Wednesday, June 11, 2008

Sorry...

It appears that my last few blogs have been intercepted by a well meaning enemy of Dorean. Unfortunately these were written to keep you informed during my travels. I have just discovered this and am inconvenienced by my travels to rectify it in a speedy fashion. Please bear with me as I do the best I can. It was my intention to announce my settlement program the day after my final hearing before Alsup. This is just impossible now. This delay does not thwart my remedy only my goal to throw it back in the face of my enemy with a swiftness. I want you to know I am very excited to finally be in this place of restoration. It has been a long hard fight that had many twist and turns, but in the end, those who trust in the Lord will be justified. Those who didn't will have a choice to make from the witness before them. Look for the blog called "Phase One." People get ready for the favor of the Lord. Let us magnify His name together. Whether I get out of jail is irrelevant to this settlement. I can complete it regardless. I will have fun during my last act in this drama before the cowards, showboats, and pretenders. Boy are there going to be some surprises arriving. Talk again soon, and thanks for your patients! (I just realized this was typed on the anniversary of HJR 192. There is a certain ironic joy about that to me. My first meeting was on Jekyll Island and now this. Interesting!)

56 comments:

Scott from Vineland said...

kurt said...
It appears that my last few blogs have been intercepted by a well meaning enemy of Dorean.
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His name was Rex, black & tan, about 18" tall with a red nylon collar. If anyone sees him, grab your pooper-scooper and see if you can retrieve the settlement program.

neodemes said...

Just 90 more days!!!!!!!!!!!!

judge allslop said...

Retard retort report.where is the head ungulate?

judge allslop said...

75 years later and the same minded Quatloose asshole, Ben Bernanke is GETTING concerned inflation is out of hand? Gee,what ever could be the problem?
God's speed Gentlemen.

dr. ira gilac said...

dun woory....jus' put yo tin fool hat on....

~~The Swami~~~ said...

Gentleman.......and you too Neo. I would like to address the following:

Scott from Vineland, you remind me of a movie I saw when I was a small boy. The movie was called "Gus", and like that movie .........you are an ASS until the very end.

notorial dissent said...

the first of the Kurtian yes buts....
It appears that my last few blogs have been intercepted by a well meaning enemy of Dorean.

Kurtums, you don’t have any well meaning enemies, anymore than you have well meaning friends. What you do have is a bag of delusion, that you have swallowed and keep trying to convince yourself that everyone else has as well.

And thus the Kurtian BS begins
It was my intention to announce my settlement program the day after my final hearing before Alsup. This is just impossible now.

Sure it was Kurtums, just like it was your “intention” to make all those nasty old mortgages disappear with your magic papers.

So what great nonsense document are you going to generate this time around to baffle and amaze??? Can hardly wait, haven’t had a good laugh in months it seems like now.

Kurtian bravado, false as ever, to the last
Whether I get out of jail is irrelevant to this settlement. I can complete it regardless. I will have fun during my last act in this drama before the cowards, showboats, and pretenders.

Good thing it is irrelevant since it isn’t going to happen, a lot like a lot of other things you’ve promised to date. Sure you can Kurt, just like you made those nasty old mortgages go away and just like the case would never go to trial, or that it would all be over when you once more dazzled them with one of your home made get out of jail free cards, EXCEPT, none of it happened, did it???? The only fun I foresee, will be in watching your latest round of comedy and the resulting nonsense from you chorus and the eventual flumpf when it too falls flat on its face. You’ve had ever so much practice by now.

Kurtian inanity
My first meeting was on Jekyll Island and now this. Interesting!

Was that with Heckle of Jekyll??

judge allslop said...

Yawn.

dr. ira gilac said...

Yawn.




yep....some days yo get part slop...some days yo git all slop....

habakkuk said...

Hey Neo,

I got one scripture for ya...I know you've heard this one before...Its an oldie but goodie:

Romans 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.

habakkuk said...

Sorry, that one was really for Notorial Diss:)

habakkuk said...

