Saturday, June 14, 2008
Restitution (June 12, 2008)
On June 10th Scott and I were before Mr. Alsup for the last time. There was a certain joy about the finality of the experience. It was for a restitution hearing. As it turned out the restitution was set at $512,000.00 roughly. We argued for $60,000,000.00 but they would have none of it. They through out all these large numbers when they want to make us the villains but when equity comes to surface the game completely changes. I know most of you don't understand me yet but I am not playing a game. I am very serious about my role and what I had to prove to my generation of stupefied retards. I will mention one party that I want to make a particular point to. The Mckays are part of the restitution order. I do not care about that. What I do care about is you and your profession of faith. As I wrote you in the past I said silver and gold have I not but what I do have I give to you. I wanted you to share in my faith which is the faith of Christ. I apparently was not successful at inspiring you. This I regret. Now I must confess that the silver and gold part was not completely the truth. I do have the resources to fix your situation and I will not be holding it back. I must do things in a way that works well under the environment of an enemy. My petition to you is that even when the pressures of finance have been taken from you will you still be faithless? I want you so much to come to the full richness of knowing that all your fears and phobias were vanity. God was always about blessing you and you were resistant. That is the self examination tour I hope you will take at the end of the day. What I speak about is the eternal that got lost in all your worries about the cares of this world. The government will not and cannot be your savior. Not on my watch. I will be clearly the Lord. Please pay special attention to the coming announcement about pay-outs. Pray earnestly about your participation so that the devil does not deceive you out of your remedy. I am on your side and have always been. You know this but you didn't trust that still small voice. I intend to punish none of you clients for your ignorance. Your ignorance has been punishment enough. I had to go through the full gauntlet to protect you from yourselves and the enemy. I am not finished yet. I still have to deliver myself. It appears that may be after I have delivered you. After I have proven myself I hope you will be brave enough to say you're sorry and assist me in the final execution of my remedies. Even if you don't I have protected myself against your ignorance but at this time I will punish by not doing the work for you. The government can't find my money. I hid it right in front of their face. Neither can you because you chose to be as blind as the government. Scott and I were always many tiers of thinking above our procedurally bloated enemy. What the Bible says about the snares the enemy sets becomes their own is more true than you can imagine. Mr. Alsup did more to promote me than to extinguish my efforts. Actually with enemies like him who needs friends. I had hoped God would have redeemed him but it is what it is.
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 550 of 550no that i thik of it...he was seen gong into a mammon chuch one day by a paster on this blaaahhhhg....
wow! dis blaaaahg has over 400 pastes to it...by farts the most ever!
mus be taking up a lot of mimry...if it cuntinue like this, purry soon they will charge yo per paste.
and Moogie shows yet again why we call him clueless
The appeal lists "jurisdiction reasons" among many others
It can list phase of the moon for all I or the appeals court will care. They were tried in the proper, Federal, court, and that issue is long dead, like all the others.
Moogie rants some more
THAT TYPE OF THINKING TOTALLY IS A SLAP IN THE FACE OF THE APPEALS PROCESS & THE POWER & MEANING OF THE HIGHER COURTS RULING & AUTHORITY & ISN'T EVEN GOOD LAW.
Other than being largely incoherent, and totally clueless about the process you really don’t have anything concrete to say do you?
Moogie still oblivious to reality
That was one of the issues still unresolved WITHOUT FACTS TO THE CONTRARY. The actions of the BOP suggest they were the counsel for the Dorean Group.
You, and possibly the dim duo, are the only ones who think this. The BOP was never anything of the sort except in Kurt’s long list of delusionary behavior. The court spiked that nonsense when it first reared its idiotic head, did you miss that as well.
Moogie missed yet another boat
They were in a State of CA run jail, were they not, not a Federal Prison when these infractions took place
That would be a big NO, they were in the custody of the BOP at Dublin Federal Detention Center, that’s the Fed’s to you, they were prisoner’s, not summer camp guests. If you are in prison/jail, you get to abide by the rules set for that institution, it isn’t voluntary of optional. And it doesn’t make any difference if it is Fed, State, or local, the same types of rules apply, that is why they call it prison/jail.
Gashler, I really have no interest in various explanations of the tenets of your faith. This isn't a religious argument, it's a matter of truth and your continued promotion of a known fraudulent scheme.
Surely the church hierarchy has some way of punishing the unfaithful. Everyone sins but only the repentant are still considered faithful, right?
So there are only a few possibilities, one of which is you've admitted to your promotion of an participation in a fraudulent scheme that harmed other members and thus sought and got forgiveness. That's possible, but your continued support and defense of the scam and the convicted perpetrators would make that yet another lie.
A more likely scenario is you've concealed your involvement and promotion of the scam from the church, and if you're asked by your leadership (I believe that is a bishop in your church) if you have any sins to repent of, you've lied again and said 'no'.
Another possibility is you no longer are involved in the church because of one or the other of the above, but you like to keep others of the faith you recruited believing in the scheme so you use your position in the church for your own purposes.
Then there's the most plausible: You're just too stupid to know when to quit.
juggins...yo no looky at yo pic, an was thiking...if yo wood die yo beer red, then maybe yo wood lok like sinna closs an yo cood mak up fo yo evil an give everynone they house back...even jimmy noone get his hoss back...i no....it just wistful talkin'....yo cunt do that...
'Dip and Dipshit' versus "Dim and Dimmer". I like the latter's odds. All please enjoy what little freedom you have left.Happy fourth.
I'll second JRB's explanation of "most plausible" for Moogie's behavior.
We've seen far too much evidence of it over the last few years to really doubt it.
HAPPY FALL OF JULIE TO YALL!
(yes, even juggles)
Today, the 4th of July, commemorates the day when the United States
of America broke free from rule of the British Empire. We do not
understand the prophetic significances of this event, so in a
nutshell here it is.
The beast of Revelation has 7 heads and these represent empires.
Five had fallen ( Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Mede-Persia -Greece )
and the 6th was (the Roman Empire) then would come a 7th. The
British Empire was the 7th head of the beast system. The
pioneering Americans who came to this continent broke free from the
7th head of the Beast on July 4th, 1776.
This is why we celebrate this day when the United States declared
independence.
.....But the scripture points that out of the 7th would come an 8th.
(More on this later), but for now have a nice day.
Americans who came to this continent broke free from the
7th head of the Beast on July 4th, 1776.
i didn rite this, so i disgree with this comment...yo can never truly break free of "the beast" sytem....the wildebeest always lurks in the background....he tries hard to make yo thik that yo free of the beast...in fack, that when he got yo the most locked up....when yo thik that yo free.
jus like poples who vote, they thiks they free...fools...they just yooz the "dialetic" makin yo thins that yo got a choice.
moogie sez:
The polygamy issue can't go away even if the Church stops practicing it currently on earth, because it's evident that if Mormon doctrine is true, that some will have plurality of wives in the hereafter.
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It is evident that mormon doctrine is heresy.
Matthew 22:
25Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother:
26Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh.
27And last of all the woman died also.
28Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
29Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
nots....yo can never relish b freak of the beets....day good fo yo....
yah, when ah reckuns tro all the tee overbored, then they say...we will eat da beets from no on......so much fo da beets from da spook of revulsions in da babel.....
whaver yo do, made sho dat yo dun takes the mark of da beets, then yo b all red...carrots ok....
o like an eye talian wood say....da mak of ah-beets
in jinglish..pizza
What ever happened to the guy that deletes SOPS crappola?
spoking of slop, he just emealed me a otticle from above via (trawlem) trans-world email system...anther copy and post job, but slop siad it impotent to read. wehn the trubulsion gonna start.
so, hay it eez....
As you may know, this year is a Sabbatical Year in the Jewish Calendar. Starting next September 29, 2008, a new Sabbatical cycle will commence. It will run for seven years and conclude with another Sabbatical Year in 2014/15.
Also, you may know that Daniel’s seventieth week will be a seven-year Sabbatical cycle. Students of biblical prophecy have long compared Daniel’s seventieth week with the Tribulation Period as laid out in the book of Revelation.
Intrigued with the Scriptures that repeat over and over again that our Savior’s Second Coming will be heralded with signs in the heavens, in which the sun will be turned into darkness and the moon into blood, Pastor Mark Biltz went on the Internet, to a U.S. Government web site, to see if he could find any solar or lunar eclipses over the next few years that might be significant.
To his surprise, he found four lunar eclipses and two solar eclipses in the Sabbatical Year of 2014 and 2015. Also, he noticed that they all appear on Jewish Holy Days!
Lunar Eclipses
The four lunar eclipses will occur on:
Passover, April 15, 2014
The Feast of Tabernacles, October 8, 2014
Passover, April 4, 2015 and
The Feast of Tabernacles, September 28, 2015
This is most unusual. It is a rare occurrence for four lunar cycles to happen on successive Passover and the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot) observances. It will not happen again for hundreds of years. However, Mark found that a series of four lunar eclipses on these particular holy days did occur in the twentieth century -- not once, but twice! The first set occurred in 1949-1950, the year after Israel became a state! The second set happened in 1967-1968, the year Israel liberated Jerusalem! Such a phenomenon is nigh unto impossible, unless it was set up by Divine design. Mark looked back in history and noticed that the last time this set of four lunar eclipses occurred on Passover and Sukkot was in 1493, the year after Columbus sailed the ocean blue and Spain expelled all Jews.
Mark is convinced that God was telling the beleaguered Jews that He was fully aware of their circumstances! In that case, we wonder what is God telling the Jews in the 1949 and 1967 lunar eclipses? And, as we look at the next seven years, we wonder, “What is God telling Israel through the upcoming lunar eclipses?” Is it possible that these are fulfilling biblical prophecies?
Solar Eclipses
In addition to the four lunar eclipses in 2014-15, Mark also found two solar eclipses. They will occur on:
Adar 29/Nisan 1, March 20, 2015
The Feast of Trumpets, September 13, 2015
These two dates are quite significant because they are special days in the Jewish calendar. For example, it was on Nisan 1, the first anniversary of the Exodus, that Moses raised up the tabernacle for the first time and the glory of God descended. Two weeks later, the Chosen People observed their first Pentecost since the Exodus.
Nisan 1 marks the beginning of the religious festival cycle. Six months later, on Tishri 1, the Jews observe Rosh Hashanah, the Feast of Trumpets. This day is highly prophetic, because it is said to be the anniversary of the Creation of Adam. It is Adam’s birthday. And, even though it is a Jewish observance, it is prophetically significant as a day for Gentile nations.
It is the day when God will sit down upon His throne of Judgment and take the books in his hand. That is when He will begin the judgment of the world. So, a solar eclipse on Rosh Hashanah could precede the Second Coming of Christ in power and great glory, and fulfill the biblical description.
The Solar Eclipse This Year
Coming up this summer, there will be the first of three solar eclipses on the day that introduces the first of Av (August 1, 2008). That’s right, all three solar eclipses will be on the biblical date of Av 1, for the next three years -- 2008, 2009, and 2010. Our Gregorian calendar dates are:
Av 1 - August 1, 2008 - partial eclipse
Av 1 - July 22, 2009 - partial eclipse
Av 1 - July 11, 2010 - partial eclipse
In the Jewish calendar, they are all on the first of Av, the day when Jews lament the destruction of their temples. As the story goes, Moses caught the people worshiping the Golden Calf on Tammuz 17. Therefore, the three weeks from Tammuz 17 to Av 9 are called “the dark time” and “between the straits.” It is the most sorrowful time of the year for Jews. From Av 1-9, no bathing is allowed; no comforts; no clean clothes; the Jew takes his shoes off; sits on an overturned chair and reads the book of Lamentations.
However, there will come a time when God will reverse the fast days and turn them into feast days. Zechariah said:
“Thus saith the LORD of hosts; The fast of the fourth month [Tammuz 17], and the fast of the fifth [Av 9], and the fast of the seventh, and the fast of the tenth, shall be to the house of Judah joy and gladness, and cheerful feasts; therefore love the truth and peace” (Zech. 8:19).
Mark Biltz seems to think that the solar eclipses on Av 1, could change the course of history, because solar eclipses are designed for Gentile nations, whereas lunar eclipses are designed for Israel. Therefore, he thinks that God could begin judging the nations this summer. Will there be a war in Israel this summer? It is entirely possible. If so, then the solar eclipse could be announcing judgment upon the world -- a sobering thought!
Bible Predictions
About the Sun and Moon
Now, let’s look at the places in the Bible that speak of the sun being darkened and the moon not giving her light. First of all, Isaiah wrote:
“Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger … the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
“And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible” (Isa. 13:9-11).
