Monday, January 21, 2008

Community of the Saints (January 10, 2008)

For the first time in this exercise I have found myself in a need outside the resources I possessed. It made me look to others for assistance. Out of that exercise God used this to teach me a valuable lesson. This lesson I feel is an outgrowth of the other lessons I've gained out of this trial. First it was do I punish those who have been faithless by withholding their blessing at the end? At first glance it is easy to say that they don't deserve it. This fact doesn't really mean much to the Lord. He only operates in the arena of the undeserving. This made me consider everyone from a client perspective at first blush as equal. Now there are large disparities between them and probably always will be. I do think these will lead to variables in settlements ultimately but not initially. I was never in a position to surrender my position as a protector of the clients' rights from my duty before the Lord. It was in this obligation that I began to understand the community of the saints. I find that the Christian walk is very individual and it is in the inwardness of a man that the scales of a man's soul are measured for eternity. How does the community fit into this walk, was my recent question. I look at the "body of Christ" concept and understood it as a distinct and separate work while still very much of the same essence of individualism. Christ has His body to function as a community but like the cell structure is a collection of individual cells. I know my private work in the Lord and can even see my community participation but am I seeing your work and your pains as my own? If I truly am a part of the community as with the physical body, I would have a share in your pain even though I could be healthy at the moment. These questions made me ponder if there was more I could be doing to ease your pain. Prayer was the striking call within me. I know I can't do anymore from a legal perspective at the moment. The spiritual work though I felt I could enhance with a share in your agonies through prayer. I wonder if all of us stopped looking at this giant disease of bank fraud from an individualistic point of view if we might be able to accomplish more sharing the journey as a community grouped as the body of Christ. If the Lord speaks to you about the place He is taking His body along with where He is taking you perhaps you can join me in prayer or find some other faith expression that will bless our community with the health of the whole. I know that Christ has secured our victory on the battlefront but our souls and our path may still need the loving actions of well-being aggressively pursuing the opportunity to bless. Let us all step out as victors and love on each other. I bet even some of the retards can be healed. I continue to seek God for the highest possible goal out of this trial. Our fast went great and part of what I'm speaking here was learned in that devotional time. I can say that I could use your love, prayer, and assistance to fire on all cylinders to the finish line, how about you? Lord make us as a body love on ourselves to that we function for you as a healthy viable unit of your grace, and glory. Lift every weak member to the concern of the strong until we all come the full measure of your power and plan. Help me as the leader of this call not to fall short and to finish this race for the good of all. Forgive me for not always looking to the weak with my prayer life or with my hands. Bless us all to fulfill your desires. AMEN!

37 comments:

Scott from Vineland said...

kurt said...
First it was do I punish those who have been faithless by withholding their blessing at the end?
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Kurt, is yours the power to withhold or bestow blessings? What sort of blessings do you speak of here?

sopsback said...

kurt said...
First it was do I punish those who have been faithless by withholding their blessing at the end?
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if it were i, i would not want to put myself "on the hook" by playing judge by witholding $$$$ from some clients.

i would let yeshua do that. IF they are not deserving, god will remove it form them anyway...i would rather let Him do it than risk incurring judgment on myself.

but, thats if it were me.....which it isnt.....

judge allslop said...

Your motion for prayer is DENIED.

notorial dissent said...

And the Bilge Report and a further gratuitous exercise in self deification for 10 January 2008 is in.



Kurtus vomitus
First it was do I punish those who have been faithless by withholding their blessing at the end?

Sure, punish the people you screwed to begin with, to prove just how petty and vile you really are, way to go Kurt, nice to see the essential you coming out at last.

more of the same
Now there are large disparities between them and probably always will be. I do think these will lead to variables in settlements ultimately but not initially.

What settlement? You aren’t and will never be a position to settle anything, you are going to jail for a very long time, you have nothing to settle with, except the mountain of guilt that would be nesting on your conscience, if you actually had one. You are a liar and a fraud to the end.

Just more of the empty and faithless Kurt noises we have come to expect. No truth, no concern, no repentance, just poor me, how awful I’ve been treated, no one understands the trials and tribulations I have been put to, I’m such a martyr. Just another in a long round of Kurt noises and lies.

