Monday, March 01, 2010

Beseeching (1-3-10)

The wrath of God used to run hot but times have changed. Though God is changeless the relationship with Him has changed. All relationships are not static but in constant flux. When speaking to Moses about the idolatrous nation God was angry yet soliciting Moses to beseech Him for mercy. (Es. 32 : 11,12) This situation after Christ can no longer exist because God's relationship to man had changed.

Still there is room for beseeching but of a very different breed. Mercy is a given having been completely dispensed through Christ. God's wrath no longer is enraged having been settled in Christ. Christ told us to ask the Father in His name. What is left to ask for since all provision has been supplied? To this I would answer opportunities of execution to be fulfilled. When we come upon sin Christ can address it. When we come upon sickness and death Christ can address it. When we come upon poverty Christ can address it presently with His completed work by a current body executing His power through faith.

Christ can touch on His own but using us as a conduit is beneficial to both parties. We take on His character and love and He receives a special glory from this exercise. It is part of our invitation into His life. A life to sweet for words. Greater in loving kindness than any imagination. So I beseech you brethren to trust the Lord to execute Himself through you at every opportunity.

74 comments:

fixerone said...

These are very encouraging words Kurt. I have been out of work since April 2009 and soon to be at an end to unemploument money. Don't know what waits for my family and me. With faith in the Lord we will meet whatever comes with our joy firmly rooted in him.

I have had to struggle much to stay positive. I wish things were better, so that I felt better emotionally so I could reach out to help others. We will see.

Take care, many blessings to you and Scott.

sopsback said...

the appeal is going to be filled in the summer????

appeals take years to even get heard.

i guess this thing will be over sometime after the apackolips of 2012 like in the movie.

the dg was in the movie "2012"

there case finished just before the tynal wave hit the earth and drowned everyone.

BigO said...

Thanks brotha for the words of faith!!!

What we all should see in the message is, When God makes us whole through the blessing and efforts of our brothers, dont forget from whence you've come. We are in line to be bless, that we may be a blessing to others!!!!

btw,I wont even comment on slopsback statements, as our Lord stated and He said it best, " Oh ye of little ( but in sopsback case, NO! ) faith!!!

I've said it ALL year in my house!!! and I'll share with you all......

" SOMETHING GOOD IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN"

I've been saying this every day senc Jan. 1, 2010 !!!!!!!!

God bless you fixeone, hang in there, God is going to use you and your test to be a witness of His power!!!!

BIG"O" 1+1+1=1

SEE YOU AT THE TOP!!!!!!

Mortgage free said...

Can't believe I actually agree with sopsback. Big O is that also a witness to his power? It has been 5 years since I signed up and sent in my thousands of dollars for my mortgage to be canceled and get the settlement as a bonus. We were also told that with these men in prison it would make no difference and we would still have the mortgage canceled. I guess that was not correct. When they appeal it will take awhile and what will happen if they get out? Will they be told that if they start up again the FBI will go after them once more?

Oh wait God can take over Dorean he will get it done and I doubt the FBI would go after God.

habakkuk said...

Ohhhh Morty, relaaaxxxx

sopsback said...

"what will happen if (when?) they get out?





no porblem...just crate a (dis)trust and name yo future great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchilden as benficaries


taht should do it. it should take care of any sentiments that culd be reached until da year 2025.

tahts when zager and evans will redo there song so it wont become obsolete

of course, they themselfs will only be 132 years old...

LOLOLLOOLOLOLO!!!!!!

sopsback said...

I doubt the FBI would go after God.


probly not ,but it seem that joe stuck guy did go after the fbi when he cashed his plane into the billding.

==============================




The fishy story about the pilot who flew into the IRS building in Austin has more holes in it than a trawl net!

Joe Stack's phone number links back to the Texas Governor's mansion.

Why is all this disinformation oozing out of Austin, Texas? It's home to Alex Jones, Tex Marrs, The Freeman Perspective, and countless other so-called patriot news shows. It all smells like rotting mackerel to me.

The links necessary to prove the videos conclusions are found at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-suNt02OCI

The building "he flew into" lists it as an FBI, not an IRS building....according to google maps. Links to follow along are below. Stranger and stranger by the moment!

The witness on the video makes it sound like 9-11 déjà vu all over again!

The location for the official IRS building(s) here;

go to google maps, type in, IRS, Austin, Texas. you get two locations.

1. 3651 S I H 35, Austin, TX‎ - (512) 443-1261‎

2. 825 East Rundberg Lane, Austin, TX‎ - (512) 499-5127‎

the building that was hit, copy paste

9430 Research Blvd # Iv180, Austin, TX‎

(Keller Williams Realty building, with FBI offices not IRS building.)

Clear as day on google satellite.
Video:
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/video/pandora/joe-stack-texas-governors-mansion-strange-indeed

March 2, 2010

sopsback said...

he msut of thought, irs, fbi all the same. ill get ho ever in there.

BigO said...

Mortgage free said...

It has been 5 years since I signed up ........
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what do u plan to do when they get out and they have a settlement for you?
Do you plan to give it back? maybe give it to you favorite charity?

But if you plan to accept it, pay your thithes to the Lord, and be a blessing to others that are in need!!!!........

THEN SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE AND PRAY FOR THESE MEN WHO HAVE SACRIFICED THERE LIFES', AND FAMILIES, TO FIGHT THIS FIGHT!!!!!!!!!

P.S. Who's to say that its going to take an appeal to have them released!!!! for you to make that staement tells me your not in the loop of activities that are going on as we speak!!!

Furthermore, if you have'nt spoke with Kurt in the past month or so ( which I have ), or if have'nt received an e-mail from him ( which I have ) in the past 48 hrs. then dont make comments, and statements that carry no merrit!!!!!

One last question??????......

IS THERE ANYTHING TOO HARD HARD FOR GOD TO DO???????.....

NOOOOO!!!!!!

the way this question is answered will tell me were your mind-set is!!!

Lastly I will not respond to anymore of your ignorant comments.

THE NEXT POST I'LL MAKE ON THIS BLOG WILL BE TO CONGRADULATE BOTH KURT AND SCOTT ON THEIR RELEASES!!!!!!!!!!!!

To GOD be the glory for the things HE has, and is doing, and will do in the lives of HIS people!!!