We are told that this will occur in the “day of the LORD.” It is the time when God will punish the Gentile nations for their wickedness. We are not talking about ordinary everyday living, but gross wickedness against God and His Chosen People. God calls them arrogant, proud and haughty. He says that they are terrible, evil and wicked. It seems to me that he is referring to the nations that are trying to destroy Israel. Again, Isaiah said:
“Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously” (Isa. 24:23).
Since neither the sun or moon has a conscience, the references to being confounded or ashamed seem to be metaphoric of the condition of man on earth. The darkening of the sun and moon, therefore, are signs of man’s condition. These conditions will prevail at the time of the Lord’s return to judge the wicked and establish His kingdom. Isaiah was the first prophet to write about solar and lunar eclipses, but Joel’s passages are the most widely quoted. Joel wrote:
“The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:
“And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?” (Joel 2:10,11).
Again, Joel said:
“And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
“The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come” (Joel 2:30,31).
Finally, Joel said:
“Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
“The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining” (Joel 3:14,15).
Isaiah and Joel are the only Old Testament prophets that mentioned solar and lunar apparitions in the day of the LORD. In each case, however, it is apparent that they are referring to events that precede the messianic kingdom. Joel adds earthquakes, blood, fire and pillars of smoke. I think he is describing the battles that attend the Tribulation Period, especially the final Battle of Armageddon.
Passages From the New Testament
In the New Testament Gospel of Matthew, Jesus said:
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
“And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory” (Matt. 24:29,30).
In His Olivet discourse, Jesus described His glorious appearing at the close of the Tribulation Period. My guess (and its only a guess) is that the darkening of the sun and moon could be eclipses. Stars falling from heaven could be missiles used in the war. Powers of the heavens being shaken could refer to many nuclear explosions around the world, disrupting the atmosphere. The “sign” of the Son of Man, could be His actual appearance in “the clouds of heaven.” The clouds may be an ancient description of celestial vehicles, rather than simple clouds. The only clouds that prompt fear today is the kind with a twister coming out of them. Therefore, I think the term “clouds” is used to describe something that flies in the sky.
The Gospel of Mark repeats the Savior’s statement:
“But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light” (Mark 13:24).
Luke also records the occasion:
“And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
“Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
“And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory” (Luke 21:25-27).
On the day of Pentecost, Peter quoted Joel’s prophecy:
“The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:
“And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved” (Acts 2:20,21).
In the book of Revelation, John enlarged upon the prophecy:
“And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
“And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind” (Rev. 6:12,13).
“And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise” (Rev. 8:12,).
The idea that a third of the sun is smitten may be a reference to a partial eclipse, similar to the one that will occur on Rosh Hashanah in the Jewish year 5775 -- September 13, 2015.
These are the biblical passages that deal with the subject. We cannot tell you that the solar and lunar eclipses that will occur in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2014, and 2015 are the fulfillments of Biblical prophecy, but they are fascinating enough to issue, not a warning, but a watch. As we have said for years at the close of each of our telecasts, “Keep looking up!
This is most unusual. It is a rare occurrence for four lunar cycles to happen on successive Passover and the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot) observances
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yeh....once me and my girl were talking in bed and neether of us were telling the trooth, we were both just lying there...talking bout relgion, and i ask her if she know what sukkit meens?....an fo sum reeson, she slop me in the face???
dis blaaahhhhgh relly starring to regenerate itslef now...solp beeter beem back donw.....and add sum order to theis blaaag...
even to dis day, i stil dunno why she slop me?
al i ask was if she was relgious and if`she wanna cum and participate n sukkit?
i tawt dat dis wah a moonage relegashun blaaahg?
i no...i no slop...i rember wha yo sayed...yo sayed to us "yo better haf yo fun now, coss soon yo will be running into 2 peepls dressed in 'black sackcloth'....then yo in BIG trouble...ppls dressed like that wehn days gong to somenones funrails....
neodemes said...
What ever happened to the guy that deletes SOPS crappola?
I would be glad to send him a check if he would get back to work !!!!!
Gashler, I really have no interest in various explanations of the tenets of your faith. This isn't a religious argument, it's a matter of truth and your continued promotion of a known fraudulent scheme.
YOU WERE INTERESTED IN THE THE STATEMENT OF THE CHURCH & YOU EVEN GAVE YOUR OWN SLANTED INTERPRETATION WHAT THE STATEMENT MIGHT MEAN. THE ONLY TRUTH IS THAT JUDGE ALSUP CALLED THE DOREAN PROCESS A SCAM.
Surely the church hierarchy has some way of punishing the unfaithful. Everyone sins but only the repentant are still considered faithful, right?
WELL I GUESS YOUR IGNORANCE IS SHOWING AGAIN, SIMPLY BECAUSE DISFELLOWSHIP OR EXCOMMUNICATION OR WHATEVER SANCTIONS THE CHURCH DOES IS NOT PUNISHMENT. IT IS A SANCTION DONE OUT OF LOVE TO HELP THE PERSON REPENT. YES, ONLY THE REPENTANT ARE CONSIDERED FAITHFUL.
So there are only a few possibilities, one of which is you've admitted to your promotion of an participation in a fraudulent scheme that harmed other members and thus sought and got forgiveness. That's possible, but your continued support and defense of the scam and the convicted perpetrators would make that yet another lie.
THE LIE IS THAT THE DEFENDANTS WERE CONVICTED WRONGFULLY. WHO HAVE I HARMED? WHERE ARE MY ACCUSORS?
A more likely scenario is you've concealed your involvement and promotion of the scam from the church, and if you're asked by your leadership (I believe that is a bishop in your church) if you have any sins to repent of, you've lied again and said 'no'.
ONE CLIENT THAT JOINED ASKED HER BISHOP IF SHE SHOULD PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS. HE WAS SUPPORTIVE & ENCOURAGED HER TO DO SO. IS THAT OPEN ENOUGH FOR YOU? IS PARTICIPATION IN THE DOREAN PROCESS NOW A SIN? I'M SURE THERE ARE SINS I NEED TO REPENT OF, BUT THAT IS NOT ONE OF THEM.
Another possibility is you no longer are involved in the church because of one or the other of the above, but you like to keep others of the faith you recruited believing in the scheme so you use your position in the church for your own purposes.
ANOTHER POSSIBILITY IS THAT YOU ARE GUESSING AS THIS SEEMS TO BE YOUR BEST TALENT. HONESTLY I DON'T CARE WHAT OTHERS BELIEVE.
Then there's the most plausible: You're just too stupid to know when to quit.
I KNOW WHEN TO QUIT. WHEN IT'S A LOSING BATTLE, & YOU ACCOMPLISH NOTHING & CAN NEVER WIN, YOU QUIT.
IF YOU THINK I'M STUPID, THAT IS OF NO CONSEQUENCE TO ME. YOU'RE ENTITLED TO YOUR POINT OF VIEW.
Nemo: The only heresy is that you are misconstruing what Jesus said & meant. I give you the same answer Jesus gave: "Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God." For in the resurrection they neither marry or are given in marriage, but those that are ALREADY GIVEN IN MARRIAGE, under his authority & under his power & his way, & who God has already sanctioned here on earth, GOD HONORS & honors that union forever, as long as they are faithful. TRUE, ALL TRUE. Marriage is an earthly ordinance, IT MUST BE DONE ON EARTH, BECAUSE IT ISN'T DONE IN HEAVEN. Those that have married on earth, or had the work done for them in the temples of the Lord, God still honors, because "what is bound on earth is BOUND IN HEAVEN". Unless Nemo, you don't believe in that scripture, which is it?
What God joines together, LET NO MAN DIVIDE OR SET ASIDE, INCLUDING THE NEMO'S OF THIS WORLD WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND GOD'S AUTHORITY & POWER & HIS PRIESTHOOD. If a marriage is done BY GOD'S POWER & AUTHORITY, IT IS HONORED FOREVER. YES, IF YOU AREN'T MARRIED, YOU ARE AS THE ANGELS OF HEAVENS, & NOT AS THE GOD'S-- WHO HAVE AN INCREASE, A SPIRITUAL INCREASE OF POSTERITY FOREVER & EVER. Obviously you didn't read all of those scriptures I posted on marriage EARLIER to show your one scripture & interpretation of it, holds no water. Heresy? The only heresy, comes out of your mouth, Nemo. Course maybe you don't believe marriage is a good thing? Maybe you believe God annuls good things???? Of course you do, simply by your stand!!!! If you had the Holy Ghost Nemo, you would understand the scriptures in the way they were intended to be understood, but since you don't, obviously you "wrest the scriptures to your own destruction."
Matthew 22:
25Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother:
26Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh.
27And last of all the woman died also.
28Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
29Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
As usual, moogs, you are dead wrong, and yet, try so hard to make yourself sound right.
So, smartguy, whose wife will she be?
As for your numerous scriptures, I didn't bother to look them up, as past experience tells me they are but rabbit trails leading to support of your delusions.
I had missed your comment about Jesus being a hypocrite...you are not only heretical, but blasphemous, as well.
It must suck to be you.
Gosh, do you think that Jesus thought it might be hard on a woman to be married to someone who was due to be crucified?
I did check out Mark 10...which shoots you in the other foot.
How does polygamy reconcile with A man and A woman cleaving and becoming ONE flesh?
You and your lost cult are, sadly, full of delusion and crap.
"yo better haf yo fun now, coss soon yo will be running into 2 peepls dressed in 'black sackcloth'.
dressing in black sackcloth.....dems soun like the 2 winces to me....if yo still her, when day apper, yo will be "wincing" BIF TIME!!!
meens that yo didn get assended up so yo gonna be here fo the tubulation and worship in the fake millenal kingdom....not good...not good at all....
it gonna be like... "say hello to ac fo me, will ya" give yo my reegrads....
demo, i dun thik that sloop would have agreed with a lot of mongrels theology...BUT....we cant judge anyone....
“Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God” (1 Corinthians 4:5 KJV; also see 1 Corinthians 4:6 KJV).
..we judge no wine, before its time...
by the
FAMOUS LITTLE OLE WINMAKER ME...
broth to yo by...
ERNESTO and CRAZY JOE GALLO
WINEMAKERS
and john 14:15
"...have the Spirit of Truth, which the world.."
SoT = HS
one of slops fav versus.
Therefore judge nothing before the time, wait till the wine is ripe.
rember...slop kwoted:
"nothing covered, that shall not be uncovered"
"nothing done/said in secret that shall not be shouted from the rooftops..."
even now juggins is climbing to his coathouse rooftips to yell what yo doin...
"nothing said/done in secret"
like sloop siad, this vs. is very pooperful...
coss it meens taht all those secret meatings of lou minotti an his crooners is gong to be exposted.
all of em.
freakmasons
bill d. buggers
cuncil of famished relations
try lateral comision
skill & beans
etk, ets, exc.....
they all gonna be naked....ugggghhhhh!!!
guss juggins will like that in the end.
"....a form a godliness, yet they deny its POWER.."
the POWER of THE HS
cannot be slopped..i mean stopped.
POWER...like when yo step on the accel of a candy apple red FERRARI F-40 or a 550 hp six speed getrag tranny 'vette
like i gonnna get wehn belly brawls HUIPs pay out. ;-)
550 hp six speed getrag tranny 'vette
wehn i was a kid, i actally no somenone who had none...only 350 hp in dose days...wehn he came around evernone yoose to say to him..."come on! lite 'em up!"
2 Timothy 3
1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
10But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
juggins...yo got yoself an extenson fo when day dat yo gonna despair into a black ho...yo now got 31+ days b4 they turn on "the juice" of the large scale collusion macheen in CERN swaziland....so injoy yo last times befo the end...
Knocking on the LHC’s door
On 24 May, a proton beam knocked on the door of the LHC. This is only the second time since 2004 that the beam has crossed from the SPS into the TI8 transfer line.
Thanks to a huge collaborative effort the final commissioning of the transfer line TI8 has been successful. There was both excitement and relief as, after some unforeseen delays, the beam burst onto the monitors in the Control Room on Saturday 24th May. Although the beam is less intense (at around 5 thousand million protons per bunch) than will eventually be used in the LHC, this test represents an important milestone in the run-up to the switch-on of the accelerator.
The TI8 transfer line runs from the SPS towards the LHC, where it intersects just before point 8. The beam was extracted from the SPS, sent down the 2.8km transfer line and stopped just 15m or so from the LHC tunnel. This is done with a TED or ‘beam stopper’ that is physically placed in the path of the beam line to prevent the beam from taking the last step into the LHC.
Paul Collier, Head of the Operations Group, was satisfied with how the day went, and explains the delays: "Everything went to plan in the sense that we are more or less on time for our programme. We had some significant difficulties. For example, some of the elements that are there for safety were in a position where they were locked and they had to be released before we could withdraw them in order to send the beam."
