Thursday, August 12, 2010

Supreme Innocence 08/12/10

I know many are concerned by the appeals court affirming my conviction. Further to enhance to that concern is their recent denial of some motions. But we are only playing games of procedure. The ruling of the Supreme Court has already declared Scott and I innocent. Not specifically but by declaring that the statute we were prosecuted under doesn't reach to our conduct. the ruling of most significance was Skilling v. United States which was ruled upon on June 24, 2010. In this ruling the Supreme Court interpreted the phase "Scheme or Artifice to defraud" to mean bribes and kickbacks only. This phrase is the same in all the fraud statutes. The importance of this is that once an interpretation comes out of the Supreme Court Stare Decises takes hold and even Congress has to follow suit. There are many more cases to support this truth. Cases like Clark v. Martinez, Zadvydas v. Davis, United States v. Stevens, and United States v. Williams. The import of these is that once a statutory word or phase has been interpreted that meaning is to remain consistent throughout the same act. Since 18 U.S.C. 1346 was the vehicle in Skillings to define and confine this phrase the interpretation must remain the same throughout the entire fraud section of chapter 83 of this title. In addition to this issue we have a legally invalid theory incorporated into our indictment and a lack of proof of financial institutions. Under United States v. O'brien decided May 24, 2010. Financial institutions are an element of the offense and therefore had to be proven in trial, alleged with legal specificity in the indictment, and properly presented to the Grand Jury. All of this was precedurally deficient. The law has declared us innocent but the courts are doing al they can to prevent us from airing our argument. These tactic eventually fail and the law will be heard. Once it has been we will be vindicated. It's a terrible system that fights against itself but wicked people know no other forms of righteousness. If you do the research and get your hands on some of my appeal brief and my motion to dismiss the indictment in district court you will see the beginnings of this truth. I am saving the best for last and the right opportunity. What I can say is that we have won though you see no evidence of it yet. If you judge just by the headlines you will lose heart. I will update you shortly on more events. A lot will happen in the next few months to deal with the procedural hurdles. It still comes down to truth verses time. Scott and I are not persuaded by the time so truth will eventually prevail.

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taycamstu said...

God bless you.

habakkuk said...

Kurt and Scott, I really appreciate you guys. You are always in my prayers. You guys were handpicked by G-d to do this...and i know you will complete the work He has given you to do.

sopsback said...

havakook said...


You guys were handpicked by G-d to do this...and i know you will complete the work He has given you to do.




yes, indeed they will.


god said that da dg program will be one of his quicker projects to be completed in only a few days...


jus' rember tho, that with god, one day is like a thousan years.


so like i sayed beefo, you g/great/granchilluns 48 generations from now will be able to buy new yurk state and all the billdings there with the settle mints that they will get. corse, that wont hep yo much?


good deel, eh??




ho yo gonna beet dat??

sopsback said...

so like i sayed beefo, you g/great/granchilluns 48 generations from now will be able to buy new yurk state and all the billdings there with the settle mints that they will get. corse, that wont hep yo much?

sopsback said...

so like i sayed beefo, you g/great/granchilluns 48 generations from now will be able to buy new yurk state and all the billdings there with the settle mints that they will get. corse, that wont hep yo much?

sopsback said...

so like i sayed beefo, you g/great/granchilluns 48 generations from now will be able to buy new yurk state and all the billdings there with the settle mints that they will get. corse, that wont hep yo much?

sopsback said...

so like i sayed beefo, you g/great/granchilluns 48 generations from now will be able to buy new yurk state and all the billdings there with the settle mints that they will get. corse, that wont hep yo much?

sopsback said...

so like i sayed beefo, you g/great/granchilluns 48 generations from now will be able to buy new yurk state and all the billdings there with the settle mints that they will get. corse, that wont hep yo much?

sopsback said...

so like i sayed beefo, you g/great/granchilluns 48 generations from now will be able to buy new yurk state and all the billdings there with the settle mints that they will get. corse, that wont hep yo much?

sopsback said...

so like i sayed beefo, you g/great/granchilluns 48 generations from now will be able to buy new yurk state and all the billdings there with the settle mints that they will get. corse, that wont hep yo much?

sopsback said...

so like i sayed beefo, you g/great/granchilluns 48 generations from now will be able to buy new yurk state and all the billdings there with the settle mints that they will get. corse, that wont hep yo much?

sopsback said...

so like i sayed beefo, you g/great/granchilluns 48 generations from now will be able to buy new yurk state and all the billdings there with the settle mints that they will get. corse, that wont hep yo much?

sopsback said...

so like i sayed beefo, you g/great/granchilluns 48 generations from now will be able to buy new yurk state and all the billdings there with the settle mints that they will get. corse, that wont hep yo much?

sopsback said...

it was a funny thins when i fist saw bully baals dawg page fo the first tiem about 7-8 years ago...


i tawt to myslef, it msut be a fake name. noone could relly be call burly baal.


i tawt it was a nockname, like when yo in collage and yo trow a potty, and sum nun got to go to the licka sto and by a bur ball.

same thins here. i tawt it was like that, a burly ball.


i like to mak fun of bruly, but burly all right...even tho he thiks all his HYIPs ARE GONG TO BIB!!!

and then yo loose yo money soon therafta.

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mogel007 said...

Unlike SOP, I don't believe in my heart of hearts that settlement or justice will come for the Dorean Group & clients for the next generation to enjoy.

I don't know why he continues to spout such nonsense in this regard. He obviously isn't listening with his heart, but with his comical mind.

Especially after reading this latest post, if you can't get excited & see that these problems like the incarceration of Kurt & Scott aren't going to last for an indeterminate or unreasonable time period, than you lack inspiration for sure.

Once there is a judicial determination that the Federal Court erred in allowing the convictions of Kurt & Scott, and have no choice but to overturn their convictions, because their conduct did not violate the fraud statutes, then the landscape is going to change dramatically for them. No pun intended. That's when I believe that the "best will be saved for last." That opportunity is coming.

One cannot argue with the Supreme Court, irregardless of what arguments or rhetoric is given. They are meant to be the final word on the subject, unless there is divine intervention or God wants to speak through his power.

"We have already won" because the Supreme Court said so. End of discussion. If that doesn't cheer up the faithless, you enjoy being depressed without any real hope.

habakkuk said...

SOP is a court jester and a fool.

fireinthehole said...

"It still comes down to truth verses time. Scott and I are not persuaded by the time so truth will eventually prevail."

Truth is simple and open to all.
Truth is loving and lovable.
Truth is timeless.
Truth is not somewhere, out there.

There are no loving and lovable judges in the United States today who will overturn your fate.

You and Scott were warned, but you did not heed those warnings.

Your fearless warriors now fear time... hmmm

judge allslop said...

Smug in his hole has issued advice and a warning. Duly noted.

mogel007 said...

Fire in the Hole said: "There are no loving and lovable judges in the United States today who will overturn your fate."

LOVING AND LOVABLE JUDGES ARE IMMATERIAL TO THE IMPORTANT ISSUE & RECENT POST. THE SUPREME COURT HAS ALREADY RULED. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE LOVE OF JUDGES. JUDGES GENERALLY RULE BASED UPON CASES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SETTLED. THE IMPORTANT ISSUES AND DEFINITIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN RECENTLY SETTLED BY THE SUPREME COURT, SO TIME IS ON THEIR SIDE.

FIRE IN THE HOLE SPEAKS AS IF SHE IS SOME SOOTHSAYER WHO PRETENDS TO KNOW SOMEONE ELSE'S FATE, THE FATE HERE BEING UNDERSTOOD AS PUNISHMENT, FOR NOT FOLLOWING ADVICE.

You and Scott were warned, but you did not heed those warnings.

THE WARNINGS CONFLICTED WITH THEIR REAL FATE WHICH IS TO BE A VICTOR AND A DELIVERER. THAT IN OF ITSELF SHOWS THEY HAVE NO REAL MEANINGFUL FEAR. HONOR CAN'T BE COMPROMISED. THAT IS SOMETHING TO PRAISE, NOT TO PUT DOWN.

Your fearless warriors now fear time... hmmm

NO EVIDENCE OF THAT. "THEY ARE NOT PERSUADED BY THE TIME." HMMMMM, CAN'T YOU READ & UNDERSTAND SIMPLE SENTENCES? OR ARE YOU JUST ASSUMING THEY SAY ONE THING & MEAN ANOTHER THING DEEP DOWN? ANOTHER PERSON THAT WANTS TO BELIEVE THE WORST IN PEOPLE? HOW SAD!

