in the letter sent to the banks and mortgage companies involved. If the the banks could provide the disclosure documents, the claims of the fiduciaries would be withdrawn. However, the banks did NOT respond because they couldn't produce ANY disclosure, they also knew that failure to respond caused the rest of the presentment to, as part of the admission to appoint Dorean as the banks agent to reconvey the property which then had been admitted to have been improperly and illegally acquired by the banks through the fraudultent loan documents. Only AFTER admission by the banks through failure to rebut the acusations did the power of attorney and appointement as agent for the bank become operational. As fiduciaries for the trusts, did not Dorean have a duty to protect the trust assets? Dorean, according to the accusations of the governments case did not act as agent UNTIL they were appointed by the contract with the banks as the agent of the bank to reconvey the properties. Only AFTER THE BANK THROUGH IT'S SILENCE, AND FAILURE TO REBUT THE ACCUSATIONS, did Dorean act in its fiduciary duty to effectuate the terms and conditions of the banks admission and all that it encompessed. The Dorean principals cannot by any stretch of imagination be considered to have committed fraud. They only acted upon the banks failure to repond, and admission there was no valid mortgage through that silence. The people signed promissory notes which were stamped "pay to the order of" and deposited as cash into transaction accounts. This created bookentry "money" from which the bank paid the sellers through escrow. Then the bank sold the ill gotten mortgage to Fannie Mae or whomever, and got CASH for it! Where did the bank get the right to be so enriched through the sale of a mortgage that it had acquired through deceipt and fraud and at a cost of "0" to it? Have not the banks admitted time and time again the checkbook money is created by the promissory notes? Then how in good concience can anyone possibly conclude that the bank has something to lose in such a transaction? Loss what? Fraudulently obtained funds from selling a fraudultently obtained instrument? Where was,is the disclosure to the borrowers of all this? What damage has occured to the bank other than having to give back the money it got from the buyer of that mortgage? Fraud, pure and simple.

mogel007 said...

Here's an interesting law:

U.S. CODE, TITLE 18, PART 1, CHAPTER 1, SECTION 4: MISPRISION OF FELONY:

‘Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some Judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both’.

Judge Roy Bean said...

Leo: "However, the banks did NOT respond because they couldn't produce ANY disclosure, they also knew that failure to respond caused the rest of the presentment to, as part of the admission to appoint Dorean as the banks agent to reconvey the property which then had been admitted to have been improperly and illegally acquired by the banks through the fraudultent loan documents."

Unfortunately, that's legal nonsense. The "banks" had no obligation to respond.

Until someone changes the law or appeals the verdicts in the various cases that "presentment" remains meaningless garbage peddled by scam artists.

mogel007 said...

Leo: I agree with your complete analysis, which is quite good I might add, however, the problem lies in Judge Alsup's instruction to the Jury indicating that NO POWER OF ATTORNEY is effectuated by silence, it must be effectuated by EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT by the lender, not implied consent by silence or estoppel, AND DONE VOLUNTARILY, knowingly, and willingly, with no conditions attached, so the Judge in effect has totally disregarded any case precedences or law to that effect that says anything contrary to his instructions.

There was case law and legal reasons in the Dorean business plan that was filed in the court record, that indicates that Judge Alsup is treading thin water, trying to create a fraud, out of something that isn't fraud on Dorean's part & sending bad Jury instructions. The Dorean's business plan justified their actions and showed their innocent intent in their actions from day one of their business.

Of course that isn't right what Judge Alsup is doing to unfairly prejudice a jury, but what do you do when a Judge wants to protect a multi-trillion dollar fraud of the lending industry and uses his power & influence to do so?

Why did Judge Alsup do that? Because he can? Because he is being paid to do so?

mogel007 said...

Judge Bean said: "Unfortunately, that's legal nonsense. The "banks" had no obligation to respond."
_________________________________

And the next thing, Judge Bean will say according to my expectations are, "AND THAT'S JUST GOOD SERVICE and wonderful public relations at work too by the banks and that should only be expected, BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE SERVICE BUSINESS."

As we all know also, everyone enjoys being ignored, and if you add insult and financial injury to that, well that's just iceing on the cake. LOL

neodemes said...

moogie huufs:

"What was the intent and purpose of the question"
```````````````````````````````````
Dude, even you aren't that obtuse.

neodemes said...

edit: huffs

-----------------------------------

moogie concurs:

"Leo: I agree with your complete analysis"

edit: anal-y-sis aka bullshit

mogel007 said...

Hey anyone besides myself, REALLY notice and pay attention to the topical wording of Kurt's last post title?

Kurt didn't say, 'what's happening in HIS TRIAL," he said:

What's Happening In YOUR TRIAL?

If you talk "intent", the Judge was out of order when he affirmed the objection by the prosecution to the SPECULATION that Kurt was willing to die for the cause and give up his liberty AND LIFE for his clients. Course Farrell was never even allowed to answer that question. How sad!!! I would have enjoyed hearing the response.

Con men and fraudsters don't give up their liberty and life for a cause, value, and strongly held belief.

Fraud is never present when belief of good intentions exist and when the welfare of others is ever present.

I hope the present jury is smart enough and perceptive enough to see that.

Enough said.

mogel007 said...

"Dude, even you aren't that obtuse"
___________________________________

Sounds like evasive tactics to me.

Hypocrisy is BULLSHIT. If the hat fits, please wear it, and enjoy the fragrance.

neodemes said...

moogie's closing summary:

"Enough said."

---------------------------------

At last! I thought you'd never shut up.

I'm sure the present jury is smart enough and perceptive enough to see nonsense for what it is.

Kurt asked them for a guilty plea...I'm sure they will be happy to do what they can for him...with a guilty verdict.

habakkuk said...

"Con men and fraudsters don't give up their liberty and life for a cause, value, and strongly held belief. "


That sums it up right there....and the naysayers dont want to touch that because they know its the truth.

mogel007 said...

The problem I have with Christopher Story's story is that he has no other press release to collaborate his so called news.

Reporting is not good reporting without collaboration.

Where's the collaboration? Please post and show that? I admit, it makes for interesting reading, but I like to read the National Enquirer too, and read all of the celebrity gossip too.

mogel007 said...

Nemo says: "I'm sure they will be happy to do what they can for him...with a guilty verdict."
___________________________________

Oh really? Would a perceptive, fair, and intelligent Jury give a man something he DIDN'T DESERVE, even if he asked for it? Is that how justice is served and that somehow PLEASES YOU and somehow in your mind, that's funny?

Wouldn't that be a reflection that the Jury is not fair and intelligent if they rendered a decision of guilty, just because a Defendant asked for it? Have you ever asked for things in your life that wasn't good for you, and became an injustice in your life?

"If a son asked for a fish, would you give him a stone"? What would Jesus do? What should the Jury do? Should a Jury consider what a Defendant asks for OR IS THE SYSTEM ALL ABOUT JUSTICE AND FAIRNESS AND LAW?

Since when should the Jury's decision be about what the Defendant wants?????????

Nemo, I think you are more perverted that I had previously anticipated you were. Is that possible?

Justice is suppose to be blind, as depicted by the image of the lady with the blindfolds on, but maybe in some cases, it should also be deaf too, don't you think?

frivolous said...

That special guest Mogel was Dr. Larry Bates, an ex-CEO of a bank (who would certainly know a little something about the transaction).

PFA, Pluck From Air banking I think were his words. Very interesting how those from squatloos have time and time again stated that the "vapor money" argument is bullshit (of course it is WHEN YOU HAVE A JUDGE USING PRESUMPTION AS OPPOSED TO MATERIAL FACT), while the CEO of a bank stated it on the record.

Also interesting how everyone seemed so interested in what Dr. Bates had to say and were asking such questions like, "How can the system be fixed?"

sopsback said...

leo,

save yo lawn winded analsis bcoss only one listing on this blaaaaahhhhhg is jimmy nooone.

yo got jung has beans,

nickels and dims,

slami,

nojustice7's

etc.


but, here the final anal-sis which everynone seem to alwasy be interestd in on this blaaaaahggggghhhhh, what go on in the back end.

well, it this.




IF THE POLTISHINS OF THIS COUNTRY DONT WAKE UP SOON, LIKE AS IN 'TOMORROW' WE ALL GONNA BE IN DEEP SHIT.

AND THAT INCLUDES THEM TOO!

THEY NOT IMMUNE, BUT THINK THEY ARE.

SEE, WHEN THEY SUCCEDD IN BANKRUPTING THE COUNTRY EVEN FURTHER THAN IT ALREDY IS,

THEY GONNA WIND UP WATCHING THEY 14 YEAR OLD GRANCHILLENS SELLIN' THEY PUS*Y ON THE STREET TO THEM LIKE JUNGE BEANS FLASHING THEM IN HIS RAINCOOT.


E.O.S. (YO NO WHAT THAT MEANS)

sopsback said...

"IF THE POLTISHINS OF THIS COUNTRY DONT WAKE UP SOON,



right! even i get carried away and think that good is possible. yo got a beter chance of having it snow at the equaker.

aquaman said...

you are right out of your mind if you don't think the bank has an obligation to respond to questions and affidavits from customers. Futhermore, agency can most definitely be obtained through another partie's silence. The IRS does it all the time

Semper Fi said...

I googled Dr. Bates and this is what I found. He gave a Briefing in St. Louis back in Nov. 2006, which read:

"Some of the topics to be covered at this briefing will include:

• The accelerated plans for a “New World Order” including a new North America that eliminates the U.S.A.;
• The plans for a new currency for North America;
• Why a major economic downturn or collapse must occur to accomplish the elitist’s goals;
• How threats of terrorism will affect markets and your assets;
• How to “Storm-proof” your assets;
• How the game is “rigged” with our debt based economy and debt based money;
• How to prepare yourself mentally, physically and spiritually and even prosper in these uncertian times;
• How to plan to exit your job in corporate America;
• How to avoid the strangle hold of big oil and big banks.

Dr. Larry Bates who will be hosting the Briefing is the author of the best selling book, The New Economic Disorder and editor of Monetary and Economic Review, a quarterly economic and financial publication that analyzes economic and financial markets.

Dr. Bates, a former bank CEO who taught for the Banking Administration Institute and the Tennessee State College System, is a former member of the Tennessee House of Representatives where he chaired the Committee on Banking and Commerce. Dr. Bates will help attendees understand that although the government is powerless to prevent an economic catastrophe, there are practical actions which they can take to prepare themselves and their families for the perilous times that lie ahead."

A former bank CEO AND House of Representatives member..hmmm..SOUNDS VERY CREDIBLE TO ME!

Semper Fi...

Semper Fi said...

No court today. Closing arguments is scheduled for Tues. Nov. 13th.

Might be worth attending.

sopsback said...

lololololoolol!!!!!!!!!



Semper Fi said...

No court today. Closing arguments is scheduled for Tues. Nov. 13th.

Might be worth attending.






i could of gussed it. it wood of been the 11th if was on a weekend. ;-)

neodemes said...

"If a son asked for a fish, would you give him a stone"?

I don't see the analogy, moogs.

sopsback said...

moogel made an interesintg point on a previous post;


somenone should esplane the advantages/disadvantages between winning/losing the case.....


choo no wha' i sain???

sopsback said...

QUICK!!!!


CHECK YO....YO ALREDY NO WAHT TO CHET....




09 Nov 2007


U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT LIES THAT WANTA HAS BEEN PAID

sick of sop said...

If memory serves Dr. Bates was mentioned by Kurt at the beginning as being an advisor in some sort of capacity.

Funny how there is no mention of his testimony by the squat-loosers.


BTW

S till
O n
P rozac

I do know about the LOST treaty, and is very, very bad indeed.
Unfortunately because of all your other drug induced rants, and incoherent ramblings, no one would pay attention to a really important issue.
Dude, chill out for crying out fricken loud

notorial dissent said...

Nice to see you are consistent Moogs, taking two unrelated statements and pretending they are. Incidently, the sarcasm remark was made with regard to JRB’s comments, not mine. I wouldn’t waste the effort on you.

Moogs, I have no idea if you would recognize the truth if it walked up and bit you in the ass, however, evidence of your past behavior would tend to indicate not.

My point was that you have had more than ample opportunity to research and verify, and yet you show no indication of having done so.

Moogs, you, like Mr Swanson, have presented your positions and have been found wanting, you were each given more than ample opportunity to present something of substance and value and yet you did not. Swanson’s nonsense has long been discredited and dismissed for the dross it is, and just because he thinks he reinvented the wheel does not make it any less the dross that it is, and those who actually knew what they were talking about saw it as such and told him so. Neither of you have been denied hearing, but hearing does not imply acceptance just because you want to run your mouth. There is no requirement to keep proving the earth is round just because you are convinced that it is flat and are just sure that if you only talk long enough someone will believe you, it doesn’t work that way, your theory has long been proven false, and it is no longer necessary to do more than label it the crap it is and move on.

Moogs, just because someone claims to be something doesn’t make them one. While someone who graduated from the Irwin Rommel School of Law may perhaps claims the credentials of a lawyer, given the choice between them and someone from Cornell Law, guess who I would take. And in the real world, the Rommel graduate has the same standing as Swanson, which is to say NONE.

Since I have yet to see Swanson actually point to anything your point is moot. The fact remains, his theories are bogus, and are and have long been dismissed by his professional peers.

Again, your ability to twist unrelated statements to your own delusions is amazing, I quite frankly find it offensive, but not unsurprising.

You might want to look up the definition of hypocrisy, it has to do with saying one thing and believing something else or acting otherwise. I have said exactly what I think and what I believe, and if it offends you, I can’t begin to tell you how little I care.

Quoting Moogey making a further fool of himself Was Mr. Spielbauer an "incompetent in his many years as a prosecuting or district attorney? Didn't the Department of Justice or Bar Association recognize this incompetency through those many years of law practice he had PRIOR to meeting up with the Dorean Group?

Congratulations Moog, you’re still batting 0 for all. Spielbauer was a PUBLIC DEFENDER, and apparently a not very good or ethical one. He got fired for lying and making misrepresentations to a judge, and then refusing to answer questions by his superiors. Hardly a sterling character or professional reference. He seems to have problems abiding by the canons of ethics, so gee, guess maybe he came by working for the dim duo easily.

Quoting Moogey making a further fool of himself Or is your statement just a blanket statement about the United States DOJ in the Northern District of California, generally speaking? Is the DOJ culpable too by allowing an incompetent to practice those many years and still EVEN TODAY to practice law?

Gee Moogs such a nice rant, pity you made it all up out of whole cloth without bothering get facts, but then that has been your problem all along, so just more Moogey blather.

Well Moogems, I actually go by independently posted and verifiable information. The disciplinary actions I’ve referenced, added to his being tied to dum and dummer, plus the other irregularities he has undoubtedly involved himself in will come home to roost eventually. When the current legal cases are settled, you can bet that he will be referred to the bar assn for disciplinary actions, and by then there will undoubtedly be more than enough to warrant disbarment. Lying to a judge as a court officer is probably grounds enough on its own. If you’re really interested you might want to check the disciplinary sites, but you know so much you should already have read them.

Moogey, there are times when even your blather is beyond comprehension. If the jury decides that dim and dimmer are guilty of the crimes charged they will render a guilty verdict. What the dim duo do or do not ask for is irrelevant. The jury’s charge is to render a verdict based on their belief in that the charges were or were not proven.

sopsback said...

lololololol!!!!!!!


sos said...

S till
O n
P rozac

I do know about the LOST treaty, and is very, very bad indeed.
Unfortunately because of all your other drug induced rants, and incoherent ramblings, no one would pay attention to a really important issue.
Dude, chill out for crying out fricken loud






at lest i tak my poorsack voluntrily.

what yo gonna do when they force yo to take it afta junge beans loks up yo as* in the entrainment camps????


dun woory, they can only control yo mind so much...


afta a whilst, yo get yozzed to it.....


and dun nick porzack until yo tryed it. how yo thing all yo congrassmen and senders get throo they day.
yo thik they could mak all they grate desizons without the help of taking protok??

tell me nothing, what yo thik they were taking when they singed the LOST treaty??

well, maybe yo was right, they wernt on porzak, but maybe they was on packstill.
yo no, the one with all the smilly face commericals on tv. it make yo smille even when all the sh*t full all around yo.



lololololoolol!!!!!!!!!!!!

sopsback said...

REPEAT POST:


sopsback said...

moogel made an interesintg point on a previous post;


somenone should esplane the advantages/disadvantages between winning/losing the case.....


choo no wha' i sain???

sopsback said...

lost change on yo tube.

Judge Roy Bean said...

Aquanut said: "you are right out of your mind if you don't think the bank has an obligation to respond to questions and affidavits from customers. Futhermore, agency can most definitely be obtained through another partie's silence. The IRS does it all the time"

The only thing they have to respond to are QWR letters. Do a little research on RESPA. Goofy affidavits don't qualify as QWR's, either.

Then please cite the law or even case law (real world, now, not the mythology being promoted here) that allows someone to acquire power of attorney by another party's failure to respond. While you're at it, find a case where this kind of mortgage elimination BS worked and survived a court challenge.

And try to keep up with reality: What the IRS can or can't do isn't even barely relevant to what can or cannot take place between a debtor, lender or servicer. You can ask your hero Kurt about the mess he got a couple into with a trust in an IRS case before he was peddling the Dorean scam. (Hint: They lost their property.)

Judge Roy Bean said...

Folks, Bates is a spokesperson who makes a very good living by marketing stuff to people he knows are susceptible to the hyperbolic messages he uses.

Think of it, you can pay $20 or so to attend one of his "conferences" and then get sold on all kinds of cool end-of-the-world stuff. Videos, books, etc., and don't forget the dubious health stuff he hypes.

He preys on a mostly older, ultra-conservative and almost exclusively Christian audience of people who are easy to convince because they've been taught to expect the world was going to come to an abrupt end almost any day now. The fact that it hasn't, despite having been told it was going to almost all their lives, doesn't seem to matter. I suppose it makes them more comfortable with their fearful view of the world. ("At least when it happens, honey, we'll be able to say 'I told you so!'")

That's fine, if you enjoy conspiracy theories and living with a certain amount of paranoia.

It keeps Bates and dozens of people like him very busy.

sopsback said...

lloloolol!!!!!!!!!!



"Representatives of tiers 3-10 were at first allegedly informed that they could not be paid as $47 trillion had been stolen, and that they would have to await the generation of sufficient funds by means of further high-yield investment operations, before they could be paid."



dun woory, i got sum good HYIPs fo yo to invest in.


just email me for deatils......



yo meen even these big shot reps from other counteis invest in HYIPs.....


not they no what it fell like to not get payed....



now let them cry scam and report it to the sec....



loolololololol!!!!!!!

sopsback said...

AGGREGATE GLOBAL REFINANCING IS $353 TRILLION


The total aggregated payout – amounting to a vast refinancing of the global economy – is worth $353 trillion, generated by high-yield investment operations under cover of so-called ‘humanitarian programmes’. These are various schemes that have been used as deliberate cover for the high-yield investment operations, which the International Monetary Fund (IMF) has approved, so long as a ‘humanitarian’ purpose was involved.
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"...is worth $353 trillion, generated by high-yield investment operations.."


this is TOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH!



so, yo telliin me that all along it was the IMF runnin these scam HYIPs!!!


mofo theeves!

HA! it the IMF been steelin my HYIPs money.

i could of gussed it!


i want my #$%&%$ money back yo slimy mofo's!


i gonna report yo to belly bawl an see what he say.


rember over 3 years ago when i put in $000 in patirck johsnons HYPE.

the none with the cackulator showin yo money growin by the second??


so that was yo, imf slimy mofo.

neodemes said...

Judge Roy Bean said...

...Christian audience of people who are easy to convince because they've been taught to expect the world was going to come to an abrupt end almost any day now. The fact that it hasn't, despite having been told it was going to almost all their lives, doesn't seem to matter.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I have to take exception on this one.


2 Peter 3:

1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.


5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

habakkuk said...

Neodemes said...

I have to take exception on this one.
___________________________________

I have to say Neo that i'm glad that this one time you are smart enough to know not to take sides with the worldly folks. Now if we can only get you to read the rest of the Bible we'll be making progress.

neodemes said...

Should I read the Book of Mormon, too, hab?

sopsback said...

"the elements shall melt with fervent heat,...."


do al gaw no this?

al gawk thawt it sayed....


"and the lements shall melt from globull war mongering..."

habakkuk said...

Book of mormon?? Whats that supposed to mean? I have no idea what you and mogel have been talking about when it comes to mormons and i am definately not one.

neodemes said...

What with your concern about folks' scriptural well-being and all, and your silence on false doctrines espoused here, I thought perhaps you were an adherent to them, as well.

sopsback said...

moogel,

even tho yo a momon, yo stil ok with me.


dun pay no mine to dims and raw beans an such......

sopsback said...

i still hoppin somenone splane wht the rimificatons of winning/losing the case are.

guss if the win, then they cant niggosheeate anymo.

if they loose, then they can niggo she ate?

splain to me???

sopsback said...

somenone shud email Stroy to fine out wha goin' on??


today they suppost to a rest mo bakers.


so, com on stroyo, what the story????


an btw, ho much do yo charge fo yo sevices??

i wnat yo to go chase down some HYIPs money form about 2 dozen HYPEs that i bawt, i meen got suck into.


now that yo dun chasin wannits $27T aroun, figur maybe yo nedd to make some estra cahsh???


wha do yo say??


btw, yo never hear of a bloke name belly brawl??

(MO- he like to have berr belly fights in bars; afta he dring about 9 berrs)

sopsback said...

gee, it cold up here...

berrrrrrrrrrr...............

Leo said...

Response to Judge Roy Bean:
So you take the position that "failure to disclose" does not affect the validity of a contract?