BIG"O" 1+1+1=1

SEE YOU AT THE TOP !!!!!!!!!!

fixerone said...

Well said BigO. Thansk for the encouragement. You are correct, there is nothing God can't do, he defies logical thinking, that's why there are miracles. God works in the impossible so that people know it was God that did a great thing.

Even if a settlement never comes to pass, my faith in God will not be diminished. Nor will it be lessened in Kurt and Scott for they are fighting a giant of bank and goverment coruption.

There are several places in scripture where the weak appeared to be on the losing end, only to end up with voctory. These things still happen today. Nuff said.

habakkuk said...

Somethin good is about to happen:)

sopsback said...

Somethin is about to happen!





yes, anther erthquack!

this will be 9.3 making the 8.8 in chilly look like sitting in a roking chair.

sopsback said...

Somethin good is about to happen





yo copy the line form the movie

2001: a spice odizzy



well, almost.

in the movie astronut david bowman sayed:

"something wonderful is about to happen"

sopsback said...

somethin is about to happen!





yes, anther erthquack!

this will be 9.3 making the 8.8 in chilly look like sitting in a roking chair.



looks like thats waht gong to hoppens alrite.


haitme 7.0

chilly 8.8

tie one on 6.4 yesterday

back to chilly

5.3 today


soon we all be lifing in mud huts


can use yo dg money to buy a lien to and slep in it.


they shoud make a moveee.


erthquack: cumming to a theater near yo!!

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habakkuk said...

TRANSLATION: "Something good is about to happen"

judge allslop said...

Well looky here, somthing good comes out of "Judge Bean" land.


Manhattan condominium owner, victim of shoddy record-keeping at mortgage giant JPMorgan Chase, fights back and wins with the help of New You bankruptcy lawyer David B. Shaev.

New York, NY (PRWEB) March 4, 2010 — New York homeowners filing for bankruptcy are breathing a sigh of relief, knowing that the courts are on their side. In a scathing opinion issued recently by US. Bankruptcy Court Judge Martin Glenn, JPMorgan Chase Bank was effectively denied payment of their entire alleged mortgage claim because they refused to prove their ownership of the loan. The case is In re Minbatiwalla, Chapter 13 Case No. 09-15693 (MG) (Bankr.S.D.N.Y. 2009).

New York bankruptcy lawyer David B. Shaev
“The homeowner won the battle today. But with so much mortgage servicer abuse in bankruptcy, the war wages on.” – David B. Shaev, New York Bankruptcy Lawyer
Kerman J. Minbatiwalla, a Manhattan homeowner, filed for Chapter 13 bankruptcy to repay his debts over time and save his East Side condominium. Though he was current on his mortgage at the time his case was filed, Minbatiwalla is the poster child for a system gone horrible wrong at the hands of shoddy record keeping at his mortgage company.
Minbatiwalla had two mortgages with various JPMorgan Chase entities. On filing of his bankruptcy, Chase Home Finance, LLC filed papers with the court on behalf of U.S. Bank as well as an unknown mortgage trust asking for payment of pre-bankruptcy arrears; a second claim was filed by JP Morgan Chase Bank N.A. also demanding payment of arrears.
Minbatiwalla’s attorney, Manhattan bankruptcy lawyer David B. Shaev, looked on both documents with suspicion. “My client wants to pay his mortgage, but now he doesn’t know who is the rightful recipient of the money. There was nothing but a summary attached, with nothing to indicate which party was which, or to whom the monies should be paid,” Shaev said. “A string of mortgage trusts and servicers only confused the situation, and we needed to be sure that the property parties would be paid.”
Though Shaev demanding more information on the transfer of the loans and the relationships of the parties, he was met with no response. Undeterred, he demanded that the claims for payment be denied in full.
Bankruptcy Court Judge Martin Glenn, in a 26-page written opinion, found that Chase’s failure to attach documentation and respond to the Shaev’s information requests is fatal to their claims for payment. “Here it is not clear whether the claim was assigned to Chase, or whether Chase was the original party on the mortgage and the note,” Glenn wrote. “[The Debtor requested additional information from the claimant in October and has received no documents.”

Justice said...

BigO said...
THE NEXT POST I'LL MAKE ON THIS BLOG WILL BE TO CONGRADULATE BOTH KURT AND SCOTT ON THEIR RELEASES!!!!!!!!!!!!

In that case, we'll see you on the following dates, BigO, because here is when they will be each released..............

1. DALE SCOTT HEINEMAN 07-16-2024

2. KURT F JOHNSON 07-11-2027

judge allslop said...

From Bill Black’s Top Ten Ways to Crack Down on Corporate Financial Crime

24 Corporate Crime Reporter 10, March 5, 2010


Number five: Bust up the FBI partnership with the Mortgage Bankers Association.

“Now we have the FBI standing with what it calls its partners – the Mortgage Bankers Association,” Black said. “But the Mortgage Bankers Association – that’s the trade association of the perps. So, the FBI is partnering with the perps.”

“The result is – we have seen zero prosecutions of the specialty non-prime lenders that caused the crisis,” Black said. “The mortgage bankers are going to position themselves as the victims. This has been so successful that the FBI now has a mantra. They are saying there are two kinds of mortgage fraud. Fraud for profit and fraud for housing. And neither of them is control fraud. They have effectively said – control fraud is impossible. Even though it was the entire story behind the savings and loan crisis, the Enron wave, and the creation of the most recent housing bubble.”

judge allslop said...

This statement from an attorney, challenging judicial foreclosure. Must winning too many as the dogs have been released. Sound familiar.