Cant tell the difference sometimes;-)

dr. ira gilac said...

Cant tell the difference sometimes;-)



thats coss yo got all deese ppls yoozin the sime mutant id's...

mogel007 said...

The US Dept. of Justice sent out letters to dorean clients. In the letter to me of April 1, 2008, one sentence kind of stood out to me: "The lead prosecutor for this case is Charles D. Hall. The MAIN charge is categorized as OTHER FRAUD AGAINST BUSINESSES."

No bank fraud, no mail fraud, or wire fraud, just fraud labeled or categorized as "Other fraud" against businesses.

My main question is what businesses came to testify under oath & what is contained on the court record from these businesses to convict the Dorean Group? Since when are Dorean clients who are the ones the Dept. of Justice thinks were the victims of some kind of mail fraud, considered businesses now?

Maybe the US Dept. of Justice & naysayers should make up their mind what the criminal trial was really about!!!

The letter goes on to say: "Additional time was needed to make a determination relative to an Order of Restitution, the judge scheduled a final hearing for restitution for June 10, 2008 at 2:00 p.m. before Judge Alsup."

So I wonder what transpired about restitution a few days ago at this hearing concerning those "businesses"? LOL

mogel007 said...

In other words, THE MAIN CHARGE in the criminal trial, according to the Dept. of Justice was "other fraud against businesses."

The only POSSIBLE businesses were the financial institutions, if you want to call them businesses NOW, & we all know ALL those charges were dropped. So the main alleged fraud was dropped, and the heart & OBJECT of the conspiracy becomes IRRELEVANT, yet still the Principals still got 20+ years for a crime they never committed. Go figure!

How does a Judge figure out restitution or even talk about it when all of the main charges were dropped? Even the Dept. of Justice agrees according to their letter.

Even if the Dept. of Justice considers dorean clients as victims, in the very least, TO BE CONSISTENT, they must be considered as lesser victims IF THEY ARE VICTIMS AT ALL, because remember, "the OTHER FRAUD OR MAIN FRAUD ALLEGEDLY & ACCORDING TO THE DEPT. OF JUSTICE WAS ONLY AGAINST BUSINESSES.

Other Fraud = Bank Fraud?

Businesses = Financial Institutions?

You say PO-TAY-TOE, I say Po-ta-toe,

You say TA-MA-TOE, I say TO-Ma-Toe,

You say NEITHER, I say Nither.

WHEN WILL THEY CALL THE WHOLE THING OFF!!!!!!

LET MY PEOPLE GO!!!!!!!

"Have your people call my people... and get the settlement effectuated"

Things will get straightened out sooner or later. The facade is falling apart & Judge Alsup must see it too.

dr. ira gilac said...

You say PO-TAY-TOE, I say Po-ta-toe,

You say TA-MA-TOE, I say TO-Ma-Toe,

You say NEITHER, I say Nither.





i say its just all slop......with a few bacon bits trow in.....

dr. ira gilac said...

btw, anynone hear about the 2 movise that they are gong to make about a one time italian mayor of providence who was charged with 29 counts of corruption?

he beat all 28 charges but one: "conspiracy to conspire"
which is about as insane as it gets with these RICO bs....or as the former mayor likes to say it on his top rated radio talk show in the morning....

RICO = mayor while being italian, or committing a crime while being italian = RICO

anyway, the fromer mayor is now negotians with TRIBECA FILMS, owner robert deniro, yes, he of "you talkin' to me?" fame to make the film of the former mayors escapades while in office.

in fact, while buddy cianci was in office, providence became known as the "renaissance city" complete with sf style trolley cars.

since the mayors exit, providence has become a crime infested city the equal of south cetnral LA.... or maybe worse....



maybe someone could make a movie of the dg and thier saga over 4 years....???

dr. ira gilac said...

conspiracy to conspire



IF there was ever a charge that is total nonsense, how can this possibly be a crime....let me get this strate now......if i conspire to conspire to.....so if i say to someone...."lest rob a bnak" then thats a conspiracy to conspire to rob.....


in other words, what would you see if you looked at yourself in a mirror with a mirror behind you....or of an artist painting a pic of an artist painting a pic of an artist painting a pic of an artist painting a pic of an artist painting a pic....right!


nothing! or bullshit!