Too bad Kurt, even the faithful are beginning to see you for the lying, impotent windbag that you are. You have made all of your pronouncements, and yet there you sit, in a jail cell awaiting sentencing, a tired old joke to all who behold you. The court has laughed at your unintended comedy , the appellate court will laugh at you and leave you where you, and the Supreme Court will not bother with you. You are a nonentity, a nothing, a waste of time and life. Your promises have been worthless, your actions a fraud, your life a waste. When all is said and done, you will be not even a footnote in the passage of time, but rather just one more failed con artist lying to himself when the lies to everyone else have failed.

JDJD said...

Gee, ND. You shouldn't sugar-coat your message like that. Say what you really mean, and don't try to be so kind to poor Kurt, will ya? He's had such a hard life, don'tcha know?

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near the end said...

Anyone like ND who kicks people like he does when there down must really hate themselves.

Hey ND I love you man!!! It's ok to be angry but you will get your settlement just hang in there browwww!!!

near the end said...

Ya'll beware of Happy Jacks lies. Everything he has said about Kurt and Kurts wife was a lie.

He was talkin about his own life and his own wife and his own HO. Nice try Happy. I know first hand Happy Jack is a liar!!!!!

near the end said...

Ya'll beware of Happy Jacks lies. Everything he has said about Kurt and Kurts wife was a lie.

He was talkin about his own life and his own wife and his own HO. Nice try Happy. I know first hand Happy Jack is a liar!!!!!

near the end said...

Ya'll beware of Happy Jacks lies. Everything he has said about Kurt and Kurts wife was a lie.

He was talkin about his own life and his own wife and his own HO. Nice try Happy. I know first hand Happy Jack is a liar!!!!!

near the end said...

Ya'll beware of Happy Jacks lies. Everything he has said about Kurt and Kurts wife was a lie.

He was talkin about his own life and his own wife and his own HO. Nice try Happy. I know first hand Happy Jack is a liar!!!!!

near the end said...

Ya'll beware of Happy Jacks lies. Everything he has said about Kurt and Kurts wife was a lie.

He was talkin about his own life and his own wife and his own HO. Nice try Happy. I know first hand Happy Jack is a liar!!!!!

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Scott from Vineland said...

hey nte,
does saying something over and over again make it true? Let me try...

I am obscenely wealthy...
I am obscenely wealthy...
I am obscenely wealthy...
I am obscenely wealthy...
I am obscenely wealthy...
I am obscenely wealthy...
I am obscenely wealthy...
I am obscenely wealthy...
I am obscenely wealthy...
I am obscenely wealthy...
I am obscenely wealthy...

Why isn't my checking account balance increasing?

near the end said...

Scott no it does'nt but; being positive and picking the right stocks to invest in will.


The economy will come back it always does.

We as Americans will not fail.


Even if your industry is broken it can be fixed. Don't you agree?

Scott from Vineland said...

Wow, this is a first.... I am in total agreement with an NTE post. Your not messing with me, are you buddy?

I have never disputed the the mortgage industry has its problems. It's just the nature and depth of those problems that we will probably continue to disagree on. The market is forcing the industry to correct itself in a number of ways. Unfortunately, I still see a number of loan originators behaving badly. I think their days are numbered though. The light will get too bright for them eventually and they will scatter like the cockraoches they are.

Scott from Vineland said...

or "cockroaches" if you prefer

Scott from Vineland said...

And in deference to JRB, I agree that there are problems on the back end of the business as well. Loan servicing abuses will probably be a lot more difficult to deal with because the financial pressure to police ourselves doesn't really exist yet like it does on the front end. I wish I had the answer to that one.

notorial dissent said...

Scott,

What will inevitably happen, and rightly so, is that it will get bad enough and some politician will see an issue he can get air time on, and some new and very restrictive legislation will come about, also probably serious licensing and oversight, since there is money to be made there, just as happened to the banking and securities industries after their fall from grace in 1929. The difference here, is that it will be entirely punitive, and considerably more restrictive since this industry above all others has seemed to be more prone to gross violations of both law and decency, and it will make for good PR. I anticipate that the restrictions on lenders-non-bank, will get extremely tight, and it will lose a lot of the luster and ability for fast cash it now has. Unfortunately I don’t see any real relief for borrowers happening unless the credit and foreclosure rates go considerably higher than they are now, and if the collapse in the late 80's didn’t do it, I hate to think of what it will take to do it.

