Saturday, June 14, 2008

Restitution (June 12, 2008)

On June 10th Scott and I were before Mr. Alsup for the last time. There was a certain joy about the finality of the experience. It was for a restitution hearing. As it turned out the restitution was set at $512,000.00 roughly. We argued for $60,000,000.00 but they would have none of it. They through out all these large numbers when they want to make us the villains but when equity comes to surface the game completely changes. I know most of you don't understand me yet but I am not playing a game. I am very serious about my role and what I had to prove to my generation of stupefied retards. I will mention one party that I want to make a particular point to. The Mckays are part of the restitution order. I do not care about that. What I do care about is you and your profession of faith. As I wrote you in the past I said silver and gold have I not but what I do have I give to you. I wanted you to share in my faith which is the faith of Christ. I apparently was not successful at inspiring you. This I regret. Now I must confess that the silver and gold part was not completely the truth. I do have the resources to fix your situation and I will not be holding it back. I must do things in a way that works well under the environment of an enemy. My petition to you is that even when the pressures of finance have been taken from you will you still be faithless? I want you so much to come to the full richness of knowing that all your fears and phobias were vanity. God was always about blessing you and you were resistant. That is the self examination tour I hope you will take at the end of the day. What I speak about is the eternal that got lost in all your worries about the cares of this world. The government will not and cannot be your savior. Not on my watch. I will be clearly the Lord. Please pay special attention to the coming announcement about pay-outs. Pray earnestly about your participation so that the devil does not deceive you out of your remedy. I am on your side and have always been. You know this but you didn't trust that still small voice. I intend to punish none of you clients for your ignorance. Your ignorance has been punishment enough. I had to go through the full gauntlet to protect you from yourselves and the enemy. I am not finished yet. I still have to deliver myself. It appears that may be after I have delivered you. After I have proven myself I hope you will be brave enough to say you're sorry and assist me in the final execution of my remedies. Even if you don't I have protected myself against your ignorance but at this time I will punish by not doing the work for you. The government can't find my money. I hid it right in front of their face. Neither can you because you chose to be as blind as the government. Scott and I were always many tiers of thinking above our procedurally bloated enemy. What the Bible says about the snares the enemy sets becomes their own is more true than you can imagine. Mr. Alsup did more to promote me than to extinguish my efforts. Actually with enemies like him who needs friends. I had hoped God would have redeemed him but it is what it is.

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neodemes said...

Kurt sez:

"I will be clearly the Lord."

Nothing manic there.

So, you still have the lion's share of the client money, and you intend to return it.

How nice.

And pay for the lost homes and the needless suffering, too?

Sounds like one full futile circle.

When can the clients expect their remedy...in, what, about 90 days?

neodemes said...

Salvation
__________________

This is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance (and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe.

1 Timothy 4:9,10
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Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

John 3:3-7
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But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Titus 3:4-7

near the end said...

SO then Neo why are you such an Asshole towards Kurt????????????

neodemes said...

Why are you such an asshole, period?

Everyone is an asshole to somebody sometime.

Fact is, Kurt talks about Christ and faith and says nothing of substance about either, inferring that folks lose their homes through foolish ME programs because they have no faith in foolishness.

Where is the concern for eternal salvation?

near the end said...

NEMO; If I were you I'd wait until the appeal process is over dude. Then you can hammer the HELL out of him.

neodemes said...

The hammer has already fallen.

There will be no successful appeal.

Try to keep up.

near the end said...

WOW you know the future you must be a Witch!!!!!!!!!!!

near the end said...

Nemo What about that other fraud business from the justice dept. what's that all about?

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dr. ira gilac said...

$1,000,000,000 in a Day????




easy when yo can invest in FODs like the bakers do......it call fictional banking.......invest a dolla, get back a billon.

dr. ira gilac said...

alomost as good as vesting in billy brawls HYIPs....alomost, not quiet.....

near the end said...

Intresting noone wants to comment on the letter from the justice dept. regarding the other buinesses. It's funny when Mogel sticks it to ya. "NO COMMENT".

SKY said...

You know, I got my daughter into this because I do believe it to be right. HOWEVER, as it has progressed, we ave NOT had much help to understand what has gone on and what will go on. She is still in the program, because frankly we have NO one to deal with who seems to care or understand the thing either. I just hope IF any restitution comes, we will be able to participate since we have never even been able to get a copy of the Trust papers or whatever it is we were told we would need. Our so-called "Christian" agent doesn't even have a home in the program and doesn't know or seem to care one whit about anything except he got his money from us.

SKY said...

You know, I got my daughter into this because I do believe it to be right. HOWEVER, as it has progressed, we ave NOT had much help to understand what has gone on and what will go on. She is still in the program, because frankly we have NO one to deal with who seems to care or understand the thing either. I just hope IF any restitution comes, we will be able to participate since we have never even been able to get a copy of the Trust papers or whatever it is we were told we would need. Our so-called "Christian" agent doesn't even have a home in the program and doesn't know or seem to care one whit about anything except he got his money from us.

SKY said...

So all we have gotten out of the program is confusion and NO help to speak of. I talked my daughter into putting her house into this. It has been a mess from the jump. The so-called "Christian" agent we have doesn't even have a house in the program. He got our money and that is all he seems to know.
The person who is supposed to help has absolutely NO compassion for the fact that we do not understand anything that is going on. I just hope my daughter does not suffer from the advice I gave her. I believe the concept is very right. We have been robbed through credit, contracts etc. It is right to be able to get the money and the house. BUT, is this the way? I surely hope so. Being we never even got copies of our Trust papers, who knows......

dr. ira gilac said...

"Being we never even got copies of our Trust papers, who knows......




"In God We TRUST".......

dr. ira gilac said...

also....dont fourget to get yoslef a couple of nice double layer tin fool hats in the next few days....as you know they will bee starting up the large super cauldron to smash atoms in CERN swaziland on the 21st of joon. they say tath it could crate a large black hoole in the aerth. then ppl ho always ware balck ropes like juge beans wood fall into it...then all the corrup juds wood disaper....woodnt that be nice!

countdown clock: http://www.lhcountdown.com/

Another thing which is peering at us from out there in the soon to arrive future is the operation of the Large Hadron Collider which is set to be activated in about 21 days, 16 hours from our press time according to LHCcountdown.com.



Frankly, I don't have much use for Higgs bosons/ the Force which the experiment is seeking, but a few rather well-read readers have expressed concern about the potential for some serous warping of space-time as a result of its operation and that, says the buzz around the net may be a cause for concern.


so be quick now...start making yo tin fool hats...maybe yo can even sell some and make some money......


invest in tin fool hats:

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dr. ira gilac said...

"....expressed concern about the potential for some serous warping of space-time as a result of its operation and that, says the buzz around the net may be a cause for concern.




yeah...maybe yo can go bak in time to when yo singed yo proomis note, and resend yo mtg. and get yo money back from the bank!

dr. ira gilac said...

"...scooty, beem me back down...they just made this new macheen in switchland so i can now go back in time and erase my mogage..."

dr. ira gilac said...

Communication with Kirk, Commander of Starship Enterpies

.
Welcoming Kirk.

Kirk: Good morning. You are right on time and that is
appreciated. This week, if our information is correct, will be a
great week for you and your nation. There is much good that can
come from the events of this week that I have been assured will,
finally, happen.

There will be the distribution of the
prosperity funds to the thousands of recipients.

There will be
the release of funds to your Canadian friend, if our information
is correct.

That will be great news for you. In addition, there
will be a dramatic change, hopefully this week, in your nation's
government. That will come as great news to us here aboard the
Capricorn, because that will lead to the removal of the orders to
your Air Force to try to shoot down any UFOs, which are often our
shuttles. Then we can come and be among you and be able to do
the many things that we are being asked to do, thanks to your
communication with us and the sharing of our conversations on the
Internet with others.

dr. ira gilac said...

Harry Mudd: "Its about time Kirk....weve been waitin' on this freakin' desolate planet for years now.....you know...i cant keep runnin' these HYIPs scams anymore....the Untied Federation of Plants© is catching up to me...they gonna send me to the goolog to mine dilated crystals....."

dr. ira gilac said...

......intrasting......


Will we ever see the funding of these Prosperity Programs and Farm Claims, and NESARA implemented? That is still the plan.


Without NESARA, you will be labeled a "terrorist" by the Department of Homeland Security, and your money will be seized, and you will be incarcerated for life, if not killed.




that means thay gonna take all you HYIPs money when it payout and trow yo in the can......

mogel007 said...

Nemo says: "The hammer has already fallen. There will be no successful appeal."
_____________________________

Do you conclude that because Judge Alsup has already ruled on the appeal? Do you assume he is the last authority?

mogel007 said...

Nemo says: "I will be clearly the Lord."
Nothing manic there."
________________________________

D&C 1: 38

"What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall NOT PASS AWAY, but SHALL ALL BE FULFILLED, whether by mine own voice, or by the VOICE OF MY SERVANTS, IT IS THE SAME."

Simple concept for some. Difficult concept for others with no faith.

mogel007 said...

Nemo said: "There will be no successful appeal."
_________________________________

Nemo, is this your prophetic voice speaking?
Apparently a successful appeal is not necessary for the financial remedy for all clients & a time frame was not mentioned this time in number of days.

"I do have the resources to fix your situation and I will not be holding it back. I must do things in a way that works well under the environment of an enemy."

Courts and government can decide to infringe on our rights & property, but THERE IS ALWAYS A REMEDY for that.

If you believe otherwise, you have no faith, have no hope, and are in despair. Despair cometh because of iniquity. When you lose your faith, the Devil takes control.

Can't it still be possible that the Lord is still in control of the Dorean Group situation and the events perceived as unfortunate to many, are still a blessing in disguise to the ignorant or those that lost homes? Not all events perceived as bad, are in fact bad for us in the eternal perspective!

Nemo, for the Dorean Group to put their lives on hold & fight for their beliefs at all costs, shows a courage that only coincides with the eternal perspective.

It's clear that the Dorean Group will provide a remedy first to clients, and then provide a remedy for themselves later. Doesn't this type of unselfishness show an eternal perspective of how salvation should work by thinking of others FIRST, or did you miss that point?

mogel007 said...

"You save yourself by losing yourself in the service of others by putting others first and your own needs & wants, & desires last." Jesus showed this by his own life example. In essence this spirit of service & seemingly debasement, in essence exalts you in the eternal perspective of things. It is only through taking up the cross that you become a disciple of Christ. Kurt & Scott could have walked away a long time ago to avoid all of this.

This truly is an eternal perspective, and speaks more about personal & eternal salvation & true character than what I've heard you talk about Nemo. Even the Devil & his angels can quote scripture.

Nemo, speaking of eternal salvation & things, you know nothing of the doctrine of "endurance"; the scriptural doctrine of "enduring to the end" to be saved. Salvation is not an event, it's a life's journey. If you did understand this doctrine, you wouldn't have judged the Dorean Group or their program so harshly from day one & wouldn't still be now trying to cut down the character of Kurt & Scott through your ridicule even now.

It's not over, and God's work is not yet completed & things aren't as they seem.

neodemes said...

Try as you might you will never work your way to godhood, moogs.

You have been duped.

Tragic and sad and still you RAVE ON!

Oh, and btw, get your quotes sraight:

Kurt sez:

"I will be clearly the Lord."

neodemes said...

Here is D & C for you, moogette.

notorial dissent said...

The Bilge Report for June 12, 2008 wherein a lack of brevity doesn’t make up for a lack of sincerity or honesty.

$512,000, pitiful, just pitiful, all that cheating and lying, and that is all you have to show for it. Just pathetic.

Moogie blathers along
Nemo, is this your prophetic voice speaking?
Apparently a successful appeal is not necessary for the financial remedy for all clients & a time frame was not mentioned this time in number of days.

No, just the logical end to an otherwise dreary scenario. Apparently you are still deluding yourself, no big surprise there, in order remedy the financial fix would require a pot to piss in, of which they are long out of.

more Kurt blather
"I do have the resources to fix your situation and I will not be holding it back. I must do things in a way that works well under the environment of an enemy."
Right, so you are going to blow more smoke, and waste more time.

Moogey tries real hard to sound profound, and fails
Courts and government can decide to infringe on our rights & property, but THERE IS ALWAYS A REMEDY for that.
If that were the case you might have something valid to say, but since it isn’t just more of your BS.

Moogie plays naive
Can't it still be possible that the Lord is still in control of the Dorean Group situation and the events perceived as unfortunate to many, are still a blessing in disguise to the ignorant or those that lost homes? Not all events perceived as bad, are in fact bad for us in the eternal perspective!
Since I don’t remember anything in the bible about the Lord sanctioning theft, deceit, and out and out fraud, those in the know say NO!!!!

more Moogs blather
Nemo, for the Dorean Group to put their lives on hold & fight for their beliefs at all costs, shows a courage that only coincides with the eternal perspective.
Sure they did, threw themselves in that jail cell to make a point they did. Lying and stealing they did, anything else was at then end of an arrest warrant.

Moogie really stretching this time
It's clear that the Dorean Group will provide a remedy first to clients, and then provide a remedy for themselves later. Doesn't this type of unselfishness show an eternal perspective of how salvation should work by thinking of others FIRST, or did you miss that point?
Is that like they were going to do away with the mortgages and leave the properties free and clear, not get arrested, not go to trial, walk away from the trial free and clear? The word you are looking for is BS, the only thing Kurt ever did anything for was himself, hardly selfless.

Pathetic Moogs, just plain pathetic.

near the end said...

It's funny how Dim "N.D." and NEMO "Duo" ignore the fact; regarding the other BUSINESSES; What's up with that what are they afraid of by not responding?

near the end said...

It's funny how Dim "N.D." and NEMO "Duo" ignore the fact; regarding the other BUSINESSES; What's up with that what are they afraid of by not responding?

notorial dissent said...

Not ignoring anything, haven't seen the letters in question, may well have been a form letter, and there was no category for inept stupid con artist/idiot.

It is a letter, they were convicted of fraud, that is all that matters, and I certainly have no intention of giving any credence to anything rearend or the Moogster says on face value, plus,
****I really don't really care.****

The dim duo are sitting in prison, convicted of fraud, and that is where they are going to stay. It could just as easily have said they were guilty of being stupid without a license for all the difference it makes.

mogel007 said...

Nemo says: "Try as you might you will never work your way to godhood, moogs."
_________________________

"Be ye therefore PERFECT, even as your Heavenly Father is perfect."

"Come Follow Me."

"Everything that is hidden shall be revealed."

"We will be joint heirs with Christ".

"Let US make man in OUR own image."

What do Sons of God become? Would a loving Father hold anything back?

We'll just agree to disagree on the doctrine, but it's plastered all over the New Testament & even the Old Testament.

Scott from Vineland said...

near the end said...
Hey Scott what do you think of the letter Mogel got from the justice dept. and the other FRAUD?
___________________________________
Sorry, I must have missed that post. As I said, Moogie makes for very dry reading these days as far as I'm concerned. Did he post his DOJ letter here verbatim? Can you paste it on this thread so I don't have to wade through all of his old stuff to find it?

near the end said...

N.D. You talk as if you don't have an education!!!!!!!!! That was the worst come back yet.

dr. ira gilac said...

whyo still all wurry bout the dg???


nosira is even better...wating fo the sellments....




According to a friend of mine, back in the late 80s early 90s you setup a procedure to where you picked some 140,000 individuals to be giving them anywhere from 10 to 100 million dollars to setup foundations, trust funds, and other various charitable establishments. Now my friend is one of these 140,000 individuals who has been, like the others lucky enough to be chosen/accepted, receiving information from a contact of yours (or whoever/whatever may be running this procedure) for years just like the other 140,000 who have all been given contact information. From what i understand from your NESARA Bill is that you're intending on clearing Federal debt, not personal debt, so my question is, are you really giving 140,000 people 10-100 million dollars in various accounts around the country allowing access to these accounts through central banks (not yet set up) that are connected to the various offshore accounts holding the money for these individuals?

dr. ira gilac said...

setup a procedure to where you picked some 140,000 individuals to be giving them anywhere from 10 to 100 million dollars to setup foundations, trust funds, and other various charitable establishments.









$10 to $100 million?


that pay even better than belly brawls HYIPs pay....


ho i can get in on this???

dr. ira gilac said...

then i be able to by a grill and fur it up.....

dr. ira gilac said...

From what i understand from your NESARA Bill is that you're intending on clearing Federal debt, not personal debt, so my question is, are you really giving 140,000 people 10-100 million






to pay federal dept and not personal dept.?????

yo then if i cant pay my montage with, then WTF??