"On March 1, 2010 a warrant for my arrest was signed by a Pinellas County Judge. The warrant was signed based on an affidavit of probable cause that was signed by an officer of the private company that the Pinellas County Sheriff’s office has contracted to process all their probable cause affidavits and arrest warrants. For hundreds of years, only actual deputized officers of the Sheriff’s office signed these affidavits and they were kept within the Pinellas County courts, but that process was recently contracted out to a private company.
When I appeared before the judge, I reviewed the affidavit and it was clear that whomever signed the affidavit got the facts all wrong. I’m 175 pounds, not 204. I’ve got brown hair, not white hair. I’ve got blue eyes, not brown eyes. And most importantly, I couldn’t have committed the serious felony crime the affidavit accused me of because I wasn’t even born yet on the date the affidavit said I committed the crime. When I appeared before the judge and pointed all this out her response was astonishing…while she admitted that the affidavit was totally wrong and that it was clear from its face that I could not have committed the crime, she told me, “The prosecutor admits that the affidavit is wrong and while you may not have committed this specific crime, the affidavit says you committed a crime. The prosecutor assures me that they believe you’ve committed a crime even if it’s not the crime that I’m going to sign this arrest warrant for and that’s enough information for me.”
The judge signed the arrest warrant even though she knew and the prosecutors admitted that the facts in the affidavit did not support my arrest.
There were hundreds of attorneys in the courtroom who had clients that were being arrested on precisely the same obviously wrong set of facts, but they could do nothing. The facts were all wrong, the files were all wrong, but the warrants were signed."

habakkuk said...

Justice: "In that case, we'll see you on the following dates, BigO, because here is when they will be each released..............

1. DALE SCOTT HEINEMAN 07-16-2024

2. KURT F JOHNSON 07-11-2027"
___________________________________

Hey Justice, you've used that a few times already. Its stail.

Joseph said...

Habakuk said: "Hey Justice, you've used that a few times already. Its stail."
_______________________________

Yea, it's about as stail as his belief that there is no such thing as a successful appeal or revelations & proof of an unfair trial that can be substantiated. Course "Justice" lives in the past, not the future, so can you expect a different response than just "stailness" from someone that very seldom has an illuminating point to make other than reaffirming pure hopelessness and the status quo?

Wasn't it Justice that said that Dr. Johnson wasn't a real doctor too? Course if the truth was known, you would realize that the real doctors have murdered more people from their craft and poor recommendations than even serial killers.

Well, I think it's about time we give Justice an honorary title or honorary degree BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY HE BELIEVES THAT SUCH THINGS AS TITLES CAN'T BE BESTOWED in respect of a person's accomplishments OR EXPERIENCE. From now on, "Justice" will be known as Dr. "Killhope, Killjoy". It's an honorary degree based upon worldly experiences he's had, and this honor is given with much love attached and bestowed to him.

Justice said...
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Justice said...

Justice said...
Not as "stale" (the correct spelling for future reference clone) as Kurt, BigO et al. saying the charges were going to be dropped, 90 more days etc. dating back to 2005.

It's been going on for 5 yrs now, so you clones keep it up and next thing you know 2024 will be here an then you all will finally be correct in saying that "they are getting out"

And for the record, they will not EVER be released without an appeals court overturning the convictions, as someone overly intellectual eluded to in an earlier post that an appeal would not be needed for a release.

Kurt Johnson's superior knowledge of all that ALL CAPS / Patriot / Redemptions hoopla was lauged at during the entire trial, and now you all are naive enough to believe it will get either or both of them released from 20 year sentences?

Whomever believes this should be locked up with them or in a mental institution, because you are most certainly not playing with a full deck.

Justice said...

BigO said...
Furthermore, if you have'nt spoke with Kurt in the past month or so ( which I have ), or if have'nt received an e-mail from him ( which I have ) in the past 48 hrs. then dont make comments, and statements that carry no merrit!!!!!


So, BigO, when was the last time (if any) that heineman, johnson, you, dr. h fred, on any other dorean clone made a statement that carried "merit"?

Just as I and the others that think cleary thought, NEVER. And now you want to chastise someone else for making comments you deem have no "merit"?

Look in the mirror, BigO, but then again this is the exact same position and attitude the dorean clones has shown from day 1 and will obviously never see things objectively.

habakkuk said...

Hey Justice...Yaaaaaaaawwwwnnnn! Your argument fizzled out about 4 years ago as far as i'm concerned.

Justice said...

habakkuk said...
Hey Justice...Yaaaaaaaawwwwnnnn! Your argument fizzled out about 4 years ago as far as i'm concerned.

My point exactly. You are a clone and programmed to not see clearly, which is why after 4 years, you still buy into the long gone hopes, promises, and dreams......

Mortgage free said...

BIG A-O

Why don't you tell JUSTICE to shut it.

It is amazing how ignorant you are about law and life. Don't you think also that a God has more important things to do in the universe than to pander to the Dorean group. Besides that BIG A-O God hates you anyway. Who says that he at least doesn't have good taste.

judge allslop said...

What great drama. All the "actors" are assembled,IE The quatrot crowd (I hate any thing Johnson)and the Alsup court under the moniker of "Justice" up against a couple guys who asked for a loan validation. The court will have to decide between truths, and all decisions have consequence.

mogel007 said...

Here's a debt elimination educational site with tools for those that might be interested in learning how to stop or prolong a foreclosure or help one work out their own loan modification or short sale agreement or solve a host of other problems by taking control yourself by getting educated, rather than just allowing the lender to walk all over you due to financial difficulties beyond your control:

https://marrs.infusionsoft.com/go/mortfree/mogel007/

Alot of the ideas seem to parallel the Dorean Group's presentment, but have a little different twist to them.

Hopefully some of these educational tools and programs can take you one step further to the reality of getting your debts cancelled.

mogel007 said...

Justice said: "Kurt Johnson's superior knowledge of all that ALL CAPS / Patriot / Redemptions hoopla was lauged at during the entire trial, and now you all are naive enough to believe it will get either or both of them released from 20 year sentences?"
_________________________________
OK, you can spell, but can you really think? Buy the way, for the record, it should be spelled, "laughed". If you are going to "laugh", you should at least spell it correctly in all fairness.

First of all those issues you addressed, are just a very small part of the entire trial. Most of the relevant issues were never even addressed by the US attorneys, relevant ISSUES THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED TO JUSTIFY A CONVICTION.

It's laughable that a Broker can be charged with conspiracy against the United States, when the United States has nothing to do with the original charges of bank fraud. If they do, than the United States, who has deep pockets, becomes a target to pay for all financial injuries to the clients by the United States interfering with their SETTLED contracts/rights/claims/administrative judgments against the lenders.

It's laughable that a trustee can be convicted of mail & wire fraud by simply exercising his legal rights AND FIDUCIARY DUTY to defend his clients by using the UCC rules, the FDCPA etc.
It's even more laughable to believe that Dorean was a scam in any way, shape, or form when all they did was challenge the lenders rights to a recorded mortgage & offered a plan for the lender not to be injured if they only proved they had a legitimate claim. If there is no legitimate claim, WHICH IS SHOWN BY THE PAPERWORK TRAIL OF WHAT DOREAN DID, than discharging a mortgage does not become a criminal act.