Scott from Vineland said...

dr. ira gilac said...
RICO = committing a crime while being italian
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That's a good one, doc. Gonna share that with all my goombas back in Jersey, if that's OK with you.

Scott from Vineland said...

~~The Swami~~~ said...
Gentleman.......and you too Neo. I would like to address the following:

Scott from Vineland, you remind me of a movie I saw when I was a small boy. The movie was called "Gus", and like that movie .........you are an ASS until the very end.
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Swami,
Actually, I am planning to become a true believer right before "the very end".

As long as you're buying into "the dog ate my homework" business, maybe you'd like to get in on the ground floor of my new "Freedom From Banking" program. In addition to eliminating your debts, I promise to eliminate all of your assets as well. It's quite revolutionary.

neodemes said...

That's potato/tomato.

No 'e' unless plural.

You get the hang of it eventually, moogs.

In the meantime, RAVE ON!

Just 90 more days!

dr. ira gilac said...

Scott from Vineland said...

dr. ira gilac said...
RICO = committing a crime while being italian
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That's a good one, doc. Gonna share that with all my goombas back in Jersey, if that's OK with you.





its OK with me, just dont tell the coomatas...they will rat you out!


coincedentally, there is also a guy on the radio here who is referred to as a sootagila....a little rat OL!

dr. ira gilac said...

correction-there is a guy whom the former mayor on the radio who he refers to as "the sootagila" as hes rattin' everyone out...if anyone even said "hello" to guy in the last 6 years....hes bringin' the 'cheese'

and the ex mayor is having fun with it as he did 6 years hard time and as they say in the business....he "stood up straight" and didnt rat anyone out when he easuly could have his whole adiministration...


i guess you could ask juge beans about "sitting up straight" behind the bench.....LOL!!! no corruption there!

dr. ira gilac said...

lou monte made a funny song about Pepino- il sootagila

pepino the little mouse

dr. ira gilac said...

Pepino, oh, you little mouse
Oh, won't you go away
Find yourself another house to run around and play
You scare my girl, you eat my cheese, you even drink my wine
I try so hard to catch you but you trick me all the time

Cesta no surecillo a basoccella dinda mur
Ogna sere quella esce quanda casa scura
Endo dindo la cucina balla sulasu
A parrano malandrino pura un gabo sapaur

Pepino suracill ana parta scubari
Managa suracill a casa ma dai
Stasira da cucina nu poco di vino ci au lasciar
A quando si briaggo a Pepino giong apa

The other night
I called my girl
I asked her could we meet
I said let's go to my house
We could have a bite to eat
And as we walked in through the door
she screamed at what she saw
There was little Pepino
Doin' the cha, cha on the floor

Pepino suracill ana parta scubari
Managa suracill a casa ma dai
Stasira da cucina nu poco di vino ci au lasciar
A quando si briaggo a Pepino giong apa

Quella non ci piace u formaggio American
Quella va trova no poca Parmesan
La fatto ghiata ghiat gusto ena cor
Quando cella camina para probino caladur

Pepino suracill ana parta scubari
Managa suracill a casa ma dai
Stasira da cucina nu poco di vino ci au lasciar
A quando si briaggo a Pepino giong apa

Scott from Vineland said...

Yer a hoot sometimes, doc!!! Keep the good stuff coming.

neodemes said...

Kurt sez:

"Talk again soon, and thanks for your patients!"

Psychiatric patients, no doubt.

judge allslop said...

The retard twins.Enjoying yourselves? Good, lets fire up the barbecue have a beer and enjoy the moment and the moments yet to come.

dr. ira gilac said...

***BREAKING***



meat the depressed comulist tom russell dies of heat attack....was set to blow the wissel on the turth of the 9/11 attax.....stay toon for futile deetales.....

dr. ira gilac said...

neodemes said...