The injection of the beam from the SPS to the transfer line requires extreme precision at very high speeds. The beam is travelling at essentially the speed of light and so the passage from one accelerator ring to the other has to be done in a matter of microseconds. In this case the deflection out of the SPS is principally achieved using ‘kicker’ magnets. "These are magnets where we can go from zero to maximum field very very quickly and in the case of the kickers in the SPS we are talking about a rise time of about 1 microsecond. As the beam is circulating in the SPS at a certain point you fire this kicker to make it go to the maximum field. When the beam passes it will see this field and it will be deviated out of the ring of the SPS and into the transfer line," says Paul Collier.
What comes next for the commissioning team? First, the second transfer line, TI2, will go through the same process in a couple of weeks’ time before the injector complex and the transfer lines are ready. After that is completed all the next steps are in the LHC. "At this point we have to continue the present activity of hardware commissioning in the sectors, but most importantly we have to finish the cool-down of the last two sectors," explains Paul.
Soon then, we hope, the LHC can open the door to its eagerly awaited guest.
btw, con gradis to rafeel nataly and jupiter williams fo winning da pimpleton tinnis turn a mint....
dat was sum sirius good tinnis playing there..speshally the 5 hour marthon today...an im glad that venus won too...i like her better than not serene....she is a mo grayseeus winner...sir ina is kina a little cocky b**ch sometimes...but venus is likeable...but fo all yo preverts out there, not serene def has the better "racks"....
As usual, moogs, you are dead wrong, and yet, try so hard to make yourself sound right.
So, smartguy, whose wife will she be?
JESUS ANSWERED THE QUESTION, WEREN'T YOU LISTENING?
As for your numerous scriptures, I didn't bother to look them up, as past experience tells me they are but rabbit trails leading to support of your delusions.
OF COURSE YOU WOULDN'T, SHOWS HOW CLOSED MINDED YOU REALLY ARE.
I had missed your comment about Jesus being a hypocrite...you are not only heretical, but blasphemous, as well.
IT WAS IN 'IF' STATEMENT, OBVIOUSLY YOU MISSED THAT ALSO.
It must suck to be you.
Gosh, do you think that Jesus thought it might be hard on a woman to be married to someone who was due to be crucified?
YES, IT WAS HARD ON MARY, THE MOTHER OF JESUS TOO. WHAT'S YOUR POINT.
I did check out Mark 10...which shoots you in the other foot.
PRAYTELL WHY?
How does polygamy reconcile with A man and A woman cleaving and becoming ONE flesh?
ONE FLESH MEANS ONE UNIT, OR THE SAME CONCEPT AS THE INTERCESSORY PRAYER WHERE JESUS PRAYED THAT WE ALL BE ONE ALSO. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT OLD TESTAMENT PROPHETS WERE LIVING IN SIN WHO OBVIOUSLY PRACTICED POLYGAMY. THAT'S UNDENIABLE.
You and your lost cult are, sadly, full of delusion and crap.
NOT NICE TO CALL NAMES.
3:11 PM
Nemo said: "How does polygamy reconcile with A man and A woman cleaving and becoming ONE flesh?"
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How does monogomy reconcile with A man and A woman becoming ONE flesh?
Best case scenario you still have two people. Two STILL isn't one, but then again, you get the Godhood confused too. You still think that 3 persons is one person also, so it's just par for the course for you.
What was your point again? Don't get too confused when metaphors are used. You need to expand your mind a bit to find the hidden meaning. Not all print in the Bible is to be taken literally, but is to be understood by the original meaning that is intended.
moogie clamors:
"JESUS ANSWERED THE QUESTION, WEREN'T YOU LISTENING?"
I guess I missed something you didn't.
Wait, no, that's not it. Your waffling, as usual.
WHOSE WIFE WILL SHE BE???????????
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an dat all yo gonna get from the govt.
full fake and some crellers...mite ass well get some cawfee too!
LOLOLOLLLLLOOLOLOLLOOOO!!!!
an almose foget:
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rite! afta all the a turn me fees....wha left fo the claimants! sh*t!
Nemo still is confused: WHOSE WIFE WILL SHE BE???????????
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Jesus said: "Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures nor the POWER OF GOD.
The husband that was married to her by THE POWER OF GOD and under HIS (God's) authority, will have the wife. I would say it was the first husband. The rest of the husbands (PROBABLY THE BROTHERS OF THE MAN THAT DIED) were only married to the wife for time only, not for all eternity. (ANOTHER MORMON CONCEPT). It was the custom of that day, when a man died, that the brother of the deceased, marry the woman TO RAISE UP SEED FOR THE FIRST BROTHER THAT DIED. The religious leader that asked the question, who by the way, didn't even believe in the resurrection, being of a sect that didn't believe in a life hereafter, would have understood that custom, but the hypocrisy of that religious leader to even ask the question was interesting since he didn't even believe in the life hereafter. The question was moot by the religious leaders own beliefs.
Man's contracts vanish & have no force after death, a contract OR COVENANT with God is eternal & LASTS BEYOND THE GRAVE, despite how you choose to wrest the scriptures to your own destruction & ignorance.
I think the religious leader that asked the question probably thought he was asking Jesus a loaded or trick question he couldn't answer. But then again, you think you are doing the same thing to me, huh? I don't waffle.
To say that marriage covenant or contract dies after death & that two people won't be together, is also like saying love dies after death too.
slop had sayed:
true belivers = bride of christ
whiles the non blivers down hay, the rest is raptooned up for the wedding ceremony...the "chruch" the bride of christ, the weeding is "up there"...then christ come back down hay with the "bride" = all them nawlins peepls, the saints
then start the real millinum kingdom. the aints will judge evil on the stop. not like juggins does....
like slop sayed, if there is not raptunes, and yo dont listen the raptune, then ho yo gonna x cape the marc o the baste?
it say everynone big and small goona take to by and sail.
so yo gonna be exemp from the make of the baste?
the wedding ceremony...
it last 7 years "up there"
everyone makin merry up there at the weeding cermony while everynone "down here" gone troo hell an geetin slawterd....curtsy of the AC
see, as we get closer to the AC, like slop said, the "non raptune" theory must/will fall apart....as yo cannot stand aginst the ac...
the remnant cannot possibly be protected while donw here on erth....just like the OT....we not in the ot anymo, but slop did use it for analogy...god tole the izreelits to "go to babylon" and i will protec yo there...yet sum were stubby, and woodnt go. they refuse to leeve joosalim...they thawt tat god wood protect them there, when he said that he wood NOT..they died in joosalim...stoopid bastes....in this case the reverse...god say to "go up" as i "WILL NOT" protect you down here...the erth is totally givne over to the ac. and everynone in it.
if yo still want to no about this, an yo trusted slop, the like sloop sayed when he was here...go get the best book slip ever read on the subject.
go on ebay, it out of pint now:
"THINGS TO COME"
by
JOHN WALVOORD (deceased)
PRES., DALLAS THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY
and heres the poof:
befo the ac come on the seen, they will apper the 2 winces...now ho more holyer than the 2 winces?????????
come on now???????
now IF god gonna let the AC KILL the 2 winces, HO GOD SENT DOWN P-E-R-S-O-N-A-L-L-Y, HO MAKE YO THIK HE GONNA LET YO SURVIVE????
R YO KIDDIN ME? O WHA?????
the 2 winces be kill in the street and everynone have a BIG PARTY over it, when they get kill....yo think god not gonna udderlee destroy this deslit plant or wha?????
thik he gonna "let it go"????? YO CRAZY!!!
if yo is here,yo is HISTORY curtsy the AC...so like they say in NY...fuggehdaboutit!!!
bwetter to lissen to raptunes an be otta hay!!!
THE 2 WINCES = THE EPITOME OF HOLINESS
DRESS IN "BLACK SACKLOTH"
like the robs juggins wares, only these 2 are REAL judges...honest. not like juggins...they cannot be corrupted, and that why the world hates them at that time....yo dun have enfu money to brib them.
siriusly, fo those who dun bleeve in the raptunes...then reconcile this in you mine...try to think/meditate on it...ho r yo gonna sruvive IF god lets NO LESS THAN the 2 witnesses THEMSELFS TO BE KILLED??????????????????????
THINK ABOUT IT???????????
......and dats why only jimmy noone nose the NT better than SOP did...BAR NONE!
anther thins to rember....the 2 witneses will be preahcing the coming gospel of the (millinal) kingdom fo 3 1/2 YEARS!!!
now, fo 3 1/2 years, these 2 winces are virtually INDESTRUCTIBLE. GOD had given them the POWER to kill by death.....it like....
"hey juggins....we are the 2 winces...yo mess with us, and we will make yo despair in heartbeat...so #$%& off!!"
more proof of the raptune....if the only way that these 2 winces can survive the 3 1/2 years is by god making them indestuckable, then ho yo gonna survive...w/o those powers, you will be dead in days or minutes, as the world wood have retuend to the old days when christians again walked around witha bullseye on they backs.
more proof of the raptune..
mo poof? dat y everynone playin raptoon music no a days?
Dr. SOP says: "the 2 witneses will be preahcing the coming gospel of the (millinal) kingdom fo 3 1/2 YEARS!!!"
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Where is the scripture indicating 3.5 years????
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"are being sued" chage to "have been suede" sussfuly
mongs...this suit is already fitted...it jus a matter of puttin it on....gettin the doe.....
chek out Rev 11
"...and i will give POWER to MY 2 witnesses, and they will propesy (the GoK) for one thou two hund and sixty days...in black sackcloths"
"AND if jimmy NOONE try to ham them...."
THEY DED MEN!
on the slop!
here dat juggins??
GO READ IT AND WEEP!
Genesis 1:26
Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have DOMINION (OVER THE EARTH)....
TELL ME, WHEN DID G-D EVER CHANGE HIS MIND ABOUT MAN HAVING DOMINION OVER THE EARTH REALM?
Matthew 6:10
Your kingdom COME. Your will be done On EARTH as it is in heaven.
WE WERE TAUGHT TO PRAY THIS
Matthew 5:5
Blessed are the meek, For they shall inherit the EARTH (NOT HEAVEN)
THEREFORE...RAPTURE=RIPPED OFF
ITS THE SAME RAPTURE/EVACUATION DECEPTION THAT ENCOURAGES US TO MENTALLY GIVE UP ON CASES LIKE TDG AND OTHERS LIKE IT WHILE MEN WHO DONT HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT BUT WHO OPERATE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF THE ANTI-CHRIST SPIRIT ARE TAKING DOMINION OVER THE EARTH REALM USING FRAUD. THE DEVIL LOVES IT. THATS WHAT THE ANTI-CHRIST SPIRIT IS...FRAUD!
THATS WHY THIS ANTI-CHRIST SPIRIT HAS DECEIVED MOST OF YOU BY TELLING YOU THAT UNCOVERING BANK FRAUD ISNT A RIGHTEOUS CAUSE....EVEN THOUGH I (AND OTHERS) HAVE POSTED MANY SCRIPTURES THAT SAYS IT IS. ITS EASY FOR YOU TO GRASP THAT MURDER AND ADULTRY IS SIN BUT WHERE THE DEVIL HAS PULLED ONE OVER YOUR EYES IS WHAT MADE HIM NOTORIOUS AT THE START...."THE LOVE OF MONEY (GREED)". AND SO YOU BUY INTO THIS WORLDLY SYSTEM AND YOU LET WORLDLY PEOPLE DEFINE WHAT IS GOOD AND WHAT IS EVIL.
I REFUSE TO LET A CARNAL, WORLDLY MAN TELL ME WHAT IS RIGHT AND WRONG...HE IS INFLUENCED BY THE SPIRIT OF FRAUD (ANTI-CHRIST)....THIS SPIRIT IS VERY SUBTLE, HE'S NOT BLATANT...AND HE USES SUBTLE TOOLS, LIKE CONTRACTS THAT ARE DESIGNED TO HIDE TRUTH AND STEAL.
so then go tell all the "no rap" ppls dat yo eether gong up or yo gong down (into the ground) but one the other, yo gong someplace
rther it be up↑↑↑
bcoss yo cannot survive here as a christian when the ac appers.
if the 2 winces cant make it, neether will yo.
THATS WHY THIS ANTI-CHRIST SPIRIT HAS DECEIVED MOST OF YOU BY TELLING YOU THAT UNCOVERING BANK FRAUD ISNT A RIGHTEOUS CAUSE..
i dunno bout aothers, but i bleeve in raptoons and unclothing bank frawd?
hab,
why yo gettin all in tatters??
yo b the first to say that god gives us all feewill??
so any can stay if they like....but just the same, they will be kill by the ac
but, they can stay with juggins if they like...noone forcignt them to go up.