FIRE IN THE HOLE SPEAKS OF LOVE, BUT UNDERSTANDS NOTHING ABOUT IT. TRULY SAD! WHY WOULD ANY LOVING PERSON TAKE PLEASURE & SMUGNESS IN A 'I TOLD YOU SO MENTALITY,' IN SOMEONE ELSE'S PAIN OR IMPRISONMENT? A CHARITABLE PERSON IS "NOT PUFFED UP". WITH LOVE LIKE THAT, WHO NEEDS IT? I'M NOT FEELING THE KINDNESS OR LOVE IN THE HOLE. IF I'M WARNED, I WANT TO BE WARNED BY SOMEONE THAT TRULY CARES ABOUT ME, NOT SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO SMASH ME INTO THE GROUND AND NOT SOMEONE THAT TAKES PERVERTED PLEASURE IN MY UNDESIREABLE CIRCUMSTANCES.

mogel007 said...

"Truth is simple and open to all."
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Is this a simple self indictment of some kind?

fireinthehole said...
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fireinthehole said...

WHY WOULD ANY LOVING PERSON TAKE PLEASURE & SMUGNESS IN A 'I TOLD YOU SO MENTALITY,' IN SOMEONE ELSE'S PAIN OR IMPRISONMENT?

What makes you think I got pleasure and smugness out of saying I told you so ? I didn't get pleasure then, so why would I now? Kurt & Scott were impervious to anyone telling them what to do or not to do then, why would they care what I say now ?

fireinthehole said...
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fireinthehole said...

"Truth is simple and open to all."
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Is this a simple self indictment of some kind?


No. It is a fact. Why do you turn a fact into a question?

near the end said...

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mogel007 said...

Fire in the Hole said: Your fearless warriors now fear time... hmmm
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Hmmmmmmmm. Is this one of your simple facts that is so simple, it's open to everyone to agree with and to understand this truth? What evidence at all do you have that "they fear time."

If Kurt & Scott were impervious totally to you and everyone else, and you understand this simple fact, why are you still trying to make them see the error of their ways?

Isn't it silly to talk when you ALREADY KNOW BY EXPERIENCE that those people aren't going to listen?

Isn't the simple definition of insanity which is open to all, doing the same things over & over again, & expecting a different result?

If you have no expectations that are good, why are you here or why would you appeal to Kurt & Scott's reason? Or are you like "Notarial Dissent" that takes a sadistic satisfaction out of Kurt & Scott's "misery," if that word is even an appropriate word to use.

You obviously aren't interested in any success that may come their way, because you speak of "fate" as if it's simple & inevitable & no Judge on earth can help or save them, as if their fate is sealed, written, and irrevocable.

Am I right, or am I right?

Are you their salvation as the voice of "simple reason and truth"? Can you help them see the error of their ways?

And if you can't help them & make a difference, which obviously you can't because you speak of Judges having the power & they aren't good, aren't you shoving things in their face by bringing up your version of the truth that they listen to no one & certainly and especially not you?

And if you can make a difference, doesn't that make you more powerful than those judges you refer to that are no good, and do no good things and will never change the "fate" that you so strongly believe in as irrevocable, which fate has no possible good omens whatsoever?


Isn't it arrogant to assume as a fact that no good CAN EVER COME from Kurt & Scott's stand & their work and their mental mind set that no one will deter them or stop them from carrying out what they feel they were called to do by God almighty himself?

If you know for a fact that whatever you say makes no difference, because you are never listened to ever, why can't you learn to shut the hell up?

Now, that's not such a simple truth to understand that is open and obvious to everyone. I certainly don't understand it & I know how to effectively listen.

mogel007 said...

Fire in the Hole said: "Truth is simple and open to all."
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Amos 8: 11-12

"Behold the days come saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread nor a thirst for water, but OF HEARING THE WORDS OF THE LORD;

And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, AND SHALL NOT FIND IT.

mogel007 said...

Proverbs 1: 27-33

"When your fear cometh, as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

"Then shall they call upon me, BUT I WILL NOT ANSWER; they shall seek me early, BUT THEY SHALL NOT FIND ME.

"For that THEY HATED KNOWLEDGE, and did not choose the fear of the Lord:

"They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof."

"Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.

"For the turning away of THE SIMPLE, shall stay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.

"But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall BE QUIET from fear of evil."

mogel007 said...

2 Thess. 2: 10-12

"And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the LOVE OF THE TRUTH, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them STRONG DELUSION, THAT THEY SHOULD BELIEVE A LIE. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but HAD PLEASURE IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.

judge allslop said...

It should be clear to all rational thinkers the predicament of Dorean, they had the audacity to tug on supermans cape. There has been no change in the fact that Wall Street owns Washington hence the Federal judges. You expected anything different?


Banks to benefit most from White House program to help fight foreclosures
By Vicki Needham – 08/15/10 03:05 PM ET

Banks will get the biggest benefit from an Obama administration housing program designed to help unemployed homeowners escape foreclosure. Housing experts expressed concern that banks, not homeowners, will be helped by the White House’s $3 billion funding infusion — $2 billion from the Treasury Department and another $1 billion from the Housing and Urban Development Department — going to those states hit hardest by the housing market crash and unemployment.
"Giving money to the banks isn’t what the government should be doing right now," said Dean Baker, co-founder of the Center for Economic and Policy Research.
"I’m not a big fan; it’s ill-conceived," he said.
The basic principle is to help struggling homeowners but with so many people underwater on their mortgages the new funding is unlikely to do much good, Baker said.

fireinthehole said...

"Isn't it silly to talk when you ALREADY KNOW BY EXPERIENCE that those people aren't going to listen? "

Yes.

"Isn't the simple definition of insanity which is open to all, doing the same things over & over again, & expecting a different result?"

That’s one definition, yes.


"You obviously aren't interested in any success that may come their way, because you speak of "fate" as if it's simple & inevitable & no Judge on earth can help or save them, as if their fate is sealed, written, and irrevocable. Am I right, or am I right?"

How is success going to come their way if not by way of judge? Just answer that one question. I don’t tell people what they want to hear because in this case what they want to hear is something that is not even in my hands. Why delude them even more than they already are into thinking there’s hope when I do not have a clue if there is or not?

"Are you their salvation as the voice of "simple reason and truth"? Can you help them see the error of their ways?"

What makes you think I could help them? I do not pretend to be anyone's guru.


"If you know for a fact that whatever you say makes no difference, because you are never listened to ever, why can't you learn to shut the hell up?"

LoL.

What you say does make a difference. K & S are living proof of that. I do not pretend to have the magic words that would reverse the 20+ year sentence. K & S are political prisoners. They are going to need more than a supreme court ruling to get them out.

sopsback said...

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sopsback said...

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sum nun said...


They are going to need more than a supreme court ruling to get them out.




true, it will take RAP to get them out and it beeing work on as we spoke.

fireinthehole said...

from wiki:

Political prisoners are arrested and tried with a veneer of legality where false criminal charges, manufactured evidence, and unfair trials (kangaroo courts, show trials) are used to disguise the fact that an individual is a political prisoner. This is common in situations which may otherwise be decried nationally and internationally as a human rights violation or suppression of a political dissident.

A political prisoner can also be someone that has been denied bail unfairly, denied parole when it would reasonably have been given to a prisoner charged with a comparable crime, or special powers may be invoked by the judiciary. Particularly in this latter situation, whether an individual is regarded as a political prisoner may depend upon subjective political perspective or interpretation of the evidence.

sopsback said...

sum nun said...


They are going to need more than a supreme court ruling to get them out.





ho dat nun dat sayed dat??



ho dat??



did she half a habit on or did she quik smokin'??


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fireinthehole said...

"Political prisoners are arrested and tried with a veneer of legality where false criminal charges, manufactured evidence, and unfair trials (kangaroo courts, show trials) are used to disguise the fact that an individual is a political prisoner."


Which means anyone who receives a show trial in a kangaroo court (any U.S. court) is a political prisoner.

Title 18 should actually be called "Political Crime Code" not "Criminal Code" because most of the codes describe politically incorrect behavior, not common law crimes.

sopsback said...

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sopsback said...

Tuesday, August 17, 2010


Oil Spill - Mystery well revealed


Did you know that BP drilled TWO wells in the
blow out area?

You'd never know from the news media, from BP
or government reports.

Yet, even the most basic research reveals that this
is the case.

Which is the one that's leaking? Which is the one
they're showing us on TV? Something is fishy
here.

Video:


http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/914.html

sopsback said...

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near the end said...

No I think sop lie's.

mogel007 said...

Under RAP, (Restore America Plan), see the 3rd order to the governors, which says that all prisoners need to be released where there is no injured party:


http://issuu.com/americandreampreservation/docs/unan_declar_of_restor_v_9_6_2/1?mode=a_p

I agree with SOP on this, it could be a nice tool to help Kurt & Scott. The more I understand about RAP, the more I believe that something could happen with them to change America. It at least gives people a choice. I'm told that 90 countries are backing this new government. I'm told that the military also backs what they are doing. After all after the US goes bankrupt completely & the Dollar fails, RAP can pay their salaries, so why wouldn't the military support them? Also RAP can be there as a transitional government to take over when everything else fails. This is not something that was created in a few months, RAP has been on the table being engineered for the past 20 years.