Kurt sez:

"Talk again soon, and thanks for your patients!"

Psychiatric patients, no doubt.







smot me....an hear i was tinking that dey was talkin' bout' PATENTS©

dr. ira gilac said...

duhhhhh............soon i will almose bee as smot as juge has beans.....dusshhhhhh...opps....duhhhhhh.........

near the end said...

Mogel; Why don't you call or write the US Dept. of Justice and ask them what the other FRAUD was? It would be nice to know what the other businesses where.

notorial dissent said...

I think our dear Moogey would really rather NOT remind them of where he is, minor participant though he was. Some junior prosecutor might be bored and looking for something to do.

near the end said...

OK then notorial dissent; Fair enough then who are the other businesses????????????? or who do you think they are??????

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent says: "I think our dear Moogey would really rather NOT remind them of where he is,"
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Another very stupid comment from you! Didn't I say I recently received a letter from the Dept. of Justice as a dorean client at my home address? IN OTHER WORDS, they know where I live! Big deal. They know where all the dorean clients live since the FBI confiscated all of the paperwork from the Dorean raid in Union City & of course shared all of that information with the Dept. of Justice. If they wanted to mess with a little fish, they would have already done so.

Geez.......
Poor reading comprehension or maybe you're demensia is finally kicking in because you're having real difficulty at connecting the dots together.

mogel007 said...

Near the End said: "Mogel; Why don't you call or write the US Dept. of Justice and ask them what the other FRAUD was?"
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When you can't define or prove something correctly or legally according to the law, it might be called something "other" than what it really is.

There's two types of people in this world. There are the "wise" people and the "other-wise" people. It would be a waste of time to talk to the "others" because even they don't know what they mean & are clueless.

There was no "other fraud" or "other businesses" pled in the criminal case, so all of this stuff is just apparent nonsense now & they keep showing their ignorance. LOL

"Other" Defined: NOT the same, DIFFERENT. Not this. Opposite (the other side of the street). Often used reciprocally with each, and APPLICABLE TO ANY NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS (help each other)". Kurt's appeal makes more sense & just increases in merit when you see a stupid letter like this from the Dept. of Justice.

The government is still trying to justify this alleged "fraud" or criminal case applicable to any number of supposed scenarios or possibilities by calling it "other fraud" even now.

"Other fraud", doesn't have to be the same as "mail fraud" if you call it "other fraud". It doesn't have to be bank fraud, if you call it "other fraud". If the prosecution is dead bent on making & justifying your guilt, you be will be guilty of something even if it is categorically described as something "other" or different than what the prosecution were originally trying to prove in the first place.

They are just making things up as they go, don't you see?

The Dorean Group is about as guilty as "other fraud" about as much as being guilty of being called "fugitives", or guilty of "insurance fraud" even though they never sold any insurance products. These were "other" charges that were never proved or were never intended to be proven. "Other" is almost as conclusive as you can get.

If you're not guilty of something you were charged with, you must be guilty of something other. How does one know this? Well there was so much suffering for dorean clients, so the Dorean Group company must be guilty of something. After all, it can't be the banks doings. This has always been the assumption of the naysayers & is still the assumption of the Dept. of Justice. You can't have a conspiracy without victims.

near the end said...

notorial dissent ,Mogel has got you hands down on this one. What was the other FRAUD. I guess your silence means your stumped!!!!






Oh yeah; what was the other FRAUD NEMO, JUDGE ROY any takers on this one come on anyone????????



Ok OK you guys Kurt and Scott are guilty guilty guilty.


So just tell us who the other businesses were.

If you do I'll never bug ya again!!!!!!!!!!

Scott from Vineland said...

neodemes said...
Kurt sez:

"Talk again soon, and thanks for your patients!"

Psychiatric patients, no doubt.
:-)
:-)
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:-)

Scott from Vineland said...

judge allslop said...
The retard twins.Enjoying yourselves? Good, lets fire up the barbecue have a beer and enjoy the moment and the moments yet to come.
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Great idea, your honor. I was just headed to the grill myself.