Judge Roy Bean said...

Sky - you're not alone, but there is an organized process under which you can have the trust dissolved and your interest (just your financial interest, not a free and clear deed) restored.

You will need an attorney. It may cost you anywhere from $1,500 to $3,000 maybe more depending on the amount of leg work they have to do on her behalf.

If and when you contact one, have them do a PACER search for a CIVIL case involving Johnson and/or Heineman in the Northern District of California. They'll find the case where victims are taking the necessary steps to get the trusts out of the way. Your daughter can at least restore her interest (not get it free and clear) in the property via the procedure the court set up.

Not having the trust documents will be something only your local counsel can effectively address.

If you don't take these kinds of steps, she will find her property is essentially unsellable.

SKY said...

Well, thanks, Judge. I was given the Quit Claim Deed back notarized and signed by Scott and Kurt and it was "executed". The "Dr" told me it was all I need to get the property back in her name. ?? We haven't filed it yet. I have no faith in him since he is always so condescending and rude.

near the end said...

Once you file it you can Sell it give it away take a line of credit out on it do with it what she will's.

The Judge Roy must be an Attorney and maybe he thinks you will hire him to do it so he can line his pockets.

Judge Roy Bean said...

Sky, this isn't legal advice, but I would not trust any document prepared by Johnson.

Again, you need the advice of local counsel.

dr. ira gilac said...

juge beans should be santoned by the SECs, becasue he bawt a lot of jonson & jonson stock and now he legalyzed "happy" marrages in cali.

so, now his j&j stock will really "rise" becasue j&j will be selling "loads" of vaseleen.....LOL!!!

this is blatnat insyder trading!

near the end said...

Sky this is not legal advice but a Quitclaim deed is a very simple doc. Grantor grantee legal name legal address etc..

Scott from Vineland said...

Sky,

Oddly enough, JRB and NTE both have valid points here. A Quit-Claim Deed (QCD) is not a very complicated document, even for a lay-person. You should be able to go to the courthouse and request a copy of the recorded deed where she originally put her property into the DG trust. If the GRANTEES on THAT document are exactly the same as the GRANTORS on the new QCD and the new QCD is properly witnessed and notarized, you're probably good to go.

That being said, the names Kurt F. Johnson and D. Scott Heineman have been red-flagged at lots of court clerk's and register's offices around the country as a result of fraud bulletins published by various tile insurance companies and other agencies. Again, the staff at your county clerk or register's office should be able to give you some direction there. Despite what a lot of people here would like you to believe, they have no interst in screwing you over.

I'm not an attorney so like JRB & NTE said, none of this is qualified legal advice. But I do know how expensive and intimidating it is to try to hire a lawyer. JRB's advice to seek counsel is certainly good advice but if that's not feasible, don't despair. There is a good chance you can get through this part yourself.

judge allslop said...

The quick claim deed can be acceptable in a re fi situation. The Deed can never be transfered without THE REQUEST TO MODIFY PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION being satisfied. This can vary from State to State,so you have some home work to do.
This letter writing campaign usually goes better when Attorneys speak to Attorneys.The Judge presiding Is Maria James.It is faster if you contact the deputy clerk(Brenda
Tolbert) directly.Letters will have to be written to the title co, Kurt and Scott, mortgage holder,the US attorneys Etc. All have 45 days to respond, silence is acceptance that no liability exists.If so the court then recommends to modify said injunction. When all party's receive a copy of said modification they still have 10 more days to object.

dr. ira gilac said...

as a result of fraud bulletins published by various tile insurance companies and other agencies.



yah....whver yo do, dun let em' fix yo flo......yo mite fall tro it.....

dr. ira gilac said...

btw, the tiles in my batroom are staring to crak, ho do i fill a clame for it with my tile insherance compani?

SKY said...

The Quit Claim Deed is the one we filed to give the property over to Scott and Kurt. It is notarized and signed by both of them as "executed"

Judge Roy Bean said...

Sky, I can't emphasize this enough:

If you want to extricate your daughter's property from this fiasco, don't rely on anything you have been told or are given by the very people who scammed you, including the convicted scammer "Doctor" Johnson.

Real property laws vary from state to state and the lender who claims an interest in her property knows far more about them than Johnson would have you believe.

I realize the cost of an attorney may be prohibitive, but I don't trust lenders any farther than I can throw them. They will have counsel jealously protecting their interests. I would have to assume they WILL take advantage of your daughter if they see an opportunity.

Without competent local counsel the risks are that she could lose everything.

mogel007 said...

Judge Roy Bean said: "If you don't take these kinds of steps, she will find her property is essentially unsellable."

NOT TRUE. You don't have to dissolve the trust to get back ownership of the home or to sell your home. If you have ownership of the home again through a properly prepared & signed & notarized quit claim deed, you can sell your home or even encumber the home with a new lien through a refinance or new line of credit.

If you dissolve the trust, you dissolve your relationship with the presentment, and the administrative judgment, and if you believe that they'll be a financial settlement, you won't participate in it, so Judge Beanhead's advise is not only inaccurate, but poorly thought through.

Why would any reasonable person pay an attorney $3,000 to prepare a simple quit claim deed that you can find the format on the internet yourself & type it up properly with the proper legal description from your own original closing documents, and even if you have difficulty understanding what needs to be done, many County Recorder agents are happy to help you prepare the quit claim deed correctly for free. Judge Bean's comments basically infer that the trustees are unable to give you back title to the property, in which he is unable to defend that argument.

If you want to throw away your money, and overspend on something you can do yourself, or with a little help, just listen to Judge Bean.

Naysayers complain about $3,000 to spend to get a mortgage eliminated, but think nothing of having these poor clients spend another $3,000 to give to an attorney that is not really needed. This is not an intricate legal problem. Don't know how an attorney can justify the expense with the little effort and time it takes to transfer title. Interesting hypocrisy there.

mogel007 said...

Judge Roy Bean said: "Sky, this isn't legal advice, but I would not trust any document prepared by Johnson."
________________________

Again, another false assumption by Judge Bean. Johnson is not PREPARING any document here. The trustees/representative are just signing a quit claim. Someone else other than Johnson prepares the quit claim document to be signed. Another lie by Judge Bean.

Sky, this isn't legal advise, but I wouldn't trust that Judge Bean has your best financial interests at heart, because he isn't providing you all of the facts & even seems to be distorting the facts here.

Dissolving the trust is a voluntary situation by the client. Judges don't have the authority to dissolve or force the dissolvement of a legal trust. The trusts were never declared to be illegal entities.

Judge Bean wants you to believe a lie that a dissolvement of the trust is a mandatory situation in order to perfect the title transfer back to the dorean client.

mogel007 said...

Judge Bean said: "Without competent local counsel the risks are that she could lose everything."
________________________________

How does NOT dissolving the family trust, NOT HIRING AN ATTORNEY FOR A SIMPLE DOCUMENT, now became equal to losing everything now? If that isn't a pile of crap, & fear mongering, what is?

If you listen to the advise of Judge Bean, the risks are very great you will probably become the 1 in 5 persons on that TV commercial that will get or already has herpes! How's that for a fear tactic? Is it working?
What did Kurt say in the latest blog? Don't let anyone cheat you out of what you have coming to you.

mogel007 said...

Sky said: "I have no faith in him since he is ALWAYS so condescending and rude."
_______________________________

Always? I doubt that very much! I don't believe anyone is always a certain way. Are you being fair & truthful in your personal judgment? Maybe your universal judgment could be considered as rudeness & condescending to some, as if you think you are a better person than Dr. Johnson? After all I bet Dr. Johnson reads your post, and never bothers to complain about you or even defends himself against your accusations.

Obviously, you had enough faith in him to have him do the necessary legwork & get the quit claim deed signed & notarized WHICH I MIGHT ADD, HE GOT ACCOMPLISHED. He did his job, (MUCH CHEAPER THAN AN ATTORNEY I might add), and you haven't done your job & that could be interpreted as rudeness and unappreciative, could it not?
Considering your attitude towards him, I would guess he didn't charge you enough!

Being condescending & rude has nothing to do with getting a job done & doing it well. It's more of a personal preference on what kind of person you prefer to deal with.

That would be like me saying to you that you are being rude by complaining about the problems of the title to the home, by not being serious about solving the problem & BECAUSE OF THAT, I CAN'T TRUST YOU or have faith in you or what you say? After all, anyone could say: "I don't believe you are really interested in getting title back to the home since you haven't bothered at this point in time to even get the document recorded for your daughter, and your lack of SERIOUSNESS on this issue, makes others not have trust in what you say or even your motives."

Everyone I've ever met is rude from time to time, & usually always not ever intending to be. Overlook it & forgive. Dr. Johnson still has your best interests at heart, even if he may have hurt your feelings or rubbed you the wrong way. I can say with almost certainty, he didn't mean to rub you the wrong way & if he did, he would be the first to apologize. He's apologized to people even more than you have complained. It's very hard to dislike someone like that, or it's very difficult for a charitable person to dislike or judge harshly someone like that.

We all have our own unique ways we like to be handled. No one can know your preferences unless they know you very well & you tell them specifically. Is there an expectation on your part that Dr. Johnson should know your personality better? Maybe you are being too sensitive? A charitable person "is not easily offended". 1 Corinthians Chapt. 13. Faith/trust, hope & charity. What is the greatest gift?

Dr. Johnson possesses most if not all of the qualities of a charitable person in my opinion. Even Jesus offended people from time to time.

How many apparent offenses are in your inaccurate judgments or your own hypocrisy? Should anyone take offense? Probably not.

mogel007 said...

Judge Bean said: "If you don't take these kinds of steps, she will find her property is essentially unsellable."

Then Judge Bean said: "They (lenders) will have counsel jealously protecting their interests. I would have to assume they WILL take advantage of your daughter if they see an opportunity."

Course according to Judge Bean's thinking, how can you sell or encumber a property & take advantage of a potential borrower, if you don't dissolve the trust? In this particular example, only a quit claim deed has been prepared. The answer is: "Well, lenders will find a way!!!!! Unsaleable, unencumberable," yea, sure!!!! Keep contradicting yourself. LOL

"IN MY ATTORNEY I TRUST, WHO WAS DISBARRED IN 49 STATES." Hey he's legal to practice in my State though.

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent said: "Not ignoring anything, haven't seen the letters in question, may well have been a form letter, and there was no category for inept stupid con artist/idiot."
_____________________________

You'll have to do better than that. It's not a crime to be a stupid idiot, otherwise, all retarded people would be in jail. You were right about the "form letter" though.

It is a crime to lie & deceive however, or not follow the "Crime Victims Rights Act", which I feel the Dept. of Justice has not done, and the Dept. of Justice have lied by inferring things that just aren't true. They aren't following their own rules:

"The Crime Victims Rights Act gives victims of criminal offenses in Federal court certain rights, including (1) The right to be reasonably protected from the accused; (2) The right to reasonable, ACCURATE, and timely notice of any public court PROCEEDING, INCLUDING THE CRIME, or of any release or escape of the accused; "OTHER FRAUD AGAINST BUSINESSES." Nope. That wasn't one of the charges the Jury signed off on as being guilty of, let alone the main charge. LOL Hey, I wonder which victims, or "Businesses" as Deborah Kusber/Victim Witness Advocate, said, these form letters went to also? LOL I'm suppose to be Victim Identification Number 2019977, however, even though I'm assumed to be a victim, or potential victim, still that conclusion, hasn't been established by the Justice Dept. in their form letter.

(3) The right not to be excluded from any such public court proceeding, unless the court, after receiving clear and convincing evidence, determines that testimony by the victim would be materially altered if the victim heard other testimony at that proceeding, (4) The right to be reasonably heard at any public proceeding in the district court involving release, plea, or sentencing, (5) The reasonable right to confer with the attorney for the Government in the case;
(6) The right to FULL and timely restitution as provided in law, (yeah that will happen) What was the restitution amount again decided again? $512,000? How many clients will that amount pay back their full entrance fees assuming of course the clients were victims? LOL
(7) The right to proceedings free from UNREASONABLE DELAY, (yeah that was apparent through the State & Federal trials, wasn't it, LOL) and (8) The right to be treated with fairness and with respect for the victim's dignity and privacy.

The Justice Dept. believes there are only a little over 500 victims. That number doesn't coincide with all of the actual clients that paid monies. Course than again that makes about as much sense as this statement in the form letter: "Charges have been filed against defendant(s) D. Scott Heineman, Kurt F. Johnson, .... The main charge is categorized as Other Fraud Against Businesses."

SKY said...

Well Mooge, I know what I said and I told the truth. Not knowing or understanding this process very much, I was at the Dr.s complete mercy. Do you honestly think I would be rude myself? NO! I tried very hard to understand and it is like when I learned the computer. The person telling me knew all you could want or need to know, but I knew nothing.
When I said he was condescending and rude, I meant what I said. Yes, he said call anytime day or night. But, you know what? Why would you call someone who from the beginning seemed agitated that he had to deal with you in the first place?
Furthermore I did not name him, you did.
Now you quit trying to tell me what experience I had with the man, when I am certainly smart enough to know.
I appreciate any advice you are trying to give me to help but at the same time give me some credit.
I may not know this process, but I surely know when I am being dealt with in a less than gracious manner.

habakkuk said...

Mogel said....
Naysayers complain about $3,000 to spend to get a mortgage eliminated, but think nothing of having these poor clients spend another $3,000 to give to an attorney that is not really needed. This is not an intricate legal problem. Don't know how an attorney can justify the expense with the little effort and time it takes to transfer title. Interesting hypocrisy there.

LOL!!! EXACTLY:-)

Judge Roy Bean said...

The known liar and con man Gashler is still trying to perpetuate the scheme.

A simple quit-claim on behalf of the trust may not clear up the issue for your property, as dozens of Dorean victims have learned. It depends on how far into the process you got.

Because of their continued issuance of all kinds of bogus legal nonsense while they were in jail, the court issued an order halting the process of having Heineman and Johnson sign and return quit-claims and instituted a formal process to issue individual court orders that restore the victim's (and other parties') interest in the affected property without having the dim duo involved.

Again, depending on how far the process got in your case, there may or may not be third or even fourth parties who have an interest in the property. If you're in that category of 'victim' it may take a court order to restore the property records to a status that will allow the sale or transfer.

What the liar Gashler wants everyone to believe is that there still will be some mystical payout and that they'll need to have these trusts in place in order to share in it.

Sorry, the Fairy Godmother isn't coming.

Whether or not a trust is a good idea isn't something you should listen to scam artists about.

mogel007 said...

Judge Bean said: "A simple quit-claim on behalf of the trust may not clear up the issue for your property, as dozens of Dorean victims have learned. It depends on how far into the process you got."
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Not true. I got as far into the process as you can get, & I put a line a credit on my home in addition to the discharged mortgage, so you obviously don't know what you are talking about, so does that make you the known liar now or just misinformed?

And you are changing your story now by saying a quitclaim MAY NOT clear up the issue for your property. Remember, before you were talking about LOSING EVERYTHING. How soon you forgot.

Dozens of Dorean clients chose to take the more expensive & more complicated route to get back legal title. They didn't learn there was an easier way, so they learned nothing.

mogel007 said...

Judge Roy Bean lied again: "Because of their continued issuance of all kinds of bogus legal nonsense while they were in jail, the court issued an order halting the process of having Heineman and Johnson sign and return quit-claims"
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Prove by transcripts, that this was the justification or the reason or the motive of the court because legitimately signing a quit claim deed is not considered
legal nonsense. Your responses are laughable.

mogel007 said...

Judge Bean says: "If you're in that category of 'victim' it may take a court order to restore the property records to a status that will allow the sale or transfer."
______________________________

Here we go again, the all to difficult word called "victim' which is undefineable still by you.
Who are the victims, of the "other fraud", THE MAIN CHARGE, according to the "form letter" that went out to all dorean clients of record? The businesses, the financial institution, the dorean clients who were not brokers or agents, the one's who were victims only of alleged "mail fraud", or the one's that are owed $512,000, or the ones that are owed $60,000,000 +, or the ones that are issued special ID numbers by the Dept. of Justice in those form letters, or anyone that lost money or property in the dorean process, or only those names specifically listed by the Court to be repaid back monies, or all Dorean clients? Being a victim CERTAINLY DOESN'T DEPEND ON HOW FAR A CLIENT GOT IN THE PROCESS. I would say all Brokers for sure, got as far in the process as you can go.

