Tuesday, January 22, 2008

Question of Relevancy (January 15, 2008)

Christ is a factual subject that is not relevant to our modern times. It is not Him in question but the times that are questioned to the fact of Christ. God has the church and the state as His work in this world. The state keeps the church honest and the church keeps the state reverent. When this balance is lost the state corrupts the church or the church corrupts the state. The state gets out of kilter when it has too many laws or too few. In America today we have wacko self proclaimed Christian leaders who pass too many laws that are unrighteous and vicious. The "Patriot Act" is not very different from the Aryan Clause of German law. A precursor leading to war. Under this act a simple contractor can pick up two Mexican workers with official papers in front of home Depot, give them work, and violate this act. He now becomes the one liable for the ethnic phobia being bred into our society by liaise faire capitalist, democratic double talkers, and the media hypes. He is the honest working middle class guy who must go to prison for aiding and abetting the enemies of the state. This is something the Church should be completely against but it remains silent. The churches have married the state through corporate 501 C3's and subjected themselves to a subordinate position. The state says that because you are now investing revenues you have to pay taxes. Why is the church in this situation? They have lost their identity and have coddled the promises of this world at the expense of not trusting the promises of God. This is why I pick on the retards. You fake-ass Christians don't know your role individually or the role of the church in conjunction with the state as the work of Christ. You don't understand how this balance has to be returned for the sake of end time prophecy. Your judgments are foolish because they only speak of a Jesus relevant to your getting along in this world. The gospel was never about your getting along in this world. My two divorces were because my ex-wives were all about getting along in this world. You can see the same stupidity in Scott's ex. Really look at the church and the modern message. It is relevancy to circumstance. How in the hell did Jesus and His gospel become measured by the day? The only gospel I know measures all things against Christ. I have been measured by this gospel and my actions are either condemned by this gospel or justified. If justified why so many critics? Attack me with the gospel and hold me to account and you would be wise and just. You don't do it but hold me to measure against your retarded opinions as though they were the gospel. Why is it wrong for me in my search for the gospel truth to see the bankers and the state creating a false righteousness and sense or truth within their contracts to rise up and say Christian men won't stand for that? What are you doing to be the voice of Christ in the world today? Blasting me with your retarded judgments? Is that really the best you have to give to the Lord? A Christian man lives where Christ lives and that is in between His promises and their fulfillment. We are always looking on the come for the substance of things hoped for. Yes that means taking on giants. That means saying "No" when the world is saying "Yes". It will always be a courageous act to resist evil. It has been said that tyranny only goes as far as it meets resistance. This is the role of the church against the state. How is it that the German church could agree with the Reich church about the state policy to abuse the Jews? You say it wouldn't happen to you but I say it already has. You swallow the state propaganda with a soda in front of your television where you get your gospel daily dose. None of you retards have taken the time to dive into your inwardness and take the challenge of Christ to "follow me" into that place of His promise and the faith to see their fulfillment. How are you to judge me? You don't even know where I live or what motivates my decisions. Scotty "my friend" should spend more time examining the mortgage industry to see if it measures up to the gospel and whether he could participate in it as oppose to examining the life of a stranger for fault. That would be true relevance. It would also be honest. Call me a thief as you rob God, that is brilliant!

48 comments:

Scott from Vineland said...

kurt said...
Call me a thief as you rob God, that is brilliant!
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How can I rob God? All that I have is a result of God's grace and benevolence. If you believe that I rob God of those souls that might follow the gospel that YOU present, again I think you give me too much credit. You see how many converts I have made since I entered this conversation. Few minds, if any, have been changed as a result of all of our words.

Scott from Vineland said...

There are, in this world, the things of God and the things of men. Banking is of men, not of God. Yes, Jesus DID drive the moneychangers from the temple. But although this world IS God's creation, it is hardly His temple. The temple as it existed in Christ's time no longer exists. God's Holy of Holies is no more... remember the part where He ripped the curtain from top to bottom?

Scott from Vineland said...

kurt said...
You fake-ass Christians don't know your role individually or the role of the church in conjunction with the state as the work of Christ.
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What exactly is a "fake-ass Christian"? Either you are a Christian or you're not. You should know this, Kurt. If you want to say that some Christians walk closer to God's perfect will, I can agree with that. But you either believe or you don't. You might fake out man but no one is faking out God.

Scott from Vineland said...

kurt said...
Scotty "my friend" should spend more time examining the mortgage industry to see if it measures up to the gospel and whether he could participate in it as oppose to examining the life of a stranger for fault.
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Is there anything of this world that measures up to the Gospel?

123456 said...

Scott from Vineland said...
As much as I hate to say it, yes, that is what I believe. And yes, I know this means that I am calling another persons professed faith into question. But I just can't get past the part of the Dorean process where the newly "free and clear" property is refinanced with another lender. If you truly believe that your original mortgage was fraudulant from its inception, how can you take out another one, pocket the proceeds and still try to claim the moral high ground? If you say that what the lender did to you was wrong, why would you involve your self in that process again? There's only one reason I can see... money. The love of which is the root of all manner of evil, as Brother Hab is always faithful to remind us.