Further, it has been my experience that when a bank is about to lose a case that they do not want publicized, they settle with a silence clause and many times even have the case sealed. That is why there is almost no case law to point to in these matters. You don't seem to be aware of the recent class action case the banks lost where thousands of sub-prime loan lenders were ordered to return all payments made by the home buyers since day one, because of FAILURE TO DISCLOSE. Banks appealed and LOST! Failure to disclose vitiates any contract, PERIOD.
----- Original Message -----
From: Judge Roy Bean
To: leos@socal.rr.com
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 7:04 AM
Subject: [Mortgage Fraud] New comment on What's Happening In Your Trial.


Judge Roy Bean has left a new comment on the post "What's Happening In Your Trial":

Aquanut said: "you are right out of your mind if you don't think the bank has an obligation to respond to questions and affidavits from customers. Futhermore, agency can most definitely be obtained through another partie's silence. The IRS does it all the time"

The only thing they have to respond to are QWR letters. Do a little research on RESPA. Goofy affidavits don't qualify as QWR's, either.

Then please cite the law or even case law (real world, now, not the mythology being promoted here) that allows someone to acquire power of attorney by another party's failure to respond. While you're at it, find a case where this kind of mortgage elimination BS worked and survived a court challenge.

And try to keep up with reality: What the IRS can or can't do isn't even barely relevant to what can or cannot take place between a debtor, lender or servicer. You can ask your hero Kurt about the mess he got a couple into with a trust in an IRS case before he was peddling the Dorean scam. (Hint: They lost their property.)

Post a comment.

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Posted by Judge Roy Bean to Mortgage Fraud at 7:04 AM

Leo said...

Response to Judge Roy:
So you take the position that "failure to disclose" does not affect the validity of a contract?
Further, it has been my experience that when a bank is about to lose a case that they do not want publicized, they settle with a silence clause and many times even have the case sealed. That is why there is almost no case law to point to in these matters. You don't seem to be aware of the recent class action case the banks lost where thousands of sub-prime loan lenders were ordered to return all payments made by the home buyers since day one, because of FAILURE TO DISCLOSE. Banks appealed and LOST! Failure to disclose vitiates any contract, PERIOD.
----- Original Message -----
From: Judge Roy Bean
To: leos@socal.rr.com
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 7:04 AM
Subject: [Mortgage Fraud] New comment on What's Happening In Your Trial.


Judge Roy Bean has left a new comment on the post "What's Happening In Your Trial":

Aquanut said: "you are right out of your mind if you don't think the bank has an obligation to respond to questions and affidavits from customers. Futhermore, agency can most definitely be obtained through another partie's silence. The IRS does it all the time"

The only thing they have to respond to are QWR letters. Do a little research on RESPA. Goofy affidavits don't qualify as QWR's, either.

Then please cite the law or even case law (real world, now, not the mythology being promoted here) that allows someone to acquire power of attorney by another party's failure to respond. While you're at it, find a case where this kind of mortgage elimination BS worked and survived a court challenge.

And try to keep up with reality: What the IRS can or can't do isn't even barely relevant to what can or cannot take place between a debtor, lender or servicer. You can ask your hero Kurt about the mess he got a couple into with a trust in an IRS case before he was peddling the Dorean scam. (Hint: They lost their property.)

Post a comment.

Unsubscribe to comments on this post.

Posted by Judge Roy Bean to Mortgage Fraud at 7:04 AM

habakkuk said...

neodemes said...
What with your concern about folks' scriptural well-being and all, and your silence on false doctrines espoused here, I thought perhaps you were an adherent to them, as well.
__________________________________
Your so worried about false-doctrince you throw the good stuff out with the bad. I'm not worried about false doctrine cause i investigate the Word and the Holy Spirit help me to identify the false.

The problem with throwin the good stuff out with the bad is you mis the blessing. Like my grandfather used to say "You spitin the plum out with the pit"

sopsback said...

anynone coorius what the provo utah martial look lik???



the none that try to a ress teh press??



www.cid.army.mil/Images/
BG_Johnson2.png?SSImage
Quality=Full

sopsback said...

see, here wha maks no cents to me???


clit on suppice the be the bad guy, but then yo gut nestara sying he dun a good thins by singing the secret dep furgivness law in 2000??

so, ho do yo bleevo???


good o bad???

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Benefits of this secret NESARA law signed by Clinton in Oct of 2000 but kept secret:

1) Forgiveness of credit card and mortgage debt as remedy for bank frauds;

2) Creates U.S. Treasury Bank system which absorbs the Federal Reserve and

new precious metals backed U.S. Treasury currency;

3) Restores Constitutional Law;

4) Requires immediate resignations of Bush and Cheney to be replaced by

Constitutionally acceptable NESARA President and Vice President Designates

until new elections;

5) Requires the President Designate to declare "Peace" and ends U.S.

aggressive military actions immediately;

6) Abolishes IRS; flat rate non-essential “new items only” sales tax

revenue for government, and many more improvements.

sopsback said...

so yo gut the boosh/clicton crim famlee, but the nostara say clixton sing the depth fogibness law.


so hoes lyin????

mogel007 said...

Nemo asked: "Should I read the Book of Mormon, too,"
_________________________________

Defintely not! I think you should continually criticize the book SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T READ IT AND KNOW NOTHING ABOUT it OTHER THAN WHAT other ignorant people have said that also haven't sincerely read it either.

It fits you perfectly judging a subject WITH COMPLETE IGNORANCE. IT'S YOU!!!! It's also fitting with your personality of consistency.
"Stay the course". It's the only "prudent" thing to do. Trust me. I like you just the way you are in your "saved" condition.

neodemes said...

hab states:

"Your so worried about false-doctrince you throw the good stuff out with the bad."

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Which good stuff is that, exactly, and when did I throw it out?

sopsback said...

so ho get the credit:


dg or no star a


Benefits of this secret NESARA law signed by Clinton in Oct of 2000 but kept secret:

1) Forgiveness of credit card and mortgage debt as remedy for bank frauds;





or mabee even clit on???

habakkuk said...

"Which good stuff is that, exactly, and when did I throw it out?"

___________________________________

Hey neo, why dont i save my comments for someone who wants to hear them.....I feel like i'm throwin pearls to swine here.

neodemes said...

hab sez...

Hey neo, why dont i save my comments for someone who wants to hear them.....I feel like i'm throwin pearls to swine here.

**********************************

In other words, you have no idea what you are talking about. The only thing you're throwing is BS.

Have a nice day.

Judge Roy Bean said...

Leo, of course failure to disclose can be a reason to invalidate a contract. But what the scammers like to call "failure to disclose" for the purposes of mortgage elimination is not that, and the case law for what is or isn't is pretty solid.

You are correct about parties who are about to lose a case settling out of court with confidentiality agreements.

The fact is over 99% of civil cases settle out of court in the same manner. But what you don't know or don't want others to know, is none of the mortgage-elimination scam suits have settled out of court. The industry wins every one of them based on the law.

See, in the real world when financial predators abuse consumers, a civil suit is the typical result and with a few notable exceptions, it very rarely hinges on matters of whether or not the law is what it is.

Those non-tried, settled civil cases are almost always matters of fact, i.e., which version of the story about who did what or didn't is correct will prevail - not someone's interpretation of the law. The perfect example of that are the Kenney and Julian cases.

And I'm far more familiar with current mortgage cases and case law than you appear to be. Again, NONE of the cases bearing the marks of mortgage elimination scheme arguments have prevailed, and there are no class-actions that have anything to do with the kinds of bogus arguments promoted by the scammers.

sopsback said...

"And I'm far more familiar with current mortgage cases and case law than you appear to be.





o corse yo r. bein that yo a reel jung raw beans....



jung, yo shud try kooking yo bean sumtims, they better fo yo.



but yo beter stop flashing peple in yo rancoot, o they gonna arrest yo, an then yo be in front of a real junke.


like the website say..."this world is full of all kind of inhabited beans from all differnent plants..."

strat said...

Bean are you so inexperienced in legal matters or just plain ignorant?
Banks dont have a legal responsibility to respond? lol

Even 2 parties that have never entered into contract have to answer 30 day letters from a stranger, that much more so for 2 parties with a valid contract under affidavit.

Are you so wet behind the ears that you don't even know that a collection agency can send you a letter saying you owe us money (for anything, true or not)and give you 30 days to respond and say otherwise. and if you dont respond to the letter and are silent, that is enough for them to get a judgement in court, even when the alleged debt never had anything to do with you and you never had a contract with them AND the debt can be from someone elses account. and when you go to appeal, the fact that you didnt repsond in the 30 day period is what they use for the motion denied.
It happens everyday in court.

You seriously don't even know that much? sheesh

Please remove judge from you username, because either you really are not, or you are just ignorant.
In either case you are not worth taking seriously.


Again, please state for the record...
Are you seriously so ignorant that you dont even know that much?

Do and try and come up with an semi intelligent response to your own post that you made will you?

Judge Roy Bean said...

Strat blathered: Even 2 parties that have never entered into contract have to answer 30 day letters from a stranger, that much more so for 2 parties with a valid contract under affidavit."

So you think you can just make up a demand letter to a complete stranger you have no contract with and then win a case against them?

You're hardly worth the time to type this.

And the relevance to mortgages secured by deeds of trust is?

You're trying to mix apples and walnuts.

sopsback said...

WOW!


this guy even nuttier than al trunips site....




http://blog.myspace.com/
tom_heneghan_intel





an i ma not the bigest shillary fan, but yo cant kep mixing up her name...


fist yo say its shillary rodenhurst, then the other bullsh reports say its shillary rodinski


i meen, come on, let get it str8. witch is it????


yo gonna loose yo credbilly reel fas.

sopsback said...

The Neoconservative Agenda to Sacrifice the Fifth Fleet



The New Pearl Harbor



By Michael E. Salla, M.A., Ph.D.



11/08/07



The Bush administration has covered up and ignored dissenting Pentagon war games analysis that suggests an attack on Iran’s nuclear or military facilities will lead directly to the annihilation of the Navy’s Fifth Fleet now stationed in the Persian Gulf. Lt. General Paul Van Riper led a hypothetical Persian Gulf state in the 2002 Millennium Challenge wargames that resulted in the destruction of the Fifth Fleet. His experience and conclusions regarding the vulnerability of the Fifth Fleet to an assymetrical military conflict with Iran have been ignored. Neoconservatives within the Bush administration are currently aggressively promoting a range of military actions against Iran that will culminate in it attacking the US Navy’s Fifth Fleet with sophisticated cruise anti-ship missiles. They are ignoring Van Riper’s experiences in the Millennium Challenge and how it applies to the current nuclear conflict with Iran.

www.informationclearinghouse.
info/article18687.htm

strat said...

I did request semi-intelligent nicely didnt I?

No, I'm not saying anyone can go type anything and get away with it becuse it is a affidavit. don't put words in ppl's mouths to try and change the issue.
I stated a fact that you obviously can not defend by your lack of knowledge.

The issue is does a collection agency do it. FACT. YES.
Do they get away with it in court. FACT. YES. EVERYDAY.
How, by silence and failure to RESPOND to a letter in 30 days, not even a affidavit, just a demand letter, and still win. FACT

YOU are the one comparing 2 different things and want to tie that FACT into every suijuris affidavit ever presented and compare one to the other, and NO that is not what I am saying. Nice try.
btw are you the apple or the nut?

What I am saying is that the collection agencies do that everyday in court. That is fact. By failing to respond.
Are you denying that too, that's made-up too huh? I guess so. if you type it.

We will leave it at that then, that the collection agencies NEVER get away with that and it never happens in court because you said so! That the collection agencies have NEVER won a summary judgement by silence because you have said so!


it seems that you really didn't know that collection agencies can do that.
but you 'typed' that you dont have to respond to letters received.
don't let me interrupt.
do continue to keep your head in the sand.

We'll just leave it at that,
Good enough bean, no harm no foul.
It shows me what your level of knowledge is and I will save you any further embarassment by not commenting on it.

Judge Roy Bean said...

Strat - get a clue. You're late to the game. You can see what I think of collection vultures on my blog.

And you're seriously confused.

My point is and has always been there are sharks out there who will take advantage of people.

But there are also scam artists like Johnson and Gliha, etc., etc., who lead people with completely legitimate complaints into utter nonsensical processes that doom them and ultimately only add their opponent's legal fees to their misery.

sopsback said...

lol! said...



Almost all of the most powerful people in the world are clones: the U.S. President, the U.S. Vice President, almost all of the U.S. Senate, almost all of the U.S. Congress, most heads of government, Judge Raw Beans, etc. on a State and even City level, especially the big cities.

The Queen of England is a clone, the Pope, the heads of "most" religions and evangelical movements, the heads of major banks, Henry Kissinger, etc. In other words, if any souled being gets to a position of power and refuses to follow all of the rules given to them by the true controllers of this planet, they are killed and replaced by a clone of them.
Now, I need to bring you back again to the point of why this all has been a good thing for you to experience.


Even today, President Bush has had 47 replacement clones activated to keep the illusion going that he is still alive and functioning. The soul that was this president, is no longer in this realm. Some might say he is in "limbo" while others would explain that he has gone to where all souls go upon death of their physical body. Anyway, he is dead and so are his mother, father and wife.
I know this will come as a shock to many of you, maybe even most of you.

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"...has had 47 replacement clones activated..."



geez, the neveready bunny must be sellin a lot of batrees....

47... lol!

this article a week ole. must be at lest up to good ole 66 by now, no???

sopsback said...

Perhaps some of you saw the photo on the Internet about a year ago showing President Bush in his pickup truck in Texas with a black box on the back of his shirt. Well, that box, although rumored to be a receiver for advice from someone telling him what to say to the press and other people, was really part of a programming device because this was a new clone put in place.

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i thawt something look differnent.......even a clon isn a "exact" dooplicat like a zerox copy. yo gut some streak maks....

sopsback said...

One more tricky thing you lonely ones are going to have to decide for yourself is whether or not you would ever have a clone for a lover or a mate. Yes, that is the latest talk about cloning on your planet so that you will be more open to accepting clones as friends.

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i no, its hard to do.

jus look at all the cones on this blaaaaaaaaaaagggghhhhh.....



yo got....


raw beans wo thiks he a reel junge...



he jus lik yo say, he a con, i meen a clon...clown??

Judge Roy Bean said...

Can somebody please delete the garbage from sop?

There really are people who come here with a need to understand what might be happening to them, and it appears a truly deranged kid or an automated garbage generator is needlessly posting nonsense to drive people away.

sopsback said...

Judge Roy Bean said...

Can somebody please delete the garbage from sop?



"yes, yo dishonor"


"sho, yo humor"


jus call the bailiff, and he will tak me away.


beans, yo goota stop playin jung

yo the one psychotropic meds, yo no...


and if yo dun stop flashin peeple in yo raincoot, yo goanna wine up like that sender from i-da-ho


stay aways from pubic restooms

sopsback said...

btw, anynone hear the remoot viewer on gorg nory show on early fri mornong??


he say that sum reel bad sh*t comin down the pike


first, he say that jung beans gonna get hung by his b*lls jus like sadlam.

then he reely be the "hangin jung" when he hangin by his tentacles


lolololol!!!!!!!!



seeriusly, RM sean david morton, goota be a cia operative

some o the thins he say was to buy lots of gold as the doolla gonna become wurtless.....no kiddin?


and sliver is goint to $30/ox becasue the NWO when they put in the AMERO is going to only use real sliver in they coins.

he say they already makin them in danver but sosedly its eelegal what they doin


he also say withing 12 monts, a nuke gong to be used somewhere in the worl.


he also say they going to be a BIG QUAK on the waste coast......

(AM i movin?)
lolololol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sopsback said...

10 November 2007
0147 HRS EDT

The Saeqeh trucks have been moved within range of Liberty

If the Wanta issue is not resolved by Tuesday, a launch will be authorized

This issue has been festering long enough. If the cheerleader continues to interfere, she will be taken out Tuesday.

habakkuk said...

Judge Roy Bean said.....

There really are people who come here with a need to understand what might be happening to them, and it appears a truly deranged kid or an automated garbage generator is needlessly posting nonsense to drive people away.

___________________________________

You got your own blog...go back to it

sopsback said...

IF yo a baker, yo mite wanna cosider geetin a P.O. Box...


al turnip dun like yo to much....





"By "punish" I mean go after them - physically - and deliver the justice they rightly deserve for ruining the greatest nation on earth.

After we take care of the politicians, we're going to have go after the Bankers in the federal reserve - and quite probably have to "whack" them too.

Of course, there will also have to be some serious penalties imposed upon the corporate Boards of directors here in the US who have shipped our jobs offshore. They too will suffer severe consequences when the collapse comes.

Don't fret: I have all their home addresses.

Delivering justice will be as simple as visiting this web site to find the elected officials, bankers and Board of Directors members nearest you!

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......ya, yo mite thik bout yoozin a P.O. Box.........

sopsback said...

turnip,

is it realy necessary to put the video on you site of some guy getting a beating??

really now?

what are you trying to accomplish here?


you really want to make it easy for everyone to get along, dont you?