Scott from Vineland said...

sopsback said...
if it were i, i would not want to put myself "on the hook" by playing judge by witholding $$$$ from some clients.

i would let yeshua do that. IF they are not deserving, god will remove it form them anyway...i would rather let Him do it than risk incurring judgment on myself.

but, thats if it were me.....which it isnt.....
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Honest, coherent and rational commentary coming from SOP today as well. (Well, aside from that implied expectation that Dorean will ultimately receive some sort of settlement).

This isn't some sort of trick is it guys? SOP, you and NTE both sounding so reasonable at the same time is kinda scary.

Scott from Vineland said...

notorial dissent said...
I anticipate that the restrictions on lenders-non-bank, will get extremely tight, and it will lose a lot of the luster and ability for fast cash it now has.
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And regardless of how it affects me personally, I think that will be a good thing. When I worked for a sqaliforme attorney briefly in the late 90's, I actually saw people paying companies like Ford Consumer Finance 8 or 9 percent in fees and credit-life insurance just to cash-out $1,000 equity (or less) to pay their property taxes. Now THAT was criminal.

Scott from Vineland said...

notorial dissent said...
I don’t see any real relief for borrowers happening unless the credit and foreclosure rates go considerably higher than they are now, and if the collapse in the late 80's didn’t do it, I hate to think of what it will take to do it.
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While I do agree that there are abusive servicing practices going on (including foreclosures), I don't believe it is of epidemic proportions. And you have to factor in a percentage of borrowers who cry foul when in truth, they did everthing in THEIR power to make it happen. I just hope individual, PERSONAL accountability doesn't take a back seat to political expediency.

near the end said...

No Scott I'm not messin with ya. I said I won't anymore and I meant it.

I hope everyone that is in a mess can get out.

I also hope ND can be not so hateful to.

Scott from Vineland said...

near the end said...

No Scott I'm not messin with ya. I said I won't anymore and I meant it.

I hope everyone that is in a mess can get out.

I also hope ND can be not so hateful to.

11:11 AM

Peoples emotions are bound to run high when there is so much at stake. Plus an anonymous forum like this gives people a chance to take out their pent up aggression with less risk of getting their ass kicked. I've made my share of unkind statements on this board too. But I try not to hold grudges. We should be able to discuss issues without it turning ugly.

Scott from Vineland said...

I think one of the things that so greatly offends so many people is the possibility that Kurt would use the Christian faith in the execution of something that so many of us consider a scam. And sometimes there is a fine line between questioning another man's faith and using the discernment that the Holy Spirit gives us. I freely admit that this can be a stumbling block for me at times. If I were certain of his sincerity, I would find it easier to cut him some slack. But I guess only God knows what is truly in our hearts.

Scott from Vineland said...

happy jack said...
I am not on the barge or make barges or piers like Kurt's drugy alcoholic brother did.
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Sorry happy jack, I didn't mean to seem dense but I missed this comment before when I was trying to figure out who you were. And for the record, I have always liked Kurt's "druggie alcoholic brother". He's always been very nice to me. And a lot of us have been down that road. You might want to consider your own past deeds before you're so quick to take up those stones.

Scott from Vineland said...

happy jack said...
I just wanted to say I really like Scott from Vineland's sense of Humor ARRARRRR!... "Smert AAce"
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Thanks happy jack, you're a funny guy too sometimes.

If my previous comment sounded harsh, please understand that the last direct contact I had with anyone in Kurt's family was with his sister and half-brother. I just don't want to see either of their names dragged through the mud... they were friends also.

sopsback said...

February 5, 2008 1:55 p.m. PST

Hello Dear Friends and White Knights,

Today – this week – YOU can help NESARA move forward in crucial actions.

There is a certain German man in Europe who has been ill and is ill with something which can be easily cured. We need this gentleman to be well so he can do some crucial actions which will move NESARA’s key activities forward.

REIKI

I and some people I know are sending this man Reiki healing energy. If you have the ability to do Reiki, please send Reiki to this gentleman. Reiki knows who I am sending the energy to so Reiki will add your energy to mine and it will benefit this man and NESARA.

