Tuesday, August 23, 2005

“Learning From My Mistakes”

Case # 05-09461 CA24
Coradin Family Trust
Acceptance Denied For Cause

Today I received a lawsuit Merrill Lynch for the Coradin Family Trust. The acceptance of which was denied by me. Let explain something clearly to you because you may need to understand these things to protect yourself in my absence. Merrill and Dorean have already reached an agreement, a stipulation. They have now hired a professional arguer to trespass upon that settlement. Remember these are the same people who used contract law to defraud you of your home; they are pros! The lawsuit is nothing more than an offer to renegotiate the settlement. I chose not to reopen negotiations and therefore my response was "Acceptance Denied For Cause Without Dishonor" my cause was a completed contract. The law firm is perpetrating a fraud upon the court in an attempt to give a judge discretion to choose between two brats fighting. I have not given the judge subject matter jurisdiction and left all parties exposed to the liability of their fraud. This is fully explained on the soon to be available educational DVD’s and makes for further justification you to have this valuable tool. Early this year I hired an attorney to bring our truth before the court. Most of my current troubles are a byproduct of this action. I inherited judge Alsup who used his presumption as fact and his imagination as a memorandum of law. Even when I withdrew he could not let go, as he wanted to rule regardless of jurisdiction. Any good boxer recalculates his strategy after being hit. I learn fast! These bastard children who have forgotten who birthed them must be made obsolete by us handling our affairs without discretion. Every bank, bar none of the 3000 plus settled with me in the same manner as Merrill. That is why if they can’t destroy us we will always have remedy against their fraud. To be continued…

180 comments:

Ace said...

Said the spider to the fly!!!

Justice7777777 said...

Huh?!?!? Nice ramblings.

Fle and Guy = 10 years easy.

WillToFight said...

Ace and socalled just-us666, you two are exactly why people lose, and the elite win.

What is it, do you want to be like them at the exclusion of others.

One day when you wake up and it is just-us! you will get my drift as they come after you!

If you are here to attempt to help, stay. If not go somewhere else and spew you vinomous, contempt for people attempting to help people, the citizen.

Just-us 666, since you enjoy giving out names. Why don't you give yours.

WillToFight said...

Just-us666, you must be one of those that joined this process out of greed instead of the realization that this is bigger than all of us, that change must come.

You cannot see the destructive nature of what is on the horizon for this system. Or you see and want to perpetuate it's end because you think then it will be Just-us (you and yours).

You and your are not safe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Flunky!

WillToFight said...

Aacce(ass) are you a spider?

WillToFight said...

Notice of Protest,

Objection,

and

Reservation of Natural Rights.

Penumbra Doctrine

Idiot Flunkys!!!! That is whats being discussed in the comment!

Study To show thyself approved. The righteous man need not be ashamed. Righteously dividing the
words of Truth!!!!

But why should Pearls be tossed to swine like Just-us666 or Aaaccce =(assfacenothingtowhipitoffwith)

imbigo said...

Ride on my friend Ride on Goodnite!!!!

BIG "O" 1+1+1=1

gotlight said...

Just for the record, this is not an attack on anyone. It's just me sharing my situation and wondering what to do.

Kurt said:
"Every bank bar none of the 3000 plus settled with me in the same manner as Merrill. That is why if they can’t destroy us we will always have remedy against their fraud."

Q: What does this mean, Kurt? If every bank has settled with you, then why are you still in the Graybar Hotel?

Kurt said:
"Let explain something clearly to you because you may need to understand these things to protect yourself in my absence. …This is fully explained on the soon to be available educational DVD’s and makes for further justification you to have this valuable tool."

Unfortunately, it is too late for me to protect myself in your absence. There is a scheduled hearing to confirm the foreclosure sale of my house. My house sold for more than the bank wanted from me but they want to keep the surplus.

I am now homeless, destitute, and extremely distressed. Although, I believe in your concept to fight for the truth regarding the mortgage industry's fraud on homebuyers, I am not as astute as you are to defend myself in court. I am a woman near retirement age and I am totally defenseless and confused.

Is there any message of hope for those of us who are in the midst of foreclosure and inevitable eviction from our home?

By the way, this is not the end of my distress. I still have another lawsuit to deal with that is accusing you and me of perpetrating a scam. I haven't found a lawyer to take the case.

Do you still think you can expect to win the battle against a powerful $4 trillion dollary industry especially when there are people like me who are not as knowledgeable and articulate as you in court? I mean, I might say or do something in court that may injure what you are trying to do for all of us.

Starfish Prime said...

Everything Kurt says is true pertaining to contract law and bank fraud. Tell me then people..when we ask for a copy of a promissory note you get a copy back with your signature but the word NOTE (which was there at closing) has been changed to MORTGAGE at the top of the "note"..hmmm... could it be that the ORGINAL was stamped "Pay to the order of: Justice777777??" who knows....

somethings fishy..and it ain't me.

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tcob247 said...

willtofight said....."Just-us666, you must be one of those that joined this process out of greed instead of the realization that this is bigger than all of us, that change must come."

If you are Farrel then you should be one to talk.
You are all about the greed. ie: refinance and put money in your pocket

And then laughing at people telling them you bought a new Rolls Royce while living in a posh gated community.

Some of that money is from GotLight who is now out of her house thanks to you shysters

livinginxs said...

Kurt is rambling because of his dry fast. What is the day count?

Oh by the way things are not as though they appear - which you can find out the true story on my dvd for only $70. Act Now before they sell out.

Kurt,
I have to give you props - even in the darkest hour you can still churn a buck. I am going to purchase a set just to help you out.

Cant we help raise you some more cash to get you a quallifed lawyer and post bail - so you can complete the task at hand?

princess said...

TCOB,
YOU ARE A STUPID FUCK!!!!!!I guess you think that everyone who posts on this blog is Farrel right? And where in the hell did you ever get the information that he has a Rolls Royce and lives in a posh community. For your info ASSHOLE, just because a community is gated does not mean it is "POSH", most of the comm. in Houston are gated you IDIOT. He does not drive a RR and has never said that he did. Get you facts straight. I have sat here and read your bullshit, seems to me like you only absorb half of everything you read and hear. And another thing you dont have to pay for Kurts info ASSHOLE, once the website is up, it is free to you.

whataboutjere said...

Starfish Prime, where did you get this information from?

"Collateral Estopple being purchased overseas...wow looks like Dorean clients are gonna get about $250,000.00 in phase 1 of the process...then 10 times the amount of the mortgage in phase two. Wohooo..

Wish I was a client......