youre going to set race relations back 100 years with this sh*t.


YOU NOTICE I AM SERIOUS.

I HAVENT PURPOSELY MISSPELLED ANY WORDS.

WAKE UP!

YOU ARE JUST AS BAD AS THE BANKERS YOU DERIDE!

you do have some good stuff, but some of the bad stuff is making you lose credibility.

sopsback said...

this is what i am talkin about form your site:



Published 9 November 2007 2300 HRS EDT

Dear Police Officers
As a public service, I offer this training video

sopsback said...

so much for the bible to say to have love in your hearts for your fellow man....


how is it that you can see the evil bankers and what they do but not understand that this same evil has manifested on others in a different way using them to enable their agenda???


they have been just as affected by what the evil does as those who got screwed on a loan.

can you see this or is it over your head??

and yes, some are striking out becasue the evil bankers and pols happen to be white, but even they dont know that they dont represent white peple at all. they rep themselves and the evil that put them there.

but non whites dont/cant see this either.


mostly all the pols and bankers are white.

do they represent you interests???


NO!

so wha does that tell you???

sopsback said...

whats the yoose???


mabee even yoself pretend to help, but reely all yo is work fo lou minotti too......



noone reely gonna hep till shiloh come......

sopsback said...

turnip, fo yo o good, yo shud repent,


can yo see that yo runnig out of times.....that one book is very shortly to be closed and a new book open???

the new book is titled:


"THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM"

and we soon gonna start reeding on page 1

so yo betr get yo sh*t tehter if yo no what gook go yo.


bleeeve me, yo not gonna like this book if yo still here and dun repnt..

truss me!

see, coss yo dun even have a

C-L-U-E wha this gospel is.



wha can i tell yo???


lokk it up on goggle, or wickedpeedee

they dun no eether.


if yo hurry, we still on the last page of the GOSPEL OF GRACE......


HINT: GOSPEL OF GRACE- yeshua pay off you sins


GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM:
yo gonna pay fo yo sins YOSELF.




....maybee yo in the dg, so thinks yo have pleenty of $$$ to pay yo sins........

NOT!

sopsback said...

seriusly,

yo dun wanna study the gospel of grace, then yo better get a heds up and benign to study the "GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM" and fine out what yo gonna have to do then, coss it lokks lik yo still be here by then.........

neodemes said...

hab sez: "You got your own blog...go back to it"

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Where is the love, hab?

1 Corinthians 13

1If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.
2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.

4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
9For we know in part and we prophesy in part,
10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears.
11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me.
12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

sopsback said...

gee, it surmise me, even nickels got sum widom.....how yo no my favorite versus:




"If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing."

sopsback said...

now, mabee jung beens can tcob sum business wen he preesids over the case;

now be honus junge....




Subpoenas served over foreclosures

Ohio investigating multiple mortgage companies

Saturday, November 10, 2007 3:43 AM

By Tracy Turner

THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

Mortgage companies yesterday were served with subpoenas as the state of Ohio began seeking evidence of wrongdoing as part of a get-tough approach to dealing with the state's continuing foreclosure crisis.

The legal action made good on a vow by the state to go after lenders, whose wrongdoing officials blame for some of the foreclosure problems. This comes on the heels of the lenders' refusal this week to go along with a state plan to work out problem loans instead of foreclosing.

The subpoenas, numbering more than a dozen, were issued to "multiple companies in multiple levels of the industry" by the Ohio attorney general's office. They seek evidence of violations of antitrust, civil-rights and consumer-sales-practice laws.

Ted Hart, spokesman for Attorney General Marc Dann, said the state could not discuss the specifics of the requests in the subpoenas.

Meanwhile, an association representing some the nation's largest mortgage lenders called for a summit on the foreclosure crisis attended by its members, Gov. Ted Strickland and other state officials.

The call for a "frank and open dialogue" came from the Mortgage Bankers Association, a national group, and its Ohio counterpart.

Although no lender responded to Strickland's call to sign a "compact" promising to work out loans instead of foreclosing, the Ohio Mortgage Bankers Association this week offered an alternative plan on behalf of its members. Strickland said he rejected it because it did not come from individual banks and lacked specifics.

Strickland remains open to talking with the lenders, but a summit is not likely to happen, said Keith Dailey, a spokesman for the governor's office.

Dailey said the governor met with the 11 top subprime servicers in April and convened a foreclosure task force of government, financial-industry and nonprofit-sector representatives to address the state's growing housing crisis.

"Now is the time for action," Dailey said. "The trade association's request does not meet the standard of a serious and meaningful commitment to help more Ohioans stay in their homes."

This comes as thousands of Ohioans continue to lose their homes to foreclosure. The state ranked No. 5 in the nation based on the rate of foreclosure in the third quarter. A total of 46,818 homes went into foreclosure during that period, representing one foreclosure filing for every 107 households, according to RealtyTrac, an online marketplace for foreclosed properties.

Subprime loans generally have adjustable rates that rise a number of times, sometimes leaving consumers with mortgage payments that are hundreds of dollars a month more than when they first signed.

Washington Mutual, which is among the largest holders of subprime mortgages in Ohio, was among the lenders who refused to agree to Strickland's plan. The Seattle-based bank instead said it's helping consumers through the subprime-borrower program the bank began this spring to help prevent foreclosure, spokeswoman Libby Hutchinson said in an e-mail.

"We will continue to implement the borrower-assistance efforts we've had under way for many years," she said.

Although the Ohio bankers association said it regrets that it and its mortgage-servicing members "could not finalize a mutually acceptable compact agreement with Ohio officials ... progress has been made," Bill Cosgrove, the group's president, said in a statement.

Ohio is among a growing number of states that have increased efforts to investigate mortgage lenders.

The New York attorney general this week announced subpoenas to government-sponsored lenders Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as part of that state's investigation of the mortgage industry's home appraisal practices.

But Ohio appears to be the first state to issue subpoenas directly to other subprime lenders.

"For large banking and securities matters, most states leave a lot of regulation to the federal government," said Alan C. Michaels, an Ohio State University law professor specializing in white-collar crime. "It is the exception, not the rule, for a state to take it on itself."

Information from the Associated Press was included in this story.

tturner@dispatch.com

sopsback said...

funny that somenone sent a person i no thru a blog (not this one) to a guy re: mortages who referred who said that he couldnt help them but siad to call the FBI in clevlan which acutally has an office in cleevlan that works nothing but predator lending actiosn.

they said when yo get the FBI in clevelan to ask for the "predatory lending desk"


this was about 8 moths ago so i never thawt anyting of it. but i guss that the fudds were wurking the cass all alon.....

hockeydonn said...

Bean and others,

I have heard time and time again that none of the "followers" or dorean have spelled out using the law that what they have done has any basis in law.

The fact is that you may have not read any of the Dorean presentments or the law that is accompanied by their confirming court cases cited in the presentments.

Of course the facts could be that you have read them but conveniently left that out.

All I have read thus far from you is that everything Dorean has done is dumb, stupid and retared. But I have not seen and presentment of law to back what you say is law or isn't law.

Now, is it true that some individuals have tried to present to the courts case law to support their position?

Yes it is true. I was one of them. Do you know what I was told?

"Don't read me the law." said Judge Kalakathis.

Then the Judge continued to talk over me so that the poor recorder did not know what to type. Thus nothing got entered into the record. Consequently, I was denied discovery in the case. Interesting isn't it. I was denied discovery! It is quite amazing that the court ruled that no discovery was required in the case. Even though I was the defendant and everything I requested was to have been presented by the plantiff in order to even have a case. Why because they didn't want any REAL evidence in the case. That would not only make the situation less colorable but also expose what was acctually going on. If the evidence is entered in then the case is ussually sealed. (just one purpose for sealing a case)

In short I was railroaded.

I personally happen to be less opptomistic about the law and those who "uphold" it than some of the others who see the truth in the Dorean cause. That's because the law is only as good as those who uphold it. Since the system is tainted by greed and deception there really is no law!!

If Kurt and Scott are not aquitted, I believe it will be because of rouge, kangaroo courts dictating without authority against already confirmed case law. Not because of the Law.

If they are aquited it will be because the Jury upheld what is written as law and saw through the color that blocked their view of the truth. If the law is to be upheld it will be upheld by the people not the Courts/banks.

I think you know this too Bean. However, because most people who are ignorant of what is really happening here can't understand your comments for what they really are, they may have a tendancy to be believed.

For instance, you say that a respondant can not be held to account for a claim by tacit procuration. However, you never state where the law says that is impossible. Now, ofcourse the books only say what the law is not what the law isn't. Just explain how the law that Dorean has presented to support their claim is "jibberish." You have miserably failed to do that. You only say the courts will not uphold that claim. I agree with you that the courts will not uphold that. But that is not because it is a false claim or that tacit procuration is unenforcable. It is because the courts (by enlarge)are not so interested in the law.(esspecially when banks are envolved. After all the ban IS the court according to Blacks law 4th)

My experience with the law and lawyers is that many of the new law grads will say when they get out into practice that the law doesn't mean what they thought it did when they were in school.

That's because what happens in courts is generally about %30 law (generously)and the rest is negotiations that are colored so well that any "new comer" doesn't have a clue as to what is acctually happening.

The court knows this and it gives them a powerfull edge. Why do you think Alsup wanted to get the latest word to the Jury in aid to the prosecution? Because what he wanted to tell them wasn't really about the law it was about what he wanted the jury to believe the law was. That is not Justice. That is a lie.

In truth, if Kurt and Scott did not have a Jury Trial they would been railroaded unconcienably. Here they are able to have the oppurtunity to display the courts/banks dishonesty to the Jury who is not tainted by the mischievious thumb of the bank/court.(hopefully)

I have learned that the courts and banks will stop at nothing to keep their secret hidden.

Even if it means putting a foney Judge on the dorean blog or any other blog to color any truth that is given here.

I would have thought that you would have opted for a former CEO of a bank to testify in order for you to feel that Kurt had a credible witness. I should have known that you would have only thought he/she would have had any credibility if they supported your theories.

If this CEO was to have made allot of money telling the story of what is going on, there must be allot of people listening. Afterall, didn't someone mention that he isa BESTSELLING AUTHOR?

Sleep tight.

Just for thought.

habakkuk said...

"Where is the love, hab?"

Good greif....give it a rest.

sopsback said...

now lookey wha the mayo of momon city 1/2 to say bout it:

THUS:





October 27, 2007

City & County Building

Salt Lake City, Utah Address

by Mayor Ross C. "Rocky" Anderson

"Today, as we come together once again in this great city, we raise our voices in unison to say to President Bush, to Vice President Cheney, to other members of the Bush Administration (past and present), to a majority of Congress, including Utah's entire congressional delegation, and to much of the mainstream media: "You have failed us miserably and we won't take it any more!"

"While we had every reason to expect far more of you, you have been pompous, greedy, cruel, and incompetent as you have led this great nation to a moral, military, and national security abyss.

You have breached trust with the American people in the most egregious ways. You have utterly failed in the performance of your jobs. You have undermined our Constitution, permitted the violation of the most fundamental treaty obligations, and betrayed the rule of law.

You have engaged in, or permitted, heinous human rights abuses of the sort never before countenanced in our nation's history as a matter of official policy. You have sent American men and women to kill and be killed on the basis of lies, on the basis of shifting justifications, without competent leadership, and without even a coherent plan for this monumental blunder.

We are here to tell you: We won't take it any more!

You have acted in direct contravention of values that we, as Americans who love our country, hold dear. You have deceived us in the most cynical, outrageous ways. You have undermined, or allowed the undermining of, our constitutional system of checks and balances among the three presumed co-equal branches of government. You have helped lead our nation to the brink o fascism, of a dictatorship contemptuous of our nation's treaty obligations, federal statutory law, our Constitution, and the rule of law.

Because of you, and because of your jingoistic false 'patriotism,' our world is far more dangerous, our nation is far more despised, and the threat of terrorism is far greater than ever before. It has been absolutely astounding how you have committed the most horrendous acts, causing such needless tragedy in the lives of millions of people, yet you wear your so-called religion on your sleeves, asserting your God-is-on-my-side nonsense - when what you have done flies in the face of any religious or humanitarian tradition. Your hypocrisy is mind-boggling - and disgraceful.

What part of "Thou shalt not kill" do you not understand? What part of the "Golden Rule" do you not understand? What part of "be honest," "be responsible," and "be accountable" don't you understand? What part of "Blessed are the peacekeepers" do you not understand?

Because of you, hundreds of thousands of people have been killed, many thousands of people have suffered horrendous lifetime injuries, and millions have been run off from their homes. For the sake of our nation, for the sake of our children, and for the sake of our brothers and sisters around the world, we are morally compelled to say, as loudly as we can, 'We won't take it any more!' "

As United States agents kidnap, [cause to] disappear, and torture human beings around the world, you justify, you deceive, and you cover up. We find what you have done to men, women and children, and to the good name and reputation of the United States, so appalling, so unconscionable, and so outrageous as to compel us to call upon you to step aside and allow other men and women who are competent, true to our nation's values, and with high moral principles to stand in your places - for the good of our nation, for the good of our children, and for the good of our world.

In the case of the President and Vice President, this means impeachment and removal from office, without any further delay from a complacent, complicit Congress, the Democratic majority of which cares more about political gain in 2008 than it does about the vindication of our Constitution, the rule of law, and democratic accountability. It means the election of people as President and Vice President who, unlike most of the presidential candidates from both major parties, have not aided and abetted in the perpetration of the illegal, tragic, devastating invasion and occupation of Iraq. And it means the election of people as President and Vice President who will commit to return our nation to the moral and strategic imperative of refraining from torturing human beings.

In the case of the majority of Congress, it means electing people who are diligent enough to learn the facts, including reading available National Intelligence Estimates, before voting to go to war. It means electing to Congress men and women who will jealously guard Congress's sole prerogative to declare war. It means electing to Congress men and women who will not submit like vapid lap dogs to presidential requests for blank checks to engage in so-called preemptive wars, for legislation permitting warrantless wiretapping of communications involving US citizens, and for dangerous, irresponsible, saber-rattling legislation like the recent Kyl-Lieberman amendment.

We must avoid the trap of focusing the blame solely upon President Bush and Vice-President Cheney. This is not just about a few people who have wronged our country - and the world. They were enabled by members of both parties in Congress, they were enabled by the pathetic mainstream news media, and, ultimately, they have been enabled by the American people - 40% of whom are so ill-informed they still think Iraq was behind the 9/11 attacks - a people who know and care more about baseball statistics and which drunken starlets are wearing underwear than they know and care about the atrocities being committed every single day in our name by a government for which we need to take responsibility.

As loyal Americans, without regard to political partisanship -- as veterans, as teachers, as religious leaders, as working men and women, as students, as professionals, as businesspeople, as public servants, as retirees, as people of all ages, races, ethnic origins, sexual orientations, and faiths -- we are here to say to the Bush administration, to the majority of Congress, and to the mainstream media: "You have violated your solemn responsibilities. You have undermined our democracy, spat upon our Constitution, and engaged in outrageous, despicable acts. You have brought our nation to a point of immorality, inhumanity, and illegality of immense, tragic, unprecedented proportions."

"But we will live up to our responsibilities as citizens, as brothers and sisters of those who have suffered as a result of the imperial bullying of the United States government, and as moral actors who must take a stand: And we will, and must, mean it when we say 'We won't take it any more."

"If we want principled, courageous elected officials, we need to be principled, courageous, and tenacious ourselves. History has demonstrated that our elected officials are not the leaders - the leadership has to come from us. If we don't insist, if we don't persist, then we are not living up to our responsibilities as citizens in a democracy - and our responsibilities as moral human beings. If we remain silent, we signal to Congress and the Bush administration - and to candidates running for office - and to the world - that we support the status quo.