Scott from Vineland said...

mogel007 said...
...something. I don't really know, I kinda zone out when I try to read Moogie anymore. His posts are better than Ambien CR.

near the end said...

Hey Scott what do you think of the letter Mogel got from the justice dept. and the other FRAUD?


NEMO and NOTORIAL DISSENT don't seem to want to comment on this. I think they are a little asshamed of themselves.

Judge Roy Bean said...

Gashler the fool and liar said:

"You can't have a conspiracy without victims.

Sure, Byron. Just keep telling yourself that! LOL!

Judge Roy Bean said...

Byron - get yourself an attorney.

Scott from Vineland said...

near the end said...
Hey Scott what do you think of the letter Mogel got from the justice dept. and the other FRAUD?
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Sorry, I must have missed that post. As I said, Moogie makes for very dry reading these days as far as I'm concerned. Did he post his DOJ letter here verbatim? Can you paste it on this thread so I don't have to wade through all of his old stuff to find it?

Scott from Vineland said...

Judge Roy Bean said...
Byron - get yourself an attorney.
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Judge, did you get the gist of Moogie's DOJ letter? Is an indictment forthcoming?

Judge Roy Bean said...

Scott, if we believe anything Gashler posts we're treading on thin ice, but the fact is the US Attorney's office has indicated in court documents that there will be more indictments - but they didn't specify against whom.

Obviously, they don't really need more years tacked on by prosecuting the dim duo further, but "other fraud" is a nice touch when taking things to a grand jury.

And just a hint to Gashler and his ilk, "other fraud against business" is a categorization and it may not include what the dim duo were convicted of.

A short list of businesses that may have been touched by the fraud includes title insurance companies and mortgage insurers.

Gashler likes to act big and promote the myth about prosecutors Kurt has fed him over the years, but the reality is, they're a helluva lot smarter than they've been made out to be.

Again, this isn't legal advice, but if you got one of those letters, you need your own legal counsel and need to ignore BS artists like Gashler.

Federal prosecutors have no sense of humor they're aware of, and they aren't stupid.

notorial dissent said...

and Moogie over reacts
Didn't I say I recently received a letter from the Dept. of Justice as a dorean client at my home address?

No, Moogster, it is you who can’t read. I said remind not tell, I never said anything about you not getting one. Getting paranoid??? It's never too late to start.

Moogie moans
When you can't define or prove something correctly or legally according to the law, it might be called something "other" than what it really is.

It’s a form letter, Moogs, not a legal document, get over it. The fact that they called it fraud is sufficient for general purposes. If you don’t like it, by all means complain to the Justice Department and maybe they’ll do a special one just for you. In the mean time, NO ONE ELSE CARES!!!!! Get over it Moogs, the court verdict is what counted, and a silly form letter sent out by some clerk isn’t going to change what has gone before.

Moogey makes another funny
You can't have a conspiracy without victims.

Wrong as usual. Conspiracy is the act of planning to do something, doesn’t matter if they never got any further than that, and this went to action, so give it up.

mogel007 said...

Judge Beanhead said: "And just a hint to Gashler and his ilk, "other fraud against business" is a categorization and it may not include what the dim duo were convicted of."
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Then the stupid clerk representing the Dept. of Justice lied. What do you call making slanderous remarks in print? Or yea, that's libel!!!!

Clearly, the "other fraud" against businesses (THE MAIN CHARGE), was referring to the Dorean Group & was referring to the criminal trial that transpired already. How do I know this? Let's see, above my name, it said:

Re: United States v. Charles Dewey Tobias, The Dorean Group, Baylor Trust, Farrel J. Lecompte, Kurt F. Johnson, Universal Trust Services, William Julian, The Oxfored Trust, Sara J. Magoon, Dale Scott Heineman, Case # 2004RO1472 and Court Docket # CR050611
United states v. Dale Scott Heineman, et al.