Matthew 16:19
And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
YASHUA HAS GIVEN YOU THE KEYS
(IF YOU ARE HIS)....TO TAKE DOMINION OVER YOUR EARTH...OR INDIVIDUALLY YOUR PLACE OF INFLUENCE.
PRAYER: I BIND THE SPIRIT OF INJUSTICE AND FRAUD IN THIS DOREAN CASE...AND I LOOSE THE SPIRIT OF JUSTICE AND EQUITY AND RESTITUTION!
i dunno bout aothers, but i bleeve in raptoons and unclothing bank frawd?
I GOT BAD NEWS FOR YOU....THE 2 CONCEPTS ARE NOT COMPATIBLE. GO BACK AND READ YOUR BIBLE...BUT THIS TIME DONT READ WITHOUT THE TEACHER BEING PRESENT TO CORRECT YOUR ERROR.
AND if jimmy NOONE try to ham them...."
"...fur will come out they mouths...and they will be suffucted..."
suffucted = like when somenone put a bag over yo haid, yo cant breath.
THEY DED MEN!
YASHUA HAS GIVEN YOU THE KEYS
(IF YOU ARE HIS)....TO TAKE DOMINION OVER YOUR EARTH...
sorry hab....chritians are never gettin domain over this erth until christ comes back. sorry, it jus aint hapnin'...
dr. ira gilac said...
sorry hab....chritians are never gettin domain over this erth until christ comes back. sorry, it jus aint hapnin'...
I JUST GAVE YOU SOME PRETTY CONVINCING SCRIPTURES (AND THERE A WHOLE LOT MORE WHERE THAT CAME FROM)
THE FIRST ADAM WAS GIVEN THE MANDATE TO TAKE DOMINION..HE BLEW IT...BUT THE LAST ADAM GOT IT BACK...BY THE WAY, YASHUA WAS G-D BUT ALSO MAN.
so then go tell all the "no rap" ppls dat yo eether gong up or yo gong down (into the ground) but one the other, yo gong someplace
THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS THAT YOU STAY HERE ON THIS EARTH BEING THAT YOU WEREN'T WICKED ENOUGH TO BE DESTROYED BY FIRE AT CHRIST'S COMING & YOU WEREN'T RIGHTEOUS ENOUGH TO MEET HIM UP IN THE CLOUDS TO BE RESSURECTED AT THAT TIME. JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE RESURRECTED, DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU IMMEDIATELY GO TO HEAVEN NEVER TO COME BACK TO THIS EARTH. THERE WILL BE RESURRECTED IMMORTAL BEINGS ON THIS EARTH DURING THE 1000 YEARS OF PEACE & THERE WILL BE MORTAL BEINGS ON THIS EARTH DURING THE 1000 YEARS ALSO WHO HAVEN'T YET DIED.
I STILL DON'T BUY THAT EITHER/OR THING EITHER. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT DURING THE MILLENIUM, 1000 YEARS OF PEACE THAT WHEN YOU DIE DURING THAT TIME PERIOD, YOU ARE CHANGED FROM DEATH TO IMMORTALITY IN THE TWINKLING OF AN EYE. IT'S INSTANTANEOUS, SO THERE WILL BE NO MORTICIANS & YOU WON'T BE PUT IN THE GROUND WHEN YOU DIE DURING THIS 1000 YEAR PERIOD OF TIME. COURSE DURING THE 1000 YEARS OR PEACE ON THE EARTH, THAT IS NOT THE RAPTURE, & COULDN'T BE SINCE YOU ASSUME & SAY THE RAPTURE TOOK PLACE AT CHRIST'S COMING, PRIOR TO THE 1000 YEAR REIGN ON EARTH.
rther it be up↑↑↑
bcoss yo cannot survive here as a christian when the ac appers.
NOT TRUE. MANY MORTALS WILL SURVIVE, AS PEOPLE HAVE SURVIVED THROUGH ALL TRIBULATIONS & ALL TIMES.
if the 2 winces cant make it, neether will yo.
FALLACIOUS ASSUMPTION SINCE THE 2 WITNESSES FATE & MISSION WAS TO BE A WITNESS AGAINST THE PEOPLE LIKE THE CALLING OF MANY PROPHETS, THEIR CALLING IS TO DIE FOR THE CAUSE. DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IS YOUR FATE & MISSION AS A CHRISTIAN.
THE RAPTURE IDEA IS TO THINK THAT JESUS IS GOING TO FIGHT ALL OF YOUR BATTLES & ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS WATCH YOUR HERO SAVE YOU FROM ALL PROBLEMS & DO ALL THE WORK FOR YOU. THAT IS NOT REAL LIFE, NOR IS IT HIS PLAN OF SALVATION TO DO EVERYTHING FOR THE INDIVIDUAL.
dr. ira gilac said...
sorry hab....chritians are never gettin domain over this erth until christ comes back. sorry, it jus aint hapnin'...
I GOT MORE NEWS FOR YOU, HE AINT COMIN BACK TO OFFICIALLY RECEIVE HIS KINGDOM (EXPANDED TO THE EARTH) UNTIL HIS ARMY HAS DONE THEIR JOB AND EXPELLED THE OTHER KINGDOM THE HELL OUTA HERE.
IN HISTORY, ONCE A KINGS ARMY WOULD CONQUER ANOTHER ARMY, THE KING WOULD THEN RIDE OUT ON HIS CHARIOT OR HORSE AND RECEIVE HIS EXPANDED DOMAIN.
THE RAPTURE THEORY SAYS THIS: ITS GOTTEN TOO BAD DOWN HERE AND THERES NO USE IN ENGAGING THE CULTURE DOWN HERE WITH A HEAVENLY CULTURE SO LETS GET OUTTA HERE. IN THE MEAN TIME THE KING (YASHUA) IS WONDERING WHEN YOU GON START FIGHTIN(SPIRITUAL).
Matthew 16:19
And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
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The Lord has given his servants the power to seal couples to be married for time & eternity too on this earth, where the marriage ceremony sealed on this earth, will also be sealed in heaven. THIS MARRIAGE UNION is BOUND ON EARTH, & will also be HONORED IN HEAVEN TOO.
Course don't tell Nemo that. He expects to be single & lonely in the next life FOR HE IS WITHOUT HOPE & faith because he admits he doesn't believe in eternal love or eternal marriage.
Nemo doesn't even like the Cinderella story where "they lived happily EVER AFTER."
Course then again, if you were married to Nemo, maybe you would want a divorce AT DEATH & LIVE ACCORDING TO MAN'S LAW: "UNTIL DEATH DO YOU PART".
God's law is FOREVER.
sorry hab....chritians are never gettin domain over this erth until christ comes back. sorry, it jus aint hapnin'...
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THAN God lied to Adam.
Hab said: "I GOT MORE NEWS FOR YOU, HE AINT COMIN BACK TO OFFICIALLY RECEIVE HIS KINGDOM (EXPANDED TO THE EARTH) UNTIL HIS ARMY HAS DONE THEIR JOB AND EXPELLED THE OTHER KINGDOM THE HELL OUTA HERE."
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That makes alot of sense to me!!!!
I would say the Holy Ghost confirmed that truth to me too Hab.
That would mean that event wouldn't happen until well after the 1000 years have ended & Satan was loosed again for a season & the time frame WHEN all the armies of heaven literally oust Satan from this earth TO THE KINGDOM WHERE HE BELONGS--- WHICH KINGDOM IS OUTER DARKNESS, PROBABLY SOME BLACK HOLE SOMEWHERE. WHETHER SATAN & HIS ANGELS STILL EXIST AFTER BEING THROWN INTO THE PIT, I GUESS, REMAINS TO BE SEEN OR TOLD OR IS THERE SUCH A THING AS COMPLETE ANNILILEATION? CAN MATTER BE DESTROYED AS TO NOT EXIST ANYMORE? OR IS MATTER (SATANS SPIRIT) JUST CHANGED TO A DIFFERENT STATE? ONLY SATAN KNOWS HIS FATE & THOSE LIKE HIM.
SOP said: sorry hab....chritians are never gettin domain over this erth until christ comes back. sorry, it jus aint hapnin'...
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Course THAN AGAIN, SOP, forgot about the City of Enoch, that got dominion over the earth & fought the spiritual fight so well & so much that God took the City & all the righteous people to heaven & literally translated the City & all the people therein to his bosom, so to speak off the earth.
The City of Enoch will be coming back to this earth. The earth's destiny is to become a celestial kingom & a Heaven: "the meek shall inherit the earth."
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Kind of a shame that a cash settlement isn't guaranteed. This settlement is probably a victory for the financial institutions if you really think about it. Screw the people & get away with it only having to give a little thing back.
like slop yooze to say...it relly too late to debit this stuff now....go wit wha yo bleeve....yo will get corrected as yo go along....
but yo dun need to be a layer to apprecate this stuff eether...
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Maybe a slight victory for TransUnion patrons. 75 million is still something.
Terms of the Settlement
2.1 Settlement Fund
(a) Creation and Deposit of Settlement Fund. Trans Union shall pay the total
sum of $75,000,000.00 (seventyfive
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Account. On the first business day following the Court’s entry of the order granting Preliminary
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sorry hab....chritians are never gettin domain over this erth until christ comes back. sorry, it jus aint hapnin'...
IT BOILS DOWN TO THIS...WHATEVER YOU LOST IN THE FIRST ADAM, YOU RECOVER IN THE LAST ADAM. THIS AINT HARD.
WHAT YASHUA DID IS EVEN GREATER THAN WE THOUGHT OR WERE TAUGHT.
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ye,i fit the contions..i lost 10k in a HYPE....i goona call belly bowl about it.
coss lik sinta class, i laff when i sore him, like a BOWL full of BELLY.
belly bowls hyps....
Moogie, you do go on, just adding to scriptures your own conjecture, as you see fit.
Where is my surprised face?
The City of Enoch was translated?
Would you be so kind as to point me to the scripture for that?
Make sure it is the city, though, not the man.
You didn't really call God a liar...did you?
ho many loser IDs do yo haf on thi bog????
The City of Enoch was translated?
relly?
wah languish wah dat?
i nedd to no, coss i jes a dum cuntry bimpkin.
There you go Nemo:
http://www.lookupward.com/
city-enoch-will-return-from-heaven.shtml
Course you should know that already anyway, since aren't you kind of like a preacher minister type who constantly studies the scriptures? How did you miss that? I mean a whole City going to Heaven while on earth?
Course the City of Enoch being translated up to heaven isn't the only example. There was a civilization in the Americas after the resurrection of Christ that also was taken up, who accomplished the same type of utopian society.
Course, Nemo you reject the Book of Mormon as scripture, so you would reject this other example too, however, since you accept the Bible as the word of God, you should have known about the story of Enoch & his City being taken from the earth.
Enoch's City & story is an indication of what a society based in God's teachings can accomplish. It was said in their society, "there were no poor among them."
Nemo said: "You didn't really call God a liar...did you?"
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You didn't really misinterpret AGAIN what I said did you?
God CANNOT lie, for if he did, he would cease to be God & all things that he created would have vanished away, for God sustains all life.
hey juggns...yo took my hous...now i gonna take yo's....
i want yo full name and address and that of the jerk of the coat, AND that of the coat traitorer...coss afta taht, then i gonna take all yo court paperwork mimbo jumbo an i gonna writ on it
"ACCEPTED FO VALYOO"
then i gonna hand it back to yo all and then....
i gonna slap all yo asses with a 1099 ORIGINAL ISSUE DISCOUNT (O.I.D) if YO DONT GIVE MY HOUSE BAK!!
Thanks for trying, moogs, but, I was looking for scripture in God's Word...you know, the Holy Bible.
Enoch is found here, but no story of a translated city, just the man, himself:
1. Genesis 4:17
And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
Genesis 4:16-18 Genesis 4
2. Genesis 4:18
And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.
Genesis 4:17-19 Genesis 4
3. Genesis 5:18
And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:
Genesis 5:17-19 Genesis 5
4. Genesis 5:19
And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
Genesis 5:18-20 Genesis 5
5. Genesis 5:21
And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:
Genesis 5:20-22 Genesis 5
6. Genesis 5:22
And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
Genesis 5:21-23 Genesis 5
7. Genesis 5:23
And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
Genesis 5:22-24 Genesis 5
8. Genesis 5:24
And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
Genesis 5:23-25 Genesis 5
9. Luke 3:37
Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,
Luke 3:36-38 Luke 3
10. Hebrews 11:5
By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Hebrews 11:4-6 Hebrews 11
11. Jude 1:14
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jude 1:13-15 Jude 1
see ing as yoonock and he lie jah never dided, r they gong to cume bak as the 2 winces?????