I'll just sue the bastards..

NAH. I'm rich.

Well not really.

WHAT?"

Solvo said...

Fudd-Pucker/tcob/et al,

I guess everyone of the clients on here and everywhere else are CCR's as well, heh ass-wipe?

I guess the other 15 brokers don't account for any of the 3000+ clients, because CCR has a monopoly on the process.

Take advice from Princess and go figure out how not to be a "stupid fuck"

truthtooth said...

All:

Kurt is rambling because he is full of Sh#@#@!

Why are you poor people still asking this guy for advise> He is a con artist that got you into this mess. This is like asking the rapest to drive you to the police station and then the hoispital>

Wake up!

He is saying nothing because he has nothing to say.

And those of you who keep looking down on people for getting into this because they thought that they would get a free house and 30% of the value in cash, take a look at the sales websites and tell me that that is not exactley how these scammers draw them in?

And for those that say the nay sayers are not trying to help people, I say that if someone reads a nay sayer comment and runs from these guys then we have helped them more than the foolerers.

They_and_or_Them said...

Why does everyone have to be so crude and rude in their posts?

If I wanted to listen to profanity, I'd go turn on network TV

Does anyone know: what is the web address of the Dorean site that will be showing the So Called "Educational Info"? And other than soon,,, when will it start showing?

tcob247 said...

Gayprincess.....who rattled your cage?
Willtofight gave an inkling in a post that he might be Fle.
I never said he was you fucking moron. Why don't you learn to read.
I said "IF"

Another thing. Farrel himself on a number of occasions said he lived in a posh gated community. He also said he was going to buy a Rolls Royce or a Mercedes. He treats people who sent in money like shit.So wake up you motherfucking idiot.
Do you know him personally asswipe?

livinginxs said...

come on - do you really think there will be a website?? They can not even keep the one they have now up.

fle drives a new benz and his community is so so. you can plug his adress in on the web and get a general value of his home if you really care.

as for the collateral estopple - if dad (dr. fred) had 3 solid offers - why not just take one - any one and make us belivers???

if the offers are from doug cameron then I dont think they are ligt. read about him and his partner shaynn heffernan helping their other investors.

Kurt - had a great idea and is right in theroy, but CCR sold this bill of goods as proven. Clear title to your home in 35 days & the banks are better off with the bond only a small percentage of the banks exibit "bad behavior". They are the ones that pumped this thing up - they throw the fuel on the clients - they should have stopped taking clients a long time ago around 500 - when they couldnt get any completed. They just kept pushing for more sales, the greedy bastards.

Dr.Fred - this guy is just protecting his son - he can not even respond to email.

So, they have a staff of 8 to 10 what are they doing, no email, no phone, no web site, no communication what so ever. And what was up with Kurt trying to take his old building?? Still cant figure that out.

So a new web site - I doubt it.

Hey we could all make our money back selling the credit repair & maybe Guy can hook us up with some of his vitimins.

The only good thing out of this is that it shut fle up.

livinginxs said...

For those who care - here it is. I would say middle class - not posh.

You can get a picture off realtor.com


Sold Date: October 08, 2004
Price Range: $375000 - 450000
Zip Code: 77339
Tax ID.: 121-225-001-0020-000 (Click to View Tax Data)
Bedrooms: 3
Baths: 3 /1 Half Bath
Bldg. Sqft: 2,844 per BUILD
Lot Size:
Year Built: 2003 per BUILD

WillToFight said...

living-jinx cause that is what your acting out!

I was going along with some of what you said, it made sense. You have a right to speak. When you begin to post persons personal information up, this is where we part.

Your acting out your name! Jinx a hex, bad magic!

You attempt to doubt everything! Why did you join. OK, you were sold by CCR on this process?

Remember there were many other brokers out there! CCR is still going and around to answer up to what ever is coming.

A fraud would have left everyone to drown! Think about that!

No ONE NEEDS TO CONTINUE TO TAKE THE BLUNT OF ALL THIS NEGATIVE BLOG, ESP. IF THEY WHERE TRULY ATTEMPTTING TO FRAUD YOU!

Noone has to stick around for this if they already have the money as many has implied!

Calm down, hang in there. We can get this done. Everyone needs to begin to pull together, i.e. those who are truly for this process.

The rest of you ASSWIPES need to butt out! Quit listening to Just-us666 or Ace=Aaaasss, Blowfishprimefuckface, Neodemeneassfacelift, et al.

This is a pioneering, evolutionary process folks!

To the Good Fight!

WillToFight said...

Taco Bell the Judis! That is why princess jumped you!

Your a quitter, a whimp and possibly a plant!

WillToFight said...

Living-Jinx

You are not seeing why it has become difficult to contact anyone. You did hear of the TRO
right!

The way you people are acting here, you can't trust anyone to be who they say they are.

So what the man drives a Mercedes. He had a job before and during this process.

CCR paid out to agents 12% of it's income. Talk to your agent.

I could certainly talk with mine. He did very well in my case. I have not attempted to blame him for anything that I would even think about posting on this site.

Figure it out dope???????

tcob247 said...

willtofight said....."A fraud would have left everyone to drown! Think about that!"

LOL, what do you think just about everyone is doing? Money spent for zero services, foreclosures, Dorean Offices not answering phones.

I'd call that drowning, but nobody said you were too bright.

Your name should be "willtobebright"

princess said...

Thank You Willtofight!
People like TCOB just piss me off. They just show their ingnorence. You can lease a Mercedes for $500 per month. Which does not mean you are living "the posh life". FLE does have a job and how do you know what kind of money his wife makes TCOB? The bottom line is you no nothing and you make that clear time and time again. One final thing: Why would anyone care to look and see where FLE lives? What is wrong with you people? Pathetic!

Elmer Fudd said...

Fuckin dorean scum...First off Solvo You suck and are full of shit. Second all kurt keeps doing is rambling crap that "NONE OF HIS CLIENTS WANT TO HEAR" They want solid info on how they can get out of their mess!! And then you have the balls to charge them 70 somewhat dollars to do it themselves are you fucking kidding me! Dr Fred your full of shit as well, you are and alwayls will be a scammer just like your no good son and the day will come when you get your just desserts along with the rest of these bozo's, Farrel, Guy etc.

truthtooth said...

WillToFight:

Still can't let go of the dream? Free house, cash in pocket...

Oh no, this is about changing the world. Let's get those evil banking bastards because we want to save america. While we are at it we will charge $4,500 dollars from the people that we scam and then talk them into going back to the evil bankers and doing it again and giving us 70% of the re-fi.