How crazy all of your posts are. You talk of all dorean clients that were conned & lied to by certain Brokers or agents, but you are unable to specify who the victims are & why. Even the Court is confused how to deal with the subject called restitution.

mogel007 said...

Judge Bean says: "What the liar Gashler wants everyone to believe is that there still will be some mystical payout and that they'll need to have these trusts in place in order to share in it."

It is not something mystical.
First of all, you aren't a prophet, so you can't be sure what the future holds. Second of all the trust in essence challenged the banks & any damages was transfered to the trust, by the client by contract, so if there is a remedy or money damage, it is going to the trust. You cancel the trust, you cancel the money damages & the administrative judgment. If it is real and valuable, you have cancelled something real & valuable.

If it is not worth the paper it is written on, you still have nothing at risk now to believe, other than your time & upfront fees, which are already gone.

"Pray earnestly about your participation so that the devil does not deceive you out of your remedy. I am on your side and have always been."

JUDGE: Believing in the concept that the lenders cheated the borrowers, does not subject you to LOSING EVERYTHING, AS YOU SAY, but believing in a restitution remedy, also does not hurt you either. If I'm wrong, a client has just lost faith & time in believing in something that was just not possible due to the crooked system. If I'm right, and a remedy is still possible,
than by cancelling the trust, the Devil has cheated you. I don't see the great risk or downside that you have imagined.

It's a scenario of heads I win, tails I don't lose.

mogel007 said...

Judge Bean says: "The known liar and con man Gashler is still trying to perpetuate the scheme."
________________________________

Perpetuate a scheme for what personal motive or purpose?

Or just trying to help complete the intents & purposes of the dorean process in the first place? A scheme has no interest in completing what was promised or started.

Judge Roy Bean said...

If you read the nonsense gibberish filings in the civil case that this order was issued in, it's quite clear that anything coming from Johnson was useless. The process was set up to bypass the dim duo unless they decided to try and object in each individual circumstance.

From the US Attorney's Office:
"As mentioned in the government’s Further Case Management Status dated June 15, 2006, filed under C 05-2730 WHA, the government has received a number of inquiries from borrowers, or counsel representing borrowers, whether the pending injunction could be modified to permit defendants Heineman and Johnson, trustees of so-called “family trusts,” to transfer by quitclaim deed property interests back to certain borrowers who had initally engaged the Dorean Group’s services. Apparently, with property interests remaining in Heineman’s and Johnson’s hands, the
corresponding borrowers are unable to seek a lawful refinancing of their loans.

Given the spectrum of culpability amongst borrowers involved in this case, the government does not consent to a modification of the injunction for all borrowers.
In addition, the government cannot speak on behalf of the corresponding lenders with respect to these inquiries. However, pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 3145, the government proposes the appointment of a magistrate judge as a “temporary receiver” to administer these anticipated applications for transfers of property interests and any responses and objections from the government and/or the corresponding lenders.
The government proposes that any borrower seeking the aforementioned modification of the injunction submit his/her application to the appointed magistrate judge. The government, and the corresponding lender (or lenders), would have 45 days to respond. Based upon the
submitted papers, the magistrate court would determine whether or not to modify the injunction for the applicant, subject to appeal to this Court."

And the text of the order (the process):

"WHEREAS, the government is agreeable to a case-by-case review of applications for modifications of the Preliminary Injunction, given the spectrum of culpability amongst borrowers in this case.
Accordingly, IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that
(1) Pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 636(b)(1), Magistrate Judge __________________ is hereby
designated to hear and determine requests by borrowers to modify, for the limited purpose set forth above, the Preliminary Injunction to allow such borrowers the opportunity to cure defects in
title to their properties caused by defendants’ debt elimination scheme.
(2) Borrowers seeking to so modify the Injunction, and any interested parties, shall follow the following procedure:
(A) The borrower shall file a “Request to Modify the Preliminary Injunction for [Property Address]” (the “Request”). This Request shall briefly state, in no more than 5 pages, the reasons for the sought modification, and shall describe the proposed transaction with sufficient particularity as to allow a determination on the Request. A copy of this Request shall be served by mail to: (1) Dale S. Heineman, 12152-081, FCI Dublin Correctional Facility, 5701 8th Street, Camp Parks, Dublin, California 94568; (2) Kurt F. Johnson, 13177-081, FCI Dublin Correctional Facility, 5701 8th Street, Camp Parks, Dublin, California 94568;
(3) lenders with secured interests
in the real property identified as the Property Address (above);
(4) counsel for the government in
the related criminal case (No. CR 05-0611 WHA), Peter B. Axelrod and James E. Keller, United States Attorney’s Office, Northern District of California, 450 Golden Gate Avenue, 11th Floor,
San Francisco, California 94102; and (5) counsel for the government in this civil action, Steven
J. Saltiel, Civil Division, United States Attorney’s Office, 450 Golden Gate Avenue, Box 36055,
San Francisco, California 94102.
(B) The recipients identified in Paragraph 2(A) above will have 45 days from the time of the mailing of the Request to file a Response opposing, unopposing, or taking no position as to the Request. Responses to a Request must state the grounds for oppositions thereto, if any, and may not exceed 5 pages in length. The magistrate may, in his or her discretion, base the proposed determination solely on the written submissions of the interested parties, or on the
submissions and a hearing. The parties that object to a Request shall be afforded an opportunity
to attend any hearing held pursuant to this Order.
(C) The magistrate shall file his or her proposed findings and recommendations with the Court, and a copy shall be mailed to all interested parties. The agistrate’s determination shall be subject to de novo review as set forth in 28 U.S.C. § 636(b)(1).
Accordingly, within ten days
of being served with a copy, any party may serve and file written objections to the proposed findings and recommendations. This Court may then accept, reject, or modify, in whole or in part, the findings and recommendations made by the magistrate."

Again, curing a title is not as simple as just filing a quit claim deed. So far over forty people have had to go through the above process, the most recent having been filed this month.

mogel007 said...

Sky said: "Not knowing or understanding this process very much, I was at the Dr.s complete mercy."
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There have been plenty of resources provided by Dr. Fred & others such as Brokers or agents, websites, etc. to understand the process as well as you wanted to know. That was your choice, not to seek out more information on the dorean process.
Maybe if you did your homework,or attended more conference calls, or read everything on the subject out there on the internet you could find, or even got a copy of your daughters presentment to the lender, & asked more questions, & spent more time at it, you would have a different perspective towards everything & even towards Dr. Fred & the challenges he has faced & still faces.

Again, all of this is a personal choice. Ignorance is a choice, & Dr. Fred is not the only source out there, so you're not really at anyone's mercy, but there is/was plenty of resources out there that would cause you to understand & appreciate what has already been done for your daughter.

Not really sure why you would suggest something to your daughter like participation in the Dorean Process out of ignorance & a lack of full disclosure or information how things work & why. But then again, you are sure of your feelings, & I shouldn't tell you how you are feeling, so I won't go there.

I remembere on this blog, how one dorean client was able to fire or remove the trustees WITHOUT ANY COURT HEARING or Judge sanction, by affirming in an affidavit, saying the original trustees couldn't do their job effectively because they were imprisoned or incapacitated. He even printed all the language he used word for word.

This paperwork was served on Kurt & Scott. Then as the trustor, he appointed himself as a trustee of his family trust & quit claimed the home back to his personal name as the new trustee of his trust. How many times has Kurt said that the client could even be trustee of his family trust, but it wasn't recommended since it doesn't appear like an "arms length" agreement. I know I'm not the only one that heard him say that many times.

This paperwork trail was good enough for his lender to acknowledge the new trustee & enabled him to refinance his house or sell it because he was able to sign as the trustee of the trust on a quit claim deed. By the way, Dr. Fred, was not involved here!!!!!! Another creative idea to solve a problem, that you obviously missed.

mogel007 said...

Judge said: "Apparently, with property interests remaining in Heineman’s and Johnson’s hands, the
corresponding borrowers are UNABLE to seek a lawful refinancing of their loans."
_______________________________

Of course they were unable to do this when the Jail purposely stopped this by DISALLOWING the Dorean Group at one point, to get papers notarized themselves, & STOPPED GIVING THEM THE SERVICES OF A NOTARY, WHICH THEY WERE PERFECTLY WILLING & ABLE TO DO, UNTIL THIS PRIVILEGE WAS STOPPED.

Clients before then were doing just fine in getting the quit claims done & signed.

The jail DECIDED TO PUT A STOP TO THIS by orders from the Court since the Court wanted MORE CONTROL OF INFORMATION, and maybe wanted to find potential witnesses for the criminal trial who may have had hard feelings towards the Dorean Group. Of course, the powers that be, would like to see that all of the trusts are voluntarily eliminated.

This more expensive process of believing to be forced to hire an attorney to get back title, did clients no real favors.

Course you are good at presenting a lie by not bringing forth ALL OF THE FACTS, aren't you?

judge allslop said...

This is reasonably simple. If you need to sell the house and transfer title, the title Co will ask you to follow the REQUEST TO MODIFY PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION instructions provide by the court. They want to insure that the title is clean from all involved party's. It does not affect the Trust

SKY said...

Well it is simply amazing how a person can give you a complete life scenario just from a statement or two made on a blog such as this.
When I needed to get paperwork to try to enable my daughter to sell her home, who else could have provided me with that? I was told it would be Dr. Fred. That was the avenue I chose. I was not interested in going to court or trying to do anything except reverse the process to enable her to sell her house.
So you, Moge , are wrong about my particular situation. What I THOUGHT was the process and what it turned out to be were 2 completely different things.
So you can go on and judge what you think you know about me and that is showing ignorance. Continue to do that if you wish. Nothing on this blog is positive or helpful to me, therefore, I will quit posting and I will quit receiving the trash that comes from it. Anything further you may have to say about me to help you feel good about sticking up for the process, the people etc etc etc will be read by others, but not by me. And YOU had the classic greed driven comment of the system and what is wrong with everything in the first place by stating that Dr. Fred must not have charged me enough. Excuse me? He was, I thought, trying to help undo some of the problems caused by what his son had tried to do.
I am not judging Scott or Kurt and I still think the idea of the whole thing is Scripturally right. We have been robbed and what is new? That is happening all day everyday in this Corporate Country with a Corporate government where Corporations Rule. I hoped there was a remedy at least in this case, but I see that right may not prevail.
I just want to reverse what I advised.

Scott from Vineland said...

SKY said...
The Quit Claim Deed is the one we filed to give the property over to Scott and Kurt. It is notarized and signed by both of them as "executed"
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Yeah, that defintely WON'T get the job done. They would need to execute (i.e., prepare and sign) an entirely new Quit-Claim Deed to convey the property BACK to your daughter. And from what many others are saying here, it may not be as simple as that now...

JRB sez...Because of their continued issuance of all kinds of bogus legal nonsense while they were in jail, the court issued an order halting the process of having Heineman and Johnson sign and return quit-claims and instituted a formal process to issue individual court orders that restore the victim's (and other parties') interest in the affected property without having the dim duo involved.

and...

I realize the cost of an attorney may be prohibitive, but I don't trust lenders any farther than I can throw them. They will have counsel jealously protecting their interests. I would have to assume they WILL take advantage of your daughter if they see an opportunity.

I'm hurt, Judge, that you assume ALL lenders operate this way. But I guess you're in the business of ferreting out the squaliformes so I will try not to be offended.

Sky, I would NEVER suggest that you trust a lender to protect your interests. Even reputable lenders are going look out for themselves first. But I can't see any reason your county clerk or register would benefit from misleading you. You may want to see if they have any suggestions BEFORE you hire a lawyer. Find out if THEY know anything about an injunction or court order that would prevent your "trustees" from being able to convey the property back out of their trust.

Scott from Vineland said...

moogie sez...
If you dissolve the trust, you dissolve your relationship with the presentment, and the administrative judgment, and if you believe that they'll be a financial settlement, you won't participate in it, so Judge Beanhead's advise is not only inaccurate, but poorly thought through.
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I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on this settlement, Sky. I think your daughter definitely needs to get her house out of the trust, whatever it takes.

moogie sez...
Naysayers complain about $3,000 to spend to get a mortgage eliminated, but think nothing of having these poor clients spend another $3,000 to give to an attorney that is not really needed. This is not an intricate legal problem. Don't know how an attorney can justify the expense with the little effort and time it takes to transfer title.
___________________________________
Ordinarily, I would agree with this statement 100%. But you need to do your homework to find out how the existence of the Dorean trust in your chain of title may change the rules in your state & county.

moogie sez...
Sky, this isn't legal advise, but I wouldn't trust that Judge Bean has your best financial interests at heart, because he isn't providing you all of the facts & even seems to be distorting the facts here.
___________________________________
You should contemplate who has more to gain by earning your trust and the trust of everyone else reading these words.


OK, I just got to JRB's lengthy post citing the injunction and clearly the courts have made the reconveyance process much more difficult for properties vested in a Dorean trust. Maybe you DO need a lawyer, Sky. I'll shut up now... Good luck.

dr. ira gilac said...

is the moonage frawd finally starting to crak???


today 2 bare/strains empoyess get allrested by the freds....

for mtg. secyoorites frawt.

now, yo no that when they go the 'can' they will become "sootgilas"

little mouses; they will "mouse" everyone out and then the BIG guys behing all this 4-clothes houses will pay the pryce for it.

bet theres a lot of scared bakers out there.

the fleds say that thers 19 "active" invetigations gong on....well see......

dr. ira gilac said...

oday 2 bare/strains empoyess get allrested by the freds.



corse, to be fare about it. we no they are the autumn guys 4 it...


somenone gotta take a fall for it....


we no that 2 mtg. sexutiries brokers cannt possibly take down a multi trillion doola industyr by themselfs...right???

dr. ira gilac said...

I'm hurt, Judge, that you assume ALL lenders operate this way.




thats like saying can there be an HONEST FBI agate IF the whole system is cyrupt??

if the fed. govt. is like some radio personality say:

the fed. govt. is a CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE.


seem like the feds like to yoose that word when describing the mayfia: john doe was running ENTER ALIEN a CYNICAL ENTERPRISE.


the feds other fav word:


ENTER ALIA...ENTERPRISE...ETC...yo think they taking about maytians on the moooon....

dr. ira gilac said...

ENTER ALIA...ENTERPRISE...ETC...yo think they taking about maytians on the moooon....



dats wha i say when the maytians nook on my do....ENTER ALIENS......

notorial dissent said...

Moogs just keeps on repeating the same old lies
You'll have to do better than that. It's not a crime to be a stupid idiot
As usual you left off the important part, “con artist/idiot”, and convicted should preface it.

Nice, if pointless bit about "The Crime Victims Rights Act”, since 1) dim and dimmer are now locked away for the remainder of their lives, and forbidden from any more transactions, and 2) since none of those come in to play here is irrelevant, and the fact that they used the term "OTHER FRAUD AGAINST BUSINESSES" doesn’t enter in to it. It’s just a notification letter Moogs, not a court document, give it up. 3) 4) & 5) there hasn’t been anything here that pertains to them, 6) timely is a very elastic term, and will have to do with whatever the DOJ is doing with the case, 7) only in your little mind, criminal cases can and do take months and sometimes years to resolve, 8) so far, still no point.

Not having the criteria the DOJ used in determining who they sent the letter out to it is pointless to speculate. That it annoys you is sufficient to my tastes. And actually if your report of the phrasing is accurate, it is satisfactory to the business at hand.

Moogs, once and for all, the presentments were a crock, they had neither legal form nor substance, they created no right or effect, and had no value then and less now. The document is void as to fact and law, and was judicially decreed a crock in the civil trial and declared an instrument of fraud, which is why dim and dimmer got charged with fraud in the first place, and are now in prison for the rest of their lives.

The trusts, may or may not have been valid, no one has bothered to rule on them, but trust laws vary from state to state, and what may be valid in one state may not be in another. As a sidelight, since there were intended as instruments in a fraud, they could probably be declared a legal nullity on that basis alone, but would require court action. Regardless of whether they are valid or not, they do have the effect of clouding the title to any piece of property they come in contact with, and for some of these people that is a big problem, which you are not helping. Since I have yet to actually see a copy of this so called trust, I don’t even know if it has any validity or not. I suspect that it, like all the rest of the nonsense dim and dimmer manufactured was of legal value.

judge allslop said...

Such an especially eloquent retard.An ignorant retard non the less.

Scott from Vineland said...

doc gilac sez...
thats like saying can there be an HONEST FBI agate IF the whole system is cyrupt??
___________________________________
Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean your mortgage company is NOT out to get you!

You're on to us, doc. Those black helicopters following you are NOT the FBI, ATF or NSA. They're Wells Fargo, CitiBank and Bank of America. (BearSterns had one but theirs crashed.)