Identification of Cities to be Attacked in the USA
By Esau
July 9, 2008
Dearly beloveds, this is one of those for the dark side, so take little concern. Short and brief and to the point I will be. To our dark brothers, otherwise known as the BBB&G’s, I remind you your time is dated. While we will no longer play the game of getting the less than honest military to oust you, we can and will tell of the planned attacks in the USA and expose it to the world.
The plan is to strike four cities. One is Denver Colorado, in the area just to the east of downtown. The plan is to attack several small buildings and St. Joseph’s Hospital. Texas City, Texas is another area, around the refineries. Then Chicago, Illinois and this one is the biggy and baddy, the blowing up of the nuclear reactor in the base of the Sears tower. You seem to wish to hit some energy centers. The Sears tower is a big no no, because it is a reactor and will spew huge radioactive material. Do remember that the fleet always intercepts and assists in damage control, when reactors are damaged. There are star fleet guardians continually on patrol within that building and without, and any attempt to set the reactor off, will be met with and any sent for that task will find themselves rather dead of body. You are setting them up for murder by the reactor going off.
The 4th is Kansas City and the plan is around destruction of the Federal Reserve Regional Bank located there, which has apparently a goodly deal of evidence. Now, this is a warning, we have stated we will not interfere with your plans, the American people do need to learn a thing or two, BUT we will protect certain properties and we know where they are and the entire plan. The current timing that you have decided upon, if we are informed correctly and we believe we are, is about 2 weeks from now, with a little give and take, depending on the positioning of your teams.
There is also a plan to “take out” some of ours during this process, and of course any that attempt that will also find themselves no longer on this planet. Ours are very well guarded. Now, this is your last chance at any hope for soul growth, because all those that participate in ANY manner will be removed from the planet and be taken to the void. Every single participant. We are on guard at all known locations.
I highly advise that you take this alert quite seriously and do not carry this out. If you do, you guarantee that the stasis will occur within two weeks, and that during those two weeks prior to stasis, we have another plan. We will show ourselves very openly, and we will not allow any of the taking of the people of the United States into concentration camps. And following the stasis, all of those will be under our hands, and will be used only for housing of survivors if needed, and put to good and honest use.
Your underground areas are already fully under our control, and after stasis, these will be vacant of any inhabitants other than star personnel. We still allow your presence there at this time, because of the quantity of people employed and housed in these areas. These will become shelters also if needed during further earth changes to come. And also for those that are evacuated from the Pacific Rim that are to stay with the earth and have no other housing for a time.
To our readers here on AbundantHope, the stasis process with the eruption of Jupiter, and the sinking of LA is going to cause a lot of weather that is going to damage a great many buildings that are not wind resistant, in addition to those lost during the quakes that will result. There will be plenty of housing available in one way or another to all remaining residents on the planet. Some of it on the surface, using vacant housing that survives, some on military installations, and some in the underground bases. No one will be left without some housing, but understand upon the shock of during the awakening, there will be people “stranded” so to speak, and locals need to help them in the meantime. ‘
Candace: for new readers, we used a term I coined long ago for the dark brotherhood, BBB&G’s. It means Big, Bad, Boys and Girls. It was just BBB’s for a bit, I added Girls, because of Condi Rice and others in the group. I was surprised to see Esu pull up this old term.
There is also a plan to “take out” some of ours during this process, and of course any that attempt that will also find themselves no longer on this planet
LOL!!! juggins, wha plant yo gong to?? yo gonna beem up with scooty, or capt. kike, or mr. spook?
or maybe yo like insin jerkoff, or mr. zooloo?
they gonna take yo to that plant where they got KHAN...rember him?
haff fun!
me, i gong up wiht yoman janice and noose chapel...then we gong to that plant with dose 3 hot chix... losira...the most bootiful chic i ever seen. we gonna have fun...while yo be with khan an he gonna tawcher yo from behind.
The 4th is Kansas City and the plan is around destruction of the Federal Reserve Regional Bank located there
btw jugs, ho yo wanna blo up yo own feudal reverse bank?
yo wanna get rif of evidents??
i gut my mornage with that bank.
Nemo: Gen 9:21 The Joseph Smith translation of this verse is a more accurate interpretation which tells of the City of Enoch's return:
The rainbow is to remind us of a promise first made to Enoch:
21 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant, which I made unto thy father Enoch; that, when men should keep all my commandments, Zion should again come on the earth, the city of Enoch which I have caught up unto myself. (JST Genesis 9:21)
If you think the Bible doesn't contain mistakes, mistranslations, deletions from it's original intent or text, than you really are mislead. My goodness, how many translations or VERSIONS of the Bible exist today? QUITE A FEW WE BOTH ADMIT. They all couldn't be correct or accurate, logic tells you that. THE WORD OF GOD WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE CONFUSING.
how many translations or VERSIONS of the Bible exist today? QUITE A FEW WE BOTH ADMIT. They all couldn't be correct or accurate, logic tells you that. THE WORD OF GOD WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE CONFUSING.
dat y slop alays yooze ta say, dat da only ting that yo can count on is....yo all reddy no dat.....know nedd to tell yo.
Amos 3: 7 "Surely the Lord will do NOTHING SAVE HE REVEALS HIS SECRETS UNTO HIS SERVANTS THE PROPHETS.
Nemo: Where are the prophets today?
At any rate, there must be ADDITIONAL WORDS OF GOD, & ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS, not contained in the Bible alone, and the modern day PROPHETS SPEAK THE WORD OF GOD & TELL US OF GOD'S SECRETS. And by the way, those words & INSTRUCTIONS, WON'T BE IN THE HOLY BIBLE.
Or maybe you think all of God's secrets are contained in the Holy Bible? You believe that, & you are dumber than I originally thought.
Nemo: Or maybe you believe God is bound & limited & can do or say NOTHING MORE THAN WHAT IS CONTAINED IN THE BIBLE? MAYBE YOU WORSHIP A FINITE GOD WHO HAS LIMITS & BOUNDS?
SURELY YOU DON'T BELIEVE ALL OF THE MYSTERIES & MAGESTY & TOTALITY OF GOD is CONTAINED IN THE Kings James Version of the Bible alone, do you?
Should we conclude that all of the lost scripture that even the Bible admits to, not in the King James version of the Bible, WHICH CONTAINS MANY BOOKS-- IS OF NO WORTH, but than again, even the Bible admits it is incomplete than.
Should we conclude that God CANNOT speak again or give further instruction, if the Bible contains all of God's words? Should we conclude that God's work is finished & done because we have a Bible?
Amos 3: 7
no yo torkin' sum sirius chocko chip cockeyes there!!
famish ones!
Changes to the Bible:
http://jesustestimony-bom.com/BIBLEchanges.aspx
Nemo: The book of Revelations says that: "out of the BOOKS shall all men be judged"
What are the other books other than the Bible that God was referring to here? Surely there are other books that contain God's word then!
God's standard is "by the mouth of two witnesses shall every word be established"
What is the witness for the Bible that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God?
The Book of Mormon comes along & claims to be that witness, & you immediately shut it down as a possbility.
Wouldn't God have been consistent in his standard by producing another book to prove that the Bible is God's word by providing another witness or other scripture?
Where did the Bible come except from the Jews? Does God only speak to one people or one civilization & only provide prophets from one lineage?
Of course not!!!!! That would make God a partial God.
Revelations 20: 12
At the Judgement Bar of Christ, the BOOKS are opened , & men are judged by those books ACCORDING TO THEIR DEEDS & WORKS:
http://bible.cc/revelation/
20-12.htm
Isaiah Chapter 29 fortells the coming forth of the Book of Mormon in modern times. Almost all of Isaiah refers to modern times, the times we now live in.
Verse 11 refers to the experience that Joseph Smith had with Professor Anton of his day, & this experience was documented. The professor wanted to translate the golden plates which translation later became known as the Book of Mormon & Joseph Smith refused to give those GOLDEN plates (THE SEALED BOOK) to the Professor to be translated because it was forbidden from the Lord.
Joseph Smith wanted some legitimacy to the work that he was doing so he transcribed some of the ancient characters from the golden plates & took it to Professor Anton on a paper. Mr. Anton WAS a noted & famous expert in the field of ancient writings. The professor indeed said the characters were LEGITIMATE & GENUINE & HE wanted to translate the whole book & asked Joseph to get it for him & the professor gave Joseph this legitimacy of characters in an affidavit prepared by the Professor. When the Professor asked Joseph where he got these golden plates from & Joseph told him he got the record from an angel of God, the professor immediately tore up his affidavit.
Nemo: What & where is this SEALED BOOK that is talked about, if it isn't the Book of Mormon, oh wise one? What is this MARVELOUS WORK & WONDER THAT IS REFERRED TO?
The book that is sealed obviously can't be the Bible.
vs. 17: When did Lebannon turn into a fruitful country? Answer: About the 19th century, the same time when the Book of Mormon came to the world.
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Isaiah Chapt. 29
9 Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink.
10 For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.
Rom 11:8
11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a BOOK THAT IS SEALED, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
Mt 15:8,9 Mark 7:6,7
14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
1 Cor 1:19
15 Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?
16
Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?
Rom 9:20
17 Is it not yet a very little while, and Lebanon shall be turned into a fruitful field, and the fruitful field shall be esteemed as a forest?
18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the WORDS OF THE BOOK, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.
When Joseph Smith refused to give Professor Anton the golden plates,or tell him where they were hidden: Professor Anton's response was:
"I cannot read a sealed book".
Isaiah 29: 11
Nemo: I finally figured out your problem. You feel that God is limited to rapturing one individual at a time like in the case of Enoch.
Rapturing a whole city like the whole city of Enoch, by translating them from this earth in one swoop would be unthinkable, huh? And of course since it doesn't say that in your Bible, OR TO YOUR UNDERSTANDING, than of course it COULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED.
We of course know that Moses was translated too. The pattern suggests that God takes those that are too good for this earth to himself. So why not a whole City, other than your pattern of putting limits on God, like God can't inspire MORE WORDS than he has already spoken according to the Bible.
"Siegelman — an unusually successful Democrat in a heavily Republican state — was charged with accepting and concealing a contribution to his campaign to start a state education lottery, in exchange for appointing a hospital executive to a regulatory board.
WONDER HOW MUCH MONEY JUDGE ALSUP RECEIVED AND/OR WAS PROMISED?
"He was sentenced last year to more than SEVEN YEARS IN PRISON but was RELEASED in March when a federal appeals court ruled Siegelman had raised "substantial questions of fact and law" in his appeal."
THE DOREAN GROUP HAVE SUBSTANTIAL QUESTIONS OF FACT AND LAW IN THEIR APPEAL TOO. I WONDER WHEN THEIR RELEASE DATE WILL BE SET?
"Siegelman and others have alleged the prosecution was pushed by GOP operatives — including Rove, a longtime Texas strategist who was heavily involved in Alabama politics before working at the White House. A former Republican campaign volunteer from Alabama told congressional attorneys last year that she overheard conversations suggesting that Rove pressed Justice officials in Washington to PROSECUTE Siegelman."
WONDER WHO OVERHEARD THAT THE DOREAN GROUP SHOULD BE PROSECUTED DUE TO SPECIAL INTERESTS. COME OUT, COME OUT, WHEREAFTER YOU ARE. HATE TO HAVE TO COME & FIND 'YOU ALL'. I'M FROM TEXAS, I CAN SPEAK THAT WAY. LOL
Moogie wonders:
"What & where is this SEALED BOOK that is talked about, if it isn't the Book of Mormon, oh wise one?"
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“Dianetics”, maybe?
Watchtower magazine?
How about the Qua'ran?
Or, maybe it is the Dorean Presentment Package!
ROFLMAO
Nemo responds: “Dianetics”, maybe?
Watchtower magazine?
How about the Qua'ran?
Or, maybe it is the Dorean Presentment Package!
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Sorry, none of those publications were SEALED IN THE EARTH for a later generation.
Try again!!!!
ROFLMAO
Can't wait until the Dorean appeal is finally heard & decided & the convicted GO FREE.
Notarial Dissent indicated there is no basis whatsoever for an appeal. How about the Jury Instructions by the Judge, as a basis for a legitimate appeal & overturn of convictions?
Kurt said: "The jury instructions were far & away an ABUSE OF the JUDGES DISCRETION in that they were replete with his own personal bias and ECONOMIC IGNORANCE. (1) They did not INSTRUCT according to the statutes charged,
(2) MISCHARACTERIZED like the "lenders" being financial institutions as defined in Title 18 20 being necessary for jurisdiction and conviction, and
(3) silent on the ISSUE OF MONEY which was essential to the accurate deciphering of the factual dispute between the parties."
See Neder v. U.S. 527 US 1, 144 L Ed 235 (12a-12c). 119 S. Ct. 1827
(1999).