If Kurt's faith in Christ is genuine, then he will forgive my judgemental remarks just as I forgive him for the unkind remarks he has made about me. But since I have not been personally injured by Dorean, it is not mine to forgive those activities.
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If it truly were NOT about the money, then K&S would have done it for FREE, which they did not. So, where's all the $$ they collected in the first place????

habakkuk said...

Scott from V said.....

Banking is of men, not of God.
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BANKING MAY BE A MAN MADE CONCEPT (MAYBE NOT) BUT GOD STILL WORKS THRU IT:

Deut 28:12
The LORD shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow. (YOU CAN SEE IN THIS LAST VERSE THAT HE'S ALWAYS WANTED HIS PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF THE LENDING PART...THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF IT TODAY ARE NOT HIS PEOPLE...SCOTT, YOU'RE COMMISSION COMES FROM THEM...BUT DONT WORRY, GOD EVEN CALLED MATTHEW THE TAX COLLECTOR TO FOLLOW HIM)

habakkuk said...

Scott said.....
Yes, Jesus DID drive the moneychangers from the temple. But although this world IS God's creation, it is hardly His temple. The temple as it existed in Christ's time no longer exists. God's Holy of Holies is no more... remember the part where He ripped the curtain from top to bottom?
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Psalm 24
1The earth is the LORD's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.

Isaiah 66
1 This is what the Lord says:

“Heaven is my throne,
and the earth is my footstool.
Could you build me a temple as good as that?
Could you build me such a resting place?
2 My hands have made both heaven and earth;
they and everything in them are mine.[a]
I, the Lord, have spoken!

HEY SCOTT, G-D, HIS KINGDOM AND HIS RULE ARE NOT CONFINED TO HEAVEN...ITS ALL HIS AND IF THERE IS A SYSTEM HERE ON EARTH THAT DOES NOT LINE UP WITH THE LAWS ACCORDING TO HIS KINGDOM...THAT SYSTEM WILL EVENTUALLY FALL. THATS WHY WE AS BELIEVERS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE CITIZENS OF HIS KINGDOM AND WE ARE IN THIS WORLD BUT NOT OF IT.

THATS WHY JESUS LOOKED AT THE COIN AND ASKED WHOSE FACE WAS ON IT (CEASARS)....IN OTHER WORDS HE WAS SAYING "THAT SYSTEM IS NOT A PART OF MY KINGDOM...NEVER THE LESS, GO FISHING AND PULL ONE OF THOSE OUT OF THE FISHES MOUTH AND PAY THE BOGUS TAX". NOW I'M PARA-PHRASING BUT HOPEFULLY YOU GET A BETTER PICTURE OF THAT SCRIPTURE.

YASHUA TOLD US TO PRAY "YOUR KINGDOM COME YOUR WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN" HIS KINGDOM HAS BEEN INVADING THIS FLIMSY MAN MADE ONE AND THE SCRIPTURES ALSO TELL US:

Habakkuk 2:14
For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

...THATS BECAUSE THE CURTAIN (VEIL) WAS RIPPED FROM TOP TO BOTTOM AND THE HOLY OF HOLIES IS IN US AND NO LONGER CONFINED TO A TABERNACLE...."CHRIST IN YOU, THE HOPE OF GLORY"

habakkuk said...

Scott from V said...

But I just can't get past the part of the Dorean process where the newly "free and clear" property is refinanced with another lender. If you truly believe that your original mortgage was fraudulant from its inception, how can you take out another one, pocket the proceeds and still try to claim the moral high ground?

AT FIRST THE REFI THING BOTHERED AS WELL BUT REMEMBER....THE ASSET IS OUR PROMISORRY NOTE WHICH THE BANK STEALS FROM US. I DONT THINK ITS A MATTER OF THE REFI BEING LEGAL OR NOT AS MUCH AS IT IS UN-WISE BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE CRIMINAL (THE BANK) AND THE GAME THEY ARE PLAYING. THE BANK HATES THAT WE KNOW THEIR GAME AND SOME OF US MIGHT USE THAT GAME TO GET RICH JUST LIKE THEY ARE.

AGAIN, I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THE REFI PART WAS UN-WISE AND NOT NECESARILLY ILLEGAL.

judge allslop said...

Your motion for truth is DENIED.

sopsback said...

the only people who cant seem to figure it out, mortages, banking, fraud, etc., is those people who forget whos kingdom the earth is.....

i would disagree strongly with those who say that this earth is yeshuas kingdom....not yet....soon....

those who beleive that its yeshuas kingdom will then beleive that the millenial kingdom will be when the "2 witnesses" appear preaching the "gospel of the Kingdom"

but, this gospel is of the still yet to be "future" millenial kingdom, else if not future, then tell me why the AC will try to kill these 2 witnesses, elijah and enoch whom have never died but were raptured?

course, real christians themselfs wont be here either, as they to will have been raptured themselfs.

54321 said...

Kurt said . . . .

My two divorces were because my ex-wives were all about getting along in this world. You can see the same stupidity in Scott's ex.

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Gee, hum, you don't think it had anything to do with the fact that you are both scam artists????