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notorial dissent said...

Nice try Kurt, but just one more in a long string of lies.

Skilling was not charged under any of the statutes you were charged and convicted on, so, like I said, nice lie, but lie all the same.

You are in jail, and you are going to be in jail for a very long time to come, your convictions have been affirmed. You can lie to yourself and to the dim and bewildered, but you are still a convicted fraud, and in jail you are going to stay.

judge allslop said...

Rah rah sis boom bah. master of the under world has spoken.

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tongtong said...

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judge allslop said...

When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it, and a moral code that glorifies it."
~ Frederic Bastiat (political economist, 1850)


Monotonous dissent said “your convictions have been affirmed.”
Speaking of dim and bewildered who better to critique crime than a crime syndicate spokesperson. The only reason for an extended stay is heightened awareness that dorean has shed up on the malfeasance in progress using USGovt debt securities. The actions continue without any hint of regulatory notice or legal prosecution. All the extreme efforts to revive the US banks appear bound in futility. Imagine numerous transfusions of a dead man in the Emergency Room of a hospital, as more blood does not guarantee a resuscitation. Some quivering of the body might take place, known to occur. More wires and tubes don't mean squat, since the guy has croaked and his corpse is rotting with a stench spreading into the corridors. The dirty secret, protected from the US public, is that the man could indeed be dead on the table. So Wall Street and the Big US Banks are likely dead. By withholding the coroner report, a storm of funding programs has been approved by the USGovt, mostly directed at Wall Street and the Big US Banks. They urgently need liquidity, and are creative how they obtain it.
The Securities & Exchange Commission will continue to enjoy some exclusive protection from the Freedom of Information Act, courtesy of the new Financial Regulation Act. Such a unique clause highlights the criminal element in full control of the legislation, which began with good civic and public motives. Wall Street writes the new laws that the people initiate out of righteous indignation. Wall Street spent $600 million on lobbyist fees for the privilege. The SEC wanted to remain beyond accountability to anyone, even the Constitution. Recent attempts by Senator Kaufman of Delaware to force disclosure to the stock market proved ineffective. In rides Ron Paul on a white horse to introduce the SEC Transparency Act of 2010 (HR 5970), a bill designed to force greater transparency in the Securities & Exchange Commission. Naked shorting explains well the extremely high volume of mortgage bonds, including the Failures to Deliver. Wall Street and the Big US Banks appear to stay afloat from naked shorting, a type of fraud if delivery never occurs, in order to survive. They lack liquidity. The must sell something. Corporations, municipalities, and other entities observe the suspicious Wall Street behavior, their conflict of interest, their trades positioned in opposition to clients, and might have lost trust. The Wall Street community activity centered upon naked short sales of USAgency Mortgage Bonds seems clearly to complement their naked shorting of USTreasurys. So Wall Street and the Big US Banks are likely dead. The USTreasurys are the prima facie in the case to be brought for large scale fraud, sufficient for indictment. The USAgency Mortgage Bonds are the second part to the story, worthy of important support toward conviction. The difficulty of executing transactions tarnishes the image of the $5.2 trillion mortgage bond securities market, which is the most liquid behind USTreasurys. That is precisely why the Fannie Mae bonds can be sold so easily without ownership. With heavy volume comes heavy cover for fraud.

fireinthehole said...

The Skilling statute doesn't even apply to Kurt & Scott's case. Sec. 1346 is a general statute that generally applies to anyone generally. In other words, its a scheme or artifice to defraud the people generally.

There's no such thing as generality.

There's no such thing as me generally.

There's no such thing as others generally.

Kurt and Scott are behind bars simply because they did not know (ignorance) how to stay out from behind bars.

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent said: "Skilling was not charged under any of the statutes you were charged and convicted on, so, like I said, nice lie, but lie all the same."
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It doesn't matter if Skillings wasn't specifically charged with the same fraud statutes that the Dorean Group was charged. All that is important is the clarification of what certain words mean according to the rulings.

If Skilling wasn't charged under any of the statutes that Kurt was charged, that's even better, is it not? It shows a pattern of the Federal Court to use a statute that doesn't apply to someone's situation like mail & wire fraud,
convict them of a crime based upon one's behaviour that has nothing to do with their real behaviour.

Now if Judge Alsup received monies under the table to make sure that false charges were brought against Kurt & Scott, there's your kickback & bribe to show that the wrong parties went to jail.

If a "scheme or artifice to defraud" only refers to bribes & kickbacks only, since the Supreme Court has ruled this, where is the evidence of the kickbacks the
Dorean Group received, or who bribed Kurt & Scott to influence their behaviour? There was no evidence put in the court record of these things, hence their convictions need to be overturned. Since there is no evidence of this, there is "no artifice to defraud by the Dorean Group", therefore to allge that Kurt & Scott were involved in "some scheme" is inappropriately alleged. That's the real lie which was perpetrated by the prosecution which influenced the petite jury's decision to convict.

Remember it was alleged by the prosecution that the whole Dorean Process was some "artifice to defraud" and that the Dorean Group used the mails & wires to achieve this goal to defraud. The prosecutions basis was that the whole scheme of the Dorean Group was to defraud the financial institutions, and then since that couldn't be proven, and all bank fraud charges were later dropped before the trial started, the prosecution purposely & diabolically shifted & said that the Dorean clients were the injured parties of this scheme to defraud & that the Dorean Group used the mails & wires to achieve this goal.

An "honest service" to challenge the legitimacy of a loan for clients, is not a kickback, nor is it a bribe, so their convictions can't stand because there is and never was any "artifice to defraud" by the Dorean Group, or any evidence of such in the court record, so yes, if an appeal is properly worded & actually heard, it has the power to overturn their convictions.

Sorry Notarial Dissent that the simplicity of this is too hard for you to understand.

Course we all know we can count on you to be here to thwart and twist the real issues into lies.

fireinthehole said...

Kurt & Scott, at the very last moment, scrambled to figure out how to stay out of jail. Nothing worked. In fact they didn't have anything worked out until the last moment and then it was too late to do anything.

mogel007 said...

Fire in the Hole said: "Kurt and Scott are behind bars simply because they did not know (ignorance) how to stay out from behind bars.
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This astute observation is coming from someone who simply has no clue on how to be heard, listened to & appreciated.

Knowing on how to stay out of jail, does that specifically apply to everyone, generally speaking, or does that only generally speaking apply to Kurt & Scott? Course if you answer this, it is false because you already admitted, there is "no such thing as generally speaking."

I guess Nelson Mandella, & all politically prisoners, also didn't know how to stay out of prison too is what you actually believe. All people that go to jail, just lack necessary intelligence. Problem with that argument is that Jesus went to jail too. Did he lack the necessary intelligence to stay out of jail too?

The difference between all those that went to jail & you, is that they were at least listened to, and taken seriously, generally speaking. LOL

Course than again, how does "fate" your other absolute best friend, fit into all of this? You know that friend of yours that has no faith, hope, or charity, where all judges are corrupt & cannot waiver or change from the sentence that has already been passed?

Are intelligence & fate somehow related too? Or does fate override completely intelligence beings decisions?

mogel007 said...

You can't believe in fate and intelligence too.

But the truth of the matter is, you just simply do. And I'm just speaking generally. LOL

It's like believing in a lie & the truth at the same time. LOL

It's like attorneys that speak out of both sides of their mouth depending on what point they are trying to make, when it's convenient for them to make it.

The law is one way when it suits them, and the law is completely something different another day if it suits them better on that particular day.

The problem with this Dorean case against Kurt & Scott is there has been no consistency since the beginning in the arguments that have been used against them to make them look bad like they are some unintelligent criminals that can't help what they do.

That's extremely unfair & prejudicial.

judge allslop said...

Of course they would try to stay out of jail, wouldn't you? They also knew the evil before them and were prepared for all contingency’s and to play the hand delt them. What is your stake in all of this?

mogel007 said...

Fire in the Hole3 said: "and then it was too late to do anything."
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Hey if that doesn't sum your faith up into one sentence, nothing does.

Without faith, it is impossible to please God.

Maybe this is why you aren't listened to, because you show this pattern of doom & fate? You think?

fireinthehole said...

"Knowing on how to stay out of jail, does that specifically apply to everyone, generally speaking, or does that only generally speaking apply to Kurt & Scott? Course if you answer this, it is false because you already admitted, there is "no such thing as generally speaking."

The statute doesn’t apply to anyone, let alone Skilling, because he is not named in the statute, and because the statue is void for vagueness. The statute was narrowed by the supreme court but that doesn’t change the statute, which is void for vagueness. The Supreme Court does not make the law.