Silence is complicity. Only by standing up for what's right and never letting down can we say we are doing our part. Our government, on the basis of a campaign we now know was entirely fraudulent, attacked and militarily occupied a nation that posed no danger to the United States. Our government, acting in our name, has caused immense, unjustified death and destruction.

It all started five years ago, yet where have we, the American people, been? At this point, we are responsible. We get together once in a while at demonstrations and complain about Bush and Cheney, about Congress, and about the pathetic news media. We point fingers and yell a lot. Then most people politely go away until another demonstration a few months later.

How many people can honestly say they have spent as much time learning about and opposing the outrages of the Bush administration as they have spent watching sports or mindless television programs during the past five years? Escapist, time-sapping sports and insipid entertainment have indeed become the opiate of the masses. Why is this country so sound asleep? Why do we abide what is happening to our nation, to our Constitution, to the cause of peace and international law and order? Why are we not doing all in our power to put an end to this madness?

We should be in the streets regularly and students should be raising hell on our campuses. We should be making it clear in every way possible that apologies or convoluted, disingenuous explanations just don't cut it when presidential candidates and so many others voted to authorize George Bush and his neo-con buddies to send American men and women to attack and occupy Iraq.

Let's awaken, and wake up the country by committing here and now to do all each of us can to take our nation back. Let them hear us across the country, as we ask others to join us: "We won't take it any more!"

I implore you: Draw a line. Figure out exactly where your own moral breaking point is. How much will you put up with before you say "No more" and mean it?

I have drawn my line as a matter of simple personal morality: I cannot, and will not, support any candidate who has voted to fund the atrocities in Iraq. I cannot, and will not, support any candidate who will not commit to remove all US troops, as soon as possible, from Iraq. I cannot, and will not, support any candidate who has supported legislation that takes us one step closer to attacking Iran. I cannot, and will not, support any candidate who has not fought to stop the kidnapping, disappearances, and torture being carried on in our name.

If we expect our nation's elected officials to take us seriously, let us send a powerful message they cannot misunderstand. Let them know we really do have our moral breaking point. Let them know we have drawn a bright line. Let them know they cannot take our support for granted - that, regardless of their party and regardless of other political considerations, they will not have our support if they cannot provide, and have not provided, principled leadership.

The people of this nation may have been far too quiet for five years, but let us pledge that we won't let it go on one more day - that we will do all we can to put an end to the illegalities, the moral degradation, and the disintegration of our nation's reputation in the world.

Let us be unified in drawing the line - in declaring that we do have a moral breaking point. Let us insist, together, in supporting our troops and in gratitude for the freedoms for which our veterans gave so much, that we bring our troops home from Iraq, that we return our government to a constitutional democracy, and that we commit to honoring the fundamental principles of human rights.

In defense of our country, in defense of our Constitution, in defense of our shared values as Americans - and as moral human beings - we declare today that we will fight in every way possible to stop the insanity, stop the continued military occupation of Iraq, and stop the moral depravity reflected by the kidnapping, disappearing, and torture of people around the world.

sopsback said...

somenow, i dun thik the press is listing.........




"....you have done abominations in the sight of the LORD..."




a bible beginner always find this verse curious....as if one could have done the aboms hidden from the LORD?


"...maybe if we do this abmoniton behind a rock, the LORD wont see us..."


the LORD has His own "all-seeing eye"

sopsback said...

its NOT the one on the back the dollar bill....

Judge Roy Bean said...

hockey - you jump to a lot of conclusions that demonstrate you aren't interested the real world, only the fantasy created by people who promote these schemes then blame the courts and lawyers when their nonsense doesn't work.

Please, if all the courts are wrong and all the Judges are corrupt and the banks really do run them, why don't you just figure out a way to start your own little world where you don't have to deal with the law?

In the mean time, those of us who do take predators to task and assist their victims would ask that you kindly get the Hell out of the way and stop luring victims into utterly nonsensical, time-wasting and expensive schemes THAT DON'T WORK.

The industry does lose cases. But not on the idiot grounds you keep trying to foist on people.

You're throwing cinderblocks to struggling swimmers.

sopsback said...

nice to see everyNONE gettin along....


catlicks, momons, prostates, babble fondle mentalists, babstits, presbyoptians, etc. etc......

sopsback said...

sum them other sits must be CIA....seem they never post on weakends....????????????

"if i aint gettin payed, i aint comin' in and i aint posten..."

sopsback said...

wah abut tha allstara site??


they work weakends???

nah, they all-stars there.

they only wurks 9-5

bakers hours.....


WHAT!?

sopsback said...

wha yo doon on 11-19-07???






Predictions & Cycles


Futurist and intuitive Sean David Morton returned to share his predictions and insights. He discussed how humanity is affected by different cycles. For instance, a shift of energy starts with the beginning of the '5th night of the Mayan Calendar', November 19, 2007, and will run through Nov. 12, 2008. This will be a time of deep crisis for the "globalist materialist culture," he said.

Among Morton's predictions and comments:

# We'll see atomic weapons used in the next 13 months, with Syria, Iran or Pakistan-India likely being involved.

# The foreclosure crisis will continue to affect the housing market in the US, and home prices will drop to pre-2000 levels in most areas of the country in the next year.

# The international monetary system is collapsing. France is broke, and Germany is not far behind. With the US dollar dropping, the EU can't export goods. There'll be riots in France by Jan-Feb 2008.

# The US dollar will continue to fall in value, until it's on the level of the Mexican peso. At that point, America, Canada & Mexico will have a shared currency, the Amero, which will be backed by silver.

# Silver will hit $30 by next year, and gold will rise to $1200 within one year.

# Southern California will have a savagely cold winter this year, with flooding in the San Diego area due to the fires. The Northeast will also have a harsh winter.

# Pennsylvania could have unusual quake activity in the next 90 days.

# The 'colony bee collapse' situation has been brought about by inferior queen bees purchased from China.

# Recommended alternative health care facilities include Reno Integrative and Bio Care Hospital.

# May 27-29, 2010 will mark another harmonic convergence, and it'll be 1,000 times more powerful than the one in 1987. A pulse from the center of galaxy will arrive (as predicted by the Mayans) causing a change in the quality of sunlight, and this will have positive effects on human brain chemistry.

Judge Roy Bean said...

Hockeydonn - let me guess, you bought into the conspiracy crap, went pro se and decided you were going to tell a sitting Judge with decades of experience what the law was, right?

Instead of objecting, making a coherent argument and then getting a ruling (which might be grounds for appeal) you bought off on something you learned off the 'net and made a fool of yourself while paving the way to victory for the other side.

The sad part is, you might have had a viable case. You wasted your time with what I like to refer to as a do-it-yourself vasectomy.

Would you try that if you read crap on the Internet that said you couldn't trust doctors and gave you step-by-step instructions on how to do it?

Then why would you believe similar nonsense from crackpots who have no skin in the game at all? Did any of them come to your aid or help you with an appeal?

All they have to do is sit back and tell you you did something wrong - you didn't quite do it right. It worked for somebody they know or they've seen it work. And if that fails, all they have to do is fall back on the vast financial conspiracy crap when their nonsense theories fall apart in the real world of a trial.

And you're their victim, but you still promote their nonsense.

sopsback said...

fo those not lucky nuff to be with the dg, then go buy some sliver.

one analist say it gonna reach $8000/oz

yes, tahts right.


go read here...



http://silverstockreport.com
/2007/rosen_interview.html

sopsback said...

an excerpt from the above:



JH: "Going back a century, virtually every major country in the world was using gold and silver as currency. Today, no country uses either metal as currency, yet gold has been hoarded by the central banks of the world, but not silver. In all of history nearly 5.0 bilion ozs. (155,000 tonnes) of gold have been mined with over 90% of that gold still existing. On the other hand, of the total 45 billion ounces of silver ever mined, about 9% remains, the rest has been consumed. Doing the math, the total value of existing gold equals about $3.3 trillion, yet for silver only $52 billion!. At the end of World War-2, total known stocks of silver amounted to about 10 billion ounces, with the U.S. government holding 4 billion ounces. Now, total stocks are down to well under one billion ounces, a reduction of about 95%, with the U.S. government's stockpile virtually gone. Silver's growing use in electronics since WW-2 has helped to dwindle those once-huge silver supplies. In this regard, looking to the future of China and other once-underdeveloped nations, their use of silver should expand greatly as their populations prosper and they join the "consumer age."

neodemes said...

habakkuk said...

Good greif....give it a rest.

**********************************

Hebrews 4

1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

sopsback said...

i hop that yo all can get along with yo wifs, coss we may be goin to marital law soon.....


chekc yo WBRs......



11 Nov 2007

THE PROVOST MARSHAL MAY RESORT TO MARTIAL LAW




(corse it would be repoted on the 11th......

sopsback said...

hey hokeydonn....


yo a real hokey fan??


so, then tell me???

who scored their 3rd straight game winning goal last night?

CLUE: he plays fo the n.y. icelanders of the NHL

whos kingdom is this?????

habakkuk said...

Actually Neo, if you want to cut and paste JUST scripture without your comment thats fine with me.

sopsback said...

The receivers of the United States Bankruptcy are the International Bankers, via the United Nations, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund.

All United States Offices, Officials, and Departments are now operating within a defacto status in name only under Emergency War Powers. With the Constitutional Republican form of Government now dissolved, the receivers of the Bankruptcy have adopted a new form of government for the United States.

This new form of government is known as a Democracy, being an established Socialist/Communist order under a new governor for America.

This act was instituted and established by transferring and/or placing the Office of the Secretary of Treasury to that of the Governor of the International Monetary Fund.


Public Law 94-564, page 8, Section H. R. 13955 reads in part: "The U.S. Secretary of Treasury receives no compensation for representing the United States?"

-------------------



SOT: yo meen yo wurks fo free!?

WOOW! yo reely a nice guy.

yo shud hook up with jung beens. he woks fo free too!

sopsback said...

The Federal Reserve System is a sovereign power structure separate and distinct from the federal United States government.


The Federal Reserve is a maritime lender, and/or maritime insurance underwriter to the federal United States operating exclusively under Admiralty/Maritime law.

The lender underwriter bears the risks, and the Maritime law compelling specific performance in paying the interest, or premiums are the same.

Assets of the debtor can also be hypothecated (to pledge something as a security without taking possession of it) as security by the lender or underwriter.

The Federal Reserve Act stipulated that the interest on the debt was to be paid in gold.

There was no stipulation in the Federal Reserve Act for ever paying the principal.

-------------------



"The Federal Reserve is a maritime lender, and/or maritime insurance underwriter to the federal United States operating exclusively under Admiralty/Maritime law.




yo, say that again?

hockeydonn said...

Whoa Whoa Whoa,

Beans,

Slow Down there sport you are way too angry.

Just take a deep breath and let it out.

Beans, you have perfectly illistrated my point. I don't think you could have responded with more color if I had predicted it myself.

For the record, I did not enlist in the Dorean debt discharge process. Nor have I ever had Kurt or Scott as trustee's. I do not follow or lead blindly.

I take responsibility for my own choices and do not expect someone to rescue me in uncharted waters.

Now at times I have ventured in faith. However, I believe there is a great difference between faith and blind faith, don't you.

I think all I asked of you was to "Just explain how the law that Dorean has presented to support their claim is "jibberish.""

Again, "you have miserably failed to do that."

No, Beans I don't want to start my own little world where the law doesn't apply. That's the problem we have now.

What I want is for the laws that my forefathers faught for and those that followed to be reinstated and/or upheld.

The fact is beans, that I did object to the judges candure. However, he continued to talk over me. Now, Was I less experienced at the time? Sure! Does that make it OK for the Judge, NO.

See Beans, it doesn't matter if the Judge has 2 decades of expeience or 10. According to his oath of office he is still bound to uphold the law/constitution. If he is presented with the law and it's confirming court cases then there is no more issue for him to decide. The intent of congress has already been inturpreted and that's it.

See Beans, we are talking about courts of law. Not courts of equity.

I am not the one who defined a bank. According to blacks law 4th a bank is "a court or seat of the judges..." Head down to your local law library and look it up. You just keep your head out of dark places and you'll be fine.

That's right beans, some of us have went to the law libraries and confirmed our "ideas" for our selves.

I do wonder where lawyers and their leagal assistants get there case law and confirming courtcases. From the internet, right? I guess that would mean that not everything on the internet is "jibberish" right?

Now, I have done my homework and studied for myself. I will say that I have confimed some of the so called "crack pot ideas" and found other "crack pot ideas" wanting.

I wander how much time you have acctually researched these "crack pot" ideas to see whether they held any water. Or did you just read some internet sight or some blog or maybe a news report and come to a blind conclusion.

However, I am carying on a conversation with someone on the internet right now who doesn't carry much weight so I'd better know the facts right?

See it doesn't hold too much water for me to have someone who claims to be a judge with some old farts picture attached to their user name claiming to have all the answers.

Your right, Beans. I am throwing cinderblocks to struggling swimmers. So, you need to jump ship quick cause your sinking fast.

near the end said...

hockeydonn just made judgeroy look like the idiot that he is. Good job.

Judge Roy Bean said...

Hockeydonn - what the heck is "candure" and how can you frame a coherent objection to it?

I'm not impressed that you have been to the law libraries. Reading is not the equivalent of understanding and snippets of things rarely add up to consequential decisions.

What you allegedly present may or may not be the proper interpretation of the law. Just because you read something and you think you understand it doesn't make it the law.

You're the perfect example of why it is so hard to win against the financial services industry. You have bought into nonsense and are seriously confused about how to present a cogent, factual argument that has a valid legal foundation.

Please, the next time you need surgery, be sure to tell the anesthesiologist how to administer the right mix of chemicals so you won't feel what is being done to you. And don't forget to advise them all on the proper sterile technique for the procedure. Then make sure you self-prescribe the proper pre and post-surgery meds to prevent infection, or worse, a stroke.

Get a clue. You've been drinking the koolaid from the lunatic fringe and are unhappy you lost.

Again - you may have had a completely winnable complaint, but you're your own worst enemey because you're gullible.

Judge Roy Bean said...

Hockeydonn said: "That's right beans, some of us have went to the law libraries and confirmed our "ideas" for our selves."

Yep. You done went to the law libraries and done lost in court.

hockeydonn said...

Beans,

That's right!The law is only as good as those who uphold it. If there is no one who will honor the law then there is no law.

Your starting to catch on.

sopsback said...

sopsback said...

hey hokeydonn....


yo a real hokey fan??


so, then tell me???

who scored their 3rd straight game winning goal last night?

CLUE: he plays fo the n.y. icelanders of the NHL

whos kingdom is this?????


---------------------------




gee, i guss that thers reely no hokey fans on this blaaaahhhhhhhhhg..........



i sirtanly gave enuf cloose.....



ok, so here is the answer.



the player who has scored the last 3 game winning goals for the NY ISLANDERS NHL hokey teem is......


(whos kingdom is this)


the players name, believe it or not is.......



MIROSLAV S-A-T-A-N


is there a massage here?

are we in the end times?


yes, yo can look it up. he plays forward for the ny islanders hokey team


miroslav satan.....i wanna talk to yo mom and dad about soumthing.....

Yetter said...

No such thing as winning honestly in a dishonest system

sopsback said...

yo no that the world repots on wanta are generally pretty goood.


but reading it again, it still makes you question....


how does one BLACKMAIL THE US PROVO MARITAL???


reely?? i meen now what cold yo have on the provo marshall to b-mail him with??


what? is he cheetin on his waif or somthins???



tell me this??


this is somtimes where yo wunder if they mak some this stuff up...

hockeydonn said...

Beans,

How is it that you have all ready passed judgement on what I may or may not have researched in a law library. I haven't even told you what the subject matter of my case was. Not to mention the laws I was referring to or the confirming court cases that support the law.

Here again you have passed judgement on someones "idea" without even having any factual knowledge as to what you are passing judgement on. The only judgement that it seems you are capable of passing is prejudgement/prejudice/bigotry.

It is the beauty of the law that when it comes before a REAL judge to be interpreted that I or any other judge no longer have to interpret that law. The courts have already done that. The problem comes when the judge does not want to uphold that law because his own institution is on the line. Which means his tookus is hanging out.

See there are plenty of case law to support what Kurt and Scott have done but when it comes to the same laws being applied to the banks or the courts for some mysterious reason there is no judge that will uphold the same laws. I don't really see that as a co-inky-dink.

You still have not answered the question. How is the law that Dorean has presented to support their claim "jibberish?"

Again, "you have miserably failed to do that."

You don't need to dance around it beans, just answer the question.

Don't be scared, just say it, YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW but that it just doesn't seem right.