Scott from Vineland said...

habakkuk said...
YOU CAN SEE IN THIS LAST VERSE THAT HE'S ALWAYS WANTED HIS PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF THE LENDING PART...THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF IT TODAY ARE NOT HIS PEOPLE
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No argument there. There are actually a surprising number of Christians where I work but no, we are not in charge.

Scott from Vineland said...

Hab said...
HEY SCOTT, G-D, HIS KINGDOM AND HIS RULE ARE NOT CONFINED TO HEAVEN...ITS ALL HIS AND IF THERE IS A SYSTEM HERE ON EARTH THAT DOES NOT LINE UP WITH THE LAWS ACCORDING TO HIS KINGDOM...THAT SYSTEM WILL EVENTUALLY FALL. THATS WHY WE AS BELIEVERS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE CITIZENS OF HIS KINGDOM AND WE ARE IN THIS WORLD BUT NOT OF IT.
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Again, I agree with what you're saying. If our banking system displeases God, it will not stand forever. I guess that is yet to be seen. But the point I was trying to make is that the temple in the Old Testament context doesn't exist anymore, a point that you nailed with your observation;

BECAUSE THE CURTAIN (VEIL) WAS RIPPED FROM TOP TO BOTTOM AND THE HOLY OF HOLIES IS IN US AND NO LONGER CONFINED TO A TABERNACLE.... "CHRIST IN YOU, THE HOPE OF GLORY"

Scott from Vineland said...

So what exactly is a church today? (Not "the" church but "a" church.) Certainly not the temple. Taking this logic to extremes, would God object if BofA set up an ATM in the vestibule? I hope to never see such a thing but how would it relate to the moneychangers in the temple? Same thing? Completely different? Share your insights, Hab. I really do appreciate them.

Scott from Vineland said...

Hab said...
AT FIRST THE REFI THING BOTHERED AS WELL BUT REMEMBER....THE ASSET IS OUR PROMISORRY NOTE WHICH THE BANK STEALS FROM US. I DONT THINK ITS A MATTER OF THE REFI BEING LEGAL OR NOT AS MUCH AS IT IS UN-WISE BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE CRIMINAL (THE BANK) AND THE GAME THEY ARE PLAYING. THE BANK HATES THAT WE KNOW THEIR GAME AND SOME OF US MIGHT USE THAT GAME TO GET RICH JUST LIKE THEY ARE.

AGAIN, I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THE REFI PART WAS UN-WISE AND NOT NECESARILLY ILLEGAL.
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I believe the fact that feel this way is the HS speaking to you, Hab. But I also think you're trying to squelch Him because of your general distaste for the system. (You must have worked with some real snakes during your brief career in the mortgage biz.) Hopefully certain people around here will observe that you ARE possessed of a conscience.

I'm not even going to go into WHY the promissory note is an asset again. It's right there in the name of the thing and besides, I seem to recall that you and I have agreed to disagree on that point already. Although we never really discussed how the bank can "steal" something that was their property in the first place. If it was OURS, why did THEY walk away from the closing table with it?

habakkuk said...

Scott from V said....

If it was OURS, why did THEY walk away from the closing table with it?
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ITS EASY FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO STEAL SOMETHING FROM YOU WHEN YOU DONT KNOW ITS YOURS TO BEGIN WITH.

habakkuk said...

BESIDES, THE PERSON THAT WORKS FOR THE TITLE COMPANY THAT CLOSES THE LOAN DOESNT KNOW EITHER...THEIR JUST DOING WHAT THEY'VE BEEN TRAINED TO DO.

habakkuk said...

James 5:3-5

3 Your gold and silver are corroded, and their corrosion will be a witness against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have heaped up treasure in the last days. 4 Indeed the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by FRAUD, cry out; and the cries of the reapers have reached the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth.[a] 5 You have lived on the earth in pleasure and luxury; you have fattened your hearts as[b] in a day of slaughter.

NOW WHO DO SUPPOSE BROTHER JAMES IS TALKING ABOUT HERE? HMMMMMMM

habakkuk said...

LEVITICUS 6 (NEW LIVING TRANSLATION)

1 [a]Then the Lord said to Moses, 2 “Suppose one of you sins against your associate and is unfaithful to the Lord. Suppose you cheat in a deal involving a SECURITY DEPOSIT, or you steal or commit FRAUD, 3 or you find LOST PROPERTY AND LIE ABOUT IT, or you lie while swearing to tell the truth(THE BANKER THESE DAYS DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO SHOW UP IN COURT...HE PAYS JUDGES), or you commit any other such SIN (YOU SEE, G-D SAYS ITS SIN..NOT BUSINESS AS USUAL). 4 If you have sinned in any of these ways, you are GUILTY. You must give back whatever you stole, or the money you took by extortion, or the security deposit, or the lost property you found, 5 or anything obtained by swearing falsely. You must make RESTITUTION by paying the full price plus an additional 20 percent to the person you have harmed. On the same day you must present a guilt offering. 6 As a guilt offering to the Lord, you must bring to the priest your own ram with no defects, or you may buy one of equal value. 7 Through this process, the priest will purify you before the Lord, making you right with him,[b] and you will be forgiven for any of these sins you have committed.”