What you’re saying is that Scott & Kurt could not have known how to stay out of jail because they did not know they were doing anything wrong, which is preposterous unless they were so naïve to believe the banks would sit back and doing nothing with Scott and Kurt's accusations.

"The term politically incorrect connotes language, ideas, and behavior unconstrained by concerns about offending or expressing bias regarding various groups of people."

Who did Kurt and Scott offend ? The banks of course. The government defended the banks.


"I guess Nelson Mandella, & all politically prisoners, also didn't know how to stay out of prison too is what you actually believe. All people that go to jail, just lack necessary intelligence. Problem with that argument is that Jesus went to jail too. Did he lack the necessary intelligence to stay out of jail too? "

We’re talking about Kurt & Scott here not Nelson Mandella or Jesus.

sopsback said...

lookit,


TRAP goona get every nun out and every paster too!!


i no persnal ppls on the TRAP and day say dat it gong to take sum times to imply mints.

but when it do, they will be no mo plical pensioners nor any other STARMAN pensioners eether.


plus, TRAP will supply it own minister remdy fo every nun...and paster too.


every nun and paster too will be able to cash in his STRAWMAN at emral city with the wiz.


the wiz pees cash in barrel fo yo nunce yo re nuns yo STARMAN. 5 FO YO!!


so it all gonna cum to a end soon....jus like judzs asslop...he always get cum "in da end"...


lolololololol

mogel007 said...

Fire in the Hole said: What you’re saying is that Scott & Kurt could not have known how to stay out of jail because they did not know they were doing anything wrong, which is preposterous unless they were so naïve to believe the banks would sit back and doing nothing with Scott and Kurt's accusations
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So you are saying that offending the banks by telling the truth is reason enough to know you are doing something wrong?

You have a strange morality. I think one reason why you aren't heard, is that you are governed too much by your fears and it's your fears that cause you to have a narrow mind.

I believe you are wrong, I believe both Skillings & Kurt & Scott were all somehow linked to the fraud statutes based upon the assumption and accusation that all of them were somehow engaged in some "artifice to defraud".

You must have the elements of kickbacks or bribes in order for a scheme to be labeled "an artifice to defraud" to be true. If you don't, the accusation of being involved in a scam with an "artifice to defraud" CAN'T be proven AND THE ARGUMENT CAN'T BE MAINTAINED which means you can't convict, which means that the Dorean Group were involved in only an "honest service", so the fraud statutes don't apply to them.

The banks did do nothing. They answered no presentments. They had their dirty work done by the courts.

Here's a good example of the importance of understanding the meaning of words. "Motor Vehicle" is defined in the United States Statutes as a carriage that is involved in some "commercial activity". If you are not involved in a commercial activity like carrying passengers for profit like a taxi-driver, or transporting goods for profit like a semi-driver, you are not involved in a commercial activity just by being behind the wheel of a car going from point A to point B. If you aren't involved in such activities, your carriage is NOT A MOTOR VEHICLE by definition, and hence you aren't "driving", but you are only "traveling". "Driving without a license" is very vague if you don't understand definitions. So most people are not even required to even have a drivers license. A license is a privilege which always seem to involve paying a fee to a government agency.

Human rights like freedom of movement, can't be legislated into a licensing law. Meaning of words, are paramount to even see if a statute applies to someone.

The fraud statutes the Dorean Group were charged under, do not apply to their conduct as the Supreme Court has so brilliantly interpreted. I never said that the Supreme Court makes the laws.

How sad that you are so simple minded that you can't see how those cases do apply and do exonerate them.

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fireinthehole said...

Yes I know the fraud statutes do not apply to Kurt & Scott. I also know they should not have been arrested let alone convicted and sentenced 15 to 20 years behind bars, yet all has happened, right before their very eyes. The big bad evil government doesn't know how to do anything right. I'm sure they will get it right one day as long as Kurt & Scott keep telling the government how wrong they are and how right they are! The truth will prevail!

sopsback said...

kirk and scoot need to join RAP and re nuns they affiliation with the feral corp, then will be let out.

IF NOT LET OUT, THE U.S. MILITARY WILL GET THEM OUT.


LED BY THE 'A TEAM' AND B.A. BARKUS. ALSO KNOW AS 'MR. T'


HE ONE BAD MOFO YO DUN WAN MESS WIT.

mogel007 said...

Websites:

www.restoreamericaplan.net

http://republicoftheunitedstates.org

www.freedomyell.com

mogel007 said...

Fire in the Hole said: "I also know they should not have been arrested let alone convicted and sentenced 15 to 20 years behind bars, yet all has happened, right before their very eyes."
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You really mean to say 20-25 years, do you not?

mogel007 said...

Here is the join area for RAP:

http://www.republicoftheunitedstates.org/node/2

sopsback said...

yes, every nun (and paster too) should join RAP.


at this time, you can only be a member.

they are not accepting any more positons for de jeur grand jurors. these are temporarily closed until they get all they chit togther.


very soon, the d/j g/j will get diplomatic immpunity cards


PO: "can i see your drivers license?"


GJ: "SORRY! YO CANT TOUCH THIS!! C'YA"



also check everyday,


www.nesaranews.blogspot.com



now, don foget, that yo must yooze discremant when reading dis sit.


thay mix in some bs to trow yo off. but they is nuggets in they that it troo, so yo nedd to pick out da nuggets like yo was in san franco in 1849' using a pan. just dun yoze da pan to pea in.



lolololololol

sopsback said...

sum of deese sits are so difclt to red, it like day yoze a 'code'


like whn yo tring to gift off disinfo, so dat is some nun or paster try to check yo, den yo can say; 'ho can yo bleef wha dis crazy is writtin?? it all bs see...'


it almost like when god was ritting in 'parbles' only dose wit descrement could no wah he was sayin becase day had toy let paper to whip it up wit.


an den they wash they hands of it.



same thins wit summ of deese websits, they spoke in parbles, maybe becoss they dun have any marbles becoss they lost they marbles??

sopsback said...

an den they wash they hands of it.




"see!? no chit on my hands"?



ho but yo's???


lololololololol

fireinthehole said...

"You really mean to say 20-25 years, do you not?"


Both have already served 5. Scott has 14 more to go and Kurt has 17. They both will be 64 when they get out.

sopsback said...

bee carful of sum of dose sits whaay yo put in yo infro to get contac, it coud be a bongus sit.

the ptb are now tring to TARP ppls into GIFTING up they info.


da FREEMAN camps are reddy???






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http://www.americacanbefree.com/forms/contact/results.txt

sopsback said...

yes, the ptb are putin up fake sits to TRAP ppls


sneeky batards they is.

sopsback said...

tring to gift TRAP a bad RAP


THE REESTOW AMRICA PLANT



it good fo yo.

sopsback said...

coss yo cant get 'dexcrement' unless yo drink the wholey sprite


sprite was alway none of the best sodas around. it gut dat "wholey" taste to it.

sopsback said...

as we get clothes to 2012, only dose with some model of dexcrement will be able to surfife.


and discernment dont cum from a crutch, yo must earn it da hard.


most ppls lazy, they want to walk on a crutch fo one hour a week on a someday, and they tink dat they will get dexcremints dat way..


only thins dat they will get is chit they can yoze fo they bus fair.



relly? no chit?

fireinthehole said...

"Realize that whatever there is true, noble and beautiful in the universe, it all comes from you, that you yourself are at the source of it. You are free once you understand that your bondage is of your own making and you cease forging the chains that bind you."

Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

sopsback said...

jus rember dat they will cum a time fo the BMR.


dose ho foget wha is was:



BMR = BABOONIAN MYSERY RELGION


it cumming soon


slop sayed ass much over 5 ears ago to dose ho wood lessen.


just like slop no dat the aints' wood win the stoopor bole this years.


it was a sing to dose with dexcremints...dat it be time fo the aints'


dis year, da cowboys will win the sloppor boll.


rit it down from now, dat why the soup bowl is play in big D in 2011.


2011?


they we go again wit dose 11's


first time ever to play a sopper bole in big D


slop wrote to da NFL and axe dem to play it there.

the NFL listent to slop coos he got the sprite soda.

wholey cow!!

sopsback said...

very soon, the d/j g/j will get diplomatic immpunity cards


PO: "can i see your drivers license?"


GJ: "SORRY! YO CANT TOUCH THIS!! C'YA"





slop- i dun meen to impugn yo, but yo relly gotta get a spill chick, fo wehn yo make missed steaks, she can clean it up fo yo.

they cum in hand-y dose spill chicks..a chick in hand is worth 2 in they bush, or it the udder way around? it all just teat anyways.....dat diploma ticks impugnity....


waht diploma ticks?


dose bugs yo get when gradate from collage.

sopsback said...

yea, dose spill chicks are smart...they no when yo tring to cum over on dem...then they has to whip it up...but it all good. even firefox cum with a spill chick in it.