That's OK! That would be respectable. Stupid, but respectable.

Atleaste, I for one would except that. However, you do not say that. You purport that you have some factual basis to your claims.

You only make childish koolaid antics and rant on about medical proceedures that have nothing to do what ever with the real issue at hand.

Lastly, if you think that it is possible that I may have a winnable case, than are you conceeding that the actions of a judge to prejudge anothers defence because of who the plaintiff is or how much experience he thinks the defendant has is not honorable?

Give me something of substance "Judge Beans".

Please keep the childish antics to a minimum. We'll leave that to Taco and others -K- tiger.

sopsback said...

it just an endless chain of bullsh.....


everybody want they money.


so they arrest SoT

that done do it.

now they go to provo mashall.

taht din do it.

he been balckmalled.

so now what?

who in charge of prove mashall??


the charge d'affaires

so he put the heet on the prove mashall.

now they find that he krupt too. they backmall him too.

so now they get the director of protocol fo the whit house.

he put the heet on the charge d'affairs.

no good. he krupt.

so they go over his head.

the concierge...

no good....

so they go to chief chef in white house.

no good.

now it down the salad maker....

nope...... yo gussed it...


who left....

the chief wite house door openier....


yo see whay we gone with this....


seem like a lot o bullsh...

sopsback said...

so i guss they jus kep gong up the chain of command...


gus if they go hi enuf, they can go all way to god Himself...

maybe he can force the wantum payts.....

near the end said...

Yeah Bean Head answer the question quit danceing around the QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!

hockeydonn said...

Just one more question.

I was wondering if I can't find any good info off the info or the Law library, am I just supposed to take your word for it or the word of a dishonorable Judge?
Which is it cause I'm not seeing any other alternative that you are leaving me.

I don't know maybe you really think that the only people who can read and understand latin words and phrases and desifer the color in law are you lawyers and judges.

Pretty pompus don't you think?

neodemes said...

hockey sez:

"I am not the one who defined a bank. According to blacks law 4th a bank is "a court or seat of the judges..." Head down to your local law library and look it up. "

**********************************

That would be a definition of the word "bank", which usage, as you have presented it, has zero to do with financial institutions.

Try this (you will find your definition is there, too):

bank
n. 1) an officially chartered institution empowered to receive deposits, make loans, and provide checking and savings account services, all at a profit. In the United States banks must be organized under strict requirements by either the federal or a state government. Banks receive funds for loans from the Federal Reserve System provided they meet safe standards of operation and have sufficient financial reserves. Bank accounts are insured up to $100,000 per account by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation. Most banks are so-called "commercial" banks with broad powers. In the east and midwest there are some "savings" banks which are basically mutual banks owned by the depositors, concentrate on savings accounts, and place their funds in such safe investments as government bonds. Savings and loan associations have been allowed to perform some banking services under so-called deregulation in 1981, but are not full-service commercial banks and lack strict regulation. Mortgage loan brokers and thrift institutions (often industrial loan companies) are not banks and do not have insurance and governmental control. Severe losses to customers of these institutions have occurred in times of economic contraction or due to insider profiteering or outright fraud. Credit unions are not banks, but are fairly safe since they are operated by the members of the industry, union or profession of the depositors and borrowers.

2) a group of judges sitting together as an appeals court, referred to as "in bank" or "en banc."


hth

BTW - why don't you tell us where in Wisconsin we can look up your actual case transcripts. I'm sure it would be extremely enlightening for us all.

notorial dissent said...

Moogie has a sockpuppet, not much more literate than Moogie, and generally nastier, big surprise.

sockpuppet rant What I want is for the laws that my forefathers faught for and those that followed to be reinstated and/or upheld.

I’m curious, just which laws are we speaking of here, since I don’t seem to remember there being anything abut the right to commit fraud, or make false statements, or file fictitious documents anywhere mentioned in either the Declaration of Independence, or the war messages for either WW I o WW II, so I really am curious as to what these laws were that your forefathers “faught” for. Pray enlighten us.

It might have helped if you had actually had anything of merit to say at your hearing, which obviously from your prior rant you didn’t. You are quite right about the judge being required to follow the constitution and the statutes that govern his office. Which is precisely why your nonsense was given the short shrift it was. Two hundred years of law, history, jurisprudence, and case law, say quite unequivocally that your position and the Dorean nonsense, are just that. If you had had anything of merit it would have been looked at. Just because you take something and twist it to mean what you want does not give it any legal standing. Dim and dimmer and countless other have already tried and failed in that little exercise. And just what intent of Congress do you refer. Strangely, I do not remember reading anything about them being particularly bullish on the right to commit fraud either. Again, pray enlighten us. Although since it is unlikely that you were actually in a Federal court, Congress had very little to do with the law being discussed there, but as you have already shown a marked lack of knowledge about the judiciary this is no surprise either, or you would also know that there is in effect no dichotomy within the court system. We do not have separate courts of equity and justice, they are either civil or criminal and that is it.

And then we get to the last resort of the truly clueless and in your case illiterate, the fall back on Black’s for archaic and otherwise useless definitions. The word incidently is banc not bank, is properly used as “en banc”, meaning at or on the bench, and is French meaning a bench or judicially a court, whereas bank has a totally different source and derivation totally unrelated except in the minds of the illiterate.

the fool makes another foolish statement I do wonder where lawyers and their leagal assistants get there case law and confirming courtcases.

You remember that place you so off handedly tossed for looking up a definition, which you incidently hadn’t read, well that is the start of where those lawyers get their “confirming courtcases”. There is only about 200 years of law and precedent they have to draw from, all of which laughs at your nonsense. Those cases have been analyzed and referenced, and codified to the point that it is all there and findable. The difference is that it exists, it can be referenced and found repeatedly, and the sources can be verified if necessary. The information you seem to want to rely on cannot.


If you had bothered to actually research any of the nonsense passing itself off as mortgage elimination you would have found that it was all built upon a foundation of fantasy and lies, it has all been tried many times over the years, and it has always failed, for the simple reason that it has no validity or basis in reality.

and yet another foolish remark However, I am carying on a conversation with someone on the internet right now who doesn't carry much weight so I'd better know the facts right?
No, you are braying into the wind like your namesake. You have said nothing of value, yet you rant about how you have been ill used. You claim you have all this information proving your point, yet everything you have presented shows the exact opposite. You apparently do not understand the concept of an avatar, yet you rail on that you are being ignored. You are the one making false assumptions and statements, so JRB has said nothing that is not easily verifiable.

I’m not sure I would go so far as to say you are throwing cinderblocks to the already floundering, but as you obviously have nothing concrete to add, no information to back up your delusions, and nothing of value to impart I would say you are wasting bandwith and everyone’s time with your ignorant, petty, and childish remarks. Other than providing comic relief for Moogie, who has already swallowed both feet clear up past his knees by making equally unsupportable and outlandish statements, you add nothing to the discussion except your tiresome and childish petulance which is of no value whatsoever.

If you want to do something positive, go and do some actual research.

Look up the laws on Power of Attorney, and then look up the case law on it. No where in any of it will you find anything about Power of Attorney being created by anything other than a positive intentional act by the grantor. There is no such creature as Power of Attorney by default as Kurt would have everyone believe. Power of Attorney has to be specifically and intentionally granted by someone competent to grant it. Thus the first lie.

Look up the laws on Agency, and then look up the case law on it. No where in any of it will you find anything about Agency being created by anything other than a positive intentional act by the grantor. There is no such state as Agency by default as Kurt would have everyone believe, and certainly not under the circumstances he presented. Agency has to be specifically and intentionally granted by someone competent to grant it. You can’t send someone some nonsense document saying that unless you jump through these 150 hoops and notify me on gold parchment in 10 days that I am then automatically your agent. It doesn’t work that way. Thus the second lie.

Read the UCC, no where in it will you see anything therein that pertains to real property, what you will find is a positive statement that it specifically DOES NOT apply to real property transactions, which are the province of the state Real Property laws. Thus the third lie.

Then, just for giggles, you might try finding out what constitutes a legal loan in your jurisdiction, there are all kinds of laws pertaining to what can and cannot be done in a loan, and a whole raft of requirements that have been federally mandated as disclosures before a loan can be finalized that are quite specific as to what is being done and who is doing it. The loan documents are the sum total of the contract, and contractual responsibilities between the parties, despite what Kurt would have everyone believe and as long as the articles within the contract have been met and adhered to there is no cause of action. If the terms of the agreement have been broached, then there is grounds for action, IN COURT, there is no so called “administrative process” that supercedes or over rules this, contrary to what Kurt presented. Thus the fourth lie.

Kurt’s next lie was that he could substitute himself or some fictitious entity for the original debtor. You might want to look that little bit of law up as well. The original debtor remains responsible for the debt until or unless the creditor allows them to be replaced. Thus the fifth lie.

The next lie was that there was a bond standing ready recompense the lender. In order for a surety to exist in that fashion, they have to one actually exist in the first place, Sol Berkowtitz & Co, was in no position to stand surety for itself, let alone anyone else. Two, you actually have to have assets, and be licensed and registered in the jurisdiction you are making this pledge in, curiously enough, they defunct clothing manufacturor doesn’t seem to have been registered in any of the jurisdictions Kurt was trying to pass his phony paper in. Without being licensed and registered with the various state corporation and insurance commissions, they had no legal ability to transact any business of any kind within the US and therefore could stand as surety for nothing. Thus the sixth lie.

The so called bonds were signed only by Kurt as an individual who had no legal connection to the defunct clothing manufacturor, so they literally were not worth the paper they were printed on. They were basically fancy and worthless IOU’s with no backing. Thus the seventh lie.

Kurt claimed it was a sure fire and proven method, and yet oddly enough it has met with dismal failure at every turn. Thus the eighth lie.

hockeydonn let forth How is it that you have all ready passed judgement on what I may or may not have researched in a law library.
Well, could it possible be the nonsense you are spouting after having done so?? Else, why are you making so much pointless noise if you were researching something else, and if you were researching something else, why are you holding forth about something you so obviously know nothing about!!!!!

You are the one making the statements no matter how asinine and putting them out to be judged, so what other conclusion is there to come to?

No, the problem comes when the judge refuses to misinterpret according to your wishes. They didn’t agree with you so therefore they are wrong. Sorry, doesn’t work that way, most of the time it is pretty cut and dried, and in this particular arena it is well and long established. Just because you want the law to read as something other than it does isn’t going to make it happen.

more hockeydonn nonsense See there are plenty of case law to support what Kurt and Scott have done but when it comes to the same laws being applied to the banks or the courts for some mysterious reason there is no judge that will uphold the same laws. I don't really see that as a co-inky-dink. The problem is that you don’t see at all. If there is so much case law, then by all means present it, some of it, any of it. Only problem is there isn’t any. There is lots of it with this kind of nonsense losing, but that is all. Either there is case law or there isn’t, put up or shut up.

The point is, that Dorean presented no case law, or anything else other than Kurt’s fantasies and rationalizations, so there fore, it is gibberish.

You are more than welcome to present any evidence that supports your delusions, and any case law or court cases where any court of competent jurisdiction has upheld even the smallest portion of any of your claims, you won’t be able to because there aren’t any, but please feel free to try. Case law and precedent all go against your theories, and always have.

hockeydon makes a further ass of himself I don't know maybe you really think that the only people who can read and understand latin words and phrases and desifer the color in law are you lawyers and judges.
Latin has very little to do with it, but being able to read and comprehend simple English is a good start, and you are obviously handicapped there as well.

hockeydonn said...

First, I have never been part of a case in wisconsin.

Next, congress is the term we use to dicuss the delegates who write law. In the case of the federal government the name given to the delegation is officially congress/senate, or house of representatives. In other applications such as on the state level, These delegatory groups are generally referred to as the legislature meaning; senate and house of rep's. I generally use the term congress to collectively referr to all of the above since we sometimes dicuss federal issues and states issues. Make Sense? I'll try to slow down and type slower for what ever that's worth.

The judiciaries responsiblity is to interpret the intent of congress and enforce the laws that the congress writes. Get it. Ok now we can move on.

Once a piece of legislation is written into law by congress/legislature the law has not been confirmed until an issue has been raised with regard to the law and is brought before the courts. Onces the a court/judge interprets the new law and makes a decision with regard to how it will be implimented according to the inturpretation of what he thought the intent of the congress/legislature was, that is it for that law. It is now confirmed. Then, if any other issue is brought before the courts with regard to the now confirmed law the ruling of the new issue will be based on the interpretation of the judge who confirmed the law not the interpretation of the new judge hearing the new case.

See, if the judge hearing the new case was in an equity court he may have some leaniancy. But, we are talking about courts of LAW so the decision has already been made. I don't even get to interpret what the confirming judge said. It's there in black and white.

"You remember that place you so off handedly tossed for looking up a definition, which you incidently hadn’t read, well that is the start of where those lawyers get their “confirming courtcases”."

Nope, they get them off the internet. Not many busy lawyers have time to sit in a law library and thumb through books. However, if they do go to the library they will use the computer to acces the internet where the case law is filed. You can do this from home too. It's done everyday and is widely excepted to support briefs etc all the time. Check it out it's quite helpful.

Next, I have seen no where any limitations as to what can or can't be granted or limited by tacit agreement. Such as, the authority to act in anothers name.If both parties agree to it then it is.

In addition, you are right, 10 days won't cut it. It will take about two months of documented correspondence.

That takes care of the "First and Second Lie".

The "third lie"

There are many titles and sections in the UCC that talk about many different topics. Which one are you refering to and how does that apply to this?
I'm not saying that the UCC doesn't somewhere say that phrase. Neither you or I have read the entire UCC right. So, that phrase could be pertaining to thousands of different topics.

As for the "forth lie",

I find it interesting that you say "your" jurisdiction since you seem to pretend to know what my jurisdiction is.

Also it does matter what juridiction your talking about and I'll give you that.Just make sure that you have the right jurisdiction when talking about alternative dispute resolutions.

However, in all juridictions that I know of there must have been an actual loan of something for a "loan" to be costituted as a loan. Not the appearance of something loaned.

In addition, there must be a meeting of the minds and a clear understanding of the terms of a contract/loan in order for the contract to be binding. If there is evidence that information was with held in the contract or if a party admits that information was withheld, whether openly, verbaly or tacitly through an alternative dispute resolution, then the contract is void. All of the rights that the false loan giver wanted under the terms of the void contract are done away. And I might add that the party who with held the information acted in bad faith and should be held to account.

Now I realise that you do not think that the administrative process has any merit. To my knowledge, thoughout the process law is cited that expalins the authority to which the process is conducted. You and Beans have not explained which of those laws/codes have no merit and why. Therefore, according to you you should, as you put it, "put up or shut up" I believe it was.

To my knowledge a bank has never proven that there was in effect a loan ever given in the first place. I mean I don't know about you but only my name is on the note. That would mean that the note could not possibly be a contract or the property of the bank cause I am the only signing party. That would mean that I gave the bank something of value for them to deposit into their account and loan back to me. As with all the notes that I have seen with deposit stamps on the back. That is not a loan but deception.

Now lets say for a moment that that really is a Crack pot notion. Why will the records not be opened to verify that that did not take place. Why the secrecy?

Now I am sure that you will agree that there is plenty of case law that require's a creditor to prove that a loan was infact given. (so long as the creditor is not a bank)