The Dorean Group challenged the lenders, the lenders defaulted by their silence, so the claim is settled.

Apparently you are naive enough to think you can simplify the trial down to just a few small issues.

I think it's laughable that the Court wouldn't look at many of the other more important issues.

For example:

(1) Were the injured parties (lenders) really injured due to their risking of assets and giving a legitimate loan?

(2) Was the promissory note used, & altered by the lender to create the extension of credit? Are promissory notes used as money?

(3) Was there a full disclosure of the loan agreeement by the lenders to the clients?

(4) Did the lenders prove that they were the holder in due course of the note & was that evidence tendered to the Court? Or was all the lenders in the indictment just assumed to be injured parties?

(5) Did the Principals have the right or power of attorney to discharge mortgages for their clients?

mogel007 said...

(6) Was the original promissory notes & all paperwork for all clients tendered to the Court to show without a doubt that the lenders had a real claim & injury?

(7) Did the Jury hear all of the material facts and was the Jury properly directed by the Judge to consider the real issues?

(8) Who is the real creditor in the lending transaction?

(9) Is it a criminal offense to follow the UCC?

(10) Did Judge Alsup ever uphold procedures and rulings that prejudiced the Defendants right to a fair trial?

(11) Were the lenders paid or given an opportunity to eliminate their entire alleged loss times 2 by being honest and exercising their remedy? If this was done, how are the lenders injured at all if they chose not to exercise their remedy and how does fraud or conspiracy tie into all of this if the lenders can't prove an injury?

(12) Did the US attorneys prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the Dorean subrogation bond was fake?
Oh that's right the plaintiff's expert mentioned something about doing a google search on the internet as evidence. LOL

(13) Disallowing the Defendants to use the UCC as a defense shows that the Court prejudiced and hurt the defense of the Defendants so the trial process is tainted.

(11) Can the clients be tied in as injured parties according to the indictments or did the Judge screw up by allowing this connection?

(12) Can you have mail & wire fraud if there is no bank fraud when bank fraud was the foundation of the original indictment even getting approved?

(13) Could the US attorneys have received an indictment against the Defendants in the first place, if they didn't mislead the Grand Jury by addressing bank fraud allegations when they knew that such allegations weren't even true?

(14) Did the US Attorneys screw up everything by amending and changing their complaint wrongfully by abusing the facts.

I can go on and on, but a few examples drive home the point.

You see barring this evidence proven, and proper procedures in the court trial, and not addressing the IMPORTANT ISSUES, it becomes like all these other recent court cases where the lenders claims have been thrown out of court because they lacked the proper paperwork and PROOF to even present a claim since they had no jurisdiction or right to even bring a claim in the first place AS A SUPPOSED INJURED PARTY. Without this evidence proven & shown, AND FOR THE RECORD IT DOESN'T EXIST IN THE RECORD OF THE CRIMINAL COURT, there could be no dorean scam, no mail fraud, no conspiracy charges, no convictions.

So to be naive enough to think there isn't a number of holes in the criminal trial, is to be a clone yourself believing there was a fair criminal trial. And to think you were there & still believe all of the propaganda thrown around is the most laughable. Or maybe it's even sad.

sopsback said...

dun worry about yo mtg.

soon sam kendys redo amrika plan will set everyone free from they mtg.

it should happen in the next foo moths....

not in 2025 like zager and evans say.....

speeking of fo the record, i actually got a copy of the 45 rpm of 2525

gut to be wroth a foo bux. :-)

mayb i shud sell it to pay my moonage wit it

mogel007 said...

Justice can also be accurately spelled as:

"Just-an-ass."

Or it can be spelled by it's 2nd definition as:

"just-another-clone".

sopsback said...

the United States, who has deep pockets,




are those 'vest pockets' yo talking about?

sopsback said...

like you said, just hang on as the u.s. corp is about to be dissolved. tahnx to sam kendy et. al.

mogel007 said...

Why wasn't the Jury allowed to understand this simple fact?

How Does A Bank Loan Actually Work:
1. You want a loan for your home
2. The bank advertises that they loan money
3. You apply for a loan
4. You jump through all their hoops and are approved for a loan
5. They have you sign a promissory note
6. Your promissory note is exchanged for currency of equal face value
7. The bank deposits the currency into an account
8. The bank cuts you a check from the deposit you never knew
about (or transfers the money to those who should be receiving it).
9. And you think you owe money back on a loan, when in fact
all that took place was an "exchange".

Did they give you money? NO

What other business in the world allows you to create money based
on the value that someone else GIVES YOU, then charge that person
again plus interest!?

So the real question becomes, "If the promissory note is an asset,
what funded the bank's ownership of the note?"

Answer: They still don't really own it. They made and exchange -
Your promissory note (asset to the bank) was exchanged for approximately
the amount of the loan.

sopsback said...

jsut like in the show the "jizm of oz"....when the rinkled wench got all melted down and dissolved in the fire...so just like the u.s. crop will also be very soon....


LOLOLOLOLOOL!!!!!!!!

mogel007 said...

Justice said: Not as "stale" (the correct spelling for future reference clone) as Kurt, BigO et al. saying the charges were going to be dropped, 90 more days etc. dating back to 2005.
_______________________________

The belief was based upon supposition that the "powers that be" would do the "right thing" since to defend a wrong in perpetuity is an abuse of the legal process that carries huge damages and damages don't stop until the tresspasses stop and honestly, fairness, and justice is established.

Even now, despite the history of all of these events, it's still believed that justice (no pun intended) and truth will prevail in the end and that God has an interest in these virtues to bless mankind.

If that's "stale" to you, it sounds like a personal problem to me.

sopsback said...

huge damages and damages don't stop until the tresspasses stop and honestly, fairness, and justice is established.





jus' wonerin' dept.....


if all these damn ages are gong to cuntinue to a crew, then as dis is bin gong on fo yurs now, u wood dink dat the damn ages wood now am not in too the TRILLIONS? no??


see if yo can figoor out wha ive just said above.

yo get an red a pull if yo can fig your 8 out.

sopsback said...

trans latin:


if all the damages are continuing to accrue, then you would think that by now the damages would be in the trillions of dollars by now.

i mean do you really expecct the u.s. govt. also know as the federal corp. to pay this??


they would kill everyone first doncah think?? even the judges who allowed the damages

sopsback said...

damages are based on the amt borryed.

so typical loan is prob about 200k


so interest and damages have to easily be in the billions even if only 5% a year plus the damage aspect of 200x the amt finaced.