Joseph said...

Fire in the Hole said: "Both have already served 5. Scott has 14 more to go and Kurt has 17. They both will be 64 when they get out."
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First Kurt mentioned about his hair that is getting thinner, and now this age number "64" pops up again. Some strange coincidences that reminded me of this song written so long ago:

"When I'm 64," written by the Beatles; a long song to his lover:


When I get older LOSING MY HAIR,
Many years from now.
Will you still be sending me a valentine
Birthday greetings bottle of wine.

If I'd been out till quarter to three
Would you lock the door,
Will you still need me, will you still feed me,
When I'm sixty-four.

You'll be older too,
And if you say the word,
I could stay with you.

I could be handy, mending a fuse
When your lights have gone.
You can knit a sweater by the fireside
Sunday mornings go for a ride.

Doing the garden, digging the weeds,
Who could ask for more.
Will you still need me, will you still feed me,
When I'm sixty-four.

Every summer we can rent a cottage,
In the Isle of Wight, if it's not too dear
We shall scrimp and save
Grandchildren on your knee
Vera, Chuck & Dave

Send me a postcard, drop me a line,
Stating point of view
Indicate precisely what you mean to say
Yours sincerely, WASTING AWAY,

Give me your answer, fill in a form
Mine for evermore
Will you still need me, will you still feed me,
When I'm sixty-four.

fireinthehole said...

Kurt said: "The importance of this is that once an interpretation comes out of the Supreme Court Stare Decises takes hold and even Congress has to follow suit."


Not true. If congress makes a law that is unclear, then the only thing the Supreme court can do is declare it void for vagueness, and that Supreme Court decision can be used in every case the government applies that law to. The supreme court hasn't ruled any law of Congress unconstitutional or void for vagueness since I believe the Pollock case in 1895.

If you are charged with a statute that is ambiguous or imprecise, then it is up to you to point it out and make a fuss about it, because the courts will not help you.

Joseph said...

Fire is in a hole said: "Realize that whatever there is true, noble and beautiful in the universe, it all comes from you, that you yourself are at the source of it. You are free once you understand that your bondage is of your own making and you cease forging the chains that bind you."
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I suppose that is a half truth. "Your bondage is of your own making" often times. All that is beautiful in the universe comes from God, not from oneself. If all good came from oneself, we wouldn't need God. But yet, God is "within all of us." Without His life force we would not live, nor could we live.

You are free to unleash the chains that bind you though. It has nothing to do with fate.

I'm sure "Fire in the Hole" quoted this guru to somehow suggest that Kurt & Scott's decisions are the cause of why they are in prison.

It is "honor" that brought them there, because we live in a dishonorable world and evil system.

If honor and truth is what binds them, than it's honor and truth that will set them free.

I don't see how honor and truth is a liability or some "chain" however that binds oneself.

As Notarial Dissent would say, "Nice try, but no cookie for you."

fireinthehole said...

Joseph said: "64" pops up again. Some strange coincidences that reminded me of this song written so long ago:


That's a coincidence alright.

With almost 30 million unemployed people, they'll be a lot of changes in the US and the world between now and then though.

Joseph said...

The legal encyclopedia American Jurisprudence says the following in regard to constitutionality:

The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and the name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void and ineffective for any purpose since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it; an unconstitutional law, in legal contemplation, is as inoperative as if it had never been passed ... An unconstitutional law is void. (16 Am. Jur. 2d, Sec. 178)

fireinthehole said...

"I suppose that is a half truth."

It's actually the whole truth. Your bondage is of your own making 100% of the time, but most people are not aware that they are creating their own bondage so they believe they only create their own bondage half time time.

After a person has rid themselves of all that makes them unconscious or unaware, then they will know with absolute certainty that they create their own bondage and always have... they were just unaware of it.

Joseph said...

Fire in the Hole said: "The supreme court hasn't ruled any law of Congress unconstitutional or void for vagueness since I believe the Pollock case in 1895.
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Wrong again:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_laws_has_the_US_Supreme_Court_declared_unconstitutional

Where do you get your information?

If a statute is void, than it applies to no one. If a statute is void, even Congress must recognize this, otherwise, you don't have a separation of the 3 forms of government. If Congress doesn't have to listen to the Judiciary, than Congress has more power than what was originally intended by the Constitution. Didn't you ever take a Civics class in High School? This is basic stuff.

Joseph said...

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_laws_has_the_US_Supreme_Court_declared_unconstitutional

Joseph said...

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_laws_has_the_US_
Supreme_Court_declared_
unconstitutional

Joseph said...

There's over 764 laws declared void. You said only one??????

Oh well, that's close enough for
government work. LOL

fireinthehole said...

Declaring a law unconstitutional presupposes that Congress made that law under the Constitution, but Congress has never made a law under the Constitution. Since the beginning, they have been making laws outside or over the Constitution, so the Supreme court is bluffing you when they declare a law of Congress unconstitutional - I suppose they do that to make everyone think Congress makes constitutional laws.

fireinthehole said...

There's over 764 laws declared void. You said only one??????


Then they need to make the one in Kurt's case void also, because it is.

Joseph said...

After a person has rid themselves of all that makes them unconscious or unaware, then they will know with absolute certainty that they create their own bondage and always have... they were just unaware of it.
________________________________

Look, if "wishes were fishes, we'd all have a fry."

"If frogs had wings, they wouldn't sit on their butts."

One cannot rid themselves of all things that make them unaware in this world. It's impossible for man to do this by themselves. Man is not a God.

You speak of perfection, and of knowing all things, and of "absolutes". We can't do this alone by ourselves or figure out these things on our own.

You live in an "unreal world".

Kurt & Scott were fully aware of the risks they took. They didn't care because honor and virtue & truth meant more to them. To say or imply they were "unaware" of the dangers that government could inflict upon them, is just pure poppycock. To imply that because they are in prison, they are not free or they fear time, or they CAUSED THEIR own situation, is also more of the same B.S. The government put them there, they didn't check into the prison voluntarily.

I suppose they could have done nothing at all, just like most of us do. That creates it's own prison of remorse and complacentcy. How free is that? Is that what you prefer or what you are suggesting they should have done? Of course it is. Would you love and respect them more if they "cowtowed" to the powers that be? Would they not have been in chains by ignoring their conscience and listening to you?

Joseph said...

Then they need to make the one in Kurt's case void also, because it is.
_________________________________

What in the hole of the fires of hell are you talking about?

You already made up your mind that "it was too late", remember? Their fate is sealed.

Since it's too late, since they aren't getting out until they are both 64, THERE IS NOTHING MORE FOR THEM TO DO, except wait for their social security checks. LOL

Let's at least stay consistent here.

Don't change on me now. I won't recognize who I'm talking to.

fireinthehole said...
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fireinthehole said...

"To imply that because they are in prison, they are not free or they fear time, or they CAUSED THEIR own situation, is also more of the same B.S. The government put them there, they didn't check into the prison voluntarily."
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And to say they are in prison because they DID NOT cause their own situation, is ludicrous and irresponsible. They caused it 100 percent. I can see that you have the same mentality as Kurt and Scott, so there's no point in going on about this. I can see that you need the same psychological and /or spiritual help that they need.



"You speak of perfection, and of knowing all things, and of "absolutes". We can't do this alone by ourselves or figure out these things on our own.

You live in an "unreal world".
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A person most certainly can do it alone and figure it out on their own, but most people are too lazy or have no desire to figure it out. We are responsible for our own disgrace, the deterioration of our inner being, our faculty of intelligence, and our sensibility. It's horrible, but it is also marvelous since it remains possible by going back to the source to correct one's aim.

It is YOU who lives in the "unreal world" simply because you choose to.

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Joseph said...

Fire in the Hole said: "I can see that you have the same mentality as Kurt and Scott,..."
_______________________________

Why thank-you, that's the best compliment I've had all year.

Joseph said...

We are responsible for our own disgrace,
_____________________________

Did you have someone in mind when you made this comment? If not, can I assume you were speaking about yourself through your own experience through absolute introspection?

Joseph said...

And to say they are in prison because they DID NOT cause their own situation, is ludicrous and irresponsible.
________________________________

Did Jesus cause his own crucifixion by inciting the Roman rulers attention and upsetting many of the Jewish leaders of his day?

Is this more of the irresponsibility & insensibility you speak of?

What was the "source" that Jesus turned to? Did he turn to himself for "inner absolute introspection"?

What did Jesus say in the garden of gethsemane? Wasn't it: "Father if it is possible, wilt thou remove this cup from me", but not my will, but thy will be done."

Was Jesus 100% responsible for his crucifixion? Or was THE FATHER GUILTY? And if he was, did jESUS need spiritual help too? If Jesus was 100% responsible, does it also follow that those that put him to death our 100% innocent? Was Jesus lying when he said: "Forgive them for they know not what they do."? You can't ask someone to forgive someone else, if they did nothing wrong obviously.