We are agents for change, no better yet agents from God. We put it all on the line for nothing except maybe $50 million in stolen cash.

We are DG the whistleblowers, agents for the people.

The nay sayers may be asswipes but your a dunb ass.

Solvo said...

Fudge-Packer,

You are the one who was caught in a lie red-handed yesterday, so blow me, fuck-face!

Elmer Fudd said...

Solvo said...
Fudge-Packer,

You are the one who was caught in a lie red-handed yesterday, so blow me, fuck-face!
lol what are you talking about idiota?

Solvo said...
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whataboutjere said...

Starfish Prime, where did you get this information from?

"Collateral Estopple being purchased overseas...wow looks like Dorean clients are gonna get about $250,000.00 in phase 1 of the process...then 10 times the amount of the mortgage in phase two. Wohooo..

Wish I was a client......

I'll just sue the bastards..

NAH. I'm rich.

Well not really.

WHAT?"

tcob247 said...

Sounds like some real satisfied customers in here...

Princessgay6969....if it's no big deal to own a mercedes and live in a posh house, then why does Farrel brag about it all the time???

Answer that one you loser.

So we piss you off huh?

I'll tell you what pisses me off...

To be lied to on a grand scale.
$4,500....lose control of your house, wasted trip to Vegas.

Yup I did all those. My fault. But it sure was done based on their fucking lies

newyorklife said...

Always someone else's fault, heh cry baby?

I guess that's part of your multiple personality disorder and your wonderful ability to grasp half of everything you read and hear. You've proven that on this board, which goes against other posts that people stated clearly that this process was not going to be an easy one. Do I need to research that posts for you to show what kind of moron you continue to exhibit yourself to be?

livinginxs said...

that was my point - fle is living modestly - not some high roller living the big life.

my agent is great - but has no info for me - he let me know up front that he did not know anyone personnaly that had completed the program - just what he got from ccr. I think they went to far in their advertising of the program. If you have 500 test cases and run into problems - you fix them first before moving ahead.

I have no illregrets - I believe in the long run this will work out - if nothing else it was like a $4500 learning experience.

I am not sure about the brokers at TDG, but the agents at ccr have had little to no access for information for their clients - even before the TRO.

fle - just responds to radical for my personal taste, but I DO NOT think he is living off the clients money!

I do not think any of CCR or TDG is living off the money - the money was in the back end which I dont believe that very many went to that stage.

I just think that Kurt and Scott should do what they have to to post bail and do their work from the outside. I do not understand the point of staying in the big house esp. Scott who has a family at home. Are his family members still in support of his decission? Is his house still free & clear??

They need to get the TRO removed so they can get back to work and fix this.

It was my own greed that put me here - not that of CCR or TDG. I thought what a great way to get rid of a $5000 a month payment 29 years early.

Maybe I was wrong to post fle house - but they are the ones who taught us how to get the info. I did not mean any harm and did not put his address out - although we all have it.

I hope in the end he will be able to live in a posh community and drive a roll's, I hope we all can - if that is what you want.

newyorklife said...

tcob247,

Choke on this, loser!

Common Sense said...
A touch of Common Sense

5. TDG and CCR firmly states that before you get into this process, it won’t be easy, it’s going to be a war. DO YOUR DO DILIGENCE!!! Scam or not we had a choice.

newyorklife said...

livininxs,

At least you are brave enough to be honest, and your post clarifies your previous post.

tcob247,

Take lessons, ass-wipe!

tcob247 said...

look you fuck ass newyorkwife.....I knew it would not be easy but......I was also LIED to.

10% of the banks are misbehaving.
Correction. 100%

Banks will accept the bond because it is for twice the amount
Correction. 0 accepted

Put cash in your pocket with a refi
Correction. 0 in pocket

Over 1000 success with free and clear mortgages
Correction. A piece of paper filed at courthouse with the worth of toilet paper


How's that for research you asshole new yorker?

truthtooth said...

newyorklife:

Your point is that if someone is stupid enough to believe a con artist then they deserve to be screwed?

Solvo said...

livinginxs,

Not everyone has alwasy had above average experiences with fle including myself, but it could be a lot worse. What about the THOUSAND plus clients who came in under another broker who headed for the hills when the heat started.

At lease fle is staying involved with his clients and has even been preparing quit claims for them as well.

newyorklife said...

tcob247,

Let me take this one at a time:

"I knew it would not be easy but......I was also LIED to."

response: "but" putting the blame on someone else.

"10% of the banks are misbehaving.
Correction. 100%"

response: well the number of clients changed from 0 to 3000+ and as new data became available, the numbers were adjusted to reflect that. Why wait until things got where they are today to first start to cry foul? You were obviously a CCR client from way back when to quote those figures, thus why wait until "a couple of weeks ago" to get out as you stated previously?

"Banks will accept the bond because it is for twice the amount
Correction. 0 accepted"

response: The banks could have carried the bond if they wanted to, but it is CLEARLY stated on the calls that "we cannot predict the bad behavior of the banks", and as an agent this was relayed to my clients and potential ones.

"Put cash in your pocket with a refi
Correction. 0 in pocket"

response: Thank God! You don't deserve shit! You are here for the wrong reason, GREED, and when it doesn't work out, it's everyone else's fault, heh?

"Over 1000 success with free and clear mortgages
Correction. A piece of paper filed at courthouse with the worth of toilet paper"

response: If title wasn't clear, how come have their been successful re-fi's? HINT: There are still companies willing to issue title TODAY.

"How's that for research you asshole new yorker?"

response: Your motives are clear. Thanks.

Elmer Fudd said...

response: If title wasn't clear, how come have their been successful re-fi's? HINT: There are still companies willing to issue title TODAY.

"How's that for research you asshole new yorker?"

response: Your motives are clear. Thanks.
There's not one person who came forward with a successful completion of this process!! You are an idiot New York and your lying your ass off to save face for your scamming buddies. Why Hans't "JUST ONE PERSON CAME FORWARD" That's completed this process. Because it's Bogus just like You Are and Dorean and the offices and all your bullshit. Tell you what Give me proof of one person who has done it and i will leave this Blog forever! C'mon put up or shut up.

truthtooth said...

newyorklife:

You said...
response: The banks could have carried the bond if they wanted to, but it is CLEARLY stated on the calls that "we cannot predict the bad behavior of the banks", and as an agent this was relayed to my clients and potential ones.

So you have clients? Then it should be easy to answer Fudd's challange. Surely you have at least one person that benifited from this scam besides yourself?

livinginxs said...