And you know how you look at your desk sometimes and you just KNOW that it's not QUITE how you left it... mortgage ninjas. Most of them are personally trained by Barbara Bush. She's not as agile as she used to be but she can still kill a man half her age with either hand.

dr. ira gilac said...

....and theres assolutely NO toot the roomer that god is punshing cali with a heat attax becase they now become "the vaseleen state"......he not a resecter of persons...or is he?

dr. ira gilac said...

yep....when my HIYPs payout, got get me some stox in theose cumpanies that make petrol jelly....they should relly rise↑↑↑

dr. ira gilac said...

byw, jud beans....yo should buy sum too, ass when those po ppls cum in front of yo bench pleading fo mercy not to take they house, then at least now yo can yoose sum vaslin, so at least they wont feel so much pain when yo put it to 'em and take they houyse...yo behing them "all the way"....

neodemes said...

Sky, don't toss out all the advice just because of the moogie-blather.

He's an expert at twisting words and attempting to make them sound like they came out of your mouth, admidst a sh!tstorm of presumptions and suppositions.

Good luck to your family in getting disentangled and coming out of this mess whole.

I do have to disagree with you regarding any scriptural basis to the mortgage elimination scam these thugs cooked up, other than "the borrower is slave to the lender"

God bless and take care.

As for moogums, just scroll on past!

dr. ira gilac said...

an aslo btw, jug beans, yo thik this mite be a conflick of instance????

--------------------------


FreedomWorks calls this what it is: "Broad, invasive provisions [that] touches every aspect of American commerce."



What's going on? An attack on small cash transactions is one way to read it. Wholesale government spying on private citizens and a presumption of guilt is another.







Reports that aren't making MSM are that "Sen. Chris Dodd tied to Countrywide Mortgages" and "Dodd admits to VIP Loan Club". Dodd tops lender's contributions list. This last report reveals, for example, that in his career, Dodd's contributions from Citigroup have totaled more than $439-thousand. Not a bad gig, being a powerful senator, huh?



As the headlines distract with an Israeli dry run attack exercise, the battle for control of the nation's money is being waged by banksters dropping in digidollar laws while no one is looking. Or, so they hope...



Thanks to the cozy relationships at the top of the corporate world, "Major Networks Avoid Dem Senator's Countrywide Loan Scandals" reports NewsBusters. So, is this Dodd's payback to the PowersThatBe for keeping him around?

dr. ira gilac said...

VIP loan club???


relly???


how yo can get in on this???

dr. ira gilac said...

Dodd's contributions from Citigroup have totaled more than $439-thousand. Not a bad gig, being a powerful senator, huh?




yah....but tooo bad yo jig is UP!

dr. ira gilac said...

"Washington, DC - Hidden deep in Senator Christopher Dodd's 630-page Senate housing legislation is a sweeping provision that affects the privacy and operation of nearly all of America’s small businesses. The provision, which was added by the bill's managers without debate this week, would require the nation's payment systems to track, aggregate, and report information on nearly every electronic transaction to the federal government.

FreedomWorks Chairman Dick Armey commented: "This is a provision with astonishing reach, and it was slipped into the bill just this week. Not only does it affect nearly every credit card transaction in America, such as Visa, MasterCard, Discover, and American Express, but the bill specifically targets payment systems like eBay's PayPal, Amazon, and Google Checkout that are used by many small online businesses. The privacy implications for America's small businesses are breathtaking."

"Privacy groups like the Center for Democracy and Technology and small business organizations like the NFIB sharply criticized this idea when it first appeared earlier this year. What is the federal government's purpose with this kind of detailed data? How will this database be secured, and who will have access? Many small proprietors use their Social Security number as their tax ID. How will their privacy be protected? What compliance costs will this impose on businesses? Why is Sen. Chris Dodd putting this provision in a housing bailout bill? The bill also includes the creation of a new national fingerprint registry for mortgage brokers.

"At a time when concerns about both identity theft and government spying are paramount, Congress wants to create a new honey pot of private data that includes Social Security numbers. This bill reduces privacy across America's payment processing systems and treats every American small business or eBay power seller like a criminal on parole by requiring an unprecedented level of reporting to the federal government. This outrageous idea is another reason to delay the housing bailout legislation so that Senators and the public at large have time to examine its full implications."

From the Senate Bill Summary:

Payment Card and Third Party Network Information Reporting. The proposal requires information reporting on payment card and third party network transactions. Payment settlement entities, including merchant acquiring banks and third party settlement organizations, or third party payment facilitators acting on their behalf, will be required to report the annual gross amount of reportable transactions to the IRS and to the participating payee. Reportable transactions include any payment card transaction and any third party network transaction. Participating payees include persons who accept a payment card as payment and third party networks who accept payment from a third party settlement organization in settlement of transactions. A payment card means any card issued pursuant to an agreement or arrangement which provides for standards and mechanisms for settling the transactions. Use of an account number or other indicia associated with a payment card will be treated in the same manner as a payment card. A de minimis exception for transactions of $10,000 or less and 200 transactions or less applies to payments by third party settlement organizations. The proposal applies to returns for calendar years beginning after December 31, 2010. Back-up withholding provisions apply to amounts paid after December 31, 2011. This proposal is estimated to raise $9.802 billion over ten years.

FreedomWorks calls this what it is: "Broad, invasive provisions [that] touches every aspect of American commerce."



What's going on? An attack on small cash transactions is one way to read it. Wholesale government spying on private citizens and a presumption of guilt is another.



And why do you think this might be? Could it be Dodd is a puppet of the power-mongers and banking industry which needs digidollars to replace traditional cash and require submission to the mark-of-the-beast financial system?

dr. ira gilac said...

"....would require the nation's payment systems to track, aggregate, and report information on nearly every electronic transaction to the federal government."



this bill is INCUMPLETE!!!


cause it dont track ho many tims yo wipe yo ass when yo go take sh*t???

what matta with yo???

that impotent info fo the govt. to no. ho many times yo wip yo ass.

mogel007 said...

Judge Allslop said: "If you need to sell the house and transfer title, the title Co will ask you to follow the REQUEST TO MODIFY PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION instructions provide by the court. They want to insure that the title is clean from all involved party's."
_______________________________

Most of the Title Company probably know nothing about the preliminary injunction stuff even though they might recognize the Dorean trustee names. Even if they did, is the title company suggesting that the mortgages discharges by the Dorean Group might be legitimate? If the civil court & criminal court have ruled that those mortgage discharges are fraudulent, what's the big deal with the title company, especially in leu of a quit claim deed properly executed by the dorean trustees for those that tried the simple route? Are you suggesting that a quit claim deed properly executed does not transfer any possible interest the trustees held? After all, there were only about a dozen refinances anyway, so other possible debateable interested parties is usually never not a problem. Besides, Pauligirl listed a precedent court case where the original party that filed the mortgage first HAD PRIORITY anyway, over any refinanced mortgage in those dozen cases, so it's a settled matter anyway, OR IS IT.....

mogel007 said...

Judge Roy Bean said: "The process was set up to bypass the dim duo unless they decided to try and object in each individual circumstance."
______________________________

We both know they didn't object in each case, & I don't know of any cases where the dorean group objected in the client getting a transferance of title for either a legitimate refinance or sale of the property, so again your reasoning is fallacious. What need was there to bypass the Dorean Group when they were handling things just fine & doing things for clients at a much cheaper cost? I never heard any of the naysayers complain about the clients getting stiffed AGAIN by being forced to hire an attorney & pay exhorbitant fees, or ever heard anyone of the naysayers complain about this suggested court policy procedure. Why is that? If it's all about protecting the client, is that how you do that by taking them to the cleaners financially speaking, a second time, just to get their house back & make the process not only more complicated, but even longer to finalize? I would bet many clients lost their homes due to this court procedure, because they couldn't hold on long enough to complete the transfer & believed they had to do it this way as their only option.

mogel007 said...

"Nothing on this blog is positive or helpful to me, therefore, I will quit posting and I will quit receiving the trash that comes from it."
_______________________________

That about tell the full story or enough for anyone to know where you are coming from. You speak in absolutes: "nothing", "trash"
"quit".

You're right, you don't like the way people play here, so just take your ball & go home. Nothing I say, nothing Dr. Fred could say, nothing Kurt could say, COULD EVER HELP YOU, or even be a postive influence on you, because you've made up your mind & you already know your feelings, & of course, you have read everything on this blog & understand everything on this blog in order to know NOTHING here can help you or has helped you. Yes, I am so wrong about EVERYTHING.

Here's a helpful hint. File the quit claim deed you received, so your daughter can do what she needs to do, or your work so far & criticism are in vain. Why do you wait?

Remember, someone's trash, may be someone else's treasure.

mogel007 said...

Judge Bean quotes the court: "the government has received a number of inquiries from borrowers, or counsel representing borrowers, whether the pending injunction could be modified to permit defendants Heineman and Johnson, trustees of so-called “family trusts,” to transfer by quitclaim deed property interests"

Given the spectrum of culpability amongst borrowers involved in this case, the government does not consent to a modification of the injunction for all borrowers.
_______________________________

First of all the injunction basically stopped the Dorean Group from carrying on their business of getting new clients or doing anything more with old clients as to the furtherance of the mortgage challenge & completion.

Quit claiming the property back to the individual so the client can sell his home was not part of the "mortgage elimination scheme" or so called alleged conspiracy, & this particular act was not specified in the list of can'ts in the injunction against the Dorean Group. As a matter of fact, the alleged charge of "contempt of court" pertaining to disobeying the injunction, was one of the charges THAT WAS DROPPED DUE TO NO EVIDENCE or it was dropped because the injunction is a "can of worms" to begin with. LOL

Also, the "culpabililty" assumption the court assumes to disallow all clients the freedom to do what they want with their own property, I find to be offensive if not unconstitutional. After all, weren't the dorean clients the victims of "mail fraud" according to the conclusion of the criminal trial, so what's the culpability of some clients nonsense talked about in reference to this procedure?

Were any clients EVER CHARGED OR PROVEN TO BE CULPABLE OF FRAUD? No, only 4 Brokers & 2 Principals were charged with criminal acts. These assumptions by the court are nonsense.

The permanent injunction probably is illegal anyway since it interfers with the rights of a properly appointed trustee & interfers with his ability to transact business properly & effectively. Were any of the trusts declared by the court to be illegal? No they were not!!!!! As a matter of fact, the court's demand to notify the trustee in this procedure, PROVES THE COURT RECOGNIZES THE AUTHORITY & LEGITIMACY OF THE TRUSTEES.

mogel007 said...

Judge Allslop said: "They want to insure that the title is clean from all involved party's. It does not affect the Trust"
_____________________________

I think the effect of the new court procedure caused many of the 40 clients that the Judge mentioned, with the help or suggestion of their attorneys to just ANNUL or cancel THE family TRUST, based upon how some attorney's felt the best way to handle the procedural and title problem, so yes, it did affect the living trust in many cases. How many times has Judge Beanhead suggested to clients to hire an attorney & get out of the trust, so you don't lose everything?

I know of one client in particular that hired an attorney & this was his attorney's take on the best way to handle the "title problem" as he called it.

When a business is shut down by injunction, and trustees are told that they can't sign paperwork because it might be a violation of a court injunction, it makes someone believe the trust or trustees may not be valid or legal, so maybe the best way to handle the problem is to eliminate the trust that was created.

That's like saying it doesn't cause people in a packed movie theatre to run to the exits WHEN SOMEONE YELLS FIRE!!!

mogel007 said...

Given the spectrum of culpability amongst borrowers involved in this case, the government does not consent to a modification of the injunction for all borrowers.
_________________________________

Anyone, correct me if I'm mistaken, but as I remember, the injunction was towards the Principals, Agents, and Brokers promoting the Dorean Process, it had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CLIENTS IN GENERAL, so why are the clients in general being punished for something WITH NO LEGAL MERIT, BY BEING FORCED TO DO A PROCESS THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE INJUNCTION?

mogel007 said...

jUDGE Beanhead's advice: Sky - you're not alone, but there is an organized process under which you can have the TRUST DISSOLVED and your interest (just your financial interest, not a free and clear deed) restored.

Judge Beanhead obviously doesn't agree with Judge Allslop that the court process mentioned doesn't affect the trust. Well if attorneys & Judges are suggesting to dissolve the trust, AS THE BEST OR SIMPLEST WAY, WHAT DO YOU THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DO IN MOST CASES?

mogel007 said...

Sky said: "And YOU had the classic greed driven comment of the system and what is wrong with everything in the first place by stating that Dr. Fred must not have charged me enough. Excuse me? He was, I thought, trying to help undo some of the problems caused by what his son had tried to do."
________________________________

No, my comment was not about greed, or anything pertaining to it. It was kind of about the idea of: "We reserve the right to serve or not serve anyone, OR TO CHARGE DIFFERENTLY ACCORDING TO EMOTIONAL DISTRESS caused by the patron. You act like all this distress on you was caused by Kurt.

With your attitude & bitchiness, YOU SHOULD BE BY all fairness BE CHARGED MORE FOR THE SAME SERVICE, ESPECIALLY since SOMEONE ELSE has TO LISTEN TO YOUR BLAME & POOR JUDGMENTS & NONSENSE & BITCHINESS. What comes around, goes around. Just by your posts, I don't see that you will win any congenial awards in any beauty pagent yourself.

With some people I do pro bono work THAT TREAT ME WELL & ARE FRIENDS, with others I normally charge a fair price, but with someone like you, I probably wouldn't have done anything for you. Money isn't even an issue!!!

If the Dorean Group was all about greed, why did they have a black list of names of people they believed to be dishonest & they refused them the opportunity to to go through the process?

Sky, after all, you still haven't notarized the quit claim document, so the gift that was done for you WAS OBVIOUSLY NOT RECEIVED WELL ANYWAY, so why do something for a person like that anyway, that treats your gift as a thing of garbage?

No, Dr. Fred was not making restitution for something Kurt did. He was JUST following your desire or wish & doing so he was also putting up with your bitchiness! Did the Dorean Process in & of itself, make it impossible to sell or refinance your daughters house ever? What is the motivation for the sale of the house anyway? Financial difficulties caused by someone other than the Dorean Group, or some other motivation, unrelated to the Dorean process? You're so quick to pinpoint blame, lets find out the need for the refinance or sale.

That's why I would purposely charge you more assuming I took on a task like Dr. Fred. Has nothing to do with greed; has everything to do with personality & how you come across to other people.

Maybe your complaints about Dr. Fred, are just complaints how you see yourself or the character traits in yourself you hate too. You know the things you hate most in other people, are the same weaknesses you possess generally speaking. That's why two people that are so alike with the same defects, can often clash, much like how we are clashing. I'm not congenial either when I listen to crap when it's sold to me as the complete truth.

Someone tries to offer suggestions or insights, & your response is: "It's all crap, NOTHING or no one on this blog HAS HELPED YOU."

You might as well become a "naysayer" or an enemy of the Dorean Process with an attitude like that. It might be a more honest side to take.

mogel007 said...

Scott from Vineland said: "I think your daughter definitely needs to get her house out of the trust, whatever it takes."
_______________________________

I agree, the DEFINITE PART & the WHATEVER IT TAKES. LOL Maybe you can give her a loan? LOL After all, you know everything there is to know about the daughters particular situation & Sky is divulged completely the reasons to quit claim out of the trust & how Kurt is at fault here. That way any personal judgment creditors if applicable, can immediately attach a lien against the property & squeeze out potential equity in the property. This is especially useful for people with financial problems who have a need to refinance or sell quickly or have outstanding judgments against them. Or should the person pass away suddenly, God forbid, the property immediately goes into probate. Probate & taxation is a wonderful thing too that squeezes out more equity. Or one can refinance, & pay a bunch more points & fees to squeeze out more hard earned equity too.

Hey, here's an idea, why can't the trustees or newly appointed trustees just sign on the sale or refinance of the home for her. If it's a money issue why the sale or refinance needs to take place, than the father doesn't have to figure out the complicated procedure of how to file a completed & properly filled out quit claim deed or figure out if this is the safest & best thing to do. Any proceeds of the sale would go into a bank account of the family trust that the daughter can access as a beneficiary of the trust & signer on the bank account.

Clients need to set up bank trust accounts anyway, if they expect or anticipate a financial settlement soon.

habakkuk said...

Kurt said...