200k x 200 x 5%/year = ????

BIG DOOLAS!!

sopsback said...

and that number doesnt even include all the other damages not even related to the amt. financed, as you mention in your post. illegal prosec., fraud, etc..etc...

esily in the billions

sopsback said...

by the way, you know we in the 'end times' of the bible when rome is startng to "make its move' to become the church of the a/c

how?

by "absorbing" all chruches

how?


beginining by 'absorbing" 100 anglican churches in the usa


and soon cumming to a chruch near yo too!!


IF YOU think that this cannot happend to your chruch,you are unconsious and a fool


like the entity "landru" says in the old star trik series:

resistance is useless, you WILL BE ABSORBED and so the BMR will absorb all chruchs per the book of revulsion


story here.



http://salesianity.blogspot.com/2010/03/100-us-anglican-parishes-convert-to.html

sopsback said...

think yo in a babble fun they mental chruch???


dont kid yoself...yo too will be absorbed.

nwo yo say "but that cant hoppens"


i say: "just sit back and watch it happen"

sopsback said...

now yo say?

"but how could it happend?"


to this i say like ive always said:


"there are NO biblical churches in existence today"


but thet babble say that christs chruchs "will prevail agaisnt the gates of hell"


this is still true, but it is the "invisible chruch" not the visible on that you see that only meets on sunday, or sat or even during the week in a billding.



usa = corp

church = corp


the corp chruch will not prevail agaisnt the gates of hades so get out of it while yo still can.

show that yo have some awareness of wahts going on.



"..come out of here my ppl, lest you suffer her plagues..."



"her" = corp. 501(c) fake church also know as "chruch" that meet on sundays in a billding with a "paster" who copy and paste babble verses and then reads them to his goats/sheep standing in a bull(sh*t)pit

Justice said...

Mogel007said.....

Justice can also be accurately spelled as:

"Just-an-ass."

Ah yes. Now Mr. Gashler has surfaced.

One question for you after all the BS you mentioned.

How many days did you attend the trial to come up with all those wonderful conclusions and errors on everyone's part but heineman and johnson?

My guess is that you didn't attend one day, but yet you know all the facts, which makes you "just an ass".

sopsback said...

when the crop church gets absorbed then yo will find out the reel chrsitans from dose ho arent but just "spout relgius crap" on sumdays....

sopsback said...

"spout relgius crap" on sumdays....




LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!

habakkuk said...

Justice: My guess is that you didn't attend one day, but yet you know all the facts, which makes you "just an ass".

Why does he have to attend?

Justice said...

habakkuk said...
Justice: My guess is that you didn't attend one day, but yet you know all the facts, which makes you "just an ass".

Why does he have to attend?

First and foremost, all of gashler's or anyone else's versions of what the courts, judge, us attny, etc. did wrong to heineman and johnson can't be substantiated by facts. All gashler posts is legal quotes that he can prove valid or not. I don't know if gashler or any other clone knows that case law isn't guaranteed in ANY case. And for the one million time over the past five years, the UCC doens't apply to real estate, but yet gashler continues to mention the UCC, which shows just how out of touch with real law he is.

judge allslop said...

Attendance was optional the trial was all theater and for the umpteenth time none of this was about any law.In fact it more resembled the manufacture of hamburger or manure. The Government can always be relied upon to spend too much over react too much and lie vigorously, which they did in abundance through out this ordeal. To the contrary they substantiated everything via the record. Five years worth. That should be enough rope to hang one self don't you think?

Justice said...

judge allslop said...
The Government can always be relied upon to spend too much over react too much and lie vigorously, which they did in abundance through out this ordeal.

I disagree, and here is why i disagree. Let's just say for the fun of it, that everything heineman and johnson did prior to talking about re-finance loans was totally truthful and legit. Once the people who did re-finance loans and lost their houses spoke to the jury, heineman and johnson was toast, and is why they have no chance of getting out of their sentences until they are fulfilled.

No matter how you frame it, the re-finance loan was fraud pure and simple and no matter how ANY of you try to spin it, there's no way to justify it. If Johnson was blowing the whistle on the mortgage industry, why did he engage in new fraudulent loans with the intent of getting the money and eliminating the loan?

The people who were naive enough to get a new loan and pay out to everyone and lose their house was all a jury needed to convict.

GAME OVER

judge allslop said...

Allow me to be the second to congratulate you on your victory.

mogel007 said...

Justice said: How many days did you attend the trial to come up with all those wonderful conclusions and errors on everyone's part but heineman and johnson?

My guess is that you didn't attend one day, but yet you know all the facts, which makes you "just an ass".
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I never said I knew all of the facts, that's your stupid conclusion of what you think my paradigm is.
Everything that was filed by either Plaintiff or Defendant, or what rulings were made by the Judge were recorded which one could get off of Pacer. What was filed was the heart and issues of what was discussed in the trial. I didn't have to attend to know what went on, or hear every word, but I guess you're not smart enough to consider that by your dense response. I doubt you read much of the transcripts of the trial & if you did, you certainly didn't read all of them since you usually seem to be lacking in judgment and seem to think that the US attorneys & Judge Alsup are just a bunch of "good fellas".

mogel007 said...

Justice said: First and foremost, all of gashler's or anyone else's versions of what the courts, judge, us attny, etc. did wrong to heineman and johnson can't be substantiated by facts.

IF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS LOGICAL, ISN'T IT ALSO LOGICAL TO SAY THAT THE US ATTORNEY'S VERSION OF THE CHARGES AGAINST HEINEMAN & JOHNSON CAN'T BE SUBSTANTIATED BY FACTS EITHER? SURE IT IS. LOL

YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE RECORDED RECORD OF WHAT WENT ON & WHAT WAS SAID. I HEAR YOU SAYING THERE WERE NO FACTS OF RECORD IN THE TRIAL AT ALL, WHICH IS SILLY TO SAY. AN AFFIDAVIT BECOMES A FACT IF IT ISN'T REBUTTED OR CHALLENGED. AN AFFIDAVIT IS NOTHING MORE THAN ONE PERSONS VERSION OF THE STORY.