Sorry, don't see my name there. I received a victim's letter from Deborah Kusber, Victim Witness Advocate.

At the top of the letter is a seal of the Dept. of Justice, a little more formal than just a simple form letter.

There's even a part for me to feel out a "Victims Impact Statement".

Either way, someone at the Dept. of Justice, SHOULD CARE that some stupid clerk in a form letter is not representing the truth because it makes the Dept. of Justice look stupid TOO.

Here's a hint to Judge Beanhead. Before you make conclusions, I suggest you read the whole form letter before making comments on it out of pure ignorance.

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent said: It’s a form letter, Moogs, not a legal document, get over it.
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Actual it is a legal document. Those that fill out the paperwork, and state that they were a victim & why are/were required to sign their name & state: "I declare under penalty of law that the above information is true and correct".
Why the legal formality required then to swear under oath, if it's just a form letter & nothing more?

mogel007 said...

Judge Roy Bean said: "Again, this isn't legal advice, but if you got one of those letters, you need your own legal counsel and need to ignore BS artists like Gashler."
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So let me get this straight. If the Dept. of Justice considers you a victim, or potential victim YOU SHOULD GET AN ATTORNEY, as if the victim did something wrong?

First sentence of letter to me:

"Your name was forwarded to our office by law enforcement as a victim (or potential victim) in the above mentioned criminal case."

Judge Beanhead, all dorean clients of record got the same form letter.

mogel007 said...

Notary Dissent says that a conspiracy needs no victims & this somehow applies to the Dorean Group situation & the discussion at hand. Give me a break. Are you saying the prosecution was wrong then when they pled the banks as victims and the jury was wrong when they concluded that the dorean clients were the actual victims of the mail fraud plot?

Maybe that's why the Dept. of Justice is asking victims to swear under oath concerning their experience with the Dorean Group because a victim isn't necessary in a crime or in a conspiracy or the discussion at hand. LOL

A conspiracy involves an unlawful criminal act. A criminal act or crime is against the public good & MUST INCLUDE a victim even if the victim is the public good of society.

Does Mail fraud have a victim? Can someone not be hurt in an unlawful act called a crime & there not exist the object or intended victim of the conspiracy? Can you have a conspiracy that involves no victim or target?

Notarial Dissent, how is your blather relevant to the actual criminal trial that took place?

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent said: "Conspiracy is the act of planning to do something, doesn’t matter if they never got any further than that, and this went to action, so give it up."
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I guess by your definintion conspiracy would include getting married or planning on getting married too. LOL

No, conspiracy must involve an ILLEGAL ACT against the law. You forgot to specifically include the most important element in order to be considered a conspiracy.

Webster you are not!!!

mogel007 said...

Judge Bean said: "A short list of businesses that may have been touched by the fraud includes title insurance companies and mortgage insurers."
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If the prosecutors are so smart, why didn't they include that in the original indictment, did they forget or just wasn't smart enough to think of this possibility in their ever so concern of the "economy of the court's time"?

Any evidence in the court record that the mortgage insurers or title companies lost any money from any payouts they made to any victims? Isn't fraud always an exception WHERE THE TITLE COMPANIES OR MORTGAGE INSURERS NEVER HAVE TO PAY OUT ON? ISN'T THAT ONE OF THE SO CALLED "LOOP HOLES" WHERE THOSE TWO ENTITIES ARE PROTECTED FROM ANY POTENTIAL FINANCIAL LOSS?

Judge, tell me another fairy tale, but at least make it believable.

notorial dissent said...

and as usual the Moogster misses the point
Why the legal formality required then to swear under oath, if it's just a form letter & nothing more?

Moogs, they are attesting to the fact that they were victimized by dim and dimmer, not the letter itself, I didn’t realize your reading disability was a severe as it is, or maybe the simpler answer is that you’re just plain too stupid to get it, which really does fit the facts so very much better.

Moogs is really smoking something now
Are you saying the prosecution was wrong then when they pled the banks as victims and the jury was wrong when they concluded that the dorean clients were the actual victims of the mail fraud plot?