"Mr. Alsup did more to promote me than to extinguish my efforts. Actually with enemies like him who needs friends"

LOL!!! Thats hillarious...I mean, you cant help but like this guys wit. When you read Kurt's blogs its obvious the guy is no dummy...But the naysayers make him out to be a fool...I think its absolutely hillarious.

habakkuk said...

Psalm 37
A Psalm of David.
1 Do not fret because of evildoers,
Nor be envious of the workers of iniquity.
2 For they shall soon be cut down like the grass,
And wither as the green herb.

3 Trust in the LORD, and do good;
Dwell in the land, and feed on His faithfulness.
4 Delight yourself also in the LORD,
And He shall give you the desires of your heart.

5 Commit your way to the LORD,
Trust also in Him,
And He shall bring it to pass.
6 He shall bring forth your righteousness as the light,
And your justice as the noonday.

7 Rest in the LORD (YAAAAWNNN), and wait patiently for Him;
Do not fret because of him who prospers in his way,
Because of the man who brings wicked schemes to pass 8 Cease from anger, and forsake wrath;
Do not fret—it only causes harm.

9 For evildoers shall be cut off;
But those who wait on the LORD,
They shall inherit the earth.
10 For yet a little while and the wicked shall be no more;
Indeed, you will look carefully for his place,
But it shall be no more.
11 But the meek shall inherit the earth,
And shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

12 The wicked plots against the just,
And gnashes at him with his teeth.
13 The Lord laughs at him,
For He sees that his day is coming.
14 The wicked have drawn the sword
And have bent their bow,
To cast down the poor and needy,
To slay those who are of upright conduct.
15 Their sword shall enter their own heart,
And their bows shall be broken.

16 A little that a righteous man has
Is better than the riches of many wicked.
17 For the arms of the wicked shall be broken,
But the LORD upholds the righteous.

18 The LORD knows the days of the upright,
And their inheritance shall be forever.
19 They shall not be ashamed in the evil time,
And in the days of famine they shall be satisfied.
20 But the wicked shall perish;
And the enemies of the LORD,
Like the splendor of the meadows, shall vanish.
Into smoke they shall vanish away.

21 The wicked borrows and does not repay,
But the righteous shows mercy and gives.
22 For those blessed by Him shall inherit the earth,
But those cursed by Him shall be cut off.

23 The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD,
And He delights in his way.
24 Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down;
For the LORD upholds him with His hand.

25 I have been young, and now am old;
Yet I have not seen the righteous forsaken,
Nor his descendants begging bread.
26 He is ever merciful, and lends;
And his descendants are blessed.

27 Depart from evil, and do good;
And dwell forevermore.
28 For the LORD loves justice,
And does not forsake His saints;
They are preserved forever,
But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off.
29 The righteous shall inherit the land,
And dwell in it forever.

30 The mouth of the righteous speaks wisdom,
And his tongue talks of justice.
31 The law of his God is in his heart;
None of his steps shall slide.

32 The wicked watches the righteous,
And seeks to slay him.
33 The LORD will not leave him in his hand,
Nor condemn him when he is judged.

34 Wait on the LORD,
And keep His way,
And He shall exalt you to inherit the land;
When the wicked are cut off, you shall see it.
35 I have seen the wicked in great power,
And spreading himself like a native green tree.
36 Yet he passed away,[a] and behold, he was no more;
Indeed I sought him, but he could not be found.

37 Mark the blameless man, and observe the upright;
For the future of that man is peace.
38 But the transgressors shall be destroyed together;
The future of the wicked shall be cut off.

39 But the salvation of the righteous is from the LORD;
He is their strength in the time of trouble.
40 And the LORD shall help them and deliver them;
He shall deliver them from the wicked,
And save them,
Because they trust in Him.

habakkuk said...

12 The wicked plots against the just,
And gnashes at him with his teeth.
13 The Lord laughs at him,
For He sees that his day is coming.

IF G-D HAD A BLOG IT WOULD BE NAMED "LOL"

Judge Roy Bean said...

Gashler, ever the scam promoter writes:

"Clients need to set up bank trust accounts anyway, if they expect or anticipate a financial settlement soon."

A financial settlement? From the bogus UCC filing scheme I suppose - well Byron, stand by for more mail fraud indictments from that scam as well.

www.loansharks.blogspot.com

habakkuk said...

Hey Judge,

YAAAAWNN!! and LOL!!!

dr. ira gilac said...

wahtch out judg if yo see somenone cumming up behing yo with a jar of vaslin!!!

Pauligirl said...

mogel007 said...

Besides, Pauligirl listed a precedent court case where the original party that filed the mortgage first HAD PRIORITY anyway, over any refinanced mortgage in those dozen cases, so it's a settled matter anyway, OR IS IT.....

-------------------------------------------------------
That case was in North Carolina. I don't know how it will play out in other states.
But if you think the second lender won't go after the owner, you're a bigger fool than I thought.

A few nuggets from the case.....


Similarly, here, there were neither statutes nor case law that
imposed any duty on Household to respond to the Administrative
Demand. The Dorean Group's cancellation of the Household Deed of
Trust was an unauthorized act, and Household was in no way
negligent for the Dorean Group's act.


The 38-page Administrative Demand, or so-called
"roadmap," was a confusing compilation of, among other things: (i)
various cartoons; (ii) various articles; (iii) a power of attorney;
(iv) a "Notice of Intent to Correct Title"; (v) a so-called
"Affidavit of Truth"; (vi) a letter from a purported certified
public accountant; (vii) and various propaganda. To characterize
this document as bizarre and absurd would be an understatement.

www.aoc.state.nc.us/www/public/coa/opinions/2008/pdf/070362-1.pdf

dr. ira gilac said...

jug beans....waht go
"around" it cum back to yo "in the end".....LOL!

dr. ira gilac said...

now toddy accoring to Story, the govt. now paying it "payess" with those same wotless promy notes...scuse me, i meen trusury notes....chek world rports.

notorial dissent said...

And just to add more amusement to the pot, the chief dimbo and Panjandrum of Puffery is now being charged with mail fraud against the gov’t in his latest scheme. Any bets on further charges yet to come? The odds are about 100 to 1 in favor and rising.

Using the mails to file fraudulent and unauthorized UCC statements is not a bright thing to do, but then who are we kidding here, past track record indicates anything but a bright individual. Looks like the latest sure fire settlement scheme just went up in flames, sort of like all the past attempts. Anyone see a pattern here, Kurt scheme, lots of noise, blows up in his face, gets more jail time????

So, It looks like my prediction of Kurt spending the rest of his life in prison will come true after all, and by his own hand, or maybe computer. Way to go genius.

At this point he will be down to crayons and carrier pigeons, since I suspect his mail will all be supervised and no computer or typewriter from now on.

dr. ira gilac said...

COUNTRY RECIPIENTS ARE SAID TO BE BEING PAID WITH U.S. TREASURY SECURITIES
We have authoritative written and verbal reports that the country payees are being paid in worthless US Treasury and/or mortgage securities. The payments are having to be made within an ultra-tight timeframe dictated inter alia by the de facto freezing of the Citibank $6.2 trillion lent by Her Majesty the Queen and Prince Alaweed of Saudi Arabia.

dr. ira gilac said...

jug beens...ho yo pay yo house with??

LOL!

dr. ira gilac said...

i bet yo payt yo mortage a trois with dem dair "fincial obfukation devices".....

dr. ira gilac said...

"made within an ultra-tight timeframe dictated inter alia by the





there thay fav word agian: "enter aliens".....

ho many times yo nedd to hear it!???

just come on the f@@k in will ya'!

dr. ira gilac said...

i no...i no....yo is already here....and in bunches....now, yo is the 'good' alians, or yo is the 'bad' alians...ho can we tell???


from now on...its "inter good alia only"

dr. ira gilac said...

is that correct spilling??

plooral of 'alien' = 'alia'

dr. ira gilac said...

see wha hoppens when yo eat none of dem candy bars with the caffeine and hi sugar load..!!!farpiguv 4it weroigj 5p89utng spoifrg wgoi uns89 q;rgjnvn jvb;alkrjgvn[tonwbw[operjtv nqoitb wnrgklsk woreigo qi34jt0 9uw54[tj qwoijt oijso!!!!


ritin to da alia! its code!

dr. ira gilac said...

whew!!!


never again eatin 3 marathon energy bars at once!!!!!!

dr. ira gilac said...

eatin them makes you work up a sweat jus typin the keebord.

neodemes said...

Cartoons.

LOL

Appropriate medium, seeing as he is a cartoon.

Hey, way to go , moogs.

Sky asks for help and you call her a bitch.

You're a class act and a real stand up guy.
















Not.

dr. ira gilac said...

grudge loopini bean said...



"A financial settlement? From the bogus UCC filing scheme I suppose - well Byron, stand by for more mail fraud indictments from that scam as well.






yo own a huse grudge??


wahtc out somenone dont fill a UCC fencing sentiment on yo and then arrest yo bond and then say.... "see ya' judge"!

dr. ira gilac said...

and then all those ppls yo took they house will come get ya like its open session....



and then when yo near the end, the ones that dont like yo wont even be use the vaslin....yo be takin yo burbin strate.


just look at the good side jusge, yo wont ever nedd to yoose k-o-pectin fo consternation again...

dr. ira gilac said...

btw juge, aswner a qeston???


if the govt. now payin with worthless mtg securties, why should ppl pay for theres with the loss of they house???


asswer that one grudge?

dr. ira gilac said...

judge rember just...that wha go around, alway cums back to yo 'in the end'......

LOL!!!

mogel007 said...

Judge Quotes: 14. The UCC Financing Statement purports to encumber “assets, land, consumer goods, farm products, inventory, equipment, money, investment property, commercial tort claims, letters of credit, letter-of-credit rights, insurance policies, bonds, chattel paper, instruments, equities, deposit accounts, accounts, documents, security interest, licenses, privileges, beneficial interest, retirement accounts, and general intangibles, and all Debtor’s rights in all such foregoing property, under strict foreclosure rights to the creditor though currently held in Debtor’s possession, at
$10,000,000.00 per actor/debtor and $50,000,000.00 per account to the current indebtedness of $1,230,000,000.00.”

THE 1.23 BILLION MUST BE THE MONEY THAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN'T FIND THAT THEY ARE UPSET ABOUT THAT WAS "HID RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR FACE".

15. Upon information and belief, the UCC Financing Statement was sent to the California Secretary of State through the U.S. Mail.

THE DEFAULT OF THE BANKS & THE ATTESTATION OF THE NOTARY TO THE BANKS DEFAULT WAS ALSO SENT BY MAIL. THE NOTARY PROTEST IS PROOF OF A PERFECTED & LEGITIMATE CLAIM.

There was another similar one, but if we skip further down in the complaint, the relevant part is:

23. The UCC Financing Statement and the UCC Financing Statement Amendments were filed by defendant Johnson in an effort to establish invalid liens against employees of the United States and to wrongly and maliciously compel the payment of money by these employees.

INVALID LIENS? AGAIN THE NOTARY PROTEST PAPER TRAIL & WORK THE DOREAN GROUP HAS ALREADY DONE THAT HAS NEVER BEEN CONTESTED IS PROOF THAT THE ADMINISTRATIVE JUDGEMENTS AREN'T INVALID.

GETTING A JUDGMENT AGAINST SOMEONE IS ONE THING & DOESN'T NECESSARILY INSURE PAYMENT. EXECUTING ON THAT JUDGMENT TO GET PAID IS ANOTHER THING. IT'S APPARENTLY TIME TO EXECUTE ON THOSE ADMINISTRATIVE JUDGMENTS TO FULFILL THE ORIGINAL PROMISES OF THE DOREAN GROUP FOR CLIENTS.

THIS IS NO MORE INVALID THAN GETTING A JUDGMENT AGAINST SOMEONE, & GARNISHING OR ENCUMBERING ASSETS OWED TO THE DEBTOR BY ATTACHING ASSETS A THIRD PARTY OWES THE DEBTOR. EMPLOYEES OF THE UNITED STATES ARE OWED MONEY FROM THE UNITED STATES BY VIRTUE OF THEIR WAGE BEING AN EMPLOYEE OF THE U.S. SINCE THERE IS A LIEN AGAINST THE UNITED STATES BY THEIR COMPLICITY IN THIS CONSPIRACY IN DEFENDING THE BANKING INDUSTRY WRONGFULLY, THE DOREAN GROUP GOING AFTER ASSETS WHEREVER THEY CAN BE FOUND OWED TO THEM IS NOT IMPROPER.

IT IS SIMILIAR TO WHAT WAS DONE TO ME ONCE. I OWED A $100 DEBT THAT WASN'T PAID ON A TIMELY BASIS BY ME. THE JUDGMENT CREDITOR MADE ME PAY THAT DEBT INVOLUNTARILY ON HER TIME TABLE.

THE JUDGMENT HOLDER OF THAT $100DEBT GARNISHED THE CLERK OF COURT AS A 3RD PARTY TO THE JUDGMENT, SINCE THE CLERK OF COURT OWED ME MONIES ON A TOTALLY UNRELATED DEBT & MUCH LARGER JUDGMENT & DIFFERENT CASE THAT WAS OWED TO ME.

THE COURT THROUGH A LEVY BY THE JUDGEMENT CREDITOR TOOK THOSE MONIES OWED OF $100 BY ME & THEN DEDUCTED THAT AMOUNT FROM THE PROCEEDS OF A JUDGMENT & BANK ACCOUNT GARNISHMENT LEVY I HAD FILED AGAINST SOMEONE ELSE DURING THE SAME PERIOD OF TIME.

IN ESSENCE THE CLERK OF COURT PAID MY DEBT TO MY CREDITOR, WITHOUT MY COOPERATION & THEN DEDUCTED THE $100 FROM THE PROCEEDS I HAD COMING TO ME ON A DEBT I WAS THE JUDGMENT CREDITOR ON.

I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT MY CREDITOR HAD DONE THIS UNTIL IT WAS ALREADY DONE & PAID. NOTHING IMPROPER THERE. I APPLAUD THE CREDITOR FOR HER RESEARCH OF MY ASSETS & GETTING PAID WITHOUT MY TIMELY COOPERATION. NO HARD FEELINGS THERE.

24. In order to file a UCC Financing Statement, a debt must be owed to the filer and the debtor must authorize the filing of the UCC Financing Statement. See Cal. Com. Code §§ 9502(a), 9509(a)(1).

DEBTOR AUTHORIZED THE FILING BY THEIR SILENCE OR AGENCY BY ESTOPPEL.

And he's apparently not done:

28. The UCC Financing Statement and the Financing Statement Amendment pose an immediate and irreparable injury upon the United States of America by impeding, obstructing and impairing the execution of the official duties of its employees or officers.

IMPAIRING THE OFFICIAL DUTIES OF EMPLOYEES OF THE U.S.? WHAT A JOKE! CONTROLLING OR MANIPULATING THE FLOW OF MONIES DOESN'T IMPAIR THEIR OFFICIAL DUTIES ANYMORE THAN WHAT WAS DONE TO ME. IRREPARABLE INJURY? NO, THE U.S. GOVERNMENT JUST NEEDS TO PAY THE EMPLOYEES AGAIN SHOULD THE EMPLOYEES LOSE ANY BENEFITS THEY ARE ENTITLED TO. THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO BORROW MONEY FROM THE FED & CREATE IT. NO PROBLEM, THAT'S WHAT THE GOVERNMENT DOES BEST.

29. Upon information and belief, unless enjoined, Defendant will continue to file and record false and fraudulent liens and other documents against employees of the United States. For example, the Bureau of Prisons recently intercepted an additional UCC Financing Statement Amendment prepared by Defendant, which lists additional purported debtors, which was contained in an envelope addressed to the Clerk of the United States District Court for the Northern District of California.
And now, drum roll please....

FALSE LIENS? ISN'T ANY MORE FALSE THAN THE BANK FRAUD CHARGES THAT WERE FALSE & NEVER PROVEN AGAINST THE DOREAN GROUP.


32. Defendant’s conduct, as described herein, constitutes violations of 18 U.S.C. § 1341 (mail fraud) in that he has formed a scheme or artifice to defraud the United States employees identified above and the public by making material misrepresentations, including but not limited to misrepresentations that the employees are indebted to Defendant, have granted Defendant a lien in their property, and have authorized the filing of a UCC Financing Statement. Defendant has used the U.S. mails and commercial interstate carriers to further his fraudulent scheme. Defendant has used the mails in furtherance of his fraudulent scheme with the specific intent to deceive or defraud.

I DIDN'T AUTHORIZE THE TAKING OF MY $100 EITHER IN A TOTALLY SEPARATE COURT CASE! IT DIDN'T MATTER EVEN IF I HAD CONTESTED IT. IS THE CLERK OF COURT GUILTY OF MAIL FRAUD TOO. I DOUBT IT.