The guy from RI, ken I believe is his name - I got an invite for his conf. call last night. He said the problem with the foreclosure (or at least the majorty of them) is due to the re-fi's & the first mortgage company going after them because they stopped making payments. Any truth to this??

Why are there so many in this position if it is not the case? Or did the clients just stop making payments altogether - which everyone was advised not to do.

newyorklife said...

Believe what you want. If I profited from a re-fi, then that means a client of mine would have profited by actually re-financing.

truthtooth said...

newyorklife:

If the bank process is so corrupt and evil then why go back to them for a re-fi?

tcob247 said...

me to new york
Give me proof

I will leave

If they had one, they would spread it all over. Look at this success they would say.

you don't have one and neither do they

If by some outside chance someone got one....I'll guarantee they will be making 2-4 martgage payments cause it's not "free and clear"

By the way fuck face. I wasn't there for the re-fi. I just wanted to be free and clear
CCR was the one bragging about cash in your pocket....so who were the greedy ones

Let's get that straight

Why do you defend those scammers?

Are you one of them?

Are you Guy who lives in an apartment and has nothing at risk?

Elmer Fudd said...

newyorklife said...
Believe what you want. If I profited from a re-fi, then that means a client of mine would have profited by actually re-financing.

Give us one person that has completed this process. Stop ducking the question. If you want us naysayers to stop all of this hate saying, we'll I for one will shutup and leave and even apologize if you can prove from what dorean states that there are free and clear titles floating around...Let's go show me the proof? DR Fred, Guy, Farrel Care to step up?

tcob247 said...

silence

imbigo said...

toothless...

If $3000 or $4500 broke you, you should of stayed out of this process and invested your money more wisely. Granted: (I do fill for those idividuals who were told to stop making payments and got too far behind to catch up!!! )

I guess I was Blessed to get in when I did. I'm able to keep making my payments and go along to see what the ends going to be.

Why continue to bash Kurt and Scoot? either from for this process are your not, I think you people are waisting you time insulting each other, if you dont like whats going on SHUT UP SIT BACK AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS!!!

imbigo said...

*** either your for the precess are your not*****

Elmer Fudd said...

imbigo said...
toothless...

Why continue to bash Kurt and Scoot? either from for this process are your not, I think you people are waisting you time insulting each other, if you dont like whats going on SHUT UP SIT BACK AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS!!!
Who's insulting who. Practice what you preach.

newyorklife said...

tcob247,

if all you wanted was a "free and clear" property, you shouldn't have enrolled in the process, dumbass.

The outline clearly states that the refinance is part of the process, so don't try to blow smoke up everyone's ass, because you knew AHEAD of time this was a step.

tcob247 said...

hey newyorkwipe
You conveniently didnt give us the name of anyone who has gone through the process
Way to duck it
quack quack

imbigo said...

toothtruth....

I apologise, I mis spelled you name please forgive me, but you get the point!!!

newyorklife said...

I'm not giving out any names. Seek and you shall find, greed bastard.

BTW, I've got something for you to quack those lips on. It's hanging between my legs.

I don't live in New York either moron. I work on an insurance company, dumbass. But go ahead and keep thinking I'm Guy, Farrel, Dr. Fred, etc., dumbass.

tcob247 said...

LOLOLOLOL....you arent givig out names because YOU DONT HAVE ANY
Asshole

Whats that between your legs?
A dildo?

Let me get the microscope out

An insurance salesman huh

You are not smart enough to be guy farrel or fred

You could sell them a policy though.
Got anything to keep them out of jail?

Remember....there is no one who has gone through the process totally and making no payments

You are truly an idiot no mater where you live

newyorklife said...

Whatever you say, sweetie. Until I say something about where I live I'm Guy the renter, but now I'm too stupid.

You are a dilusional idiot. Thank god you are not part of this process. Fle has always gotten annoyed fairly quickly by certain types, and offended them in the process. Now I see why you have a "hard-on" for him!

Elmer Fudd said...

Hey Marcia what about you? Are you full of shit like the rest of them? Since your the leader of the So called CCR offices why don't you answer the simple question. Since your bosses are to afraid to say no one has, why don't you show us naysayers some proof? Or just tell the truth.

Solvo said...

Fudge-Packer,
When did CCR retain offices? This is news to me. Or are you the one full of shit?

Elmer Fudd said...

Opps Dorean offices. My Mistake Now answer the fucking question douche bag and stop ducking.

Elmer Fudd said...

Actually Farrell does have an office, but my presumption it would probaly be a P.o Box just for picking up money.

livinginxs said...

It could be a lot worse - what was the most you could lose $4,500 & you did get a trust out of it - that should cost about $1,500. If you stopped making your payments you still should have been saving the money - just in case untill you were all the way through the proccess.

Is there anyone that did re-fi and now has to pay back both??

What is Kurt and Scotts bail?? anyone know?

If this does tank - maybe the money the govt seized will be returned to the clients - my agent offed back his commission - but I said no.

tcob247 said...

newyorkdildo....your lips are still flapping but you are still ducking

Maybe there is no one

You would think out of all those thousands there would be one lone soul who was successful

Livingnxcess

Yes there was a trust....it wasnt worth the paper it was written on either

I tried to call the company that wrote it

Guess what

phone disconeccted

tcob247 said...

farrel said he quit his job and got an office to run CCR full time.
Wonder what he is doing now?

Elmer Fudd said...

Driving in his Benz around his gated community Lmao...Guess that beats selling vitamins..Almost threw up my dinner laughing so hard.

complainers suck said...

tcob247, i never did see your answer to this question....

"Why wait until things got where they are today to first start to cry foul? You were obviously a CCR client from way back when to quote those figures, thus why wait until "a couple of weeks ago" to get out as you stated previously?"

Elmer Fudd said...

Still ducking the question..Hey Tcob why answer their shit when they don't answer anybody else's. Hey Marcia i know your there come on lady show yourself.

Elmer Fudd said...

1000 free and clear titles to date...Get the fuck outta here ya lying sacks of shit. You proved nothing and answered absolutely nothing either to back up your claim. Dorean Group are scammers and the people who believe in them after all this are stupid and naive.

complainers suck said...

With the language most of you use on this board, is gives you zero in the credibility department in my book, and probably 95% of the others here.

Think about it, "gentlemen".

tcob247 said...

complainerssuckyourself.

Not ducking anything my good man

I've been complaining for 8 months.
This forum hasnt been around very long dickwad.

Also....it took me three fucking months to get my quit Claim Deed.
Lots of phone calls....e-mails and verbal abuse by Farrel.
Great customer service. I gave my house to assholes. Never again. Expensive lesson learned.