And I'm sure that you will agree that there is plenty of case law to establish what is required to prove up a claim and to show that a "creditor" is in fact holder in due course of a note. Making them creditor of the supposed loan. Not to mention that these are essential requirements for a plaintiff to be able to have any real evidence in an action that it might pursue against one of is defendants. Afterall, if there is no real evidence how do you have a claim right. Which the courts seem to overlook when a bank is involved.

Just a couple requirements:

1) Creditor must produce the actual note, not a copy. Or provide a copy accompanied by an affidavit that the copy is true and correct.

2) Creditor must produce the accounting and general ledger which accounts for the funds transfered and the ledger must be accomanied by a sworn affidavit attesting to the accuracy of the ledger by the individual who prepared the ledger. (this is so that the creditor can show that there was actually a loan given)

And I'm sure that you will agree that if it was found that there was in reality no loan given than any "contract" that was entered into no matter how difficult the many hoops the "creditor" had to go through to falsify the contract it would make the contract viod. Right? Right.

All that is being asked is to show that the loan is infact a loan.

Your "fifth lie"

Since no bank has shown that there was ever truely a loan by failure to produce the evidence and by their admittance through alternative dispute resolution. The bank has no right to tell any of it's victim's what they can an can't do with the note that isn't the banks in the first place.


Your
"Sixth Lie"

I won't pretend to know the ins and out of what Kurt's position was on the surety bonds. I will note that you say "...SEEM to have been registered in any of the jurisdictions..." It is a far cry to present so called facts with seems to this or maybe that. At any rate, it is worth noteing that the bank did not even question this or anything else Dorean had presented them. If they were just phoney documents that Dorean sent then why didn't they even address them as such during to "phoney process" or after to the courts. A creditor is proactive not complacent. After all they are pretty bold claims don't you think.

It is evident that the bank had ample oppurtunity to refute any claims that the dorean group has made before their going to court and even during court. THEY DID NOT DO THAT. Maybe you should call them up and ask to be their spokes person. I bet they would like you.

Your "Seventh Lie"

I don't think you or I can really say anthing about the truth of this claim. However, we both can definately say that THE BANK NEVER DISPUTED THE CLAIM. Whether in the dispute resolution or in the courts. That speaks volumes to me.

Your "Eighth Lie"

I can say that the Jury is still out on that can't you. I do see how that statement can be understood to be a lie though. I conceed that.

The fact is that in the Dorean process there is plenty of law cited throughout.

The fact is that you have still not addressed one of those citings and argued your point as to why it is jibberish. For you to say that there is no law cited in the process is an outright lie. You only just say that it is jibberish you never say what law cited is.

So I suppose that would make you the proverbial pot calling the kettle black right.

I'll hand it to you Note nonsense, you at leaset gave me something to explain to you. Beans doesn't even do that.

However, your continued childish rants display to everyone who reads them your real stability.

At any rate, I think Beans can handle him/herself don't you think. Afterall, he/she/it is a "judge" and has decades of experience and Two hundred years of law, history, jurisprudence, and case law to help it out.:o)

It does show that you are quite kind to come to the aid of a fallen comrad though.

Not to worry, we are all loved and you are no less than any of us.

So, when your down and out and you have nothing to add to the discussion except your tiresome and childish petulance which is of no value whatsoever. Just look up the Dorean blog and start typing.

I think you have been wasting about two years on it now saying the same thing over and over again right.

notorial dissent said...

hockeydon said apropos of nothing First, I have never been part of a case in wisconsin.
I certainly never implied any such thing, but now that you mention it....

You don’t have to type slower, but actually answering a question or coming to a point would be a big help.

proving once again that a very little knowledge is a dangerous thing The judiciaries responsiblity is to interpret the intent of congress and enforce the laws that the congress writes.
Enforcement of law is left to the Executive branch, not the Judicial.

proving that even less than a little knowledge is publicly embarrassing Once a piece of legislation is written into law by congress/legislature the law has not been confirmed until an issue has been raised with regard to the law and is brought before the courts.
Where do you get this nonsense? Once a bill has been signed into law by the executive it is considered to be valid and in effect from that point and unless it is successfully challenged in court it is valid from enactment. The law is implemented in the fashion dictated in the law itself. The courts have nothing to do with it unless some portion of the law is challenged and then only with regard to the portion challenged and then only if the challenge is successful. The rest of your statement is utter and complete nonsense.

Once again, there is no such thing as a court of equity except in that all courts are courts of equity and justice.

Your view of how law is practiced is almost as laughable as your views on law. That is precisely what they and their law clerks do a great deal of, sitting in law libraries going through the case books to find the cases that support their positions at law. If they were to randomly pull it off the internet as you propose they would not be lawyers for long. Judges dislike sloppy work and bar association revoke licenses for sloppy work. You are right in one sense, they do use computers to get case information, but it comes from the digitized versions of all those books you claim they don’t read. Most of modern case law has been digitized and is readily available, if you have the money and the subscription to one of the services like Westlaw, but that is hardly pulling something off the internet. What ever comes from those sources will be the exact same information that comes out of those books.

Another irrelevant statement Next, I have seen no where any limitations as to what can or can't be granted or limited by tacit agreement. Such as, the authority to act in anothers name. If both parties agree to it then it is.
Actually there are, but they apply to specific events, and no one ever said otherwise. This however does apply to debts and obligations.

10 days, 10 weeks, or 10 years it is irrelevant. You can not make unilateral demands and have them legally enforces.

You are right, there are many titles within the UCC, and they all apply ONLY to movable goods within commerce, it does not and never did apply to real estate. No, it is quite obvious that you haven’t read the UCC, haven’t a clue as to what it is about, let alone what it refers to. No surprise there.

I’m sorry grammatical constructions confuse you, but not my problem. Your in this context refers to whatever state jurisdiction you are either living in or carrying out a transaction in.

a further silly response However, in all juridictions that I know of there must have been an actual loan of something for a "loan" to be costituted as a loan. Not the appearance of something loaned.
The loan agreement, the note, and the trust deed or mortgage and the evidence of money changing hands are the evidences of the loan. The loan agreement is the embodiment and totality of the loan, there is nothing above and beyond it. If you can prove that there is anything in the loan agreement that is not true or inaccurate then you have something to take action on, if it is not in the agreement it is irrelevant legally and factually. Unless you can show that the terms of the agreement were not carried out then there is no legal grounds for complaint.

Your knowledge is sorely lacking. There is no law cited throughout the process, for the simple fact that there is none. There is neither law nor fact supporting any of this and you have no example of it for the simple fact there is none. The process is a crock at fact and law. If there is a dispute then it has to go to court for adjudication. I have at least read the nonsense you are trying to justify, and there is nothing in it to even remotely bolster the fiction that it is built from. As I said, either site an example or pack it in.

Let’s see, just how much ignorance can one person display at any one time, apparently a very great deal. I suggest you look up the legal definition of promissory note as well as the definition of negotiable instrument before you make a bigger fool of yourself. The only signature on a promissory note is the maker’s, for the same reason that the only signature on a check is the account owner’s. The note is the promise to pay, the deed of trust is the guaranty of payment, and the loan agreement is the totality of the contract. Unless you can show that the bank/lender did not provide the funds that paid for the house you bought, you have no evidence that the loan was not completed.

By all means, let’s call it for what it is, a crack pot notion. The source of the funds for a loan are no ones business but the banks, and as long as the funds were expended on your behalf, there is nothing further that pertains to you. The bank’s internal records are none of your, or the public’s for that matter business, they are in fact privileged business information, other than the balance sheets they are required to produce on a regular basis.

another silly statement Now I am sure that you will agree that there is plenty of case law that require's a creditor to prove that a loan was infact given. Not a great lot I would suspect, since it would more likely have to do with fraud more than anything else, and if the lender produces the record of disbursement then there would be little else needed if the documents were in order. Amazing things cancelled checks and wire transfer records when it comes to proving disbursement.

Possession of the note and DOT would seem to be sufficient proof of ownership and unless someone else is making the same claim, there is no controversy.

The only thing a ledger shows is funds disbursed or received, the note and DOT are proof of ownership. The only time a controversy should arise is if one party claims payments weren’t made and the other party does. Again, see cancelled checks.

The rest of your meander is vapor money nonsense and not worth bothering with.

A loan is made by the disbursal of funds and the signing of the note and DOT, as long as those three things are present then a loan was made. Once it has been signed and presented the note belongs to the lender.

The documents were legally meaningless gibberish, that required no response, the so called bond looked amateurish at its very best, and anyone who bothered to read would have tossed it for being meaningless. The documents were nonsense and did not warrant any action. The bank was under no obligation legal or otherwise to respond to the Dorean gibberish and had every right not to.

There are legal requirements that go towards making a surety bond and this met none of them. The rest is irrelevant. The bank didn’t need to dispute anything. If there had been an actual controversy, then it needed to be resolved in the courts.

confusion reignsI can say that the Jury is still out on that can't you. I do see how that statement can be understood to be a lie though.
Let’s see, it has only been declared a fraud in Federal civil court, the “masterminds” are currently on trial in Federal criminal court for actions they took, and to date there has not been one success, not one, so the jury is only out in the sense they haven’t yet come back with a guilty verdict in the criminal case. You can pretend it is still open to debate if you want to, but don’t expect anyone to take you seriously.

further stupid statement The fact is that in the Dorean process there is plenty of law cited throughout.
The fact is that there has not been one legal site stated, and will not be, for the simple fact that there are none. Please feel free to post something if you can find it. There is nothing to respond to for the very good reason that there has been nothing to respond to.

Like I said if you have something to present other than your suppositions, and your “knowledge”
please feel free, but since there is nothing in any of the Dorean nonsense that comes even close to an actual legal site I’m not holding my breath in anticipation.

sopsback said...

.....i thik the provo marital beter move out of yootaw...

maybe to dodge city, perhps??

so now we down to chief interier decorator fo whit house.

mabee he can force wantum payts.....

hint: WH butler, kep yo shoos shined, yo maybe next in line to get wanta $$$$



UPDATE POSTED 10.00PM SUNDAY 11TH NOVEMBER:



In addition to the waves of arrests of bankers and other financial sector employees mentioned to date, we now understand that the Provost Marshal General's now very large criminal investigation team has a list of about 4,000 individuals and parties suspected of involvement in financial frauds, who are being questioned and subjected to military-style investigations across the United States.

sopsback said...

....very large criminal investigation team has a list of about 4,000 individuals and parties suspected of involvement in financial frauds,


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why not jus mak it eeesy....


arrest all politisins, and everynone who works at a bank.

afta all,if yo wurk in bank, you part of a cynical enterpize, no?

....so that waht all those consternation camps in usa fo...


they gonna put all the bakers in it...



lololololol!!!!!!!!!!!

sopsback said...

The institutions concerned took a hell of a risk, and got caught. As you can imagine, this development has placed Ambassador Wanta in an impregnable position, the outcome of which will cause astonishment when we are authorised to publish the facts of what has been going on, and details of the consequent collapse of an intricate, layered, convoluted model of corruption designed by George Bush Sr. and Dr Alan Greenspan, which they had believed was so impregnable that they could never, ever be exposed.

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remvber one thins...it got expose becauese this was gods will fo it to be esposed.


dun get tooo puffed up, like none of them sea birds....waht they call them... puffins


they pretty birds but they get scared they get 2-3 tiems they size

hockeydonn said...

Good Job Note Nonsense you were able to display a little control of your childish habits a bit. I think every little one should be complimented when they make progress.

OK

Note nonsense:"hockeydon said apropos of nothing First, I have never been part of a case in wisconsin.
I certainly never implied any such thing, but now that you mention it...."

Your right Note Nonsense, I mistakenly lumped you and your dingle berry buddy nemo together. I will try to decipher through the dribble more carefully next time.

Note Nonsense:"You don’t have to type slower, but actually answering a question or coming to a point would be a big help."

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

"Note nonsense":...proving once again that a very little knowledge is a dangerous thing The judiciaries responsibility is to interpret the intent of congress and enforce the laws that the congress writes.
Enforcement of law is left to the Executive branch, not the Judicial."

Ok so the judiciary interprets right? right. Try and stay on point.

Note nonsense:"proving that even less than a little knowledge is publicly embarrassing Once a piece of legislation is written into law by congress/legislature the law has not been confirmed until an issue has been raised with regard to the law and is brought before the courts.
Where do you get this nonsense? Once a bill has been signed into law by the executive it is considered to be valid and in effect from that point and unless it is successfully challenged in court it is valid from enactment. The law is implemented in the fashion dictated in the law itself. The courts have nothing to do with it unless some portion of the law is challenged and then only with regard to the portion challenged and then only if the challenge is successful. The rest of your statement is utter and complete nonsense."

So what did you just say that was different from what I said? What is a confirming court case, smarty pants? The interpretation of the law by the Judiciary.

Note nonsense:"Once again, there is no such thing as a court of equity except in that all courts are courts of equity and justice."

Go back to school son. You really don't know what you are talking about here.

Note nonsense:"If they were to randomly pull it off the internet as you propose they would not be lawyers for long. Judges dislike sloppy work and bar association revoke licenses for sloppy work. You are right in one sense, they do use computers to get case information, but it comes from the digitized versions of all those books you claim they don’t read. Most of modern case law has been digitized and is readily available, if you have the money and the subscription to one of the services like Westlaw, but that is hardly pulling something off the internet. What ever comes from those sources will be the exact same information that comes out of those books."

Who proposed anything about Pulling random citations from the internet. I said no such thing. Getting case law using Westlaw using the internet is certainly puling the citing off the internet. Is it really that difficult to understand?

Note nonsense:"Actually there are, but they apply to specific events, and no one ever said otherwise. This however does apply to debts and obligations."

Again the pot calling the kettle black. Put up or shut up.

Note nonsense:"10 days, 10 weeks, or 10 years it is irrelevant. You can not make unilateral demands and have them legally enforces."

It happens all the time clown.

Note nonsense:"The loan agreement, the note, and the trust deed or mortgage and the evidence of money changing hands are the evidences of the loan. The loan agreement is the embodiment and totality of the loan, there is nothing above and beyond it. If you can prove that there is anything in the loan agreement that is not true or inaccurate then you have something to take action on, if it is not in the agreement it is irrelevant legally and factually. Unless you can show that the terms of the agreement were not carried out then there is no legal grounds for complaint."

Ok now we can discuss this further.

I do not contest that there was a transfer of some sort, there is no question there. The question comes when we look at what was transferred and whose funds were transferred.

Here's a hypothetical to illustrate. Sometimes ADD kids deal better with pictures. So here goes.

I could take some of YOUR money and loan it to Nemo and technically call it a loan to nemo right? Well, You probably wouldn't be too happy about that and that would make any "contractual" agreement between me and Nemo void cause the "loan" was given under false pretenses. (false because what I gave to Nemo wasn’t mine to give)

Stay with me cause I know your ADD acts up from time to time.

Now if you suspected that I gave YOUR money to Nemo as a loan you would demand not just to see if there was a transfer of money but you would want to see where the money came from in order to prove that it wasn't mine to give right? right.

Are you still with me? OK?

So It is not the transfer of funds that matters. It is what funds were transferred and how did I get those funds to transfer to Nemo.

We're still talking hypothetically here. You get that right? OK.

Now what you should request from me is the accounting and general ledger which includes not only a record of the transfer of funds but also illustrate how I got the funds to give nemo. Then you could prove that the money was stolen and given as a Loan. Right.

Things are a little more involved than this but I obviously I have to simplify things for you so you can follow along.