DEFRAUD U.S EMPLOYEES? NO, IT'S NOT ABOUT DEFRAUDING ANYONE. IT'S ABOUT GETTING PAID NOW & TIRED OF WAITING FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO VOLUNTARILY DO THE RIGHT THING. THE U.S. CAN MAKE GOOD THEIR DEBT TO THEIR EMPLOYEES THEMSELVES BY ANOTHER PAYMENT. AFTER ALL, THEY OWE IT TO THEM, JUST LIKE DOREAN CLIENTS ARE OWED RESTITUTION FROM THE U.S. GOVERNMENT. YOU DON'T CRY FOUL WHEN A DEBT IS OWED & IS STILL UNPAID.

mogel007 said...

Nemo said: "Hey, way to go , moogs.

Sky asks for help and you call her a bitch.

You're a class act and a real stand up guy."
________________________________

Way to go Nemo about being an expert on saying things I didn't even say! Isn't that what you accused me doing all the time & being an expert on? I didn't use the "bitch" word, nor can you prove that. All I did was put up a mirror.

Sky asked for help & apparently no one on the board can help him if you believe his testimony. You stand up for the actions of this person, so I assume you accept this person as being totally honest & fair too. What does that say about you?

What is the label of a person that is never satisfied whatever you do for them or who constantly complains & is never happy or satisfied & prefers not to face reality & ends up doing things their own way anyway, even if it is by ignoring you or leaving? Even if I used the "B" word & I didn't, is telling the truth a bad thing & this is what you criticize me for?

I don't believe Sky is a woman anyway. Isn't Sky the father of the Dorean client & feels bad that he suggested to his daughter to sign up for the Dorean Process. His own words, "I wanted to undo what was done." Well, apparently the person didn't want to do that since he hasn't. Correct me if I'm mistaken there or Sky can correct me if I'm mistaken.

I believe you're alleged facts are all wrong, so maybe you are the "class act" and "stand up guy" that you are referring to, whatever that means.

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent said: Any bets on further charges yet to come? The odds are about 100 to 1 in favor and rising.

TRY TO KEEP UP NOTARIAL!!! KURT MENTIONED BLOG POSTINGS AGO, BEFORE YOU POSTED THE BET, THAT FURTHER CHARGES MAY BE FORTHCOMING. KURT'S EXPECTATIONS MUST BE A LITTLE QUICKER THAN YOU'RE OWN.

Using the mails to file fraudulent and unauthorized UCC statements is not a bright thing to do,

THIS WAS KNOWN IONS AGO TOO. THE GOVERNMENT COULD HAVE FILED CHARGES LONG AGO, BUT DIDN'T. THE QUESTION ARISES, WHY IS THAT?

THE GOVERNMENT HAS THEIR OWN STRATEGY & TIME TABLE FOR DOING THINGS. GETTING MAIL FRAUD CHARGES OR ANYTHING TO STICK FIRST OBVIOUSLY WAS THE GOVERNMENT'S STRATEGY. IF YOU THROW ENOUGH COOKED SPAGHETTI ON A WALL, SOME OF IT IS GOING TO STICK.

THEY CAN SAY IF THE DOREAN GROUP IS GUILTY & CONVICTED OF MAIL FRAUD ALREADY, IT JUST MAKES THEM LOOK GUILTY OR THEIR IS ALREADY A PATTERN OF MAIL FRAUD & THE UCC FILINGS MUST BE ILLEGITIMATE TOO. HOWEVER, THE NOTARIAL PROTEST PROCESS IS LEGITIMATE & IS ACCEPTED IN CALIFORNIA LAW.

THE GOVERNMENT HAS THEIR HANDS FULL IN PROVING THAT THE UCC FILINGS ARE ILLEGITIMATE. THIS IS GOING TO BE MUCH HARDER TO PROVE THAN BANK FRAUD. THEN AGAIN, ALL BANK FRAUD CHARGES WERE DROPPED, WEREN'T THEY? THEN AGAIN, THE GOVERNMENT HAS THE PROBLEM TOO OF THE APPEAL THAT NEEDS TO BE HEARD TOO.

IT HUMORS ME TO SEE THE GOVERNMENT UNCOMFORTABLE ENOUGH TO FEEL COMPELLED TO FILE ADDITIONAL CHARGES. MAYBE THE GOVERNMENT ARE JUST TRYING TO PROTECT A LOSING BATTLE DUE TO ALL THE LAND MINES THEY HAVE ALREADY SET THEMSELVES. I SUSPECT THE GOVERNMENT WILL STEP ON ONE OF THOSE LAND MINES SOONER OR LATER NOT KNOWING EXACTLY WHERE TO STEP.

mogel007 said...

Remember the prosecution in the criminal case tried to say the UCC has nothing to do with the criminal charges against the Dorean Group & that the Dorean Group couldn't use the UCC as a defense of their actions of filing the paperwork they did. Then Judge Alsup supported the prosecutions motion on this. As a matter of fact, in the criminal trial Judge Alsup didn't want to hear anything pertaining to the UCC & if it was brought up as a defense by the Dorean Group, all the prosecution needed to say was that this was a violation of the motion that was already heard & ruled upon by Judge Alsup.

Apparently now in the additional charges & new trial, Judge Alsup will hear this too & now the subject of the UCC suddently becomes relevant to discuss in terms of possible "mail fraud" too.

Now the government seems to be changing their tune & saying that the UCC is NOW RELEVANT by adding additional charges pertaining to the UCC.

The hypocrisy of the government & Judge Alsup's participation in their "double standards" never ends, does it?

Hey more land mines to step on!!

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent said: So, It looks like my prediction of Kurt spending the rest of his life in prison will come true after all,"
_____________________________

What a bowl of crap to taste! Your original prediction of life imprisonment was based upon all the 68 counts of original charges, not any additional charges after the trial. Actually, you predicted "several life times" at 30 years a pop/charge, due to the original charges, are you changing your story now? Well 20-25 years is hardly a life time, so you were wrong originally on the time frame.

If anything your first wrong prediction is another indication that you will be wrong again about the additional charges, if you want to talk about patterns.

dr. ira gilac said...

yo grudge bean, watch out!


they sneekin' up on yo from behind....look like yo near the end....get yo vaslin ready...yo gonna nedd it!!




This is the website showing the video of the Governor, Secretary of State, Attorney General, Secretary of Colorade and Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Colorado, Judge Bean, being served the Noitce and Demand by the people.

www.sovereign-american.org/

dr. ira gilac said...

Judge Bean, being served the Noitce and Demand by the people.





serve em' the AR's...judge bean relly nedd an assinatrative remdy.....he near the end anyway....

dr. ira gilac said...

any crupt judges, wacht out!


they gonna serve yo ass!!

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent said: "At this point he will be down to crayons and carrier pigeons, since I suspect his MAIL WILL ALL BE SUPERVISED and no computer or typewriter from now on."
_______________________________

All mail for all inmates is supervised or read or the bureau of prisons say they already have that right.

Do they sell crayons & carrier pigeons in the prison commissary store?

dr. ira gilac said...

http://www.fourwinds10.com/
siterun_data/government/
us_constitution
/news.php?q=1214156194

mogel007 said...

Sky said: "You know, I got my daughter into this because I do believe it to be right."

Nemo says: "Sky asks for help and you call HER a bitch.
___________________________________

The DAUGHTER NEVER POSTED!!!! The Father posted his thoughts though. Sky, "THE FATHER", believes the process to be right, but thinks Dr. Fred & Kurt messed up! LOL LOL LOL

No, Nemo, YOU'RE THE CARTOON because you can't get the simplest of facts straight & prefer to distort the facts already given to somehow conclude I'm the bad guy here.
LOL
LOL
LOL
LOL
LOL
LOL
LOL

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, that's all folks!

mogel007 said...

Nemo follow your own advice: "Nemo, try & keep up!"

Maybe I should just "scroll on by" when you post. But then again, who can resist a cartoon?

mogel007 said...

Judge Bean said: "A short list of businesses that may have been touched by the fraud includes title insurance companies and mortgage insurers."
_____________________________

If the prosecutors are so smart, why didn't they include that in the original indictment, did they forget or just weren't smart enough to think of this possibility in their ever so concern of the "economy of the court's time"?

Any evidence in the court record that the mortgage insurers or title companies lost any money from any payouts they made to any victims? Isn't fraud always an exception WHERE THE TITLE COMPANIES OR MORTGAGE INSURERS NEVER HAVE TO PAY OUT ON? ISN'T THAT ONE OF THE SO CALLED "LOOP HOLES" WHERE THOSE TWO ENTITIES ARE PROTECTED FROM ANY POTENTIAL FINANCIAL LOSS? Maybe you think otherwise, oh wise one.

Course why are you assuming the banks who own the title companies were the victims when the bank fraud charges were dropped? According to the outcome of the trial, weren't the dorean clients the victims of the dorean process according to the criminal trial through the mail fraud convictions? You think the title companies & mortgage insurers received this "form letter" dated April 1, 2008 too? If so, they would have a victim identification number assigned to them too. My victim number is 2019977.

Let's see if the questions on this form letter could be relevant to any title company or mortgage insurer:

1. How have you and members of your family been affected by this crime?

2. Have you or members of your family received counseling or therapy as a result of this crime?

3. Have you filed a civil suit against the defendant? If yes, please list the case #, court location, & docket #.

5. Have you been assessed any additional taxes, penalties or interest by the federal or state government as a result of this case?

6. Have you or anyone on your behalf initiated civil action or bankruptcy action against any party as a result of this offense?

7. If you have suffered any other expenses as a result of this crime, please list them below. Include such items as counseling, medical bills, lost income & necessary child care, transportation, and other expenses related to participation in the investigation or prosecution of the offense on attendance at proceedings related to the offense.

Hmmmmm. Any title companies or mortgage insurers show up as witnesses in the trial? Nope again.

Nope, none of the questions refer to the businesses you described, but only to individuals.

Judge, tell me another fairy tale, but at least make it believable according to what has already transpired or been determined already.

10:49 PM

mogel007 said...

Here's another good part in this form letter. "Victim impact information is generally not public information, however, under criminal law and procedures, ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED IN YOUR QUESTIONAIRE WILL BE DISCLOSED TO THE DEFENDANT AND HIS ATTORNEY.

So if the title companies or even the mortgage insurers were even purported victims under oath in writing, the Dorean Group would have known prior to their sentencing. It's their right according to the "form letter". They certainly haven't mentioned anything or any concern pertaining to mortgage insurers or title companies. These form letters were suppose to be filled out in full by May 1, 2008 & is already past.

Judge Bean, you're full of hot air.

notorial dissent said...

and Moogy’s mouth runneth over

Moogie makes more nonsense
THE NOTARY PROTEST IS PROOF OF A PERFECTED & LEGITIMATE CLAIM.

The notary protest, something the notary cannot legally do, is a crock, like all the rest of this nonsense, having neither legal fact or effect. There is no such thing as “AGENCY BY ESTOPPEL”, this has already been declared legally a crock, long ago, dead and done, along with all the rest of the so called 'Dorean Process'.

Moogie waxes indignant
TRY TO KEEP UP NOTARIAL!!!
Try to keep up yourself Moogs, I was referring to charges coming after this one is filed. The UCC statements are false on their face, and they committed mail fraud in filing them. So glad you are amused, don’t think Kurt will be when he gets another long sentence tacked on to the one he already has.

Moogie misses the point
Remember the prosecution in the criminal case tried to say the UCC has nothing to do with the criminal charges against the Dorean Group & that the Dorean Group couldn't use the UCC as a defense of their actions of filing the paperwork they did.
And it didn’t, and the matter at hand has nothing to do with the currently pending charge.

Moogie waxes indignant
Your original prediction of life imprisonment was based upon all the 68 counts of original charges, not any additional charges after the trial.
Which is exactly what they would have gotten if they had been given the full sentences, and 25 years can be a very long time. They got lucky, and they seem bent on reversing that luck.

Moogie tries for a point, and misses
All mail for all inmates is supervised or read or the bureau of prisons say they already have that right.

Do they sell crayons & carrier pigeons in the prison commissary store?

Apparently not well enough if he could get the stuff mailed out that is going to add years to his sentence. Don’t recognize sarcasm well do you. I would suspect after this he won’t even have access to the crayons.

mogel007 said...

"Please note that due to the number of victims, in this case, future notices will be posted to the VNS website, therefore, this will most likely be the last mailing that you will receive. If you do not have computer access, please let me know."
________________________________

Judge Bean, do you know of any title companies or mortgage insurers THAT DO NOT HAVE COMPUTER ACCESS? LOL

mogel007 said...

The form letter goes on to ask:

"Have you experienced any of the following reactions to the crime. Please realize these are normal reactions to a traumatic event or situation":

__ Anger
__ Anxiety
___ Fear
___ Grief
___ Guilt
___ Numb
___ Sleep loss
___ Nightmares
___ Appetite Change
___ Trouble concentratin
___ Repeated memory of crime
___ Chronic fatigue
___ Uncontrolled crying
___ Depression
________________________________

My reaction to that is, what if a person had most if not almost all those traits before the so called crime was committed? Hmmmmmmmm. Now I know I am a victim!!!!! At least it's official now that I have my assigned number! LOL

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent said: "The notary protest, something the notary cannot legally do,"
___________________________

It's not illegal for a notary to affirm a default and a non answer from the other party which is a fact. When I sued in small claims court against a tenant for a judgment, & the tenant decided not to show up in court, I usually was asked to affirm certain things before the Judge would sign off on the judgment. Certain representations are necessary to show that the losing party is in default & that certain facts are necessary to attest to in order to support the judgment. That's basically what the notary is doing, & giving the other party a second notice or chance to tell their part of the story through an answer. Those acts aren't considered to be deceptive or illegal. On the contrary if anything it a non bias testimony to the facts.

mogel007 said...

The UCC statements are false on their face, and they committed mail fraud in filing them.
_________________________________

Can you please explain that statement & be more specific as to what you mean by giving examples.

mogel007 said...

http://www.allbusiness.com/glossaries/agency-by-estoppel/4949224-1.html

Apparently a 166,000 hits on google says that there is something legitimate to the doctrine of "agency by estoppel".

mogel007 said...

Judge Bean quotes how he believes the Dorean Group violated the law: "by making material misrepresentations, including but not limited to misrepresentations that the U.S. employees are indebted to Defendant, have granted Defendant a lien in their property,"
_____________________________

If you believe that ABOUT THE MISREPRESENTATION STUFF, you also believe that the Nazis on trial at the Nurenbug trial after World War II were also innocent of the crimes they committed against the Jews & had no debt to be paid either for their criminal acts of keeping the conspiracy going by following orders. After all, THEY WERE JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS by killing all of those Jews & had no choice & following orders doesn't carry any penalty or debt of repayment to those that are hurt. That was the defense of the German officers. Course we all know that they were hung in the end or executed.

The Bureau of Prisons, were just doing their job & following orders from higher above, by enfringing on the rights of the Dorean Group, so why should they have a debt to pay as playing a part in this conspiracy? Is a debt created when you violate a persons constitutional rights through your mere participation in a conspiracy? When you do that, aren't you in a sense authorizing a debt that is owed to those that you harm?

Remember Lt. Calley during the Vietnam War Era? He was put on criminal trial for war crimes basically. He was just following orders by killing civillians & children & was found to be guilty. You might even call him an employee of the U.S. as a soldier, one who had a debt that needed to be paid.

When you follow orders of superiors over your conscience (the highest authority), than something is deeply wrong & you'll eventually be responsible & have to pay.

mogel007 said...

On the subject of UCC filings that may or may not be proper, isn't Mr. Alvin J. Hansen, the biggest offender ever if he is guilty of anything at all. Hasn't he put a lien against almost anyone of significance to the tune of trillions of dollars. He claims to own Bank of America among others. See the following:

http://la.indymedia.org/uploads/2008/02/federal_and_state_courts_id_theft_87_pg.pdf

The question arises, why was Mr. Hansen never charged with mail fraud by filing false UCC filing statements?

Course he hasn't been heard from since Feb. 2008. Maybe he was killed? Maybe that was easier than taking him to court.

mogel007 said...

Here is the link again:

http://la.indymedia.org/
uploads/2008/02/federal_and_state_courts
_id_theft_87_pg.pdf

mogel007 said...