QUESTION: DOES G-D HAVE A STANDARD WHEN IT COMES TO MONEY AND BUSINESS?

ANSWER: YOU DARN RIGHT HE DOES AND DONT ANYBODY ON HERE TELL ME HE DOESNT WHEN ITS WRITTEN RIGHT THERE IN HIS LAW BOOK.

THE GOOD NEWS FOR THE FRAUDULENT BANKER IS THAT THERE IS FORGIVENESS IN YASHUA AND HE DOESNT HAVE TO GO GIVE A PRIEST AN ANIMAL TO KILL FOR SACRIFICE FOR HIS SIN ANYMORE...THAT SYSTEM IS DONE. BUT HE DOES HAVE TO REPENT AND GIVE BACK WHAT HE STOLE.

habakkuk said...

HEY SCOTT....CAN YOU (OR ANYONE ELSE) PLEASE GIVE ME YOUR INTERPRITATION OF LEV 6 FOR ME...THANKS

habakkuk said...

Isaiah 33

14 The sinners in Jerusalem shake with fear.
Terror seizes the godless.
“Who can live with this devouring fire?” they cry.
“Who can survive this all-consuming fire?”
15 Those who are honest and fair,
who refuse to PROFIT BY FRAUD,
who stay far away from bribes,
who refuse to listen to those who plot murder,
who shut their eyes to all enticement to do wrong—
16 these are the ones who will dwell on high.
The rocks of the mountains will be their fortress.
Food will be supplied to them,
and they will have water in abundance

habakkuk said...

Micah 2
Judgment against Wealthy Oppressors
1 What sorrow awaits you who lie awake at night,
thinking up evil plans.
You rise at dawn and hurry to carry them out,
simply because you have the power to do so.
2 When you want a piece of land,
you find a way to seize it.
When you want someone’s house,
you take it by FRAUD and violence.
You cheat a man of his property,
stealing his family’s inheritance.
3 But this is what the Lord says:
“I will reward your evil with evil;
you won’t be able to pull your neck out of the noose.
You will no longer walk around proudly,
for it will be a terrible time.”

habakkuk said...

Of course, theres my personal favorite...Habakkuk 2...go read it.

Aspiring Actor said...

Dear Kurt & Scott,

I know I haven’t written you, but I just don’t know much about blogging. Now that I have the time to see how to do this, I’m sending you this letter to your “blog”.

This letter is just to let you know that, even though I [illegally] lost my house, I still have faith in you, and Scott (aka: The Dorean Group). I’ve fasted when you’ve asked us to fast, and have prayed for your release and your/our ultimate victory concerning the awarding of damages, etc. to those of us who have been [damaged] by the so-called “lending institutions”. I don’t care what these other people say about you. After all, just as Paul and some of the other apostles, you’re enduring jail for NOT ONLY US, YOUR CLIENTS, but for TRUTH/FAIRNESS/GOOD FAITH, ect.! You’re going to jail on our behalf, standing up for JUSTICE, which is now a “just-us” system! Not to mention the hardship it puts on your family, with you not being there for them! How can these ingrates be so selfish! Yeah, I’ve lost my house, but I haven’t lost my health (which is much more important), and most of all----MY FAITH! You people on this blog need to see “the other side of the coin”,

So I’m still “waiting on Santa to deliver”---even if it’s in the spring! In reading your blog [virtually] DAILY, I’m confident you will succeed! Just as I will [ultimately] succeed in my acting/commercial modeling career---one day! I just need the right connections.

Also, I thought I would show you something that was written in the Your Money section of The Sun News, dated Tue., Aug 7, 2007. (see, I’ve kept this article THIS LONG waiting to finally email you!). It says:

Title: Lender woes don’t hurt owners

Subtitle: Changes don’t mean borrower can stop paying

By: Jeremy Herron, The AP

New York Another mortgage lender boarded up the windows Monday, as the American Home Mortgage Investment Corp. filed for bankruptcy.
……But what does it mean for borrowers when a lender goes bankrupt?
Some questions & answers about whether and how troubles at a lender could affect homeowners:
Q: What happens to my mortgage if my lender goes bankrupt?
A: When a lender goes under, it does not mean its assets---in this case home loans---are worthless. The company, under court supervision, would sell the assets and use the proceeds to repay its creditors.
That means your loan would windup w/ another financial institution.
“Generally, the consumer is not going to be affected”, said Ray Hooper of the…But it is unlikely that your originator still owns your mortgage anyhow.
My Comment: Yeah he does! It’s ME!!!!
Q: Wait, so who does own my mortgage?
A: That is nearly impossible to say—and it doesn’t really matter to you as a homeowner.
My Comment on THIS, real quick: Hell yeah it does matter to ME as the homeowner!
And it should to all the other “homeowners” out
there as well! And isn’t it funny that the author
said: “and it doesn’t really matter to you”. What
kind of “investigative reporter” is he anyway!
To Continue the Article:

While it is possible the bank you dealt with still has your mortgage on its books, most lenders simply originate loans. They then package them together and sell them to a bank in a bundle…..
In the end, though, “whoever holds the loan is still going to have to honor the terms of the contract”, said Lauren Saunders….
My Comment: You think the bank could “call in the loan” @ any time there, Lauren?
Q: Is there a chance that I would have to pay back the loan early?
A: No, your mortgage is a binding contract. If it stipulates repayment over 30 yrs., then you still have 30 years from the start date….
My Comment: (see above) LOL
Q: If the company goes bankrupt, can I stop repaying?
A: No. As the counterparty to the same contract, you agreed to repay the loan over a fixed period. Since someone still owns that loan, you must honor that contract, Saunders said.
My Comment: Mr. Saunders, I OWN THE FRUCKIN’ LOAN! Hello, McFly!
Q: What if I pay a different company then the one I borrowed with?
A: If the company that sends you statements and collects your monthly payments is different from the owner, you are dealing with what is known as a loan servicer. If you have a servicer and the originator goes under, you may not even notice, Saunders said.
The servicer can change for any number of reasons, none of which change the terms of the contract.
My Comment: Yeah, WAMU told me the same thing, but they didn’t tell me who
the originator of the loan was!! I WONDER WHY!?
Things that make you go: “ummm?”

Anyway, I thought I would [hopefully] give you some encouragement, and show you the above article so you could get a laugh at what they’re telling “the sheep”.
You, Scott, and Bill are in my prayer, and upon your release, I hope to be one of your students!

In Christ,

Worry Wart (LOL: Bill’s term)

near the end said...

Scott; Since your in the business it only seems fit that you answer aspiring actor's post.

mogel007 said...

Scott from Vineland said: "But you either believe or you don't."

And you say that I am the one that puts a spin on other people's words & completely misconstrues everything & everyone.

Scott, you are the retard! I say that in the sweetest way I know how. "Even the Devils BELIEVE and tremble." Read your scriptures! Even the Devils, know that Jesus is the Christ, but what good does that do them having this BELIEF or this knowledge? Will they be saved at the last day? The Devils certainly don't obey. Obedience is the key, not belief. Belief is way over-rated. It has been said, "that the road to hell is paved with good intentions." Isn't intentions nothing but mere belief & no action?
When you disobey God's will by fighting his will & saying that the world of lending is righteous, you are fighting Him. When you don't listen to those that are called to say "no" to the world, you certainly can't obey & stand for the righteous cause or will of the Lord. There are many places in the Bible where it says that the lenders have "robbed the poor". Would you like me to list them? Would Jesus stand for "predatory lending" practices?

Jesus also said, "you are either with me or you are against me." Yes, Jesus did throw the moneychangers out of the temple. That's your first clue. Doesn't sound like the moneychangers & Jesus were on the same page, YOU THINK?

"How can I rob God"? Again read the book of Malachi 3: 8-12 as I remember since that's from my memory. You rob Him when you don't give back what is his, IT'S NOT MERELY ABOUT WHAT THE LORD HAS BLESSED YOU WITH. How about giving an honest tithing? Can I assume you don't give 1/10 of your earnings to the Lord because you can't possibly conceive how you can rob him either?

If lenders in fact steal in the lending transaction & get something for nothing, by getting an asset they don't pay for, isn't that stealing? That's what Kurt & Scott proved by their presentments to all the lenders when the lenders never validated their interest. This is their justification of their actions of discharging the clients mortgages. If that is the case, that lenders are stealing & getting "unjust enrichment" through deception, would God stand for this? Jesus said, "if ye have done it unto the least of these my brethren, you have done it unto Me."

When you ask questions like "how can I rob God", you just show your illiteracy of reading the scriptures or understanding them, so please don't criticize good men like Kurt & Scott who have a greater understanding of the scriptures than you do & are actually standing for a righteous cause. All you seem to do is try to justify your bad arguments and silly words, & it's not happening at all.

YOu say the "Holy of Holies" no longer exists. Again, there are those that would argue that point too. Wasn't it you that agreed that "God is the same yesterday, and forever, and doesn't change."? Did God change then by taking the Holy of Holies away for good?

mogel007 said...

Scott from Vineland said: "You see how many converts I have made since I entered this conversation. Few minds, if any, have been changed as a result of all of our words."
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If you save but ONE soul to the truth, wouldn't God be pleased? The one soul that needs saving is YOU on this subject matter. It doesn't have to be about others, unless you make that an issue where you have influenced others in a negative way to believe that a little bit of stealing is still all right.

Again, you completely missed the point. The lending issue is ALL ABOUT YOU. Are you fair in all of your dealings with your fellow man? If you justify the lending scam, can you still be fair & honest? Are you with God on this issue or not?

Unfortunately based upon your unrighteous stand on the lending issue, YOU ARE still fighting the truth and are in a situation where you are fighting a good cause. How can this be considered righteous when you justify that unjust enrichment is OK?

Is it totally honest that the lender gets two assets in the process & only puts up one asset?

judge allslop said...

An agreement or a contract,which is it? Do they perform the same?
"pleased to meet you, confusion is the nature of my game..."

habakkuk said...