Nemo responds: “Dianetics”, maybe?
Watchtower magazine?
How about the Qua'ran?
Or, maybe it is the Dorean Presentment Package!
ye, i rember all dose thins....
i no plenty of dibatics ho take they meds...and when i was a kid, me an my friends alays yooze to clim the watchtowel to see when the sh8ts would cume in...and yo should see dose quas run!!
and the dg preventive package....wah dat? is that fo yo kepp yo teeth kleen?
***BREAKING***
just got this email from slop, he said to check this out...i am serious here...notice that i spelled mostly correctly...check it out....
info below:
I am the Manifester and I have made one of the most startling revelations (scriptural reinforced) since the beginning of my ministry fifty four years ago and even exceeding the mounts of books and writings I have done. I need one hundred persons who will express their interest to be part of the first group of people in the world to be a part of this revelation and receive a written copy .
There will be no cost or money involved! There will be no obligations, no one will be asked to pay or join or commit to believing this revelation. The only requirement will be to make a comment, and to print your e-mail address so we can verify that these “seekers” are real and not duplicates. You will not be pestered on your e-mail by us at any time. You can leave your e-mail at the Manifester mail site if you want it to not be publicly known, but your comment must be at the blog site, and if you want you can leave your e-mail there too. According to the vision, I am not to reveal this revelation until one hundred persons have responded accordingly to this blog.
The number of persons can exceed one hundred but cannot be less than one hundred. I will not share this manifested revelation with any mortal no matter who, until this number has been achieved. Those of you who have been lifetime trusted friends know I don’t play games with holy subjects. I must request my trusted friends that you do not ask me for a pre-insight because I must be true to “the vision”.
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go there and sing up...persoanlly, i think it will be something finacial myself....debt releif, programs like nesara paying out...etc...but do sign up!!
from above:
"In the day of the revealing of this incredible truth your life will be enhanced beyond your imagination.
that statement makes me think that it will be financial of some kind...because, short of christ coming down, there is nothing else that will "enhance your life beyond imagination" as a wad of $$$$$$$$ will enhance it.
consider yoself licky then, to come to this blaaahg...and to know slop
for he is the link ;-)
Moogie stretching to no effect
"He was sentenced last year to more than SEVEN YEARS IN PRISON but was RELEASED in March when a federal appeals court ruled Siegelman had raised "substantial questions of fact and law" in his appeal."
Yes Moogs, he was released on appeal, not acquitted, what is going to happen is that they will retry the case with a different judge and different jury, and from all appearances, he will go back to jail. Just because they were out to get him doesn't preclude him from being guilty of the charges filed. The prosecution may well have been politically motivated, but the facts surrounding the case do not mean he was innocent of the charges, in fact he looks very guilty.
Moogey getting more pathetic
THE DOREAN GROUP HAVE SUBSTANTIAL QUESTIONS OF FACT AND LAW IN THEIR APPEAL TOO. I WONDER WHEN THEIR RELEASE DATE WILL BE SET?
Sure they do, like someone else filed all those bogus documents and took all that money. Not up to your usual line of drivel, but then you must really be running short by now.
Moogie dreaming again
Can't wait until the Dorean appeal is finally heard & decided & the convicted GO FREE.
Not going to happen. At the most, the case would be ordered for retrial, and then all those other nice charges can be brought in. The Judge’s instructions were factual and within reality and the law, unlike the claims and nonsense of dim and dimmer. The charge was MAIL FRAUD, nothing else, that is what they were convicted of and that is what the trial was about. You can only raise issued that were brought up at trial in an appeal. In jail they are, and in jail they will stay.
Rave on Moogs, rave on, you have no credibility, and less sense.
NEMO, I believe you have my stapler.
There is SPECULATION that "Freedie, Fannie Mae, & Lehman
won't be around come Monday."
Check it out:
http://news.yahoo.com/
s/ap/20080711/ap_on_bi_st_ma_re/wall_street
At any rate, when speculators worry about the worse case scenario, that can't be good.
Stock market Dow goes below 11,000
for the first time in 2 years.
There is SPECULATION that "Freedie, Fannie Mae, & Lehman
won't be around come Monday."
Check it out:
ye, the dreds are gong to takeover....
so no ho i gonna pay my mornage to?
jug spleens?
Freddie Mac fell $1.04, or 13 percent, to $6.96, while Fannie Mae tumbled $3.12, or 24 percent, to $10.08 as investors worried about their stability. Both stocks had LOST NEARLY HALF THEIR VALUE at one point on the day.
Those shorting those stocks are making a killing. Course they better get out before there are no longer any more buyers. LOL
Doesn't sound like a government bail out of Fannie or Freedie is likely either.
Instead of a barbecue, we have a slaughter going on. How bad can it get?
Kurt said: "I do have the resources to fix your situation and I will not be holding it back. I must do things in a way that works well under the ENVIRONMENT of an enemy."
Does the financial system ENVIRONMENT have to come close to a collapse first like Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac before the settlement program starts, or was your traveling from place to place, the cause of not starting the announcement of the settlement program?
Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac STOLE ALL OF THESE MORTGAGES IN EFFECT, so what goes around, is coming around now. The thief is being slaughtered.
I never thought it would come this quickly.
Fannie & Freddie's solution is to
borrow their way out of their problems:
http://biz.yahoo.com/
ap/080711/wall_street.html
Yea, that will work. LOL
Makes you wonder who next will get access to the Fed's emergency lending discount window. When & where will this special privilege end?
Ah, just let Fannie & Freddie fail!!!
What's the worst that could happen from that? We go back to 5 year balloon mortgages in the future instead of 30 year mortgages?
and Moogie raved on
Kurt said: "I do have the resources to fix your situation and I will not be holding it back. I must do things in a way that works well under the ENVIRONMENT of an enemy."
Right, all he has to do is get the prison to let him have printer access again so he can print up another bunch of fake documents that you can take straight to the nearest garbage can, or if you try and use them they can take you straight to jail, oh wait, that’s right, his printer and computer access has been revoked for abuse, commission of further fraud, so there goes that promise too, just like all the others that haven't come to pass.
and more Moogie ravings
Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac STOLE ALL OF THESE MORTGAGES IN EFFECT, so what goes around, is coming around now. The thief is being slaughtered.
Sure they did Moogs, just like in all your other fantasies where you pretend you know what you are talking about.
and Moogie some more
Makes you wonder who next will get access to the Fed's emergency lending discount window. When & where will this special privilege end?
Since the Fed, particularly through the discount window, does not make loans of that kind you are again braying like the jackass you are. Now, whether the gov’t bails them out is another matter entirely and remains to be seen.
hey juggins...where yo got yo meney at???
FIRST CAUSALTY:
INDYMAC BANK, CA
LOCKED DOWN UNDER FED PROTECTION
$19 BILLON DEFICIT.
juggins, yo better get stan in ling in yo want to get yo muney out.
$5 bet to juggins...wha the next bank to "fold up"...like keeny rogets say: yo goota no wen to hole, and yo goota no when to flow em'....so what it?
bake of amrica?
citiblank?
???
weel, it cant be boa, coss they a CIA bake, an we all no dat da cia never let on they own blanks fole up....
FIRST CAUSALTY:
INDYMAC BANK, CA
LOCKED DOWN UNDER FED PROTECTION
$19 BILLON DEFICIT.
this is breakking as a speek.
yo gaonna stot ta see a lot mo bank walks....no mo bank runs...coss da banks dont run anymo...they off of busyness....
yep....like kennybunk rogets say....yo goota no wen to fole em....an yo dun need a dinosaurus to no wha dat meen....
Indymac Bank is the 2nd biggest bank failure in U.S. history. Lehman is also in big financial trouble. We've already seen the woes of Countrywide, the biggest mortgage lender & the death of New Century & the demise of Bear Stearns being bought out by Chase Bank. That's all big news, but bigger news is the financial problems of Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac.
Both are too big to have the government NOT step in & save them with some plan that all of us will pay for, however, by the government stepping in, their credit rating is going to be compromised too. Kind of like being between a rock & a hard place for any solution. 5 Trillion or more in debt that those 2 firms have either purchased or guaranteed? That's about half the governments debt, isn't it? I don't even believe we've seen the worst yet of the subprime mortgage crisis & may not see that until sometime in 2009. You'll probably hear in the news that all of this is manageable & that the worse is behind us & things are going to get better soon, but I think we've only seen the tip of the iceburg.
Notarial Dissent said: "Sure they did Moogs, just like in all your other fantasies where you pretend you know what you are talking about."
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You must agree with the protagonist (Michael Douglas) of the movie in "Wall Street" that "GREED IS GOOD" than & it is what makes America great.
Mortgage companies & lenders/banks have taken advantage of people that could least afford to pay the high fees & high interest rates that were charged, not to mention the unethical equity stripping by lenders & this greed has come back to bite all of these institutions in the butt with bad mortgage paper & has hurt the financial industry in general. Kind of a real carma at work here. Taking advantage of people is a form of stealing too, & really taking advantage of your superior negotiating position to manipulate people with low incomes & bad credit through their own fraud & misrepresentation like not even verifying income & even accepting bogus values on appraisals for the sake of JUST MAKING THE LOAN WORK. You say the financial institutions haven't done this?
If they have done this, and even Judge Bean might agree with that, it isn't too much of a leap of faith to believe that they would do even more diabolical things too, like pretending to be the holder in due course of the promissory notes & selling these ill gotten mortgages to the secondary markets of Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac.
i guss that even stroy has piked up on this.....
CRISIS INTERNATIONAL CURRENCY REVIEW IS PUBLISHED
CRIMINAL BASIS OF CALAMITY CANNOT BE EXPUNGED FROM THE RECORD
Saturday 12 July 2008 12:11
make sho that when yo post, dat someho yo mange to get an "11" in they...i see dat yo manged to do this...
I don't even believe we've seen the worst yet of ....
nut buy a lawn shoot....eva hay of 1929 ????
day wun bee enfu briges fo ppls to jum off oof!!
jugguns....i here dat yo had yo $ in dat big mac banke...so, no ho yo get yo muney out?
look like yo gonna haf to wate jus like everynone else fo they moeny.....cept maybe jimmy noone...he the only none who get his money quick....
so no yo haf to wate fo FDICK to get yo money...i bet yo wating hard fo it too....yo get at the front o the line while evernone can get behind yo....i gus yo like it dat way anyway....in da end....
when enemies become friends....
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AMAZING!!! ISNT IT!
and Moogie’s mouth runneth over
You must agree with the protagonist (Michael Douglas) of the movie in "Wall Street" that "GREED IS GOOD" than & it is what makes America great.
Again with the assumptions Moogs, wrong as usual, but at least you are consistently wrong.
I have no particular love for the banking industry, and none whatsoever for the mortgage industry. The ones who violated the law should be punished, but it has to be actual violations of law not figments of some con artists imagination.
Moogie delusional again
....it isn't too much of a leap of faith to believe that they would do even more diabolical things too, like pretending to be the holder in due course of the promissory notes & selling these ill gotten mortgages to the secondary markets of Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac.
In the first place, this is total nonsense. Banks/lenders are not in the habit of selling things they don’t own, for one thing it is illegal and when the actual owner shows up it causes all kinds of complications, which is why they don’t do it, the fact that the mortgage bundling industry got completely out of control is a regulatory foul up. If they have lost track of their property, then they deserve the problems they are having.
There is too much documentation needed to make this kind of fraud a growth industry. In most foreclosures, the foreclosing party has the right, ownership, and documentation to prove their ownership and right. In the ones that don’t the courts are quite capable of dealing with them.
uly 13, 2008 posting ... WEATHER BOMBED AGAIN !!! the entire central USA ... this time with heavy lightning ... cars fried with lightning ... incredible cloud to cloud lightning storms accompanying tornado watches ... things just missing ... swaths of trees down in isolated areas ... a roofer hit by lightning with a hole in his head ... the evening news not reporting it anymore as this is just "normal" ... i have to add that there is no reasonable source of energy for this spring season's severe day after day after day weather ... which makes me think that the mil boys are playing with it again (not seen since katrina and hurricane rita and wilma a few years ago) ... a dormant alaskan volcano just blew its stack 50,000 feet into the air ... more satellite laser manipulation ??? next ... on the home front ... now to mention the bizarre twist to the salmonella tomato poisoning story of the past months ... the FDA knew all along that the tomatoes were coming from Mexico (as i pointed out repeatedly on my show) ... now imagine ... as the FDA sat in front of a congressional hearing asking for more funding to "oversee american agriculture" when the SOBs knew all along that it was coming from mexican farms and they were turning their heads and mixing that with grower's products from 17 other states that were then blamed for the poisoning ... THIS IS CRIMINAL and the entire FDA staff should be arrested and convicted for murder ... mexico "did an internal investigation" ... si senior !!! and they claim ... (as i said ... si senior ... ya you betcha !!!) ... found no salmonella and beseeched the customs to start admitting tomatoes form mexico again ... while tomato farmers across the USA plow their tomato crops into the ground because the prices have fallen below what it would cost to pick and ship their crops ... the FDA response ... now they think it may have been chili peppers ... can you believe the incompetence ... lies ... disgusting politics and lack of responsibility ... need i say more ... now maybe you are starting to understand why i have been harping on being your own source of food and fresh water ... jim mccanney
which makes me think that the mil boys are playing with it again (not
yo sho yo nut talkng abut juggins?
the FDA knew all along that the tomatoes were coming from Mexico (as i pointed out repeatedly on my show
tomtos cummin frum mayheeco?
yo, r choo keeding me?
wha da maffa wit choo?
day sumteeng rawn wit choo mon.
choo beffer gaw bock to mayheeco wha choo beelawns...
day sumteeng rawn wit choo mon.
yo eva here of chooch an ching??