Here's some of the blog info on Alvin Joseph Hansen:

http://blateration.com/
category/alvin-hansen/

His other blog site no longer exists & he doesn't answer his emails anymore. Something isn't right.

mogel007 said...

Here's a list of UCC liens that Mr. Hansen filed in the State of Oregon. It's in the trillions of dollars:


http://media.portland.
indymedia
.org/media/2008/
02/371819.pdf

Wasn't Kurt only asking for around 40 billion at one time. Certainly it wasn't in the trillions category.

mogel007 said...

Chicago Title being sold for
3 Billion in Feb. 2008? This was the last time Mr. Alvin Hansen has been heard from posting anything new:


http://la.indymedia.org/
uploads/2008/02/trust_irs_liquidate_
property_75___off_chicago
_title_
slanders.pdf

Mr. Hansen did say that the Dorean Group would go free. Now Mr. Hansen may not be around to see his prediction.

Judge Roy Bean said...

Gashler - Hansen was probably called back to his home planet. Either that or he was killed for the thirty-eighth time.

dr. ira gilac said...

yah....i remvber that guy....i alway wonder if he no what he wes doin'....i meen, yo can fill some loins for a few hunderd billin maybe.... but when yo stot fillin leans fo many trillons, then yo takin some reel muney now...sumnone gonna get po'd at yo.....jes' like jugge beens....he stole trillons of pples real estate fo the banks....now maybe he better wash his behind, i meen watch his behind, becoss he near the end...then maybe he best do both...watch and wash his behind if he see sunthins cumming to get him......

habakkuk said...

Hey doc (sop),

I always wondered how you can purposely mis-spell words to make yourself sound silly..and do it so fluently...geeeese, thats incredible. You've had lots of practice these couple years havnt you?

dr. ira gilac said...

LOL!


....it must be one of dem gifs i guss.....btw, its DR. to yo.....ever hear of a gee name norm crosby?.....he was a master at it...sum ppls didnt think that he was funny, but it was like you needed at least 1/2 a brain to fine the guy funny.....and yeah, this blaaahgh is good practice fo it.....with all the carchters yo got in here....beans, demo, back end, fur up the gills, etc.

dr. ira gilac said...

beans, demo, back end, fur up the gills, etc.


;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

dr. ira gilac said...

where will it all "end"...even grudge beanless will get a kyke out of this one.....from 3winds.com





6/22/08

NOTE: Is it any wonder that Angela Merke supports the Zionists, when she is Aloph Hitler's daughter? PHB ]





http://www.fourwinds10.com/
siterun_data/history/
zionism/news.php?q=121423422




yo gotta admint it.....pres of germsany is hey dawlfs sh*itlers dawter.....


this is toooo much....i cahnge my mine...."scooty, beem me back up".....i cant take it anymo...i gonna die laffing.....

dr. ira gilac said...

nex thins yo no, they will tole yo that the poop in wome is gawd.....dam it!! that wah they sayin in i owe wha rite now.......or even in miss urine too....

notorial dissent said...

Moogie come up blanks again
It's not illegal for a notary to affirm a default and a non answer from the other party which is a fact.
Actually it is. It is not within a Notary’s legal authority to do any such nonsense, and any Notary stupid enough to do so or be involved in such an action can lose their commission for it. But then this is just one more bit of nonsense to go along with all the rest

that's why it is called fraud Moogs
Can you please explain that statement & be more specific as to what you mean by giving examples.
The UCC’s are based on nonsense documents and have no basis in fact, the parties they are filed against must have given their permission for the filing, none of that happened, they, like the Dorean process, are a crock. The CA Sec of state will be ordered to void them, if they haven’t already, as they do not conform to law.

Moogie makes silly again
Judge Bean quotes how he believes the Dorean Group violated the law: "by making material misrepresentations,
That’s a fancy word for LIED, something Kurt is very good at, and that is just exactly what it is, another tissue of lies. And, it isn’t JRB who believes it, but the DOJ, and they are the ones filing the charges. The rest of your diatribe is just embarrassing, even for you, pathetic and embarrassing.

and now for a little attempted justification
Mr. Alvin J. Hansen, the biggest offender ever
Hansen is a fruitcake, and I would suspect his stuff has already be legally dealt with. It is because of whack jobs like this that Federal and State statutes were passed making it a felony to do just what he and Kurt have been doing. Kurt will go to jail, longer, Hansen to the funny farm, if he isn’t already there.

Moogs, you're sounding even lamer and more desperate than usual, surely you haven't run out of nonsense already, since you ran out of reality and facts a long time ago?

dr. ira gilac said...

yo grudge beans....asswer me a queston.....i no that yo is very smot gee wit yo IQ of 162 and all....not like me...yo avg cuntry bimkin....so, afta july 7, is my moogage gonna dispair o' wha???


am i gonnna get 'lit up' on that day an despair inna 'black ho' alone wit my mogage?????


no, yo no that on da day, they gonna lite up da "big macheen" in swaziland....yo no, the big agate smasher and some sintists say that it gonna crate a big black ho and we gonna despair into it...what yo think of it???



czec out the detractor "cooldown status" here:

http://lhc.web.cern.ch/
lhc/Cooldown_status.htm


and the cowdown status here:

http://www.lhcountdown.com/



as yo can see, day stating to cool it down grudge...but wha i forget, yo already despair in yo black robs and noone can see yo anwyay....it all good, so when yo steel pppls houses, good that they cant see yo wearin all balck robes....maybe yo too will disapaer when they lite up the super cauldron...dun forget, grudge, try to be honus in yo next life....

dr. ira gilac said...

May 13th, 2008
A clarification

The countdown timer was set to the 15th of May because there was no definite time given for the actual activation, recent events show that CERN wont be dividing by zero until later on in the year, so now the countdown timer will be reset again and will be continually tweaked to go by the latest info that CERN are releasing.

So sorry to disappoint you all, but you wont be dying tomorrow.

Posted in LHC articles | 358 Comments »

dr. ira gilac said...

wont be dividing by zero





grudge...wha is divining by -0- anyways?....



that wha yo get left when beans done divvying up all yo house with the bankers and layers... exactly that... -0-

Scott from Vineland said...

Yawn

dr. ira gilac said...

ho..ho...ho!!!

neodemes said...

Wow, so much to scroll past.

Rave on, moogs!

dr. ira gilac said...

yo beans....when you take the pples huse in yo coatroom in 4 clochers, do yo tell em' that 33 stats have the right of redeemshun wher they can buy they huse back from the lender or ho ever bawt it at the closure sale??....bet none of yo black robes that yo dont tell em that do yo?

dr. ira gilac said...

nice job grudge beans....did they spilt the proofits with yo.... 1/2 - 1/2 o wha?? not bad beans... $400 a pop....yo kids eat good i bet.....

------------------------



"Connecticut Marshals Make Millions Serving Foreclosure Papers." Some disturbing points:

"The marshals serve papers on banking institutions, homeowners and town clerk offices, pocketing a state-established fee that typically ranges from $350 to $400 per service."



Six state marshals grossed more than $500,000 last year, including four who earned nearly all of their money serving foreclosure notices for Judge R. Beans..."



http://www.courant.com/news
/politics/hc-marshals
0623.artjun23,0,774046.
story

dr. ira gilac said...

Six state marshals grossed more than $500,000




yo cold make a livin' dong nothing but closuers....it even pay better than belly brawls HYIPs......

Judge Roy Bean said...

"Dr.," - FYI - Texas is a non-judicial foreclosure state.

dr. ira gilac said...

hey grudge, wha hoppens when the state cant pay its bills in the coathouse yo "works" in??? and they have to "sell" it to forin inveterates???

then they gonna focloze on yo and yo will be out too!!


rember, grudge, aks to see to prommy note and ho owns it.

nonetherwize, yo be out "naked" on the street sellin jars of vassalin....then agin, maybe yo be happy doon da...

BigO said...

test

BigO said...

God bless you my brothers, fight the good fight!

God is still in control. exciting times to come, hang in there!!!

SEE YOU AT THE TOP!!!!

BIG"O" 1+1+1=1

dr. ira gilac said...

that it...dum yo noze at the nuke (the) world order....mak all yo posts @

9:11
9:13
11:11
11:13

11:22
11:33, :44, :55

7:11, 13, 22, 33....est....

dr. ira gilac said...

dun let the numbiz scar yo....they aint all that..day jus numbness.....

dr. ira gilac said...

dat guy on intanest raydeeo...he say to hisslef.....

F@@K the nude wurld offer!!

dr. ira gilac said...

story says: all thirstees get water.....in the latest rerpot toasted mints ago....

now i says: "show me the money" fo all dose failed HUIPs that i vested in.


world despots.org

mogel007 said...

Neodemes said: I will be clearly the Lord."

"Nothing manic there."
_______________________________

Nemo, I think you need to take the whole paragraph in context. Clearly in the end, Kurt will be Lord or Master or Victor in control OVER the government's wishes when payouts or restitution begins for clients. The government has tried to stop the process & program in any way that they could.

Kurt said: "The government will not and cannot be your savior. Not on my watch. I will be clearly the Lord."

notorial dissent said...

Yawn!!!!!!!

dr. ira gilac said...

pleeze dont boooom us now!!!

what r yo all crazzzeeeee?!


my HYPE is just but reddy to payout!


http://www.fourwinds10.com/
siterun_data/government/
fraud/russia_and_china/
news.php?q=1214448366


and:



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dr. ira gilac said...

BOOOOOM!!!!!!

mogel007 said...

Notarial said: "the Dorean clients/victims were only mentioned in passing, and 3) the charge they were convicted on was MAIL FRAUD,"
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How nice. The Dorean victims were only mentioned in passing in the trial and not pled as victims, yet there is somehow restitution of $512,000 that has to be paid back due to this passing thing since the only victims according to you were the clients as far as the relevancy of the trial is concerned & the mail fraud is concerned.

What do they call that type of bait & switch stuff. Oh yea, I remember: "Pleading a cause for which there is no legal relief." It is like filing a forcible entry & detainer on a tenant who has already moved out of your rental home & filing a forcible entry & detainer, and then asking the Judge in passing for money damages at the trial hearing when that issue of money damages wasn't even originally pled. The Judge will probably just dismiss the complete forcible entry & detainer case because it was filed wrongfully since you can't plead one thing & demand something entirely different in the trial. It's legal abuse of due process. Certainly you are smart enough to see that.

mogel007 said...

In a forcible entry & detainer (eviction process), the issue & heart of the hearing, is does the tenant have unlawful possession of the house or does he still have the rights to dwell there legally? If the tenant doesn't have the right to dwell there anymore, because he has violated the lease, the relief or remedy of restitution is that the Sheriff will personally evict the tenant, after a judgment is signed off by the Judge, NOT that the Sheriff has a right to collect money for unpaid rent or damages to the home. The landlord can't say, I want possesesion & want him gone, because he is gay. His sexual orientation is irrelevant & not a legal basis for the forcible entry & detainer filing. A legal basis for the criminal trial was that the Federal Court had jurisdiction. When no financial institutions were victims, when the bank fraud charges were dropped, the court lost any possible jurisdiction. With no jurisdiction, the convictions of the peitite jury are moot & of no force.

The issue of rent owed to be included in the judgment, especially if NOT PLED by the Plaintiff, DOES NOT BECOME AN ISSUE in the court trial & CAN'T BECOME AN ISSUE even if it is brought up in passing & an honest & fair Judge would not consider IRRELEVANT issues & would not include unpaid rent in the judgment he signs off on, because the trial wasn't about unpaid rent or damages to the home. It was only about possession of the home & who has it!!!! Those issues of rent or damages, must be filed separately in a separate claim as a "money claim" of damages, & not filed, as a forcible entry & detainer action.

Based upon the issues pled, the Judge is restricted to hear only those issues & those issues of relevance & those charges must be proven & there must be a victim & there must be facts to rely upon in the court record to determine who the victims were & the victims must also be specifically pled & real damages itemized in order for the Judge to grant relief.

If the tenant has moved out of the home, the landlord's filing of a forcible entry & detainer BECOMES MOOT & of no force because the Judge can't grant any legal relief. The Judge won't decide possession when it's obvious the Landlord already has it. It is a SETTLED MATTER.

The issue is about possession, not that the tenant might be doing mail fraud at the home by sending out a chain letter to people. Besides the Landlord didn't plead those illegal acts were being performed at the home so this is also irrelevant & shouldn't even be considered.

Even if the Landlord provides proof in pictures that the house was destroyed & proof that the tenant never paid any rent, since those things were not pled, THOSE ISSUES ARE TOTALLY IRRLEVANT & can't be heard nor considered in any restitution.

When a landlord files a forcible entry & detainer because he is not sure the tenant has moved out of the home, because he didn't bother to check, when it's obvious the tenant took all of his personal belongings & his vehicles are no longer there & all his personal belongings are also gone, by a personal inspection by looking through the windows, do you think a fair Judge is going to even want to hear the forcible entry & detainer the Landlord filed after discovering a few facts that make the hearing IRRELEVANT? In Notarial Dissent's fantasy world of make believe, the hearing should continue even though no relief can be granted.

When all of the bank fraud charges were dropped against the Dorean Group, the criminal trial should have become irrelevant, moot & dismissed. In other words, the financial institutions CAN'T BE THE VICTIMS because the prosecution dropped those charges. There were no possible victims anymore that were pled, so the trial should have stopped & Defendants should have gone free. Relief for victims unpled, CAN'T BE GRANTED without violating due process. A new trial must begin with new charges, with new victims pled, in order to convict. This wasn't done, yet the Dorean Group still remain incarcerated. So much for how the System should work.

The Dorean Group were convicted of MAIL FRAUD "IN PASSING" due to the wrongful Jury instructions by Judge Alsup to the petite jury since there is no facts of record in the hearing to support the mail fraud convictions.

This is now my favorite phrase: "In passing".

"In passing" to the next life, it was heard that Judge Alsup exclaimed: "The Devil made me do it." It seemed like the wrong thing to do, so I did it. Besides my banker friends love me. LOL

mogel007 said...

Here are other jurisdiction problems with the criminal trial that convicted the Dorean Group of make believe crimes.

VICTIM: is a source of confusion in that the UNITED STATES is the party named yet the claim arising out of USCS 18 1344 REQUIRES financial institutions to be victims. The indictment does not make the victim(s) clear. Further in the curative instructions in the motion in limine, the prosecution say the UNITED STATES is the victim. We believe our speculation would be presumptive and dangerous since words used out of context is a pretext which leads to error. The following were NEVER CLARIFIED BY THE PROSECUTION since affiants have neither been presented with, nor shown, any evidence in demonstrating or disproving these points:

FACTS UNDISPUTED

1. the UNITED STATES is not the victim of account in the case known as CR-05-00611 WHA

2. Under the statute 18 1344 the UNITED STATES, cannot be named a victim.

3. the UNITED STATES IS not the financial institution of the statute 18 1344
(incidently, neither is the dorean client)

4. The "financial institution" is a fictional entity unto itself.

5. The "financial institution" as a separate entity is not under the canopy of protections by a principal-agent relationship with the UNITED STATES.

6. The UNITED STATES is not an entity identified with standing to bring suit.

7. the agents Scott N. Schools, Mary Krotoski, James Keller and Mary K. "Dimke are not authorized agents of the UNITED STATES claiming to be the victim.

8. The UNITED STATES is not an entity with standing to claim a damage.

9. The "financial institution" as a separate entity from the UNITED STATES is not a citizen of the UNITED STATES.

10. The "financial institution" is subject to another jurisdiction as in a state of the union as opposed to the UNITED STATES.

11. The UNITED STATES has no equity stake in the separate "financial institution".

12. The UNITED STATES is not an officer, not a member of the board, and has no vote in the operation of the "financial institution".

13. The UNITED STATES cannot claim a public interest without proof of any interest.

14. The private interest of citizens are not synonymous with the public interest of the UNTIED STATES absent a contract.

15. Absent a contract the UNITED STATES interest are severed from the interest of others.

16. The UNITED STATES cannot claim an interest without proof of an interest.

17. the UNITED STATES is not exempt from the tenets of law concerning notice and expression.

18. The UNITED STATES as plaintiff is the Union of States united created by the will of the people as a republic.

19. That the UNITED STATES is a corporation with private interest.

20. the UNITED STATES is not a public trust endowed with public policy.

mogel007 said...

Further in the curative instructions in the motion in limine, the prosecution say the UNITED STATES is the victim.

Yet IN PASSING, the jury concluded that the Dorean clients were the victims of mail fraud. LOL LOL LOL

Maybe they dropped the ball, you think, or maybe they were just not playing attention; I mean paying attention.