LEVITICUS 6 (NEW LIVING TRANSLATION)

1 [a]Then the Lord said to Moses, 2 “Suppose one of you sins against your associate and is unfaithful to the Lord. Suppose you cheat in a deal involving a SECURITY DEPOSIT, or you steal or commit FRAUD, 3 or you find LOST PROPERTY AND LIE ABOUT IT, or you lie while swearing to tell the truth(THE BANKER THESE DAYS DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO SHOW UP IN COURT...HE PAYS JUDGES), or you commit any other such SIN (YOU SEE, G-D SAYS ITS SIN..NOT BUSINESS AS USUAL). 4 If you have sinned in any of these ways, you are GUILTY. You must give back whatever you stole, or the money you took by extortion, or the security deposit, or the lost property you found, 5 or anything obtained by swearing falsely. You must make RESTITUTION by paying the full price plus an additional 20 percent to the person you have harmed. On the same day you must present a guilt offering. 6 As a guilt offering to the Lord, you must bring to the priest your own ram with no defects, or you may buy one of equal value. 7 Through this process, the priest will purify you before the Lord, making you right with him,[b] and you will be forgiven for any of these sins you have committed.”

THAT SUMS IT ALL UP FOLKS...G-D HAS SPOKEN HIS MIND ON THE MATTER AND THATS FINAL. IF YOU ARE IN DISAGREEMENT WITH THAT THEN YOUR ON THE WRONG SIDE AND EVENTUALLY YOU WILL LOOSE.

I THINK I'LL POST THIS A COUPLE TIMES A WEEK JUST SO EVERYONE HERE DOESN'T FORGET IT.

near the end said...

Scott I don't mean to be pushey but could you respond to aspiring actor's post. I would but I don't have the knowledge in the mortgage business that you have.

Scott from Vineland said...

Wow, so many questions, so little time. I promise I'm not dodging you guys but I can't spend this much time at work on line right now and I had things to do with my son last night.

If I can't adddress all these things at lunch today (aspiring actors questions in particular), I will do it tonight from home. I promise.

sopsback said...

FED DEPOSIT CHEF SAYS BANKS WONT FAIL.

SO, THAT MEANS, TAKE ALL YO $$$$ AS FAST AS YO CAN!!!!




2/07/08


WASHINGTON (Reuters) -

Chances of a big bank failure are remote but regulators are hoping for the best and preparing for the worst to deal with a strong industry hit hard by credit problems, a top U.S. regulator said on Tuesday.

Sheila Bair, chairman of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp, said bank failures will likely tick up but mainly among smaller institutions.

When asked what keeps her up at night, Bair, speaking at the Reuters Regulation Summit in Washington, said: "Probably a large bank failure but I don't think that's going to happen. The chances of that happening are very, very remote."

The FDIC, which insures up to $100,000 per depositor per insured bank and up to $250,000 in some retirement accounts at banks, has a $52 billion purse it can dip into for bank failures.

"I really don't think it's going to happen, I would hasten to add," she said.

The Bush administration cited in its 2009 budget proposal "a higher rate of potential failures given current conditions in the industry" and said the agency expects to collect about $4.7 billion in new revenue from premiums that banks will pay in 2008 and 2009.

An analyst with RBC Capital Markets said last week that between 50 and 150 U.S. banks could fail by early 2010, mostly those with no more than a couple of billion dollars of assets.

Bair said she could not speculate about future predictions and repeated previous statements indicating that banks overall are in strong shape and the size of the problematic ones are small.

In November, the FDIC said in its third-quarter industry report that the number of those banks grew to 65 from 61. That number will likely tick up again in the next quarterly report, she said.

She added that banks are well capitalized and had very strong earnings going into the credit crisis, which was sparked by mortgages provided to homeowners with tainted credit history.

Banks worldwide have written down more than $130 billion linked to subprime mortgages. According to Standard & Poor's, financial industry losses linked to mortgages may reach more than $265 billion.

"They are doing what they need to do right now," Bair said.

The FDIC started hiring more staff for examinations and receivership and resolution divisions last year and also brought back retired staff, at least on an on-call basis, she said.

"We have been, in a balanced way, intensifying our safety and soundness supervisory efforts given the changed credit conditions and the changed economic conditions. Again, we're trying to do that in a balanced way to send a signal to banks."

(For summit blog: summitnotebook.reuters.com/)

(Editing by Phil Berlowitz)

www.reuters.com/article/Regulation08/idUSN0518804120080205


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Chances of a big bank failure are remote but....



LOLOLO!!!!

wahts "remote"???

1 in 2 chances???

sopsback said...

between 50 and 150 U.S. banks


no big deal, only 50-150 banks will fold up!

sure, happen everyday...


by the way, what kind of tobacco yo yooze in yo cigartees???

yo smokin' them "blunts"?

Scott from Vineland said...

NTE-
OK, about AA's comments...

But it is unlikely that your originator still owns your mortgage anyhow.
My Comment: Yeah he does! It’s ME!!!!
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The originator of a mortgage does NOT refer to the borrower, it means the originating lender (or broker).

Q: Wait, so who does own my mortgage?
A: That is nearly impossible to say—and it doesn’t really matter to you as a homeowner.
My Comment on THIS, real quick: Hell yeah it does matter to ME as the homeowner!
And it should to all the other “homeowners” out
there as well! And isn’t it funny that the author
said: “and it doesn’t really matter to you”. What
kind of “investigative reporter” is he anyway!
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A very stupid one, evidently. It is NOT nearly impossible to say who owns your mortgage. This statement is a perfect example of how people who think they know what their talking about can disseminate a lot of bad information.