Now lets up the stakes here a bit. Lets say after I loaned nemo your money (Which I am not allowed to do). Then you go and demand to view the records according to the following memorandum of law to verify that your money was not loaned and I refuse to talk to you about it.

Memorandum of Law

Where the complaining party cannot prove the existence of the note, then there is no note. To recover on a promissory note, the plaintiff/defendant must prove: (1) the existence of the note in question; (2) that the party sued signed the note; (3) that the plaintiff is the owner or holder of the note; and (4) that a certain balance is due and owing on the note. See In Re: SMS Financial LLC. v. Abco Homes, Inc. No.98-50117 February 18, 1999 (5th Circuit Court of Appeals.) Volume 29 of the New Jersey Practice Series, Chapter 10 Section 123, page 566, emphatically states, “...; and no part payments should be made on the bond or note unless the person to whom payment is made is able to produce the bond or note and the part payments are endorsed thereon. It would seem that the mortgagor would normally have a Common law right to demand production or surrender of the bond or note and mortgage, as the case may be. See Restatement, Contracts S 170(3), (4) (1932); C.J.S. Mortgages S 469 in Carnegie Bank v Shalleck 256 N.J. Super 23 (App. Div 1992), the Appellate Division held, “When the underlying mortgage is evidenced by an instrument meeting the criteria for negotiability set forth in N.J.S. 12A:3-104, the holder of the instrument shall be afforded all the rights and protections provided a holder in due course pursuant to N.J.S. 12A:3-302" Since no one is able to produce the “instrument” there is no competent evidence before the Court that any party is the holder of the alleged note or the true holder in due course. New Jersey common law dictates that the plaintiff prove the existence of the alleged note in question, prove that the party sued signed the alleged note, prove that the plaintiff is the owner and holder of the alleged note, and prove that certain balance is due and owing on any alleged note. Federal Circuit Courts have ruled that the only way to prove the perfection of any security is by actual possession of the security. See Matter of Staff Mortg. & Inv. Corp., 550 F.2d 1228 (9th Cir 1977), “Under the Uniform Commercial Code, the only notice sufficient to inform all interested parties that a security interest in instruments has been perfected is actual possession by the secured party, his agent or bailee.” Bankruptcy Courts have followed the Uniform Commercial Code. In Re Investors & Lenders, Ltd. 165 B.R. 389 (Bkrtcy.D.N.J.1994), “Under the New Jersey Uniform Commercial Code (NJUCC), promissory note is “instrument,” security interest in which must be perfected by possession ...”



Memorandum of law in support of the point of law that to prove
damages in foreclosure of a debt, party must enter the account and general ledger statement into the record through a competent fact witness


To prove up claim of damages, foreclosing party must enter evidence incorporating records such as a general ledger and accounting of an alleged unpaid promissory note, the person responsible for preparing and maintaining the account general ledger must provide a complete accounting which must be sworn to and dated by the person who maintained the ledger. See Pacific Concrete F.C.U. V. Kauanoe, 62 Haw. 334, 614 P.2d 936 (1980), GE Capital Hawaii, Inc. v. Yonenaka 25 P.3d 807, 96 Hawaii 32, (Hawaii App 2001), Fooks v. Norwich Housing Authority 28 Conn. L. Rptr. 371, (Conn. Super.2000), and Town of Brookfield v. Candlewood Shores Estates, Inc. 513 A.2d 1218, 201 Conn.1 (1986). See also Solon v. Godbole, 163 Ill. App. 3d 845, 114 Il.

After you have followed the law and requested that I produce the original note for your or a judges inspection.

And you request that I produce the account and general ledger accompained by an affidavit

Then I don't respond Then you finally go to the courts and the courts tell you nothing and rule in favor of me. Justice? I think not.

Note nonsense:"Your knowledge is sorely lacking. There is no law cited throughout the process, for the simple fact that there is none. There is neither law nor fact supporting any of this and you have no example of it for the simple fact there is none. The process is a crock at fact and law. If there is a dispute then it has to go to court for adjudication. I have at least read the nonsense you are trying to justify, and there is nothing in it to even remotely bolster the fiction that it is built from. As I said, either site an example or pack it in."

Be honest, have you really ever seen the paperwork or just snippets?

If one HAS to go to court. What is an ARBITRATION? And is that arbitration process enforceable in court?

Note nonsense:"Let’s see, just how much ignorance can one person display at any one time, apparently a very great deal. I suggest you look up the legal definition of promissory note as well as the definition of negotiable instrument before you make a bigger fool of yourself. The only signature on a promissory note is the maker’s, for the same reason that the only signature on a check is the account owner’s."

What is the value of the note that the bank deposited and where did that value come from. I suggest you look up the legal definition of promissory note as well as the definition of negotiable instrument before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

hockeydonn said...

Continued:

Note nonsense: "The note is the promise to pay, the deed of trust is the guaranty of payment, and the loan agreement is the totality of the contract. Unless you can show that the bank/lender did not provide the funds that paid for the house you bought, you have no evidence that the loan was not completed."

That's right and this is where the secrecy abounds. The bank will not reveal where the funds came from that where transferred or even show that they are holder in due course of the note. There must be somewhere for the victimized "debtor" to seek remedy.

Note Nonsense:"By all means, let’s call it for what it is, a crack pot notion. The source of the funds for a loan are no ones business but the banks, and as long as the funds were expended on your behalf, there is nothing further that pertains to you. The bank’s internal records are none of your, or the public’s for that matter business, they are in fact privileged business information, other than the balance sheets they are required to produce on a regular basis."

YOU BLIND, IGNORANT, LOST SHEEP.
PULL YOUR HEAD OUT AND LOOK AROUND. YOU ARE THE ONE LIVING IN THE FANTASY LAND NO DIFFERENT THAN NAZI GERMANY.

That has got to be the most stupid thing I have ever read on this blog.

Note nonsense:"The source of the funds for a loan are no ones business but the banks"

IT MOST CERTAINLY IS MY BUSINESS IF THE MONEY THAT WAS USED TO FUND MY "LOAN" WAS MINE STUPID! Why do you and the Courts want to give the bank some type of special treatment?

hockeydonn said...

Note nonsense,

I'll have to post the rest of my comments about this later cause
your memory BANK and the memory of this blog is not large enough.

sopsback said...

thawts and cogitations....



?who has the power to declair marital law in the usa?

is it the poorvo maytal?

o the pres?


if so, then as the xcuse of the wantum crasis, then the provo matial declairs matial law.


so this,

1) get press oof the hook as he can say that he did not oreder amatial law

2) then defacto accomplishes what they wanted all along.

so all of us hoping fo the wantum setllement are actually hoping to get matial law enacted too.

a bad by product of teh wantum selloutment.




yes.....

miroslave satan- "the most subtlest of all creatures"



lou minotti- "getting what you want by doing what the public begs for"

in this case the wantum selloutment?????


any thawts?????

hockeydonn said...

Again, here is the REAL quote from BLACKS LAW 4TH ed.

What is a Bank?

"A bench or seat, the bench of justice, the bench of the tribunal occupied by the judges, the seat of judgment, a court.

hockeydonn said...

Defenition continued

Main entry

Function: noun
tymology: Middle English, from Middle French or Italian, Middle French bonque, From old Italian banca, literally, bench, of Germanic origin, akin to Old English benc Date 15th Century
1:a an establishment for the CUSTODY, loan, EXCHANGE, or issue of money, for the EXTENSION OF CREDIT, and for facilitating the transmission of funds. b)obsolete: the table, counter, or place of business of a MONEY CHANGER.
2:a person conducting a gambling house or game; specirically : DEALER

hockeydonn said...

Definition continued

3:a supply of somthing held in reverse: as a:the fund of supplies (as money, chips, or pieces) HELD BY THE BANKER OR DEALER for the use in a game b:a fundof pieces belonging to a game (as dominoes) form which the players draw.

Judge Roy Bean said...

Hockeydonn - care to point out where ANY of those theories have prevailed in the real world?

Never mind. The mythology just gets slapped down by the corrupt judiciary, right? YOUR version of the law (you learned from other crackpots over the 'net) is the only one that really mattrers.

In the mean time, somebody who doesn't know any better picks up on it and thinks they can avoid losing their home with your BS.

Give us all a break and go try it yourself, file an appeal and get the ruling overturned. Better yet, teach someone else how to eliminate their mortgage in court, then come back with the actual case filings and ruling.

Otherwise, you're nothing but a parrot.

sopsback said...

al trunips free invetment avarice:




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In the meantime, the average American goes blissfully unaware of the economic disaster headed straight for him and our country.

This disaster was caused by present and former members of the United States House of Representatives and the United States Senate who enacted NAFTA, GATT and the WTO, sending millions of US jobs overseas while simultaneously increasing deficit spending by government until the entire nation was broke.

The pending economic disaster was aided and abeted by members and former members of the Federal Reserve Bank(s) and their Board of Governors, who monetized the debt being incurred by the Politicians and who then concealed the monetization by halting the public publishing of "M-3" data.

Finally, this economic collapse was assisted by greedy Boards of Directors of the FORTUNE 1000 Manufacturing Companies and the FORTUNE 500 largest companies, who played right into the profits-before-national-loyalty zeitgiest and shipped our manufacturing jobs out of the country.

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So you big shots in politics, banking and business, go ahead and enjoy the last few months of the phony propsperity you've created. When it comes crashing down, every single one of you involved will pay the most severe price. I guarantee it because I am completely prepared to incite it and I know where every one of you lives.

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neodemes said...

Did I say Wisconsin?

My error...I meant Wyoming.

What was your case in Wyoming, HD?

sopsback said...

al, yo alredy too late.

i alredy sole me socks.


taht y i now wark a round barefoot.....


maybe yo shoudld too....


invest in dg; it on the nosedack

sopsback said...

We don't give a shit about the law, we don't give a shit about the courts and we certaily don't give a shit about the military which is stretched so thin they can't even defeat some ragheads in Iraq!


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wha about the poorvo matial???

sopsback said...

When it comes crashing down, every single one of you involved will pay the most severe price. I guarantee it because I am completely prepared to incite it and I know where every one of you lives.


turnip continues:

"that rite. when it comes crahsing down, i gonna roun' up yo evil bakers an am going to personally cut yo bal*s off one at time!"


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go git al! amybe wantum shud do like yo. instead of wating fo provo maytal or the wite house bottle washter to get the $$$$, yo shoud just roun' up the bakers and show them yo mishetti. then tell em yo meen bizness, like tocb.

then if they stil don pay yo, then take the mashetti and cut they tentalcle off, one at tiem of course!

mogel007 said...

Hokeydon:

I think you have embarrassed Notarial Dissent enough. :o)

sopsback said...

this one really made me spill my coffee when i was sipping it....




PAULSON ALLEGEDLY DIVERTED FUNDS AGAIN ON FRIDAY


At about 12.30am on 9th November we learned that Paulson and some of his corrupt intelligence operative friends at the CIA’s main institution, Bank of America, had been interfering with the debit cards..."

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intfring the debit cards?


yo meen yo big shot bakers yoozing e-gold cards???


this toooo funny........


maybe yo shoud yooze e-bullioin insted and get yoslef a cryptic card.



this reely deserve a millin lolos!!!!!

sopsback said...

lololololol!!!!!!!!!!



dun woory. i hep yo get yo muney bakc.

i got sum very good HYIPs speshally fo yo bakers.


pay mo than 100% a day.

just put in a doolar,

in a moth or tow, yo be just like befo. $$$$$$$$$$$

mogel007 said...

The Federal Reserve CREATES MONEY, THE SAME CRACKPOT IDEA AS THE VAPOR MONEY THEORY?
Ron Paul, another kool aid drinking crackpot? Do they let people like that run for President?
Maybe Notarial Dissent & Judge Bean thinks he is a con artist too, espousing lies too. They must think so in order to be consistent:


https://panama-vo.com/home/popup.php?url=http://www.brasscheck
tv.com/page/201.html

sopsback said...

yo can also cek out belly brawls HYPEs.


when he not belly fiting, he got sum good HYPEs....

Dr. Caligari said...

IT MOST CERTAINLY IS MY BUSINESS IF THE MONEY THAT WAS USED TO FUND MY "LOAN" WAS MINE STUPID! Why do you and the Courts want to give the bank some type of special treatment?

If the money was yours, you would have used it to buy the house, you wouldn't have borrowed it from the bank. If the bank lent you money, it obviously was not yours. Which is why the bank is not required to show in court where the money came from. All they are required to show is that (1) you asked them for a loan, and (2) you got the money.

sopsback said...

this almost as funny as the first one....




EUROPEAN LOU MINOTTI BANK ACCOUNTS TAMPERED WITH


Reports from the
highest-level geomasonic (Illuminati) quarters in Europe separately reveal that there is extreme anger in such circles that their bank accounts are being and have been tampered with by the US criminal cadres. This is most interesting since, just as the phenomenon of Cheney stealing stolen money from George Bush Jr. confirms the Editor’s published perception that while cooperating with each other, these ruthless operatives simultaneously hate each other, this report indicates that there is no love lost between the different strata of the Illuminati, either.

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they should make a comedy serial base on this


lou minotti stealying from lew minardi

tooooo funnnnnnnnnnny.....

sopsback said...

curious????


now ho yo no that lou,lew,louis, luigi minotti/minardi/minarde etc. they stelaing from one another??


what? yo meen like on they desk, they have a deskplate that say....

Mr. Lou Minotti
-Illuminatus-


now ho yo no they loomynotti???


lololololo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tell me???

sopsback said...

btw, yo no his cousin????



his nam is

lolo minotti

sopsback said...

att lest turnip took my advice and remove that video of "brotherly love"


those 2 guys giving that other guy a beeting.

notorial dissent said...

hockeydon uttered further nonsense before saying anything further of no consequence

repeat of hd nonsense ...and enforce the laws that the congress writes.
I was, you were the one who mis-spoke and got caught.

further repeat of hd nonsense follows Once a piece of legislation is written into law by congress/legislature the law has not been confirmed until an issue has been raised with regard to the law and is brought before the courts.
Your comment above remains incorrect. Legislation is presumed valid and in force, unless and until it is rejected by the courts. The courts confirm nothing, but they may sustain the validity of it by taking no action. Not at all what you said.

It is you who needs to do some research. Federal courts were never split between equity and justice, and the states who maintained the separation in their courts merged them long ago.

There is a considerable difference between using the internet as a conduit similar to a phone line to get information from a provider, and to randomly gather information which the connotation you used normally implies. And, since up until fairly recently the likes of Westlaw was only available as a dial up subscription, it wasn’t available on the internet.

Again, you cannot make unilateral demands where you have no contractual relationship.

Cute hypothetical, but pointless, unless you are posting that you are a thief as well as a fool. If I deposit money in a bank, savings and loan, do note the and loan part, or any business that makes its money making loans, I have to expect, and be aware that that is what is going to happen. That is why the bank pays me interest on my deposited funds or the company pays me dividends. I have in essence loaned them my money so that they can make further loans with it.

You really are terribly cute when you are trying to be clever, the problem is, you’re just not terribly clever, so the one sort of cancels out the other. You waste a great deal of time and space with nonsense. If you are trying, “cleverly” to allude to banking practices you are doing a bad job of it and are dead wrong, otherwise, you are just committing fraud and still wasting my time.

The point of a very long winded exercise in cut and paste being that documentation is necessary to prove the existence of a debt and the failure to pay it. Strangely, no one has said otherwise. Kurt, and apparently you, want to maintain that this does not happen, and yet you present no evidence other than cases verifying that documentation is necessary, that that there was no documentation.

If dim and dimmer had had actual case law to present in their defense, even their hack of an attorney would have had sense enough to do so, and as the totality of their documents were reviewed by the trial court, there was none presented, and it was declared a fraud. That judgement stands. You have presented nothing to gainsay that determination.

As I said, you obviously do need to look up the definition of a promissory note and what constitutes a negotiable instrument.

There is no great mystery, and never has been, except to those who will not bother to find out how banking practices actually work. The loan funds came from the bank’s resources, whether it be deposits, shareholder equity, bank reserves, or money borrowed for the occasion is irrelevant. If the seller got the funds to cover the purchase then all the necessary legal requirements have been met. It is no more your business where the bank got the money they loaned from than it is the bank’s knowing where you will get the money to repay the loan.

Oh, and now we get self righteous and pissy as well as tiresome. Pity it isn’t more impressive. Go take a business class and learn how the real world works.

If the money was yours to begin with, then why didn’t you just buy the property outright with it, answer, you didn’t have it and it was never there. The vapor money myth is just that, and all your attempts at anything else still fall flat.

The fact remains, that for all your ranting and petulance, none of the crap you have been expostulating has ever stood up in court, or is treated as anything but fiction and nonsense by professional accountants, cpa’s, and financial experts. The courts have repeatedly ruled it a crock and that is what it is and remains. And you have not, and cannot find any case evidence otherwise.

hockeypuck, Moogs has already tried this nonsense repeatedly, and hasn’t been able to convince anyone but himself, and he is a good deal more amusing that you are in the bargain.

Moogey, your sockpuppet is a pale imitation of you, coarser, more vulgar, and if possible even more clueless, but hardly in your league for putting foot in mouth.

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hockeydonn said...

The note had value to it that was not disclosed to me. The back took that value and deposited it.

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