All gashler posts is legal quotes that he can prove valid or not. I don't know if gashler or any other clone knows that case law isn't guaranteed in ANY case.

WHO SAID CASE LAW WOULD GUARANTEE THE OUTCOME OF A TRIAL? CASE LAW IS MEANINGLESS WHEN A JURY IS IGNORANT OF CASE LAW & WHEN THE JUDGE IS CORRUPT. THAT'S WHY THERE ARE APPEALS. CASE LAW IS A BASIS FOR WHAT YOU CALL 'REAL LAW' IS, BUT SOMEHOW YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY THEY'RE DIFFERENT.

And for the one million time over the past five years, the UCC doens't apply to real estate,

I DIDN'T BRING UP REAL ESTATE, YOU DID. UCC TALKS ABOUT PROMISSORY NOTES & OTHER FINANCIAL INSTRUMENTS AND HOW BUSINESS NEEDS TO BE HANDLED, WHICH IS VERY RELEVANT TO THE LENDING ISSUE FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME SINCE YOU ARE THE ONE NOT LISTENING. PROMISSORY NOTES ARE RELEVANT TO REAL ESTATE MORTGAGES. YOU CAN'T SEPARATE THEM IS WHAT THE RECENT COURTS HAVE IN ESSENCE SAID IF YOU ARE TRYING TO PROVE THAT YOU ARE THE HOLDER IN DUE COURSE & ARE TRYING TO PROVE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO FORECLOSE OR EVEN BRING A FORECLOSURE ACTION. ALL YOU ARE DOING BY YOUR DENSE COMMENTS IS TWISTING THE ISSUES.

but yet gashler continues to mention the UCC, which shows just how out of touch with real law he is.

I SUPPOSE YOU ARE SAYING REAL LAW OR CASE LAW CONVICTED JOHNSON & HEINEMAN? YOU JUST MAKE YOURSELF LOOK STUPID THE MORE YOU SPEAK. A SMARTER PERSON WOULD KNOW WHEN TO SHUT UP. LOL

mogel007 said...

Judge Alslop said: "for the umpteenth time none of this was about any law.In fact it more resembled the manufacture of hamburger or manure.
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That's an excellent point!!!

Particularly how the "mail fraud" statute was manipulated by the prosecution into something the law didn't even apply to in the trial is one of the biggest misuses of justice and fairness ever. The mail fraud statute was completely misinterpreted and misapplied by the US Attorneys into something it isn't & into something it was never intended to be.

Secondly you can't have a conspiracy without injured parties, and you can't have a conspiracy when there isn't a scam. If the injured parties were the clients only, than the indictments would have never took place & the trial would have never happened. If the injured parties of the conspiracy were the banks, than why were the bank fraud charges ALL DROPPED? If the banks were injured, why were there never any FDIC insurance claims filed? If there is no bank fraud & no injured clients, and no proven scam, than you can also throw out all the wire fraud charges too.

So when you try to concoct an alleged conspiracy and get it to actually stick and even agreed to by a stupid jury when a conspiracy never existed, is purely laughable & proves what a circus the trial really was.

mogel007 said...

Justice said: I disagree, and here is why i disagree. Let's just say for the fun of it, that everything heineman and johnson did prior to talking about re-finance loans was totally truthful and legit. Once the people who did re-finance loans and lost their houses spoke to the jury, heineman and johnson was toast, and is why they have no chance of getting out of their sentences until they are fulfilled.

No matter how you frame it, the re-finance loan was fraud pure and simple and no matter how ANY of you try to spin it, there's no way to justify it. If Johnson was blowing the whistle on the mortgage industry, why did he engage in new fraudulent loans with the intent of getting the money and eliminating the loan?

The people who were naive enough to get a new loan and pay out to everyone and lose their house was all a jury needed to convict.

GAME OVER
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If that was all that the Jury needed to convict why did the trial last as many months as it did? Now you're the one that is being ridiculous.

The refinance loan wasn't fraud since the source of the money came from the client which by the way was always his deposit the bank never returned. The client is the creditor in the first transaction, as he is in the 2nd transaction, so where is the fraud on the part of the client, alleged borrower, who in fact is the creditor in both transactions?

To say that the Dorean Group will never get out of jail because the dorean clients were victimized is pure STUPIDY. If the clients losses were so important, why did the court not make the Principals responsible to pay back all upfront fees & losses as a condition of parole or put it in the record as some restitution that the Principals must pay? That was never done, so your conclusion that they will never get out of jail until they have served their full term, is also without merit.

The only stupid people that agreed to pay back clients were a few of the Brokers as part of a plea bargain process. Sound familiar?

You said: " The people who were naive enough to get a new loan and pay out to everyone and lose their house was all a jury needed to convict."

So I guess we finally get a written admission by you that in fact you were naive, since you were one of the parties that got paid in the refinance. Naive is a little too kind, it's more the action of an "idiot".

And correct me if I'm mistaken, you also lost a house or two, so you also again are putting yourself in the naive category if not the hypocrites category too being a dorean client yourself.

So if the banks illegally foreclose on a home, than somehow you believe that the Dorean Group are somehow responsible for this & that this is why the Jury convicted? That's nonsense.

Problem with that is that the mail & wire fraud statutes have nothing to do with what the Dorean Group was involved in. The Dorean Group were not convicted of being bad fiduciaries or even involved in bank fraud. People losing their homes due to the bad behaviour of the banks, doesn't make the Dorean Group guilty of anything that is worthy of the Jury to consider based upon the charges. Course a stupid Jury not understanding Case law or all of the facts, or even how lending works, would disagree based upon not knowing the facts. For a Jury to convict anyone, they had to be convinced that the indicted were involved in a scam or a conspiracy. Since they bought that lie, justice wasn't served.

mogel007 said...

Justice asked: "If Johnson was blowing the whistle on the mortgage industry, why did he engage in new fraudulent loans with the intent of getting the money and eliminating the loan?"
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I think that is a fair & an honest question, other than Johnson ever engaging in any fraudulent loans. What action of Johnson caused the fraudulent nature of all loan processes where the lender in essence takes an asset unto himself for free?