OK fuckhead I answered your question (which I was never trying to duck) now answer mine.

Bet you won't.
#1 you can't
#2 no balls

complainers suck said...

tcob247, you deserve everything you get, that's obvious from tht mouth of yours.

tcob247 said...

I noticed you didnt answer my question

Yah go ahead and tell me I didnt answer a question
Then when I do, dont respond and complain about my language

You gonna answer my question?

Were you happy with my answer or you just can't say anything?

are you still defending these idiots?

Are you in the process?

Elmer Fudd said...

complainers_suck said...
tcob247, you deserve everything you get, that's obvious from tht mouth of yours.

Full of shit you are Complainer.Answer the mans question. 1000 free and clear??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

tcob247 said...

#1 you can't
#2 no balls

complainers suck said...

I don't sell this process, nor am I on the inside, so what do you want from me? No one else for you two potty mouths to try and beat up on, so I'm your next target? No wonder neither of you are taken seriously around here.

complainers suck said...

I certainly cannot answer number 2 for obvious reasons, potty mouth.

tcob247 said...

LOLOLOLOL
all you can say is potty mouth

Ouch that hurts

Whats worse?
Being a potty mouth or scamming people out of their money and homes.

Why don't you just day it.

There are NO SUCCESSES

There, was it that hard to admit.

( I didn't swear, am I on your good side now?)

tcob247 said...

Why don't you just say it.

(sorry, no spell check)

tcob247 said...

you sa you don't sell this process and you are not on the inside.

Did you put your home in the process?

If not. Then why are you here defending them?

Crazy

complainers suck said...

I am a client, and that's the extent of it. I come here for information, but it seems the only thing going around is gutter language.

To answer your question, NO, you are not on my "good side now". You have a mouth that's nowhere near short of a sewer system.

tcob247 said...

yes but, where is the answer to my question?

don't have it do you complainerssuck

When you dont have the answer just sidestep it with...I dont like your language..boo hoo.

I think if you read back in the blogs.....some of the most filthy mouths were Dorean supporters.
But I will own up to it
I will clean it up.

But could you just PLEASE answer the question

tcob247 said...

newyorklife said..."BTW, I've got something for you to quack those lips on. It's hanging between my legs.

I don't live in New York either moron. I work on an insurance company, dumbass. But go ahead and keep thinking I'm Guy, Farrel, Dr. Fred, etc., dumbass. "

Complainers....why didnt you say anything about his language?

By the newyork never answered the question

He can't
Not really his fault
There just is no success

complainers suck said...

I am not calling you out by yourself on the language. This was directed towards everyone, whether they are Pro-TDG or Anti-TDG. No one takes anyone serious with that language.

What question are you asking of me, as I am not in the loop to answer questions that a broker or agent would know?

complainers suck said...

tcob247, read my very first post again, and I have pasted it below, and tell me if I was pointing the finger at you alone?

complainers_suck said...
With the language most of you use on this board, is gives you zero in the credibility department in my book, and probably 95% of the others here.

Think about it, "gentlemen".

whataboutjere said...

Starfish, where the heck did you go? Drop a bomb like you did and disappear? Please tell me, who was your source or where did you get this information?

"Collateral Estopple being purchased overseas...wow looks like Dorean clients are gonna get about $250,000.00 in phase 1 of the process...then 10 times the amount of the mortgage in phase two. Wohooo..."

Ace said...

I never had a representative in this process. I got into this from an email I received from The Aware Group. At that time I was connected to Success Training and they walked me through the process. Then Dorean dropped Success Training. Now I got another email from the Aware Group informing me about a new group doing the same thing but following another method. A group of bankers want to take the value of your property and "monetize it" so they can invest the money for their own profits. They will make your mortgage payments for three years and you get title to your house at the end along with a large payment based on the value of the property. Anybody else hear about this or have any info about it?

Ace said...

The name of the new group is Success Trust.

Justice7777777 said...

willtofight said "who are you"



My name is JUSTICE . . . and I am coming for you!

You will know my name when it is too late.

WillToFight said...

Elmerfudgestickuptheass could not even catch a rabbit, deserves no further response;

TACOBELL has dishonored him/herself, by being a weak client that failed to understand the process and deserves no further response!

Truthtoothbadbreathflosswithdirtydrawls, never deserved a response.

None of these weak flunky plants, moe's and others deserves no explanation or response, they sold purpose is to discourage, distract, and distort.

CCR clients, hang in there. If you understand what is going on, it is not smart for us to air any information that will obviously be passed on to the enemy.

Some us here see exactly what this process is about, we know to expect a positive fruitful outcome!

For the good fight!

WillToFight said...

Success Trust

Never heard of them! However, I am hearing of others that are attempting to do the same!

That should tell you the power of the Dorean process.

That should show you that they were are correct.

That should show you that the opposition is not up on us, we will get through and open the door for others to come through.

That should show you that others are opening the doors as well!

12345getalife said...

Ace:

Success Trust is a scam, and Dorean didn't drop them, their "agent", who was formerly Success Training, had his contract cancelled for breach. He left the folks who helped him build Success Training hanging out to dry, and literally took the money and ran. He's now into this new process, and is going to scam these folks too.

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livinginxs said...

Farrel quit? What did he quit, the whole proccess and his relationship with CCR?

Didnt he just quit his job to do this full time with TDG?

whataboutjere said...

Starsomethingsmellsfishy Primetime,

Now, if what you say is true, WillToFight (Sheps), please confirm!

So, IF Farrel lied to you and jumped ship, then who cares what he says now? Just tell us, is what you said truthful or was it a lie to keep hope alive until they were safe from suit?

Also, you mention other programs???

whataboutjere said...

Starsomethingsmellsfishy Primetime,

Now, if what you say is true, WillToFight (Sheps), please confirm!

So, IF Farrel lied to you and jumped ship, then who cares what he says now? Just tell us, is what you said truthful or was it a lie to keep hope alive until they were safe from suit?

Also, you mention other programs???

tcob247 said...

WHOOOOOAAAA there....back up
Did I hear you correctly????

Quote
"I have been silenced by Farrel..and I guess he quit so..I cannot be left to say anything more about Dorean other than he has lied about some things and therefore can't be trusted by me any longer."

Red flags are shooting up everywhere now

Hope you people are paying attention to this
For one, I'm not suprised.
For two, I can't believe even you staunchest supporters don't have a hint of doubt in your mind

Tell me if I am wrong

truthtooth said...