Since, 1) there was no charge before the jury about the banks, and 2) the Dorean clients/victims were only mentioned in passing, and 3) the charge they were convicted on was MAIL FRAUD, none of that happened, except in your deluded mind.

Moogs grasps at straws and comes up empty handed, again
Maybe that's why the Dept. of Justice is asking victims to swear under oath concerning their experience with the Dorean Group because a victim isn't necessary in a crime or in a conspiracy or the discussion at hand. LOL

Or, more likely, they are trying to find out who was victimized, and by how much, and if there was anything else that happened they don’t know about. Also helps to have it under oath if someone is lying about their involvement, you perhaps, or how much they lost. And they could just be looking for some other charges to file and some other people to file them against. Also, perjury charges are really useful against the morally bereft and generally dishonest in encouraging them to answer honestly.

Moogie proves once again, he can’t read
A conspiracy involves an unlawful criminal act. A criminal act or crime is against the public good & MUST INCLUDE a victim even if the victim is the public good of society.

If you bother to look up conspiracy, either in the dictionary, or legally, it means to conspire, not act. Planning is conspiracy, actually doing it is the full criminal act, but it is still illegal to plan/conspire to commit and illegal act. So, wrong yet again.

Moogs blathers some more to no effect
Does Mail fraud have a victim? Can someone not be hurt in an unlawful act called a crime & there not exist the object or intended victim of the conspiracy? Can you have a conspiracy that involves no victim or target?

Mail fraud is the act of using the mails to commit, or attempt to commit fraud. Doesn’t matter if it worked or not or was carried out, you put it in the mail and it is a Federal Felony. Second sentence is your usual gibberish. Conspiracy is the planning of an illegal act, whether or not anything comes of it is irrelevant.

furhter Moogie mouth noises
Notarial Dissent, how is your blather relevant to the actual criminal trial that took place?

Well, unlike you, I stick to the topic, the trial was over mail fraud, and nothing else, that is what they were ultimately charged with, and that is what they were convicted of, and that is what they were sent to prison for. The rest of the charges remain available for action if the US Attorney feels so moved. A very good reason to not draw anymore attention to ones self than necessary, and one Kurt seems constitutionally incapable of acting on.

Moogie trying for self righteous
Webster you are not!!!
Sorry, was just trying to dumb it down enough for you to understand, I know how the big words, over five letters, confuse you.

mogel007 said...

Notarial said: "the Dorean clients/victims were only mentioned in passing, and 3) the charge they were convicted on was MAIL FRAUD,"
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How nice. The Dorean victims were only mentioned in passing in the trial and not pled as victims, yet there is somehow restitution of $512,000 that has to be paid back due to this passing thing since the only victims according to you were the clients as far as the relevancy of the trial is concerned.

What do they call that type of bait & switch stuff. Oh yea, I remember: "Pleading a cause for which there is no legal relief." It is like filing a forcible entry & detainer on a tenant who has already moved out of your rental home & filing a forcible entry & detainer, and then asking the Judge for money damages at the trial hearing when that issue wasn't even originally pled. The Judge will probably just dismiss the case because it was filed wrongfully since you can't plead one thing & demand something entirely different in the trial. It's legal abuse of due process.

notorial dissent said...

Moogie’s mouth moved and nothing of consequence issued forth
The Dorean victims were only mentioned in passing in the trial and not pled as victims, yet there is somehow restitution of $512,000 that has to be paid back due to this passing thing since the only victims according to you were the clients as far as the relevancy of the trial is concerned.

I have never made that statement or claim, and your statement is a total twisting of the facts. The trial was not about the clients, it was about MAIL FRAUD. The fact that the clients, or anyone else for that matter were not mentioned at the trial does not alter the fact that they were at some point and in some fashion victims of the scheme. They were defrauded, and as such may have some claim on the funds remaining.

As usual Moogs, you babble, and you are becoming even less coherent than usual. Incoherent, but still pathetic.