One of the persons that got a refinance was sued by both lenders in an interesting case.

One interesting and very hypocritical thing that came out of that case is that the second lender basically sued the 1st lender & said they had a priority lien on the real estate because the 1st lender defaulted the dorean claim & thus acquiessed all of the charges against the lender, & thus the lien was cancelled or dissolved & no longer effective. Now an attorney drafted up that response. If that isn't interesting, what is? What if the second lender won their argument & a Judge bought that argument and upheld the attorney's reasoning? It would have created a case precedence for the Dorean claim, & legitimize the process, would it not as a case precedence?

This would have allowed more refinances to take place. If more refinances would have happened on a larger scale, you would have had lenders sueing lenders for priority lien position. A house divided against itself cannot stand. Maybe that was a consideration for doing the refinances to cause more commotion and dissension amongst the different lenders & banks?

Maybe the reason was to "plunder" the banks for the wrongs they committed as a way of getting damages which the client was entitled to anyway, since fraud was first done to the consumer on the first loan and every loan for that matter.

Does a corrupt and unfair system need to last? If the Dorean process was more effective, and left alone to grow without being molested as it was, the cancellation of mortgages & the refinances, it may have brought in more positive or even legislative changes in how lending operates where the client is benefitted more and the lender is benefitted less. In the very least, it would have created a very powerful financial base of people who are all Dorean clients.

mogel007 said...

Justice said: No matter how you frame it, the re-finance loan was fraud pure and simple and no matter how ANY of you try to spin it, there's no way to justify it.
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THERE'S NO WAY TO JUSTIFY IT? IF THAT'S TRUE, THAN THERE'S NO JUSTIFICATION TO PARTAKE OF THE FILTHY LUCRE EITHER, AND GET PART OF THE REFINANCE MONIES YOURSELF. BUT YET YOU DID! DID YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT PARADIGM BACK THAN? LOL

You're your own worst enemy FOR SURE! AND IF YOU TALK LONG ENOUGH, YOU WILL DISPROVE ALL OF YOUR ARGUMENTS AGAINST THE DOREAN GROUP IN TIME, BUT THE SAD THING IS YOU'LL STILL NOT SEE YOUR HYPOCRISY OR YOUR OWN LIES, BUT THE JUST AND REASONABLE PERSON WILL. EVEN YOUR OWN NAME IS A LIE. JUSTICE? YOU CERTAINLY DON'T WANT JUSTICE OR EVEN BELIEVE IN IT WHEN IT COMES TO THE LENDING ISSUES. YOU AGREE WITH INJUSTICE AND JUSTIFY ALL OF THE INJUSTICES THAT HAVE HAPPENED, EVEN TO YOURSELF. MAYBE I SHOULD FEEL SORRY FOR YOU, BUT FOR SOME REASON I STILL CAN'T BECAUSE YOU ARE SO ADAMANT IN YOUR OPINIONS AND VIEWS THAT ARE WAY OFF IN LEFT FIELD.

Justice said...

mogel007 said...
YOU ARE SO ADAMANT IN YOUR OPINIONS AND VIEWS THAT ARE WAY OFF IN LEFT FIELD.

And you are so objective in your "opinions and views", correct?

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mogel007 said...

The bad behaviour of some banks know no bounds. Think you are safe because your original lender discharged your mortgage & recorded this? Think again. The loan servicing agent claims that Chase Bank filed a discharge in error. Now the borrower has to prove they paid off the loan.
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MARILYN L. ELLIOTT and MICHAEL S. ELLIOTT, Appellants-Defendants,
v.
JPMORGAN CHASE BANK, as Trustee on Behalf of the Registered Certificate Holders of GSAMP Trust 2004-SEA2, Mortgage Pass-Through Certificates, Series 2004-SEA2, Appellee-Plaintiff.

No. 30A01-0907-CV-356.

Court of Appeals of Indiana.

February 3, 2010.

THOMAS E.Q. WILLIAMS, Greenfield, Indiana, ATTORNEY FOR APPELLANTS.

SARAH A. OKRZYNSKI, Reisenfeld & Associates Cincinnati, Ohio, ATTORNEY FOR APPELLEE.

OPINION

BAKER, Chief Judge.

The Kafkaesque character of this litigation is difficult to deny. Having failed to receive a summons that may have been improperly served upon them, Marilyn and Michael Elliott learned that a default judgment had been entered against them, foreclosing on their home because of a mortgage that was allegedly in default. The home was sold in a sheriff's sale to the lending bank. Feeling confused and suspicious, they turned to the Indiana Attorney General, who directed them to file a complaint with the Comptroller of the Currency. The Comptroller's investigation revealed that Chase Bank, the ostensible plaintiff herein, is entirely unaware of the foreclosure proceeding. Moreover, Chase's records show that the mortgage was paid in full in 2001. Chase, therefore, executed and recorded a satisfaction of mortgage. Notwithstanding the satisfaction of mortgage, Chase's loan servicer—Ocwen Bank—continued to prosecute this action in Chase's name, attempting to force the Elliotts out of their home even though there has never been a trial and the lending bank has declared that the mortgage was paid in full. Finding this situation untenable, we reverse and remand for trial.

mogel007 said...

Here is that quick process one student has had great success with at stopping foreclosure auctions.

Here is what to say to the Trustee (the person holding the auction). Make sure at some point you get the person's name who is acting on behalf of the trustee at the auction.
Say....(assuming you are the borrower, if acting as a Power of attorney, have your POA document in hand and indicate who you are in context).
“I am the Grantor on the Deed of Trust (or you represent them as POA), I have first hand knowledge that this note has been satisfied in full”. (at that point they may ask for documentation or proof).
You can tell them that you do not have the documentation with you, however; “As the Grantor of this trust deed (or as he POA for them), I also have first hand knowledge that your assignment is not valid. You were not assigned by the actual beneficiary”. The reason for this last statement is because, 99.9% of the time a clerk in some office filled out the Trustee Assignment paper work, instead of an authorized signor for the Beneficiary – likely the person who created the trust deed or mortgage; the borrower.
Then tell the Trustee, “I am the Grantor and I'm giving you verbal notice of these facts. I now have your name(s) and you do not have any liability protection from me suing you personally as a participant of this fraud”. One side note, check and make sure how you are referred to in your trust deed, either as the Grantor, Trustor, or Borrower, then represent yourself as whichever one applies.
At this point, they will generally place the property last on the list while they have someone make a call to the Trustee’s office to make a clarification. The office will usually call back within a half hour to an hour, and the Trustee will announce that the sale has been postponed due to mutual agreement.