Remember the trial that happened recently that was declared a mis- trial by the Judge because the Jury wasn't paying attention to the witnesses in the trial, but many of the Jury participants were playing that Japanese game of numbers (Sedoki?) rather than listening to the facts. It was so obvious, the Judge had no choice, but to declare a mistrial.

"Retards" all of them are, said the genius who preferred to be declared guilty in the first round to show that they are all retards by their false conclusions.

Course even Jesus himself preferred to die in the first round, & agree to be crucified, but the second go around, he plans to kick butt!!!!!

"Be nice, until it is no longer required to be nice." From the "Roadhouse" movie.

habakkuk said...

"Be nice, until it is no longer required to be nice." From the "Roadhouse" movie.

CHEESEY MOVIE, BUT GREAT LINE:-)

notorial dissent said...

Moogie’s mouth moved and nothing of consequence issued forth
The Dorean victims were only mentioned in passing in the trial and not pled as victims, yet there is somehow restitution of $512,000 that has to be paid back due to this passing thing since the only victims according to you were the clients as far as the relevancy of the trial is concerned.

I have never made that statement or claim, and your statement is a total twisting of the facts. The trial was not about the clients, it was about MAIL FRAUD. The fact that the clients, or anyone else for that matter were not mentioned at the trial does not alter the fact that they were at some point and in some fashion victims of the scheme. They were defrauded, and as such may have some claim on the funds remaining.

As usual Moogs, you babble, and you are becoming even less coherent than usual. Incoherent, but still pathetic.

You’re still babbling.

The trial was about MAIL FRAUD, and that was what they were convicted of.

Your fantasies aside, it does not require a court conviction for someone or entity to be a victim. The rest is just you ranting pointlessly.


The Dorean Group were convicted of MAIL FRAUD "IN PASSING" due to the wrongful Jury instructions by Judge Alsup to the petite jury since there is no facts of record in the hearing to support the mail fraud convictions.

The Dorean dimbos were convicted on properly presented and proved mail fraud charges, the jury was more than capable of figuring it all out, and they did. Your delusions not withstanding, so give it up.

Since the charges ultimately brought to trial were for MAIL FRAUD and not bank fraud, you have wasted a great deal of time and effort on your 20 pointless points, all of which are total nonsense.

Rant on Moogs rant on, you are sounding sillier by the minute.

dr. ira gilac said...

The trial was about MAIL FRAUD, and that was what they were convicted of.




whats that???


is that when i try to mail a letter and i put already used stamps and then mail it? try to fool the PO?

mogel007 said...

Notarial said: "Since the charges ultimately brought to trial were for MAIL FRAUD and not bank fraud, you have wasted a great deal of time"
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The following documents filed or sent through the mails, "substitution of trustee for the lender", " the complete presentment", "power of attorney for the bank", "discharge of mortgage", "notice of intent to cure title" and all other documents sent through the mail or filed, were all about defrauding who? The Judge labeled this process a scam, so who is the scam geared towards defrauding? In other words, who was the object of this alleged conspiracy?

Couldn't have been about defrauding the lending institutions, as the victims, since you say the trial wasn't about bank fraud, even though the prosecution pled the financial institutions as victims of this scam. Too bad, they couldn't prove that.

Couldn't have been about the clients, since the intent of those documents WEREN'T about the client's detriment, or to defraud the client out of anything since the upfront fee for this process was already paid before any of these documents were mailed.

Also this paperwork was believed by the Dorean Group & client alike, all about getting the mortgage annulled & providing a proof basis & paper trail justification for such. Certainly judging by intent & sincere belief alone, the alleged mail fraud wasn't about injuring the clients.

For a conspiracy to exist, there needs to be two or more parties. If the Dorean Group is one party to the alleged conspiracy, who is the other party? Can't be the dorean client, because they are the victims of the alleged conspiracy according to the restitution order & according to the Justice Dept. by their admittance of mailing out all of those letters to dorean clients/victims.

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent says: The fact that the clients, or anyone else for that matter were not mentioned at the trial does not alter the fact that they were at SOME POINT and in SOME FASHION victims of the scheme.
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Even you admit that the upfront fees paid AREN'T the definitive reason or oject of the scheme since you so loosely define HOW the dorean clients were victims, & WHEN they became a victim. As a matter of fact, you made these conditions of when & how very ambiguous.

In other words, we both agree that the monies paid to the Dorean Group wasn't the underlying object of the scheme. It wasn't specifically about defrauding the clients out of money. We at least agree there.

If you believed otherwise, you would have clearly said, that the Dorean client became a victim when they paid money, which you did not.

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent said: "Since the charges ultimately brought to trial were for MAIL FRAUD and not bank fraud, you have wasted a great deal of time and effort."
______________________________

That's no way to talk about U.S. prosecutors, who according to Judge Bean are extremely intelligent.

Intelligent people don't waste time & efforts, or did the prosecutors in fact waste the courts time & efforts & abuse the due process of the defendants by false charges brought?

Yes, we agree again!!! This agreeing stuff between you & I seems to becoming contagious lately.

Judge Roy Bean said...

Gashler, you are so easily confused it's almost not worth trying to explain legal concepts to you over and over again.

They (Johnson, Heineman and a number of your fellow brokers) CONSPIRED to defraud others, including the participants and financial institutions. They were convicted of one count of conspiracy.

The bogus presentment documents were all about defrauding multiple parties, including some participants who were lured into the scam and paid the conspirators thousands of dollars for the privilege of nearly losing their homes.

And it is still fraud if you conspire and then try to defraud someone and they catch you in the act before they lose anything.

The fraudster doesn't have to get a dime in the scheme to make it a crime.

So what part of the charges were false? They conspired to defraud thousands of people and hundreds of financially-involved companies and when they got caught doing it, they were indicted and convicted.

notorial dissent said...

Moogem mouthings run amok
The following documents filed or sent through the mails, "substitution of trustee for the lender", " the complete presentment", "power of attorney for the bank", "discharge of mortgage", "notice of intent to cure title" and all other documents sent through the mail or filed, were all about defrauding who?

Nice to see you finally getting around to admitting that it was all a scam, and equally nice of you to provide the laundry list of fraudulent documents as well.

Moogie prevaricates
The Judge labeled this process a scam, so who is the scam geared towards defrauding? In other words, who was the object of this alleged conspiracy?

The scam was geared towards everyone it came in contact with, the clients for thinking they were going to get something and for getting money out of the clients, the registrar’s for thinking they were getting legitimate documents, the title insurance people for thinking that they were insuring property that had been properly cleared, the lenders for thinking that they were loaning money on property that had been released. In other words, Moogs, since the documents were fraudulent, anyone who saw them and took them face value, or saw them period, was defrauded.

Moogie can’t count either
For a conspiracy to exist, there needs to be two or more parties. If the Dorean Group is one party to the alleged conspiracy, who is the other party?

Since the Dorean Group did not exist as a legal entity, and even if it had, there was still dim and dimmer to start with, then the brokers, and finally the clients, all parties in one fashion or another to the conspiracy, even if unknowing of the whole thing.

Moogie tries valiantly to defend a lost position
Even you admit that the upfront fees paid AREN'T the definitive reason or oject of the scheme since you so loosely define HOW the dorean clients were victims, & WHEN they became a victim.

No, I said the fees were part of the scam, they were the touchpoint of it, and thus the clients were the first victims of the fraud. They were promised(that’s polite for lied to) something that was never ever going to happen, they were lightened of $3000 or thereabouts, and they were in many cases started on the road to losing their homes. That qualifies as a scam and a fraud any day of the week.

More Moogishness
In other words, we both agree that the monies paid to the Dorean Group wasn't the underlying object of the scheme. It wasn't specifically about defrauding the clients out of money. We at least agree there.

We agree on nothing.

The intent from the very beginning was out and out fraud with first and primary being to get as much up front money as possible, and then to see if the rest of the scheme would work to get the further loan proceeds, which it did in a limited number of cases. Happily, at least for most people, the scam fell apart before they ended up owing for two loans they couldn’t pay off. It was always about defrauding the original suckers, and the big payoff would be if any of them followed through on the rest of the scheme.

Don’t try and twist my words Moogs, you are having a hard enough time keeping track of your own.

Moogie misses again
That's no way to talk about U.S. prosecutors, who according to Judge Bean are extremely intelligent.

I wasn’t talking about the prosecutors, I was talking about that collection of nonsense you posted, 20 points of pure nonsense having no basis in reality or fact.

The thing you refuse to accept or acknowledge is that the fraud was based on many components, all of them illegal; the conspiracy to commit the fraud, the scamming of the clients for fees, the presentment sent to the lenders, the fraudulent power of attorney, the fraudulent releases, the loans obtained by fraud, the loan proceeds obtained by the dim duo after the fraudulently obtained loans were received, the fraud against the banks/lenders, the fraud against the title insurance companies, and the fraud against people who bought properties they thought were free and clear and weren’t, and let’s not forget the winner here, using the mails to commit fraud and the sending of fraudulent documents through the mails. These, and probably many others I have missed were all elements of the over all fraud. There is no requirement, despite your delusions, that they be charged on all or even most of the elements, any one that is provable, and was, is sufficient. They were charged, tried, and convicted of MAIL FRAUD, which was a part of the overall scheme, they were sentenced to prison for that crime. The fact that the dimmest of the duo seems bent on adding a further round of charges to what he has already collected is just further amusement.

dr. ira gilac said...

"The bogus presentment documents were all about defrauding multiple parties,



ok...then i will get the mailman involved.....

dr. ira gilac said...

nice job, beans....keep closin' on everynone....soon will all be sleppin' in kars...





June 26, 2008

Homeless people living in cars and motorhomes across the US are being joined by a new breed: the middle class.

As mortgage foreclosures continue to rise, growing numbers of middle-class professionals are losing their homes and downsizing from four bedrooms to four wheels.

With numbers rising, New Beginnings, a homeless agency in Santa Barbara, California, has launched a safe parking scheme, whose aim is to provide a refuge of sorts for those who have nowhere to go other than their vehicle.

Guy Trevor lost his job as an interior designer when the sector contracted thanks to the foreclosure crisis. With his furniture sold and his belongings in storage, he now lives in his car, spending the nights in one of the 12 gated car parks in Santa Barbara run by New Beginnings.

"I see myself as a casualty of a perfect storm," he said. "The people sleeping at the [car parks] are ... just like me. They come from normal, everyday homes. I think a lot of people in this country don't realise that they, too, are a couple of pay cheques away from destitution."

In normally affluent Santa Barbara there were 150 foreclosures last month, with a total of 800 for the year ending in May, according to the county assessor's office, which assesses property for tax purposes.

Each month, an auction of foreclosed properties is held on the steps of the Santa Barbara courthouse.

"The way the economy is going, it's amazing the people who are becoming homeless. It's hit the middle class," Nancy Kapp, of New Beginnings, told CNN.

Another of Kapp's clients, Barbara Harvey, 67, also lost her job and subsequently her home thanks to the foreclosure crisis. As with Trevor, her job as a loans processor was connected to the housing market.

Harvey now lives with her three dogs in her car, parking at night in a women-only car park run by the agency. "I didn't think this would happen to me," she said. "It's just something that I don't think that people think is going to happen to them."

The rise in the number of homeless people sleeping in cars has led to a clampdown in Los Angeles. In common with many US cities, it is illegal to live in vehicles on public streets. This year the city banned almost all overnight parking on residential streets. A first violation receives a $50 (£25) fine, while subsequent offences carry fines of up to $100.

"For more working class and lower middle class people, the car is the first stop of being homeless, and sometimes it turns out to be a long stop," Gary Blasi, a University of California, Los Angeles, law professor and homelessness activist told the Associated Press.

The city has the highest number of homeless people in the US, with an estimated 73,000 living rough. A survey last year of more than 3,000 of them showed that 250 were sleeping in their cars.

www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/26/usa.creditcrunch

dr. ira gilac said...

moogal,

yo betr run over to wold resorts and check out the latest story from stroy:


he says that the moomon chuch is crup.....

chek it out, from....



"THE EDITOR":



7. It appears that the Moomons have been receiving 'big money'. However, in a related complication relayed to us at 10:05pm EDT, the Mormons did not receive (further) payment on 26th June 2008, in accordance with undertakings said to have been given by President Bush and Cheney. When they did not receive payment, they started 'playing up', which is why we know about this development.



(FACT: In 1998, a prominent Israeli-American intelligence officer informed the Editor of this service that all so-called 'religious' organisations are money-laundering enterprises/used for this purpose).

dr. ira gilac said...

hurry up! before demo reads it and starts gashing you for it!


corse, i alredy no about the 2nd haf of the statement:

ive long since known even boefor 1998 that "chruchs" are nothing but....what they call em'?


finacial obscation devices or money (p)lundering operations...LOL!

mogel007 said...

Judge Bean said: "They (Johnson, Heineman and a number of your fellow brokers) CONSPIRED to defraud others, including the participants and financial institutions. They were convicted of one count of conspiracy."
______________________________


I still think none of the Brokers intentionally believed that they were defrauding clients by their Broker position & certainly didn't believe they were defrauding the financial institutions.

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent said: "The scam was geared towards everyone it came in contact with, the clients for thinking they were going to get something"
____________________________

So if the client settlements happen, do you admit it can no longer be called a scam, & that the convictions should be overturned?

dr. ira gilac said...

.....the Editor of this service.....



...LOLOOLLLOOO.....OOLLOOOLLOLOLOL

adam12 said...

ALEX MERKLINGER WAS CAPTURED JUNE 25, 2008 FOR FELONY SECURITIES FRAUD. ANOTHER DOREAN GROUP CRIMINAL FACES THE MAN FOR BEING A GREEDY SOCIOPATHIC CAREER CRIMINAL. ONE BY ONE ALL THESE LOW LIFE ARE GOING TO JAIL.
THEIR MOMMY'S NEVER TOLD THEM THE GOLDEN RULE. SOME OF THEM JUST FUCKED WITH THE WRONG VICTIM.
MAY THEY ALL ROT IN HELL AND BE THE GLORY HOLE FOR THE BLACK AND ILLEGAL MEXICAN JAIL GANG BANGERS THAT LUST FOR THEIR LILLY WHITE GREEDY ASS'S. TIME TO LUBE UP THOSE HOLES BOYZ.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://dao.elpasoco.com/NR/rdonlyres/86FB60CE-D36E-4082-93E4-1FA8E29F2006/0/Perez_N.jpg&imgrefurl=http://dao.elpasoco.com/NR/exeres/2A8B51C9-4EB9-4730-86BF-D4FE5914FD0F,frameless.htm&h=470&w=384&sz=42&hl=en&start=38&tbnid=ie8YYQSE0NhE0M:&tbnh=129&tbnw=105&prev=/images%3Fq%3DALEX%2BMERKLINGER%26start%3D20%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

notorial dissent said...

Moogs makes another funny
I still think none of the Brokers intentionally believed that they were defrauding clients by their Broker position & certainly didn't believe they were defrauding the financial institutions.

You have got to be kidding? Unless the broker were totally brain dead or devoid of morals all together, they had to know, or at the very least suspect that what they were doing was at the very least questionable if not downright illegal. The brokers were in it as much for the money as the dim duo was, and if you are trying to convince yourself otherwise, you really have problems.

Moogie really makes a funny, pathetic, but funny
So if the client settlements happen, do you admit it can no longer be called a scam, & that the convictions should be overturned?

There will pork in the treetops first. There has to be something to make a settlement with and right now, and for the considerable foreseeable future the dim duo got bupkis, so they won’t be settling anything, but maybe their accounts at the prison canteen. The Dorean process, was, is, and will remain a scam for the simple reason that is what it was.

neodemes said...

moogie snivels:

"I still think none of the Brokers intentionally believed that they were defrauding clients by their Broker position & certainly didn't believe they were defrauding the financial institutions."

Nice piece of CYA, Byron "I'm not only a client - I'm a broker" Gashler.

So, are you counting on getting some reimbursement for falling for your own sack o'stink?

LOL

You must be twins - one person can't possibly be as numb as you are.

Judge Roy Bean said...

Gashler, still lying through his teeth asked:

So if the client settlements happen, do you admit it can no longer be called a scam, & that the convictions should be overturned?

"Client settlements?" LOL!

Please explain any bona fide legal theory that connects yet another scam you and Fred are promoting to further scam the 'clents' to overturning the convictions of Johnson and Heineman.

dr. ira gilac said...

TIME TO LUBE UP





yeah...that jus' wha jug beans wants...he bawt "loads" of stoc in the vassalin co.......sure to "rise"

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