Was it insensible and irresponsible for Jesus to die and leave his loved ones and his family behind over all of this, his wife, his mother, his children, his friends & loved ones?

How much credit does the Devil get in our disgraces in life? If we are 100% responsible, you mean to tell me the Devil gets no credit for all his wiles and deceits and lies that bind us in chains? I think old Belzebub might argue with you on that point.
Are you suggesting that God himself is unjust sending the Devil away into the fiery pit when all things are finished & done away with? Of course you are!

taycamstu said...

"Jesus...his wife..."~that ought to fire up the fundamentalists.

Joseph said...

Marriage is quite "fundamental", but the "fundamentalists", are fundamentaly perverse & more believing in the "doctrine of devils" according to the Apostle Paul:

http://www.i4m.com/think/bible/mormon-jesus-married.htm

Joseph said...

Paul foresaw the apostasy of Christianity and warned the members of the Church concerning these events. Celibacy, among other things was a "doctrine of devils".

Now the spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; FORBIDDING TO MARRY, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. (I Tim. 4:1-3)

Joseph said...

"Celsus was a heathen philosopher; and what does he say upon the subject of Christ and his Apostles, and their belief? He says, the 'grand reason why the Gentiles and philosophers of his school persecuted Jesus Christ, was because He had so many wives; there were Elizabeth, and Mary, and a host of others that followed Him.' After Jesus went from the stage of action, the Apostles followed the example of their master. . . The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, casing his crucifixion, was evidently based on polygamy,. . .a belief in the doctrine of plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus, and his followers. We might almost think they were 'Mormons.'"
- The Apostle Jedediah M. Grant, Second Counselor to Brigham Young in the First Presidency, Journal of Discourses, Vol 1. ppl 345-346

Joseph said...

"It will be borne in mind that once on a time, there was a marriage in Cans of Galilee; and on a careful reading of that transaction, it will be discovered that no less a person than Jesus Christ was married on that occasion. If he was never married, his intimacy with Mary and Martha, and the other Mary also whom Jesus loved, must have been highly unbecoming and improper to say the best of it."
- The Apostle Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, p. 259

Joseph said...

In the Old Testament it's obvious that holy prophets and men of God had more than one wife; it was a common practice, but people say that in New Testament times that this changed.

Is that really true?
Read 1 Timothy 5: 8-17.
What is "double honor". Paul talks about "relieving the widow" and talks about "marriage", and taking a woman over 60 years old, rather than taking a younger woman for this "double honor".

"Let not a widow be taken into the number under three score years old, having been the wife of one man."

"Taken" means "chosen"

"If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them RELIEVE THEM, and let not the church be charged."

Relieve them through marrying them, so the Church doesn't have to flip the bill of financial support?

Than verse 17 talks about "double honor".

Plural marriage? In New Testament times?

'If marriage is "honorable" in all,' than double honor is........

Fill in the blanks. Take the whole chapter as a whole and read it in context, it might surprise you.

In the apocraphal book of Phillip, we read: "And Jesus OFTEN KISSED Mary upon the lips."

Was he a "player" or was he "married"?

The fundamentalists must think Jesus was a "player" if he was single or celibut.

huihuiai said...

感謝大大的無私分享 讓小弟獲益良多 終於知道網上還有這麼多的好東西≧▽≦"
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黃怡君 said...

人生匆匆-把握當下,支持鼓勵~事事如意~..................................................

fireinthehole said...

How much credit does the Devil get in our disgraces in life? If we are 100% responsible, you mean to tell me the Devil gets no credit for all his wiles and deceits and lies that bind us in chains?"


Yes, the devil gets credit for the wiles and deceits that bind us to chains. So the devil is thoroughly implanted in our consciousness. What are you going to do about it? Who is ultimately responsible for state of your consciousness, the devil or you?

If you want to know WHY the chain, WHY the deceit, WHY the ignorance, WHY the sleep, or WHY the suffering of your being you will have to do your own “seek and ye shall find” for the answers, for as I said, I not anyone’s guru.


“Whence am I? Who am I ? Whither am I? Such questions have no beginning and no end. And it is crucial to find the answers, for without a full understanding of oneself, both in time and in timelessness, life is but a dream, imposed on us by powers we do not know, for purposes we cannot grasp.” Maurice Frydman


That's all I have to say on this subject. G'night.

sopsback said...

good thins the oil is finely slop!!



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/19/AR2010081906901.html

sopsback said...

mo effing dents dat da oil is slop.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/plume-of-oil-650ft-high-found-in-gulf-waters-2057401.html

sopsback said...

guss dat i wahs rawng afta all...the iol is slop now...



i no becase i saw them ssay it on da Cuntrol News Netwrok....CNN



they even sowed sum pix of a well with no iol cummin out.


it all back to nomal now....

sopsback said...

btw, while i at it, if yo pay me $4000, i will get yo out from yo mortage too!!



yo wont haf to make any mo pays and yo will get to kep yo hous too.

sopsback said...

BMR-BABYLONIAN MISERY RELIGION (ROAMING CATLICKSISM)



...and the Beast made everyone, large and small, bond and free worship the false profit"



da false prophets dat yo made inveting in bruly baals HYPEs

sopsback said...

BE CUM A ROAMING CATLICK TODAY!!




yo, den wherver yo go, yo can lick pussy cats.



lolololololololool

sopsback said...

cum on slop,


tell yo nothing?


whay yo get all yo puns from?


yo cant be da same slop fro yars ago, can yo?


dat slop never yozed punce beefo?


slop, yo must haf none of dose 'gost ritters' dat day yoze in holywood



an every no an den, yo appers fo reel to writ sum stuff, but mose of da times, it a goosed ritter.


da reel slop wasnt dat smot wit puns.

sopsback said...

sho i am...if yo leef food on da taybul fo a long time, it becum like slop.....dat all it is, slop...



allslop, all da time....


allslop?


whay i herd dat name beefo???

sopsback said...

speeking of da Cuntrol Noose Netwack, CNN, list to dis:





Saturday, 21 August 2010 16:51

INFOWARS.COM



Google Plans To Kill Web In Internet Takeover Agenda



Paul Joseph Watson

Prison Planet.com

Thursday, August 19, 2010



The net-neutrality ending deal with Verizon is just the beginning of Google’s plans to kill the open and free Internet as part of their takeover agenda to completely control the world wide web and force independent media websites, radio and TV shows out of existence for good.



Google’s agreement with Verizon to speed certain Internet content to users opens the door to the complete sterilization of the world wide web as a force for political change. Under Google’s takeover plan, the Internet will closely resemble cable TV, independent voices will be silenced and the entire Internet will be bought up by transnational media giants.



People who want to run a simple blog will be priced out of existence, online TV and radio shows will cease to exist as the Internet is swallowed up by the corporate borg.



True net neutrality means that independent news outlets who attract an audience by telling the truth can compete on an even keel with corporate giants like ABC, CBS and CNN. The Google-Verizon pact will end that level playing field and in turn eliminate everything that is outside of the mainstream.



“A non-neutral Internet means that companies like AT&T, Comcast, Verizon and Google can turn the Net into cable TV and pick winners and losers online,” writes Josh Silver. “A problem just for Internet geeks? You wish. All video, radio, phone and other services will soon be delivered through an Internet connection. Ending Net Neutrality would end the revolutionary potential that any website can act as a television or radio network. It would spell the end of our opportunity to wrest access and distribution of media content away from the handful of massive media corporations that currently control the television and radio dial.”



The deal will also split the Internet into a two-tier system, a cyber toll road, where satisfactory speeds and service will only be obtainable by those willing to pay substantial fees.



The pact also gives Google and huge ISPs the leeway to block certain websites on wireless networks, meaning Prison Planet and Infowars will ‘go dark’ for millions of people.



Once Google’s fiercest critics have been silenced for good the company can then set about implementing its CIA-backed total information awareness program, which will scour Twitter accounts, blogs and websites for all sorts of information left by individual users, aiming to use this data to “predict the future” and completely direct and control people’s lives and behavior.



Google CEO Eric Schmidt has announced that Google, in conjunction with the CIA, is set to become the ultimate Big Brother entity that “will know so much about its users that the search engine will be able to help them plan their lives” by constantly tracking their location via smart phones and telling them where to go and what to do.



We have previously reported on Google’s intimate and long standing connections to government spy networks.



There is also no doubt that Google is one of the corporations at the forefront of the government’s drive to use cybersecurity as a pretext for killing the free Internet, having previously worked with the NSA and the CIA.



The recent scandal involving the company’s street view roaming vehicles accessing the wi-fi details of internet users and mapping their online activities has also raised serious questions over intelligence links and abuse of privacy laws.