WillToFight:

That should show you that there are more greedy criminals willing to bilk victems out of their homes and cash.

That should so you that ther is a ton of money in this scam.

That should sho you that other criminals are willing to risk going to jail for this amount of cash.

The rest of everything that is happening should show YOU that you continue to be fooled by these con men.

Still Believe said...

Is there another message board where I can get some legitimate content?

Here is what I want to find out:

1. Isn't Dorean financially backed by some overseas investor (I've heard $60M on some threads)? If so, wouldn't it be in the investors best interest to get these guys out?

2. Farrel, how's the family? (Since he has TRO, I assume he can answer this question since it has nothing to do with Dorean. I do care by the way.)

3. I would ask how much longer till I can stop making payments, but I know the industry answer...30-60 days

WillToFight said...

I've stated I will not respond to those listed earlier!

Whataboutjere, where do you get off putting names out assuming they might be someone or another.

Put your name out! your making an ass of u me (quit assume ing!)

Speculation, Speculation and more speculation!

Ask your agent!

WillToFight said...

Still believe

If you havn't noticed, this site has gone to Sh##!

Too many moes, spys, flunkys and weaklings.

Nothing will be said of any substance unless it is said by Kurt!

Except keep making your payments. This is exactly where you would be had you not joined the process i.e. be patient!

tcob247 said...

willtofight

It is NOT exactly where you would have been if you had not joined the process.

And I repeat...NOT

You would not have shelled out $3000-$4500 out of your pocket and handed over the title of your house to a con man who is in jail

By the way willtofight if you call people who are unhappy because they have been scammed "moes, spys, flunkys and weaklings" then you are in the same bed with the scammers.

If all you want is yes people and everything is roses on here, then you are a good candidate for a cult member.

I'm sure you think Kurt is Jesus/Moses too

livinginxs said...

I wouldnt blame anyone if they wanted to quit - this has turned into a circus. The problem is that we all helped put it where it is. Kurt & Scott - by not doing what they have to to get out of jail. CCR - by pumping up a program that wasnt proven. And yes homeowners who wanted something to believe in.

We need full access to all the information - willtofight you say ask your agent. They have no more information then the rest of us. That is the main problem with this program. From the very beging Kurt talks about full dissclousure - where is it? We have never had it - they never let the agent have access to any info. When there was a question - it went from me - agent - guy - fle - tdg then back.

To be successful communication is key - what we have here is just hearsay & guesses.

So, my point is I know fle & guy must be overwhelmed with calls and emails to the point where they want to change their numbers. How long would anyone stick this out?

I think if we give them 60 days from today - they can work it out or this whole program will tank.

But what we need from today on is complete HONESTY & COMMUNICATION as to what is going on. As far as the TRO - when have these guys ever followed someone elses rules??

I am a true beliver in their message, but I believe their application was wrong. Can it be corrected? I think so by following these steps:

1. Do what they have to do to post bail.

2. Take their message to a few top rated law firms.

3. Convert these lawyers into believers & expert witness

4. Get them to write letters of opinion confiming their beliefs.

5. Use real law firms to challange the banking proccess.

6. Tell everyone to never stop making payments untill their legal teams tells them to.

7. Refund anyone who wants out. They have all this overseas backing - pay the weaker clients back. You will make up for it on the back end of the damages you collect from the banks.

livinginxs said...

What ever happened to making a claim against the banks insurance?

~~The Swami~~~ said...

I am begging that Dorean start their own forum. The forum will have a moderator and Dorean clients can get the information they need without all the lies, cursing, and "pasting" that has ruined this blog! I'm sure this will receive the "F - U" from the guilty parties.

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Solvo said...

fle has not jumped ship, and he just assured me that "starfish" was NEVER in a position to obtain information from fle that he can make those claims.

As a matter of fact, didn't "starfish" once complain that fle was always to vague with his answers, but now he knows nuts and bolts? Give me a break.

tcob, go change your underroos, it was wishfull thinking.

tcob247 said...

I would love for Dorean to have their own forum with correct info
But...it aint gonna happen
Nobody has ever given us the honest truth from Kurt on down

tcob247 said...

solvo... and you are in that position to get info from FLE?
I'm suprised that as much as Farrel used to troll the forums and spew out filthy hatefful venom that he has not said one peep in here

Starfish Prime said...

I am being vague because I have no other choice.. fle wants my head on a stick for saying too much.

I cannot speak anything more about this matter.

livinginxs said...

so much for the open and honest communication

Starfish Prime said...

I made a misstatement. Fle did NOT lie to ME..I felt that Fle might be unsure or lied to in a sense about what is really transipring at this time for DG clients and the future they face...

They_and_or_Them said...

Starfish Prime said:

"I am being vague because I have no other choice.. fle wants my head on a stick for saying too much.

I cannot speak anything more about this matter"

Well then, if your'e not going to discuss the matter you need to laave and go stick your head back up his butt.
I cannot put into words how dumb I think it is for you to partisipate in this blog and announce that you are intentionally witholding information that may help some of these people in need.

You most certainly do have a choice and it looks like you have made it.

Can I get an "AMEN"?

whataboutjere said...

My apologies WillToFight in reference to stating you were Sheps as BlowFish had once again mis-inform me of someone's identity.

Blowfish, where the hell are you coming up with this shit. Stay away if you cannot speak TRUTH!

Solvo said...

There was partial truth to what he said, but not all of it.

One of the last calls Kurt was on, he quoted an approximate amount the clients would receive on the the first pay-out, and "starfish" quoted it. The second payout is in question.

So he in essence, he is NOT holding out info, but was not 100% accurate in numbers quoted.

Elmer Fudd said...

WillToFight said...
Elmerfudgestickuptheass could not even catch a rabbit, deserves no further response;

TACOBELL has dishonored him/herself, by being a weak client that failed to understand the process and deserves no further response!

Truthtoothbadbreathflosswithdirtydrawls, never deserved a response.

None of these weak flunky plants, moe's and others deserves no explanation or response, they sold purpose is to discourage, distract, and distort.

CCR clients, hang in there. If you understand what is going on, it is not smart for us to air any information that will obviously be passed on to the enemy.

Some us here see exactly what this process is about, we know to expect a positive fruitful outcome!

Not air any information? Jerky all Dorean's clients are asking to give em proof of just one person who has completed this process..If they did it already how would you be giving out information. Your the flunky, Moe and Lying sack! I say all you Dorean clients demand that you get that DVD set for free then turn around and sell it for 20 bucks or so if you can get that much. Won't make up for the money you lost but at least it's something. Willtolie or should i say Lie-at-will hmmm that one is better. Solvo you still suck.