Reiki healing energy was “discovered” by a Japanese Christian minister who for 40 years had been seeking the healing energy used by Jesus. Reiki is said to mean “Creator’s energy”.

TM

Please add to your TM meditations energizing NESARA moving forward quickly in its crucial actions this week and this month.

PRAYERS

Please add to your prayers that NESARA moves forward quickly in its crucial actions this week and this month.

MTN Buy-Sell Contacts

I am exploring all ways to develop the funds needed to obtain the gold contracts and move NESARA to announcement. One possibility is private MTN buy-sells.

If you have connections to MTN buyers or sellers – real contacts which will act quickly (NO SHOPPING) – please contact me:

Please send an email to GoldForNESARA@tx.rr.com with the Subject of: “MTN Investor”:

Please include:

1. Your FIRST NAME and Last name initial.

2. ONE TELEPHONE NUMBER – give your LEAST-used telephone number or a “message” telephone number. Do NOT give your most-used telephone number and do NOT give more than one telephone number.

3. Give me a postal ZIP CODE for your area or an area close to you.

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Together, we are bringing NESARA to the world! NESARA Now!

Blessings and Love,
Dove of Oneness
Executive Director
International NESARA Take Action Teams

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about those bank dentures, count me in! my hyip only pays 1% per day.

but those bank dentures will pay me 100% a week!

WOW!!!

lets get started! give me you e-gold acct. # and i will make a spend right now!

sopsback said...

geez, i mean if we gotta depend on dong rayki to get nesara come in???

i am gonna learn breath holding execises from those ninja warriors coming after the bean.

i think its a better thing to do...


ready:

breath in an count:

1.....2......3......4.....5...


let out breath


1.....2.....3.....4......5..


breath in


1......2......3......4......5



LOOL....LOL....LOOL.....LOL....

near the end said...

Your right Scott I have a short fuse but I'm workin on it.



Scott; Do you think Kurt started the Dorean Group with the sole intent to scam the clients out of money?

Scott from Vineland said...

As much as I hate to say it, yes, that is what I believe. And yes, I know this means that I am calling another persons professed faith into question. But I just can't get past the part of the Dorean process where the newly "free and clear" property is refinanced with another lender. If you truly believe that your original mortgage was fraudulant from its inception, how can you take out another one, pocket the proceeds and still try to claim the moral high ground? If you say that what the lender did to you was wrong, why would you involve your self in that process again? There's only one reason I can see... money. The love of which is the root of all manner of evil, as Brother Hab is always faithful to remind us.

If Kurt's faith in Christ is genuine, then he will forgive my judgemental remarks just as I forgive him for the unkind remarks he has made about me. But since I have not been personally injured by Dorean, it is not mine to forgive those activities.

123456 said...

If it truly were NOT about money, K&S would have done the "process" for FREE, which they did NOT do. Funny, where's all that money now????

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mogel007 said...

Scott from Vineland said: "If I were certain of his sincerity, I would find it easier to cut him some slack."
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Maybe that's what REAL FRIENDS do Scott? They take people's words at face value OR ON FAITH and accept their perceived sincerity with full purpose of heart and full acceptance as long as there is no evidence to the contrary.
Do you have evidence to justify your distain or question their sincerity?

Maybe if you were certain of Kurt's sincerity, you would have to be a God yourself in such a unique position of knowledge. Don't believe your scenario is likely going to happen though.

Is that some sort of Christian concept you are proposing? Treat people with love AND COMPLETE ACCEPTANCE AS LONG AS YOU KNOW THEY ARE SINCERE? No slack to any sinners whatsoever if I question their sincerity. Is that your motto?

Your statements don't condemn Kurt & Scott. I think your own statements condemn yourself & the insufficiency in your own feeble and uncharitable thoughts and standards.

mogel007 said...

"If it truly were NOT about money, K&S would have done the "process" for FREE,"
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That's about as logical as saying if ANY businesses really wanted to provide the best service, they would do everything for free too, not that such a scenario is possibly because money doesn't grow on trees. LOL

mogel007 said...

"Such a scenario is not POSSIBLE, NOT POSSIBLY." Excuse the typo.