Notarial Dissent quotes me:
"Makes you wonder who next will get access to the Fed's emergency lending discount window. When & where will this special privilege end?"
Notarial answers: "Since the Fed, particularly through the discount window, does not make loans of that kind you are again braying like the jackass you are."
Yet the news today says this:
The Fed said it granted the Federal Reserve Bank of New York authority to lend to the two companies, Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac, "should such lending prove necessary." They would pay 2.25 percent for any borrowed funds -- the same rate given to commercial banks and big Wall Street firms.
The US Treasury Dept. is talking about making an "equity investment" into the companies of Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac which tells us that their problems are more of a solvency problem than just a temporary liquidity problem.
"There's a disconnect with saving Fannie and Freddie and bailing out the shareholders," Ablin said. "If the government steps in and ultimately creates a bailout of these entities, I'd be astounded if equity holders were left with anything. I think the market is realizing that. The bonds are holding in pretty well, and it's just a matter of time before the stock is worth ZERO."
The US Treasury Dept. is talking about making an "equity investment" into the companies of Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac which tells us that their problems are more of a solvency problem than just a temporary liquidity problem.
right! as therres no fee lunck as they say...it only a matta o time befo T-BONDS/BILLS/NOTS are wurtless.....
garanteed by full fate an cretit of the us govt....LOL!!!
as if the "money" doesnt cum frum anywhere....wha a load....so if dat teh case, they why let it get to falure in the first place??
so hose backin up the FDICK?
hte fed...ok, so ho backs up the fed???
right! jimmy noone!
at sum point, they gonna get an ovation...the hole thins gonna claps......
hyip my hope payout bfo den.....
LET THE LIES BEGIN:
Rep. Barney Frank, the Massachusetts Democrat who chairs the House of Representatives Financial Services Committee, told CNBC television that he expected to get a housing bill to President George W. Bush by the end of next week.
Frank also said Fannie and Freddie were FINANCIALLY SOUND, and would probably NOT NEED TO BORROW from the Fed.
rite! blarny frick....dun wanna get behine him....thats fo juggins to do in the end...
LOL!
yo gotta better shot braney fife fix up the banks....he only nedd one bullit...yo neva say any banks go broke in mayberry.....
juggins...maybe yo can esplane to me why juges make disions and then only jimmy no one pay attenton to dem???
ho cum it like dat?
why botha making a dision then?
July 11, 2008
Chief Judge Vaughn Walker of the US District Court in California has ruled that President George W. Bush is a felon. The ruling stems from the case of Al-Harmain Islamic Foundation Inc. v Bush, a case which will now be remembered as making it official that Bush's program of 'warrantless spying' is illegal.
Judge Walker held that the president lacks the authority to disregard the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA -- which means Bush's warrantless electronic surveillance program was illegal. Whether Bush will ultimately be held accountable for violating federal law with the program remains unclear. Bush administration lawyers have fought vigorously -- at times using brazen, logic-defying tactics -- to prevent that from happening. The court battle will continue to play out as Congress continues to battle over recasting FISA and possibly granting immunity to telecom companies involved in the illegal surveillance.--Suing George W. Bush: A bizarre and troubling tale
The complete story at Sott.net outlines the sorry history of how the Bush administration has defined the law of this nation as well as the laws of common sense and decency to carry out a program that would have made even Richard Nixon or J. Edgar Hoover blush. It would seem to me that it's now well established that Bush is indictable in a Federal Court. It is also my understanding that any sitting federal judge can now --upon his/her own motion --convene a federal grand jury to investigate Bush's many violations of federal law, not the least of which are US Codes, Title 18, Section 2441, which make Bush subject to the penalty of death for each death of his war of aggression in Iraq.
(a) Offense.— Whoever, whether inside or outside the United States, commits a war crime, in any of the circumstances described in subsection (b), shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for life or any term of years, or both, and if death results to the victim, shall also be subject to the penalty of death. --TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 118 > § 2441 § 2441. War crimes
It's easy to find evidences of Bush's tyranny. Here's a headline linked from the article cited above.
Editor's note: This article is part of a Salon investigative series on spying inside the United States by the Bush administration. Research support for the article was provided by the Nation Institute Investigative Fund.
Spying on Americans without warrants, charges based on secret evidence, a small town divided by fear. Welcome to the world of Bush's "specially designated global terrorists."May 19, 2008 | RIYADH, Saudi Arabia, and ASHLAND, Ore. One day in March 2004, Soliman Hamd Al-Buthe, a former member of Saudi Arabia's national basketball team and a government official in the city of Riyadh, picked up his phone for an urgent call with two American lawyers in Washington, DC Most of the call concerned a growing confrontation between the US government and the Al-Haramain Islamic Foundation in Ashland, Ore., the US branch of a global Saudi Arabian charity organization under investigation for possible links to terrorism. Al-Buthe had been an advisor to Al-Haramain from 1995 to 2002 and was a member of the Oregon foundation's board of directors. Just weeks prior to the call, the foundation -- a respected fixture in the Ashland community run for years by an Iranian-American Muslim named Pete Seda -- had been raided by US law enforcement agents.--Blacklisted by the Bush government, Tim Shorrock, Salon
It is the Bush administration which has pressed this issue, an issue that has come up, until Bush, just four times in 23 years. But since 911 and the Bush wars for which it is fraudulently cited in justification, Bush has seized upon a Supreme Court ruling of 1953 to justify sweeping authority far beyond anything that could have been envisioned by the courts. Mere mention of two words --'state secrets' --was always enough to get a wink and nod from a federal judge. Things have changed. There is the possibility that George W. Bush is under investigation by a Federal Grand Jury as we write this.
Federal grand juries do two things: They investigate to determine if federal crimes have been committed; and they indict, or bring criminal charges against, those whom the grand jury believes committed federal crimes. To indict, the grand jurors must have probable cause to believe the persons indicted did violate federal criminal law. Grand juries offer prosecutors several advantages in conducting a criminal investigation, especially a high-profile, factually complicated investigation. For one thing, grand juries operate in secret; this not only gives prosecutors the ability to shield the evidence they are gathering from disclosure to the press and others, it can also encourage people to cooperate with a grand jury. Unless a witness reveals that he or she testified before a federal grand jury, no one ever needs to know that occurred, and since the transcripts of grand jury testimony are secret, no one will know what the witness said. This can be an advantage in an investigation, such as an investigation into terrorism, where witnesses may be afraid of retaliation if they cooperate with investigators. Grand juries also give prosecutors the power to subpoena witnesses and evidence from around the country and, in some circumstances, from other countries, as well. (Getting evidence from abroad is discussed below.) If federal agents want to interview someone, the person can refuse to speak to them; this is true even if the person is arrested as a material witness, because persons who are arrested can invoke the Miranda rights to silence and to an attorney. The U.S. Supreme Court has held, however, that the Miranda rights are not available to witnesses subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury. Unlike someone being interrogated by federal agents, a grand jury witness not only has not right to silence or counsel, he or she is required to answer questions posed by the prosecutor working with the grand jury and by the grand jurors. A grand jury witness can refuse to answer if he or she can invoke the Fifth Amendment as to a question, but the privilege must be claimed as to each question and the prosecutor can challenge a witness' ability to invoke the privilege.--Using a Grand Jury to Investigate the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attacks, Susan Brenner & Lori Shaw
It is against both the letter of the law, logic, and common sense to allow Bush carte blanche to dismiss out-of-hand legal challenges to his various assumptions of dictatorial powers. This is crucial! Bush wars on Iraq, Afghanistan and 'terror' can be shown to be criminal and fraudulent. No other criminal defendant could simply invoke 'executive privilege' in order to have the smoking gun evidence against him thrown out of court. And Bush must no be allowed to do so either!
In this case, the evidence that must be allowed, the evidence that must be weighed by a federal grand jury will prove beyond any shadow of doubt that the panoply of frauds and lies Bush perpetrated upon the sovereign people of the US amount to high treason, mass murder, and war crimes for which US Codes themselves demand the death penalty.
A very important and related story at Alternet: Worries About War Crimes Heat up in the White House. Bush should worry. Any competent prosecutor could make an open and shut case right now that George W. Bush, who ordered the illegal attack and invasion of Iraq, is personally guilty of war crimes that demand the death penalty.
See: US Codes, Title 18, Section 2441.
Also see: Impeach, Remove, and Try George W. Bush for War Crimes and Mass Murder
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quoting Moogie
Makes you wonder who next will get access to the Fed's emergency lending discount window. When & where will this special privilege end?
My statement was, that “...the Fed, particularly through the discount window, does not make loans of that kind...” still stands. They had to be “authorised” to do so, it is not something they would have done in the normal course of business, probably at the order of the Treasury, by way of the Fed Board. The type and means of the loan have yet to be determined unless you’ve seen something I haven’t, and it certainly didn’t go through the discount window.
Since neither company is covered by any type of insurance, unlike the banks and thrifts, the backing would have to come from some point, and the Fed is a reasonable source for it since it will ultimately come out of the Gov'ts pocket one way or another.
Makes you wonder who next will get access to the Fed's emergency lending discount window.
why my hype of course!
so they can pay me and belly bowl.
this fo yo juggins...a leegal breef....reed it good!
July 13, 2008
In an article in The San Francisco Chronicle in December 2007, attorney Sean Olender suggested that the real reason for the subprime bailout schemes being proposed by the U.S. Treasury Department was not to keep strapped borrowers in their homes so much as to stave off a spate of lawsuits against the banks. The plan then on the table was an interest rate freeze on a limited number of subprime loans. Olender wrote:
“The sole goal of the freeze is to prevent owners of mortgage-backed securities, many of them foreigners, from suing U.S. banks and forcing them to buy back worthless mortgage securities at face value – right now almost 10 times their market worth. The ticking time bomb in the U.S. banking system is not resetting subprime mortgage rates. The real problem is the contractual ability of investors in mortgage bonds to require banks to buy back the loans at face value if there was fraud in the origination process.
“. . . The catastrophic consequences of bond investors forcing originators to buy back loans at face value are beyond the current media discussion. The loans at issue dwarf the capital available at the largest U.S. banks combined, and investor lawsuits would raise stunning liability sufficient to cause even the largest U.S. banks to fail, resulting in massive taxpayer-funded bailouts of Fannie and Freddie, and even FDIC . . . .
“What would be prudent and logical is for the banks that sold this toxic waste to buy it back and for a lot of people to go to prison. If they knew about the fraud, they should have to buy the bonds back.”1
The thought could send a chill through even the most powerful of investment bankers, including Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson himself, who was head of Goldman Sachs during the heyday of toxic subprime paper-writing from 2004 to 2006. Mortgage fraud has not been limited to the representations made to borrowers or on loan documents but is in the design of the banks’ “financial products” themselves. Among other design flaws is that securitized mortgage debt has become so complex that ownership of the underlying security has often been lost in the shuffle; and without a legal owner, there is no one with standing to foreclose. That was the procedural problem prompting Federal District Judge Christopher Boyko to rule in October 2007 that Deutsche Bank did not have standing to foreclose on 14 mortgage loans held in trust for a pool of mortgage-backed securities holders.2 If large numbers of defaulting homeowners were to contest their foreclosures on the ground that the plaintiffs lacked standing to sue, trillions of dollars in mortgage-backed securities (MBS) could be at risk. Irate securities holders might then respond with litigation that could indeed threaten the existence of the banking Goliaths.