Elmer Fudd said...

WillToFight said...
Still believe

If you havn't noticed, this site has gone to Sh##!

Too many moes, spys, flunkys and weaklings.

Nothing will be said of any substance unless it is said by Kurt!

Except keep making your payments. This is exactly where you would be had you not joined the process i.e. be patient!

Yeah keep making those payments and buy or Dvd Set "Suckers" Be patient cause as soon as scott and kurt can get out of jail whammo there on a Nice tropical Island somewhere enjoying your the money you sweated for...Asta Lavista Baby....

tcob247 said...

this site had gone to sh**t because not everybody is drinking the koolaide now. Right willtofight ie: willtokeepupthescam?

son of a prophet said...

I said it once before and will say it agian.

Something BIG is up, but I dont believe that the DG is a scam. There are just too many things that dont add up if it were a scam. Gotta read between the lines. Is this proceeding as if it were a normal criminal case???

NOT! Do accomplices (brokers) get off free in a criminal enterprise?? IF this were as large an operation as they say it is, it would fall under the RICO act for gangsters, no?? But, it doesnt. A lot of stuff just doesnt make any sense. Think about it.

I dont know when it will be settled or how, but it is definitely unusual to say the least.

AS I said, a lot of stuff doesnt add up one way or the other.

truthtooth said...

willtofight:
You said:
Nothing will be said of any substance unless it is said by Kurt!

You are clearly the saddest victim on this blog.

I would like to get a profile on your exact personality so that I could write a book of exactly the kind of people that con-men could go after.

These guys piggy-back off of other mortgage illimination scammers, put a religious and ritious spin to it, sucker people into the trap by promising a free home and free cash, tell you that banks are evil, ask you to go back to the evil bank to re-fi, ask you to give them 70% of the re-fi, get caught, go to jail, say that they are on a fatal hunger strike like Jesus and Moses, tell you that they are winning the good fight, blame God for leading them to the cause of screwing people, then try and sell you that they are backed by big money overseas and to be strong.

I the next entry Kurt will have monkeys flying out of his ass and you are waiting for his, "words of substance".

You are sharp.

Peanut Gallery said...

I will attempt to help out all the usual suspects with their posts.
If you don't understand the meaning of the "Peanut Gallery" then you have some constructive homework to do.

So as the Peanut Gallery, I can compile all the posts of the idiot naysayers into one nice little posting, since they seem to be using the same rhetorical script. So here go's

In responce to son of a prophet.

Blah blah blah blah scam blah blah crooks. Blah blah blahblah blaaahhh, koolaid drinkers. Blah blah #@*& blah %$@#ing blahblah blaaaah, jail blah blahhh blah blabblahblah fle, guy, terribly misspelled word blah blah blah blahhhhhh $*&%$#$#@ Blah blah blahblahblah, blah blahblah blah, scam blah Kurt and Scott, blah blah blak blahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

truthtooth said...

Peanut Gallery:

I will sumerize the followers:

Kurt/Jesus/Ritious/brave strong blah blah. Do me more blah blah, I deserve everything that happened to me, I love Kurt blah blah, it is my fault, Kurt is brave blah blah, we are the faithfull fools blah blah, the entire infrastructure of the US is wrong and Kurt is right blah blah, I am screwed to the wall but I just need to have Kurt tell me what to do next blah blah blah, he is a man of wisdom and sacrifice (oh never mind all of the cash he stood to steal) blah blah, we shall be victorious blah blah blah blah, do me again.

They_and_or_Them said...

I hope the naysayers stay here, because I really want to see what they say about the system when Kurt wins in the end.
I don't know for sure about many things but one thing I do know for sure and that is the fact that our current mortage/banking/monitary systems are without doubt scams.
We'll just have to wait and see about Kurt.
Although I believe that if I were a scammer, I would have taken to the hills before I was arrested especially if I knew they were comming.
Please Explain why he stayed to get arrested when he had every opportunity to leave with cash in hand...

I'll be waiting for a clean non-insulting response... that is if anyone out there can discuss anything without cursing or name-calling.

Peanut Gallery said...

Blah blah we are so enlightened. Blahblahblah your(sic) all a bunch of #@$#@% idiots blahblah blahhhhh. all you religus (sic)fools blah blah. There(sic) just crooks blah blah blahblahblahblahblahblahbBLAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

truthtooth said...

They_and_or_Them:

I listened to one of his last recorded calls prior to getting caught.

He was pushing for hundreds of victims to get their re-fis done. He thought that he had more time and it was worth waiting around for millions of dollars. He ran out of time.

He was in hiding and did not think that he would be caught. We did not see him turn himself in did we?

They_and_or_Them said...

Hey peanut gallery,

Out of all that... what ever it was... I think you made a mistake and spelled "peanut" correctly.

Other than that, I didn't get much from your last post.

tcob247 said...

they or them...
I've discussed just about everything in here both cursing and non-cursing.
You know where I stand

It all boils down to this
Each person will believe what they want
Each has there own goal and agenda.

Not one person on here has been swayed by anyone else

I'm not going to spend much time in here anymore talking til I'm blue in the face.

I know what happened to me and how I feel

As for the end result....personally I think Kurt is screwed
And I also think he screwed us.
Just my opinion
Go ahead and rant on me
It's OK

They_and_or_Them said...

truthtooth,

Thanks for the clean response.

I don't know him real well (I've only met him twice) but I talked to him a couple of months ago and he lead me to believe that it was just a matter of time until somebody came to get him.
I think he knew it was comming

Just my opinion though, and I already know how valuable opinions are.

Solvo said...

A customer service person working in the Dorean office told me personally that while the warrant for Kurt was out, he was walking in and out of the office in daylight and would stay at the office with the blinds open.

This coupled with the fact that Kurt stated during that time that if they really wanted him, it wouldn't be that hard to find him.

So, Kurt "running out of time" is a completely off-base ASSUMPTION.

They_and_or_Them said...

tcob247,

I'll not rant on or against you,
You have every right to be upset, concerned, mad etc.
I really wish I knew the answer to all of this, because I have been in a similar situation as you.
I pray that I am right about Kurt personally.
I will admit that the business was not handled in the manner inwhich I would like, that is the reason I chose not to participate, But I do support the cauae for change in the current system.

The problem with scams of all types and with scammers, liers, and cheats: there is always enough truth in what is being said to get people interested..

Now rant on me if you must. As you say: It's OK

WillToFight said...

Solvo, SonofProphet;

These people deserve no further response.