Check back soon for quotes and screenshots from an important new video in which Alex Jones breaks down Google’s plan to kill the web and explains why it’s the end of the Internet as we know it unless we stand up now and say no.



Sincerely,



Connie conniefogal@telus.net

sopsback said...

speeking of da Cuntrol Noose Netwack, CNN, list to dis:





Saturday, 21 August 2010 16:51

INFOWARS.COM



Google Plans To Kill Web In Internet Takeover Agenda



Paul Joseph Watson

Prison Planet.com

Thursday, August 19, 2010



The net-neutrality ending deal with Verizon is just the beginning of Google’s plans to kill the open and free Internet as part of their takeover agenda to completely control the world wide web and force independent media websites, radio and TV shows out of existence for good.



Google’s agreement with Verizon to speed certain Internet content to users opens the door to the complete sterilization of the world wide web as a force for political change. Under Google’s takeover plan, the Internet will closely resemble cable TV, independent voices will be silenced and the entire Internet will be bought up by transnational media giants.



People who want to run a simple blog will be priced out of existence, online TV and radio shows will cease to exist as the Internet is swallowed up by the corporate borg.



True net neutrality means that independent news outlets who attract an audience by telling the truth can compete on an even keel with corporate giants like ABC, CBS and CNN. The Google-Verizon pact will end that level playing field and in turn eliminate everything that is outside of the mainstream.



“A non-neutral Internet means that companies like AT&T, Comcast, Verizon and Google can turn the Net into cable TV and pick winners and losers online,” writes Josh Silver. “A problem just for Internet geeks? You wish. All video, radio, phone and other services will soon be delivered through an Internet connection. Ending Net Neutrality would end the revolutionary potential that any website can act as a television or radio network. It would spell the end of our opportunity to wrest access and distribution of media content away from the handful of massive media corporations that currently control the television and radio dial.”


COT'D

sopsback said...

The deal will also split the Internet into a two-tier system, a cyber toll road, where satisfactory speeds and service will only be obtainable by those willing to pay substantial fees.



The pact also gives Google and huge ISPs the leeway to block certain websites on wireless networks, meaning Prison Planet and Infowars will ‘go dark’ for millions of people.



Once Google’s fiercest critics have been silenced for good the company can then set about implementing its CIA-backed total information awareness program, which will scour Twitter accounts, blogs and websites for all sorts of information left by individual users, aiming to use this data to “predict the future” and completely direct and control people’s lives and behavior.



Google CEO Eric Schmidt has announced that Google, in conjunction with the CIA, is set to become the ultimate Big Brother entity that “will know so much about its users that the search engine will be able to help them plan their lives” by constantly tracking their location via smart phones and telling them where to go and what to do.



We have previously reported on Google’s intimate and long standing connections to government spy networks.



There is also no doubt that Google is one of the corporations at the forefront of the government’s drive to use cybersecurity as a pretext for killing the free Internet, having previously worked with the NSA and the CIA.



The recent scandal involving the company’s street view roaming vehicles accessing the wi-fi details of internet users and mapping their online activities has also raised serious questions over intelligence links and abuse of privacy laws.



Check back soon for quotes and screenshots from an important new video in which Alex Jones breaks down Google’s plan to kill the web and explains why it’s the end of the Internet as we know it unless we stand up now and say no.



Sincerely,



Connie conniefogal@telus.net

judge allslop said...

"We need to make sure we do not go to a level where the [USGovt] deficits are dangerous." ~ Stenny Hoyer (Majority Leader of the US House of Representatives and Compromised clowns)


The United States experienced another interesting first on Wednesday. For the first time in the history of our union, the Securities and Exchange Commission brought charges against a State. The powers that be in New Jersey had been deceiving and misleading investors in regards to the fiscal well-being of the Garden State, and the SEC busted 'em. Bravo.
That's where the good news ends.
But first, according to the SEC's allegations: In 2001, New Jersey increased pension benefits for state employees without having the funds to cover new benefit expenses. For the next six years, at least, the state continued to underfund the pension system - but hid that information from municipal bond investors. On 79 separate occasions the state sold a total of $26 billion in bonds while "withholding and misrepresenting pertinent information about its financial situation," said SEC director of enforcement Robert Khuzami.
In other words, they lied so that the bonds they were selling would appear more attractive. It's classic balance sheet fraud, committed by senior state officials working for both democrat and republican governors. And the state's bond underwriters - JP Morgan, Citi, Morgan Stanley, Bank of America, Barclays, Merrill and (of course) Goldman Sachs - all probably lied too. At the very least, they all failed to conduct due diligence before vouching for the quality of the state bonds.
What's the penalty for this outright fraud? Nothing.
The State of New Jersey will pay the SEC precisely zero dollars. Not one state employee will pay a fine either, or go to jail...not even lose his job. In fact, the State didn't even have to admit wrongdoing. "New Jersey agreed to settle the case without admitting or denying the SEC's findings," calmly explains the SEC press release. Essentially, the only provision of the settlement is Jersey's promise that it won't do this in the future. That's it.
And Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan and all those other mega-banks? C'mon... They weren't even mentioned in the SEC's statement.
It's worth repeating: We're talking $26 billion in bonds sold under purposely false pretenses. This isn't some small-time phony IPO. Pretend a company like McDonald's, which has a market cap of roughly $77 billion (that's about the same value of New Jersey's pension fund system) sold $26 billion in bonds under similar guise. Heads would freaking roll. They'd be lucky to not go bankrupt.
Yet, here we are. New Jersey officials were so unfazed by the SEC settlement - the status quo was so unchanged - that they proceeded with a $2.2 billion bond sale on August 19, 2010. That's less than 24 hours after the SEC announced the results of their investigation. SEC investigators did a fine job forging into uncharted territory and exposing State fraud, but they offered literally the most toothless settlement possible.Happy investing.

judge allslop said...

As California considers the use of IOUs again, four California banks blow up the same weekend.


Sonoma Valley Bank, Sonoma, CA
Los Padres Bank, Solvang, CA
Butte Community Bank, Chico, CA
Pacific State Bank, Stockton, CA
ShoreBank, Chicago, IL
Imperial Savings & Loan Association, Martinsville , VA
Independent National Bank, Ocala, FL
Community National Bank of Bartow, Bartow, FL

sopsback said...

MISERY: BABYLON THE GRATE, MOTHER OF ALL HO'S AND OBAMANATIONS OF THE EARTH





http://www.watch.pair.com/mystery-babylon.html

sopsback said...

now, rember when like today, every nun and paster too had sum kind of remdy to sayve yo furm foclosur??


there was teh dg, and ucc process, and sue the bank for the not, etc, etc.


some like even da dg sayed that when it all done,they wood get yo and "allodial title"



well, lately i got into dis hapit of pullin apart words to get their organs from whay they cum from...


like da word 'parole' cum from da latin/eyetalian word:

to give your 'word'

parole = word

so when yo get out da can, yo give yo 'word' dat yo will be a good boy from now on.

actually, parole is eyetalian for words, plural

'parola' is singular


so now we cum to the subject, 'allodial title'


well, wehn yo brake it down, it cum like dis:


"allo" in eyetalian/latin means ruffly equivalent to "according to"


"-dial"

lat., "dios" = GOD

so if/when yo ever get an allodial title fo yo house/property, then noone can dispute it, becase teh ownership is now 'according to the word of GOD"

EOS


yo own it now fo reel.

if god sayed it, then da ishyo is close.



allodial = according to the word of god


allo-dios

judge allslop said...

But Why the Cover Up?
Same as always. It’s the elite mindset, we the people "can’t handle the truth”. What they really mean is, they don’t want us to be empowered by the knowledge of the truth. we know the “mad scientist” stereotype is anything but far-fetched. Tinkering with nature seems to be the norm with genetic engineering, chemical food adulteration and electronic and warfare sciences in full swing. So why not the same with those exploiting the earth’s resources? It’s the norm to the conscienceless corporate state and its controllers. Would you put the careless boy playing with matches in charge of the investigation and firefighting? The US government did, giving BP full sway in all things related.

Senior U.S. scientist rescinds previous claim that 3/4 of oil from spill is gone, says most is still there
Thursday, August 19th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
Monica Lawrence

WASHINGTON, D.C. (BNO NEWS) – A senior U.S. government scientist on Thursday admitted that three-quarters of the oil that was released into the Gulf of Mexico after BP’s Deepwater Horizon spill was still there, contradicting his earlier claim that the worst of the spill had passed, the Guardian reported. Bill Lehr, senior scientist at the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), presented a radically different picture than the one the White House had presented to the public earlier this month. He contradicted his own reports from two weeks ago that suggested that the majority of the oil had been captured or broken down. “I would say most of that is still in the environment,” Lehr told the House energy and commerce committee.

冰微 said...