Joseph said...

The Mortgage Company maintains two sets of books regarding your Mortgage payments. The local set of books, is a record that they loaned you money and that you agreed to repay that money, with interest, each month. The second set of books is maintained in another State office, usually a Bank because the Mortgage Companies usually sell your loan contract to a Bank and agree to monitor the monthly payments in order to conceal the fraud! In the second set of books, your monthly Mortgage Payment is recorded by the bank as a savings deposit because there is no real loan! When you pay off the fraudulent mortgage, the Bank waits (90) days and then submits a request to the IRS. The request states: “That someone, unknown to this facility; deposited this money into our facility and has abandoned it! May we keep the deposit?” The IRS always gives their permission to the bank to keep the deposit and your hard earned money just feathered the nest of the Rockefeller, Rothschild and eleven other wealthy families in the world!

Joseph said...

Damages unto you by the Bank (Debt Collector) in a Foreclosure:

a. Bank did not set off the account. Debt has already been taken care of.
b. violation of Securities Exchange Act of 1934.
c. an adverse claim found at UCC 8-105(b).
d. violation of 31 CFR 103.35 - FINANCIAL RECORDKEEPING AND REPORTING.
e. violation of 17 CFR 240.15c 1-2 - Fraud and misrepresentation.
f. violationof18USC1956 - Laundering of monetary instruments.
g. violation of 18 USC 1957 - Engaging in monetary transactions in property derived from specified unlawful activity.
h. violation of 31 USC 5324 - Structuring transactions to evade reporting requirements.
1. violation of Truth and Lending Act Section 1640(h).
J. violations is Anti-trust laws.
k. violation of the Uniform Deceptive Trade Practices Act.
1. violations in bank fraud .
m. violations in wire fraud.
n. violation of the Consumer Credit Cost Disclosure Act.
o. violation of False Advertising.
p. violation of the Unfair Sales Act.
q. violation of the Unfair Competition.
r. violation of 12 USCA Sec. 1831n(a)(2)(A) or 12 CFR 741.6(b) (GAAP).
s. violation of 18 USC 513 and 514 Counterfeiting and Forgery.
t. violation of Pro-Offering of your Investment Securities.
u. violation of 12 USC CHAPTER 2 SUBCHAPTER 4 SECTION 83 (a).
v. violation of law by Acts of Privateering by Breach of contract or takings.
w. violation of law by Acts of collusion by BANK, INC. of Acts of collusion.
x. violation of paper terrorism.
y. violation of Freedom of Information or Privacy Act at 5 USC 552 and/or 552(a).
z. misrepresentation of agreement:
aa. violation of FDCPA 15 USC 1692e(g)(A) - false representation of character amount or legal status of debt (* definition of debt collector with supporting case history).
bb. violation of 15 USC ]692d; conduct the natural consequence of which is to harass, oppress, or abuse any person in connection with the collection of a debt; (* definition of debt collector with case history).
cc. violation of state consumer protection laws; breach of good faith and fair dealings, unfair and unlawful conduct and unfair trade practice upon the consumer * 15 USC 1692a: The term "debt collector" means any person who uses any Instrumentality of interstate commerce or the mails in any business the principal purpose of which is the collection of any debts, or who regularly collects or attempts to collect, directly or indirectly, debts owed or due or asserted to be owed or due another. Notwithstanding the exclusion provided by clause (F) of the last sentence of this paragraph...



|Definition of a Debt Collector:
Debt Collectors are businesses or persons who collect debts on behalf of others. Most debt collectors are “professional” collection agencies. Collection agencies are often used by doctors, hospitals, stores, mail order companies, and by banks and “loan” companies. In addition, most attorneys collecting debts for their clients are considered “debt collectors” under federal law.

Joseph said...

Justice said: It's been going on for 5 yrs now, so you clones keep it up and next thing you know 2024 will be here an then you all will finally be correct in saying that "they are getting out"

And for the record, they will not EVER be released without an appeals court overturning the convictions, as someone overly intellectual eluded to in an earlier post that an appeal would not be needed for a release."

Well it appears things have been set up now so the appellate court might be forced to let them go by the Courts own accord or agreement through their own silence or acquiescense on the issue: the issue being a BIG ONE: "JURISDICTIONAL ISSUES."

Kurt did mention there were two cases before the Supreme Court that would be decided soon which would be the tools or precedence to free him & Scott. I assume those cases have to do with the same issues here.

If you don't have jurisdiction, all convictions are null & void. In other words they didn't happen in a legal way & in essence have no legal or real effect when you talk about "real law". If the convictions are null and void, what is there to overturn?


Kurt said: There are a couple of cases you might take interest in. C08-2325-JSW which is the lawsuit to remove all the liens (UCC 1’s) placed on many actors, and C08-2462-JSW which is a habeas. The liens will probably receive an order this week to have them expunged. Sounds like a loss. I couldn’t be happier to arrive at my goal. When I get the opportunity to teach some of you the truth you will learn just how tactical God has made me. When you have a big predictable bully confronting you use his energy against him.

The habeas was filed in May, went to default in June, in Dec. 08 I asked the court to issue a default or make the US answer. Nothing yet. Funny how they can’t answer a simple jurisdictional problem. Of course I know why. My next move should prove interesting."

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Joseph said...

Bank seizes wrong home in foreclosure:

http://news.yahoo.com/video/business-15749628/bank-apologizes-for-accidental-foreclosure-18569702

Doc said...

Ive read some documents that lead me to believe that Scott is out of jail..These are docs that were filed in December of 2008 and january of 2009. Scott was one of three men who filed these docs in washington DC article 3 court.I know one of the three is out of prison .and it must be assumed that scott is also out of prison.. has anyone heard anything of this?

judge allslop said...

Sorry. It seems they are still hard at work collecting equity. I believe we will hear from Kurt soon about this subject.

Judge Roy Bean said...

Kurt is still at Hurlong. His attorneys have just filed their response to the US Attorney's response to the appeal.