“whoever holds the loan is still going to have to honor the terms of the contract”, said Lauren Saunders….
My Comment: You think the bank could “call in the loan” @ any time there, Lauren?
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Not without cause, such as default or some other breach of the original loan terms.

A: No, your mortgage is a binding contract. If it stipulates repayment over 30 yrs., then you still have 30 years from the start date….
My Comment: (see above) LOL
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Why LOL??? This is an accurate statement. If you were foreclosed on, AA, something HAD to happen to initiate that action. Are you really trying to imply that your lender decided to call your loan due and then foreclose because they just felt like it???

Q: If the company goes bankrupt, can I stop repaying?
A: No. As the counterparty to the same contract, you agreed to repay the loan over a fixed period. Since someone still owns that loan, you must honor that contract, Saunders said.
My Comment: Mr. Saunders, I OWN THE FRUCKIN’ LOAN! Hello, McFly!
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Again, a perfect example of someone who is utterly convinced that they understand the facts when they are completely misinformed. You DON'T own your loan, McFly!!!!!!!! You own your house, subject to the lenders lien (mortgage).
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The servicer can change for any number of reasons, none of which change the terms of the contract.
My Comment: Yeah, WAMU told me the same thing, but they didn’t tell me who
the originator of the loan was!! I WONDER WHY!?
Things that make you go: “ummm?”
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Look AA, I don't say this to purposely embarass you but WAMU probably hung up the phone scratching their heads when YOU asked THEM who YOUR originator was. Don't you remember that first smooth talking dude you talked to that told what a great deal that interest-only or pay-otion ARM was gonna be for you? He probably got you in for little or no $$$ down and if he DIDN'T give you a stated-income, stated-asset loan, I'm sure he could have. That is a loan originator. I'll be the first to tell you there are some oily ones out there and if you lost your home because someone like that put you in a bad loan, then that sucks. I'm sorry. But even if 95% of loan orginators were like that (and they're not, trust me), it wouldn't make the underlying principles of a home mortgage tantamount to fraud.

Scott from Vineland said...

habakkuk said...
HEY SCOTT....CAN YOU (OR ANYONE ELSE) PLEASE GIVE ME YOUR INTERPRITATION OF LEV 6 FOR ME...THANKS

12:05 PM

God was telling Moses that His people were not to profit through violence or through the deception of others. To do so was a sin against God and required an offering in order to make atonement.

judge allslop said...

Is there a loan? If so where is the consideration? I care not, I have a lie to protect.

Scott from Vineland said...

hab said...
QUESTION: DOES G-D HAVE A STANDARD WHEN IT COMES TO MONEY AND BUSINESS?

ANSWER: YOU DARN RIGHT HE DOES AND DONT ANYBODY ON HERE TELL ME HE DOESNT WHEN ITS WRITTEN RIGHT THERE IN HIS LAW BOOK.

THE GOOD NEWS FOR THE FRAUDULENT BANKER IS THAT THERE IS FORGIVENESS IN YASHUA AND HE DOESNT HAVE TO GO GIVE A PRIEST AN ANIMAL TO KILL FOR SACRIFICE FOR HIS SIN ANYMORE...THAT SYSTEM IS DONE. BUT HE DOES HAVE TO REPENT AND GIVE BACK WHAT HE STOLE.
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Once again, what you're saying here is absolutely true. But a couple of comments... First, have you always used the New Living Translation in your posts, Hab? Because the term "SECURITY DEPOSIT" seems too neatly tailored to your position. The KJV says "that which was delivered to him to keep". Yeah, I KNOW they mean the same thing but I know that YOU know how words can be predjudicial. And I DON'T agree that the promissory note "was delivered to him to keep". The potential that it may be sold or transferred is disclosed from the very beginning (or at least it is supposed to be, within 3 days of your loan application).

Scott from Vineland said...

judge allslop said...
Is there a loan? If so where is the consideration? I care not, I have a lie to protect.

11:46 AM

SOMEONE has a lie to protect. I guess time will tell who.

sopsback said...

all yo peeple arguing about loans, foget bout one thins...


the money itself is bogus paper money....


and then 2 ohter thins is..


if the lender went bankrupt, those loans were insured by freddi mac, fannie may, etc.

so, they already collected once, so they cant collect again, even with the "who holds the note" issue aside.


also, if the loan was written off on theri copulate taxes, now again they still cannot go collect it or else they in trouble agin with their own frauduletn agenci, the isr for flinging flase tacks rturns.

so, they got a hundred bullits in em why they cant collcet on the alleged loan.

and this is aside of the vapor money, original note, and all the other stuff aginst them.

habakkuk said...

Scott from v,

Yes, i often use the New Living Translation for the sake of a better comprehension in relation to our topic...If you have a major issue with that translation then take it up with the Bible translators. KJV is good as well.

As far as the promissory note goes....i guess we will have to agree to disagree until the truth is revealed.