友誼能增進快樂,減少痛苦......................................................................

judge allslop said...

冰微 said...
友誼能增進快樂,減少痛苦.........................................................
Caution, US voter in deep thought.

sopsback said...

ah so.....ha so.....yea, i agree ah so.....

judge allslop said...

DANNY ROSS FOR PRESIDENT.
Nawh he would be too f#@%*in honest for the job.


BILOXI, Mississippi, Aug 21, 2010 (IPS) - The U.S. state of Mississippi recently reopened all of its fishing areas. The problem is that commercial shrimpers refuse to trawl because they fear the toxicity of the waters and marine life due to the BP oil disaster. "We come out and catch all our Mississippi oysters right here," James "Catfish" Miller, a commercial shrimper in Mississippi, told IPS. Pointing to the area in the Mississippi Sound from his shrimp boat, he added, "It's the only place in Mississippi to catch oysters, and there is oil and dispersants all over the top of it."
The goal was to prove to the public that their fishing grounds are contaminated with both oil and dispersants. Their method was simple – they tied an absorbent rag to a weighted hook, dropped it overboard for a short duration of time, then pulled it up to find the results. The rags were covered in a brown oily substance that the fishermen identified as a mix of BP's crude oil and toxic dispersants.
IPS watched Miller and Stewart conduct eight tests in various places around Mississippi Sound. One of them was less than a quarter mile from the mouth of Pass Christian Harbor, and another was less than one mile from a public beach. Every single test found the absorbent rags stained with brown oil.
"I don't want people to get sick," Danny Ross, a commercial fisherman from Biloxi told IPS, "We want the government and BP to have transparency with the Corexit dispersants."
"We don't feel our seafood is safe, and we demand more testing be done," Wallis told IPS. "I've seen crabs crawling out of the water in the middle of the day. This is going to be affecting us far into the future."
"A lot of fishermen feel as we do. Most of them I talk to don't want the season opened, for our safety as well as others," Wallis added, "Right now there's barely any shrimp out there to catch. We should be overloaded with shrimp right now. That's not normal. I won't eat any seafood that comes out of these waters, because it's not safe."

sopsback said...

slop,


it like yo gut esp-n?


maybe yo can get a job wit da jus us dept.

they lookin fo ppls ho can speeky yo bomics.

-----------------------------



The Smoking Gun has a grand read - not to be missed - "Justice Department Seeks Ebonics Experts: DEA wants "Black English" linguists to decipher bugged calls".


http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/bizarre/justice-department-seeks-ebonics-experts

Joseph said...

Court cases where the banks got their butts kicked:

http://www.myprimarytradelines.info/instant_modification.html

Usually the fact is they can't provide the necessary documentation to foreclose. They usually win by bluff and fear of the borrower.

sopsback said...

"We're seeing way more dispersant than ever before" - Large, thick oil plumes, freshly sprayed with poison! ~ link ~ The reason for this is that the oil is STILL GUSHING. They have NOT stopped the flow, it is now coming out of the seabed in many locations over several miles. Adding more dispersants just hides the problem, but what it really does is dooms the planet as all this seafloor oil cannot be cleaned up and it is continuing to kill the warm water current that keeps us from going into a new Ice Age. They can sit on this story for a little while, but the world's climates are already getting crazy (104F in Moscow; flooding in Central Europe and large parts of Asia; bitter cold in South America; etc.). They cannot stop this story from getting out. And when the masses of people realize that Obama and BP have set in motion something that is apt to kill them and their families ....there will be pure raw hell to pay!

sopsback said...

sum nun said...
(or paster)



The reason for this is that the oil is STILL GUSHING. They have NOT stopped the flow, it....




good thins they slop the oil yet??


i was stratin' to get worry that we is relly gonna be fu*ked pretty soon.


good thins it slop.


i no becase i wash CNN, the Cuntrolled Noose Netwack....


lolololololoooollll!!!

sopsback said...

yea, i luk it up in goggle.


a Cuntrolled Noose is when put da noose around yo neck an titten verrry slllooowwwwllly, like they doon wit da oil leak

sopsback said...

yo thk dat they wil ever slop da oiul frum cumming out??


dun wrory, by 2012 it will be all slop by then...


everthins will be all slop by then, even da oil.


nothin will be runnin then.

sopsback said...

And when the masses of people realize that Obama and BP have set in motion something that is apt to kill them and their families ...
\




dun worry bout nuttin...da asses will neva reelize anthins....they just dum mofos and they be gonna stay dum mofos all they lifes....they reserve wha they get...


they still bleef the govt. is good fo dem...fu*k e'm then. let them bleef in da govt ho is tring to kill they all they famleess.

sopsback said...

only chance yo haf is to join RAP and reestow the public.


once yo join RAP, yo will haf asses to yo minister remdy, yo berth certifat an get yo money.


dun bleef it, wha i can i tell yo?


and yo will also haf diploma impugnity fo yo high school when yo was skoking weeds.

yo can drive w/o a lye scents...who!! dat stuff snmell badd.........

sopsback said...

in a foo daze it be 5 moths now.


tell me nothin?


did they slop the oil yet??


no?

ok, ill cum back in 2012.


maybe it will be slop by then?

Joseph said...

Has the State of FL been evacuated yet?

fireinthehole said...

It's possible. Call down there and find out.

judge allslop said...

Only the very ignorant with red white and blue stamped on their forehead are in denial.We no longer have a Govt, its a crime syndicate run by the Jewish mafia.


Hedge Fund Manager Dan Loeb: "The Whole System Is Rigged"
Posted Aug 31, 2010 12:48pm EDT by Courtney Comstock
Provided by the Business Insider, August 31, 2010:

Apparently everyone’s forwarding around the powerful message in hedge fund manager Dan Loeb’s most recent letter to investors.
The message, from the number of chunks of quotes Dealbook pulls out of Loeb’s letter is: I don’t trust the government to do what’s best for the economy, so I’m pulling out of companies that could be impacted by public policy.
Third Point’s most recent investment strategy reflects Loeb’s belief that banks, healthcare, and for-profit education companies are "overly exposed to unpredictable government regulation."
In the startling conclusion, Loeb says:
“It is easy to see why so many people have concluded that the entire system is rigged.”

judge allslop said...

China's top central banker has disappeared from sight. You can be sure the people who run the Chinese central bank will not buy many more US Treasuries.
Yes, this statement speaks to the Chinese rating of US Treasury investments, a definite downgrade that Moody’s and Standard and Poors dare not make.This will lead to the Weimar republic of 1923.No its not a hot dog stand in lower Manhattan.


Japan debt safer than U.S. debt: China economist
By Simon Rabinovitch and Aileen Wang
Posted 2010/08/11 at 7:42 am EDT

BEIJING, Aug. 11, 2010 (Reuters) — China has been buying record amounts of Japanese government debt because it is less risky than U.S. debt, at least in the short term, a Chinese government economist said on Wednesday.
Investing in Japanese bonds is safer because so much of the country’s debt is held domestically, and the yen is on course to strengthen further, said Zhang Ming, an economist with the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, a top government think-tank. "Even though the difference in yields is big, China has been abandoning U.S. debt and picking up Japanese debt. This definitely shows that it believes the risks of U.S. debt far exceed those of Japanese debt," Zhang said in a report issued by his research institute. The report was issued a day after the Federal Reserve said it would buy more U.S. government debt in a form of mild quantitative easing to counter economic weakness.
Top Chinese leaders have previously registered their concerns about lax U.S. fiscal policies eroding the value of their investments in the United States.

judge allslop said...

When the oversight agency's are manned by crime syndicate personal, this is a no brainer.


No Charges for Moody’s in Ratings Violation
By EDWARD WYATT
Published: August 31, 2010

WASHINGTON — The Securities and Exchange Commission said Tuesday that it had declined to charge Moody’s Investors Service for violating securities laws by failing to comply with its own procedures for rating complex derivative securities in 2007.
The decision followed an S.E.C. investigation, and the commission used the opportunity to warn all of the national credit rating agencies that it would use new powers under the Dodd-Frank banking law to take action against similar conduct, even if it occurred outside the United States, as the Moody’s case did.
The S.E.C. said it had declined to pursue a fraud enforcement action in the case because of jurisdictional issues. The securities in question originated in and were rated and sold in Europe, the S.E.C. said.
The action by the commission comes two years after the beginning of a financial crisis caused in part by widespread losses on mortgage-related derivative securities that had been rated highly by national credit ratings agencies, including Moody’s. Though the credit rating agencies have come under criticism over their role in the financial crisis, they have not been the subject of major enforcement actions by securities regulators.
Moody’s disclosed the inquiry in May, saying that the S.E.C. had warned that it might sue the firm for making “false and misleading” statements as part of its application as a nationally recognized statistical rating organization, known in S.E.C. parlance by the initials N.R.S.R.O.

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