States Leading the Charge
MBS investors with the power to bring major lawsuits include state and local governments, which hold substantial portions of their assets in MBS and similar investments. A harbinger of things to come was a complaint filed on February 1, 2008, by the State of Massachusetts against investment bank Merrill Lynch, for fraud and misrepresentation concerning about $14 million worth of subprime securities sold to the city of Springfield. The complaint focused on the sale of “certain esoteric financial instruments known as collateralized debt obligations (CDOs) . . . which were unsuitable for the city and which, within months after the sale, became illiquid and lost almost all of their market value.”3
The previous month, the city of Baltimore sued Wells Fargo Bank for damages from the subprime debacle, alleging that Wells Fargo had intentionally discriminated in selling high-interest mortgages more frequently to blacks than to whites, in violation of federal law.4
Another innovative suit filed in January 2008 was brought by Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson against 21 major investment banks, for enabling the subprime lending and foreclosure crisis in his city. The suit targeted the investment banks that fed off the mortgage market by buying subprime mortgages from lenders and then “securitizing” them and selling them to investors. City officials said they hoped to recover hundreds of millions of dollars in damages from the banks, including lost taxes from devalued property and money spent demolishing and boarding up thousands of abandoned houses. The defendants included banking giants Deutsche Bank, Goldman Sachs, Merrill Lynch, Wells Fargo, Bank of America and Citigroup. They were charged with creating a “public nuisance” by irresponsibly buying and selling high-interest home loans, causing widespread defaults that depleted the city’s tax base and left neighborhoods in ruins.
“To me, this is no different than organized crime or drugs,” Jackson told the Cleveland newspaper The Plain Dealer. “It has the same effect as drug activity in neighborhoods. It’s a form of organized crime that happens to be legal in many respects.” He added in a videotaped interview, “This lawsuit said, ‘You’re not going to do this to us anymore.’”5
The Plain Dealer also interviewed Ohio Attorney General Marc Dann, who was considering a state lawsuit against some of the same investment banks. “There’s clearly been a wrong done,” he said, “and the source is Wall Street. I’m glad to have some company on my hunt.”
However, a funny thing happened on the way to the courthouse. Like New York Governor Eliot Spitzer, Attorney General Dann wound up resigning from his post in May 2008 after a sexual harassment investigation in his office.6 Before they were forced to resign, both prosecutors were hot on the tail of the banks, attempting to impose liability for the destructive wave of home foreclosures in their jurisdictions.
But the hits keep on coming. In June 2008, California Attorney General Jerry Brown sued Countrywide Financial Corporation, the nation’s largest mortgage lender, for causing thousands of foreclosures by deceptively marketing risky loans to borrowers. Among other things, the 46-page complaint alleged that:
“‘Defendants viewed borrowers as nothing more than the means for producing more loans, originating loans with little or no regard to borrowers’ long-term ability to afford them and to sustain homeownership’ . . .
“The company routinely . . . ‘turned a blind eye’ to deceptive practices by brokers and its own loan agents despite ‘numerous complaints from borrowers claiming that they did not understand their loan terms.’
“. . . Underwriters who confirmed information on mortgage applications were ‘under intense pressure . . . to process 60 to 70 loans per day, making careful consideration of borrowers’ financial circumstances and the suitability of the loan product for them nearly impossible.’
“‘Countrywide’s high-pressure sales environment and compensation system encouraged serial refinancing of Countrywide loans.’”7
Similar suits against Countrywide and its CEO have been filed by the states of Illinois and Florida. These suits seek not only damages but rescission of the loans, creating a potential nightmare for the banks.
An Avalanche of Class Actions?
Massive class action lawsuits by defrauded borrowers may also be in the works. In a 2007 ruling in Wisconsin that is now on appeal, U.S. District Judge Lynn Adelman held that Chevy Chase Bank had violated the Truth in Lending Act by hiding the terms of an adjustable rate loan, and that thousands of other Chevy Chase borrowers could join the plaintiffs in a class action on that ground. According to a June 30, 2008 report in Reuters:
“The judge transformed the case from a run-of-the-mill class action to a potential nightmare for the U.S. banking industry by also finding that the borrowers could force the bank to cancel, or rescind, their loans. That decision was stayed pending an appeal to the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which is expected to rule any day.
“The idea of canceling tainted loans to stem a tide of foreclosures has caught hold in other quarters; a lawsuit filed last week by the Illinois attorney general asks a court to rescind or reform Countrywide Financial mortgages originated under ‘unfair or deceptive practices.’
“. . . The mortgage banking industry already faces pressure from state and federal regulators, who have accused banks of lowering underwriting standards and forcing some borrowers, through fraud, into costly adjustable loans that the banks later bundled and sold as high-interest investment vehicles.”
The Truth in Lending Act (TILA) is a 1968 federal law designed to protect consumers against lending fraud by requiring clear disclosure of loan terms and costs. It lets consumers seek rescission or termination of a loan and the return of all interest and fees when a lender is found to be in violation. The beauty of the statute, says California bankruptcy attorney Cathy Moran, is that it provides for strict liability: the aggrieved borrowers don’t have to prove they were personally defrauded or misled, or that they had actual damages. Just the fact that the disclosures were defective gives them the right to rescind and deprives the lenders of interest. In Moran’s small sample, at least half of the loans reviewed contained TILA violations.8 If class actions are found to be available for rescission of loans based on fraud in the disclosure process, the result could be a flood of class suits against banks all over the country.9
Shifting the Loss Back to the Banks
Rescission may be a remedy available not only for borrowers but for MBS investors. Many loan sale contracts provide by their terms that lenders must take back loans that default unusually quickly or that contain mistakes or fraud. An avalanche of rescissions could be catastrophic for the banks. Banks were moving loans off their books and selling them to investors in order to allow many more loans to be made than would otherwise have been allowed under banking regulations. The banking rules are complex, but for every dollar of shareholder capital a bank has on its balance sheet, it is supposed to be limited to about $10 in loans. The problem for the banks is that when the process is reversed, the 10 to 1 rule can work the other way: taking a dollar of bad debt back on a bank’s books can reduce its lending ability by a factor of 10. As explained in a BBC News story citing Prof. Nouriel Roubini for authority:
“[S]ecuritisation was key to helping banks avoid the regulators’ 10:1 rule. To make their risky loans appear attractive to buyers, banks used complex financial engineering to repackage them so they looked super-safe and paid returns well above what equivalent super-safe investments offered. Banks even found ways to get loans off their balance sheets without selling them at all. They devised bizarre new financial entities - called Special Investment Vehicles or SIVs - in which loans could be held technically and legally off balance sheet, out of sight, and beyond the scope of regulators’ rules. So, once again, SIVs made room on balance sheets for banks to go on lending.
“Banks had got round regulators’ rules by selling off their risky loans, but because so many of the securitised loans were bought by other banks, the losses were still inside the banking system. Loans held in SIVs were technically off banks’ balance sheets, but when the value of the loans inside SIVs started to collapse, the banks which set them up found that they were still responsible for them. So losses from investments which might have appeared outside the scope of the regulators’ 10:1 rule, suddenly started turning up on bank balance sheets. . . . The problem now facing many of the biggest lenders is that when losses appear on banks’ balance sheets, the regulator’s 10:1 rule comes back into play because losses reduce a banks’ shareholder capital. ‘If you have a $200bn loss, that reduced your capital by $200bn, you have to reduce your lending by 10 times as much,’ [Prof. Roubini] explains. ‘So you could have a reduction of total credit to the economy of two trillion dollars.’”10
You could also have some very bankrupt banks. The total equity of the top 100 U.S. banks stood at $800 billion at the end of the third quarter of 2007. Banking losses are currently expected to rise by as much as $450 billion, enough to wipe out more than half of the banks’ capital bases and leave many of them insolvent.11 If debtors were to deluge the courts with viable defenses to their debts and mortgage-backed securities holders were to challenge their securities, the result could be even worse.
Putting the Genie Back in the Bottle
So what would happen if the mega-banks engaging in these irresponsible practices actually went bankrupt? These banks are widely acknowledged to be at fault, but they expect to be bailed out by the Federal Reserve or the taxpayers because they are “too big to fail.” The argument is that if they were allowed to collapse, they would take the economy down with them. That is the fear, but it is not actually true. We do need a ready source of credit, so we need banks; but we don’t need private banks. It is a little-known, well-concealed fact that banks do not lend their own money or even their depositors’ money. They actually create the money they lend; and creating money is properly a public, not a private, function. The Constitution delegates the power to create money to Congress and only to Congress.12 In making loans, banks are merely extending credit; and the proper agency for extending “the full faith and credit of the United States” is the United States itself.
There is more at stake here than just the equitable treatment of injured homeowners and investors in mortgage-backed securities. Banks and investment houses are now squeezing the last drops of blood from the U.S. government’s credit rating, “borrowing” money and unloading worthless paper on the government and the taxpayers. When the dust settles, it will be the banks, investment brokerages and hedge funds for wealthy investors that will be saved. The repossessed will become the dispossessed; and unless your pension fund has invested in politically well-connected hedge funds, you can probably kiss it goodbye, as teachers in Florida already have.
But the banking genie is a creature of the law, and the law can put it back in the bottle. The imminent failure of some very big banks could provide the government with an opportunity to regain control of its finances. More than that, it could provide the funds for tackling otherwise unsolvable problems now threatening to destroy our standard of living and our standing in the world. The only solution that will be more than a temporary fix is to take the power to create money away from private bankers and return it to the people collectively. That is how it should have been all along, and how it was in our early history; but we are so used to banks being private corporations that we have forgotten the public banks of our forebears. The best of the colonial American banking models was developed in Benjamin Franklin’s province of Pennsylvania, where a government-owned bank issued money and lent it to farmers at 5 percent interest. The interest was returned to the government, replacing taxes. During the decades that that system was in operation, the province of Pennsylvania operated without taxes, inflation or debt.
Rather than bailing out bankrupt banks and sending them on their merry way, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) needs to take a close look at the banks’ books and put any banks found to be insolvent into receivership. The FDIC (unlike the Federal Reserve) is actually a federal agency, and it has the option of taking a bank’s stock in return for bailing it out, effectively nationalizing it. This is done in Europe with bankrupt banks, and it was done in the United States with Continental Illinois, the country’s fourth largest bank, when it went bankrupt in the 1990s.
A system of truly “national” banks could issue “the full faith and credit of the United States” for public purposes, including funding infrastructure, sustainable energy development and health care.13 Publicly-issued credit could also be used to relieve the subprime crisis. Local governments could use it to buy up mortgages in default, compensating the MBS investors and freeing the real estate for public disposal. The properties could then be rented back to their occupants at reasonable rates, leaving people in their homes without the windfall of acquiring a house without paying for it. A program of lease-purchase might also be instituted. The proceeds would be applied toward repaying the credit advanced to buy the mortgages, balancing the money supply and preventing inflation.
Local and Private Solutions
While we are waiting for the federal government to act, there are also private and local possibilities for relieving the subprime crisis. Chris Cook is a British strategic market consultant and the former Compliance Director for the International Petroleum Exchange. He recommends getting all the parties to settle by forming a pool constituted as an LLC (limited liability company), in a partnership framework that brings together occupiers and financiers as co-owners under a neutral custodian. The original owners would pay an affordable rental, and the resulting pool of rentals would be “unitized” (divided into unit interests, similar to a REIT or real estate investment trust). Among other advantages over the usual mortgage-backed security, there would be no loans at interest, since the property would be owned outright by the LLC. Eliminating interest substantially reduces costs. The former owners would be able to occupy the property at an affordable rental, with the option to buy an equity stake in it. For the banks, the advantage would be that they would be able to find investors again, since the risk would have been taken out of the investment by insuring full occupancy at affordable rates; and for the investors, the advantage would be a secure investment with a dependable return.14
Carolyn Betts is an Ohio attorney who served in Washington as issuer’s counsel for MBS trusts formed by various federal governmental entities, and represented Resolution Trust Corporation in its auction of defaulted commercial mortgage loans during the last real estate crisis. She proposes a squeeze play by the states, in the style of that brought against the tobacco companies by a consortium of state attorneys general in the 1990s. She notes that at the end of 2007, at least 20% of the funds held by the Ohio Public Employees’ Retirement System (PERS) were in mortgage backed securities and similar investments. That makes Ohio public money a major investor in these mortgage-related securities. Ohio governments have an interest in not having homes foreclosed upon, since foreclosures destroy local real estate markets, contribute to lower tax revenues and losses on PERS investments, and cause a strain on state and local affordable housing systems. A coordinated series of actions brought by state attorneys general could eliminate the culpable banker middlemen and return the properties to local ownership and control.
Andrew Jackson reportedly told Congress in 1829, “If the American people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system, there would be a revolution before morning.” A wave of private actions, class actions and government lawsuits aimed at redressing injurious banking practices could spark a revolution in banking, returning the power to advance “the full faith and credit of the United States” to the United States, and returning community assets to local ownership and control.
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