But my main point is that G-d does have a position as it relates to the mortgage fraud topic. Some on here have tried to keep G-d out of the discussion and they mock Kurt because he (and others) have referenced the Bible. But in Leviticus 6 its right there and no one can deny it.

Time will tell.

Scott from Vineland said...

spinner said...
And you say that I am the one that puts a spin on other people's words & completely misconstrues everything & everyone. (Yes, I seem to remember saying this.)

Scott, you are the retard! (Kurt thinks so too.)

Obedience is the key, not belief. Belief is way over-rated. (Obedience or works, Moogs?)

Can I assume you don't give 1/10 of your earnings to the Lord because you can't possibly conceive how you can rob him either? (You can assume whatever you want, Byron. You can be wrong as well. You don't know any Baptists, do you?)

If lenders in fact steal in the lending transaction & get something for nothing, by getting an asset they don't pay for, isn't that stealing? That's what Kurt & Scott proved by their presentments to all the lenders (Proved to who? Certainly not the courts. The old something for nothing nonsense don't fly with me either, moogs, you know that.)

If you save but ONE soul to the truth, wouldn't God be pleased? (Finally, something resembling the truth from spinner's keyboard. Although I can't save anyone myself... I can only share my experience with them and hope that God can reap the harvest.)

The one soul that needs saving is YOU on this subject matter. (Clearly you and I will never agree on this point, considering your LDS faith.)

Again, you completely missed the point. The lending issue is ALL ABOUT YOU. Are you fair in all of your dealings with your fellow man? (Are you asking me if I am without sin, Byron? I know what MY answer must be... how about you?)

If you justify the lending scam, can you still be fair & honest? Are you with God on this issue or not? (This statement is predicated on the assumption that lending IS a scam and that God condemns it. This has not been proven to my unilateral satisfaction.)

Is it totally honest that the lender gets two assets in the process & only puts up one asset?
(This statement is just as silly today as the first time I heard it.)
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Eve talked to a snake once and it caused all kinds of trouble. So I think I will cease responding to your darts, moogs. And I say this with all the kindness and charity that is your due.

Scott from Vineland said...

Hab said...
If you have a major issue with that translation then take it up with the Bible translators. KJV is good as well.
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Actually, I am NOT one of those hardcore KJV-only Baptists. I read other translations... modern language versions are perfectly fine with me. I just wanted to know if your choice was by design. But it sounds like you're saying that it was simply to make the context easier to understand and I believe you.

As far as the promissory note goes....i guess we will have to agree to disagree until the truth is revealed.
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Fair enough. Time will ultimately tell (if Jesus tarries long enough.)

But my main point is that G-d does have a position as it relates to the mortgage fraud topic. Some on here have tried to keep G-d out of the discussion and they mock Kurt because he (and others) have referenced the Bible. But in Leviticus 6 its right there and no one can deny it.
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I think people mock Kurt's use of scripture because they question whether his faith is genuine or contrived. I don't believe you can keep God out of the conversation either, Hab. But we live in a secular society so you have to anticipate that some will mock God's word no matter who shares it.

mogel007 said...

Scott said: "The potential that it may be sold or transferred is disclosed from the very beginning (or at least it is supposed to be, within 3 days of your loan application)."
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Again, that's not the real issue. That's just a clever way to disguise the real issue. The issue is how did the lender get the right to sell, and where is the consideration by the lender for this right? The lender never validates the debt or proves where their monies originate from. If the credits from the promissory note funded the loan, then the lender really isn't the holder in due course & can't sell something that isn't really his to sell. This right to sell is predicated on the fact that the lender is actually giving a real loan & risked his own assets to do so. That didn't happen, so this material misrepresentation of the lender, voids any agreement because there really wasn't a meeting of the minds.

A pawn shop also discloses it may sell the property too. How often does a pawn shop get stolen property they end up selling? If they disclose they are going to sell it, does it mean that automatically the pawn shop had the right in the first place to sell the property? of course not. Your logic is flawed.

mogel007 said...

Scott asked: "Are you really trying to imply that your lender decided to call your loan due and then foreclose because they just felt like it???"
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In Great Britain, a major bank cancelled tens of thousands of credit card privileges of customers, just because they felt like it, in order to minimize their risk exposure to poorer clients.

If your house loan value goes underneath the loan value, the lender has the option to call the mortgage due, & accelerate the note & force you to pay it off, or foreclose on you, even if you aren't behind on your payments. Why? Because they feel like it.

Scott from Vineland said...

mogel007 said...
In Great Britain, a major bank cancelled tens of thousands of credit card privileges of customers, just because they felt like it, in order to minimize their risk exposure to poorer clients.
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Apples & oranges, Moog. This ain't the UK nor am I discussing credit cards.

Scott from Vineland said...

If your house loan value goes underneath the loan value, the lender has the option to call the mortgage due, & accelerate the note & force you to pay it off, or foreclose on you, even if you aren't behind on your payments. Why? Because they feel like it.
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Hmmm, first time I have ever heard of this... please cite your source for this information, please.

neodemes said...

Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives' tales; rather, train yourself to be godly. For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come.

1 Timothy 4:7,8

judge allslop said...

This is an imperissable constructive amendment.YOUR PRAYER IS DENIED.