Even TACO understood. You can't change idiot!

SonOfProphet said it correct. Why would anyone be around today if they were tring to fraud us.

BBB/FBI or the so called judiciary have not proved anything.

Remember the confiscation of docs in Feb. If there were a case it would have happened then. There were 1500 of the same type documents of 1500 different clients. So 1500 charges could have been filed from at least 30 differents states.

When are you naysayers going to wake up!

This new name that has appeared.

PeanutGallery=Peanutbrainoncracksmokeittiludrop! Get back smallbrainoncrack!

Taco come on back where you belong! Hang in there! Your frustrated.

QUIT RESPONDING TO THESE IDIOTS

Seen it in Utah said...

I feel compelled to weigh in. I live and work in Utah, and due to my business, have become quite familiar with the entire Dorean mess. As a person with absolutely no stake in the matter, I can tell everyone unequivocally that the Dorean programs, methods, etc. are truly nothing but a scam. I have personally seen properties that have had the "elimination" scheme run against the titles still foreclosed, and have seen total believers evicted from the homes that they believed that they owned free and clear. I have seen the rulings of federal judges making it absolutely clear that there is absolutely NO possibility that the scheme will be successful.

I have spent many hours going through the materials put together by Heineman and Johnson. Folks, this stuff is simply made-up hocus pocus to suck in people with big words and fancy legal phrases.

In addition, the "collateral estoppel" matter referred to in earlier postings is a good example of the use of big phrases that are supposed to impress people. Collateral estoppel is a term of legal art that refers to whether rulings in a previous or simultaneous lawuit can be used to prevent the issue from being re-litigated between the same parties. It means nothing even close to what is being spoken of in the postings.

I want people to understand...I have no axe to grind. I feel deeply compassionate and sorry for the thousands of people who have been taken in...but they have been taken in. Your best bet is to obtain decent legal help in clearing up the mess your property title is in, trying to do a workout with the affected lenders. Remember the adage...if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is NOT true.

Best wishes to all.

They_and_or_Them said...

WillToFight

Call them whatever you wish, but if you can't understand their concern and their need for information then you may be best describing yourself with the name calling you are using.

If you had ever been on the recieving end of a true scam, you would understand the frustration.

Seen it in Utah said...

I also want to add another thought for everyone. I find a common thread through the postings some discussion referring to the February raid on the Dorean offices, and some people are inclined to believe that, since the feds did not come down with the weight of a hammer long ago, that there is some sort of tacit understanding that the Dorean scheme must not be illegal, or that is must be "real". Well, I can tell you for a fact that the federal government doesn't just swoop in and slam everything shut once they have decided that someone or some organization is breaking the law. It is not uncommon that federal investigations and prosecutions take YEARS to complete. I know of an "offshore roll program" that was sucking in money from investors (illegally, of course--there is NO SUCH THING as an "offshore roll program") and the federal prosecutors did not file charges for seventeen months following the raid on the business and records. However, when they did, it was hard and serious. The guy in charge of that did, in fact, do hard time in the federal pen. Interestingly, he kept many of his "investors" on the hook in the interrim claiming the same thing--that since he was still standing, it had to be real and that the feds knew that the program was real, or he would have been arrested and taken away immediatly after the raid.

As I said before, I have no personal stake in this matter. I was not a duped "client" of any Doren program, nor am I any kind of crusader against them. I just know what I know from actual and real experiences, and I hope that someone reading this information from me might be able to better their situation a little and avoid sending any more money to these guys, or destroying the title to their homes any further.

WillToFight said...

Livinginx

Some good thoughtful steps but I would disagree, not with all but most certainly No. 1.

The rest I am considering because remember what is posted "Accptance Denied For Cause Without Dishonor" must be studied! You might understand your No. 1 theory might not be the best route.

Remember most lawyers have their oath, and it is not to you the "subject"
Prolateriate, or any other word you can use for citizen, unless you have the capital!!!!!

These unfounded claims must be ended now. In order to end this they believe they have to stick it out in Jail.

Study!!!!

If BlowFishPrime were not so stuck in his place he/she might be able to come up with something. However, he/she will not create a presedence, he/she only follows.

And how is it that Whataboutjere got from BlowFishPrime the possibility that I might be this Sheps person?

Peanut Gallery said...

Hey willtofight.
Chill man. I am on your side.

If you read my 1st post you would understand. The blah blah blah is all the stupid rhetoric coming from the truthtooth, tcby, jrb idiots

Solvo said...

Seen it in Utah said...

I feel compelled to weigh in. I live and work in Utah, and due to my business, have become quite familiar with the entire Dorean mess. As a person with absolutely no stake in the matter, I can tell everyone unequivocally that the Dorean programs, methods, etc. are truly nothing but a scam.


Isn't this a contradiction of what you are proclaiming?

If you have become "quite familiar" with this process "due to your business", that means your are involved, but you have "no stake in the matter". Sounds like you have some "stake in teh matter" if it's incorporated into your business.

Right out the gate you are full of ummmm, CRAP.

Seen it in Utah said...

Solvo,

Sorry to disappoint you...my business deals in the law and real estate. I have seen this entire mess strictly as an impartial observer. No crap here, my friend. You sound a little hostile. Why is that?

Solvo said...

Your first statement out of the gate is a contradiction of your own words, so it makes no sense.

Seen it in Utah said...

Solvo,

I think anyone who reads what I have stated understands it perfectly. You seem extremely defensive. Are somehow a part of this whole Dorean mess?

Solvo said...

Seen it in Utah said...

"my business deals in the law and real estate."

This says it all. Thanks for giving us a clear picture of where you are coming from, esq.

Solvo said...

seen it in utah,

Quite frankly, I just think you are full of sh*t. But thanks for the fiction tales, Esq.

P.S.- Are you billing for time spent here?

Seen it in Utah said...

Solvo,

It seems clear that you only deal in ad hominem attacks and defensive posturing. You never did answer my question--are you somehow affiliated with the Doreans?

Peanut Gallery said...

Seen in utah.

Please enlighten us as to what it is in the Dorean process that is flawed. Since you deal in real estate and law, give us the scoop. And please be specific in a step by step manner as to why it is wrong. If you have indeed been watching as you have stated then you should be able to explain in great detail.

tcob247 said...

littlepeanut....I think he already did that

By the way it's interesting that you call what I have to say "stupid rhetoric "
all I have done is tell what happened to me personally during this process.

So my "stupid rhetoric" = truth

Sorry if that hurts or offends you

Keep drinking the koolaide, you are almost comatose

seen il in utah said...

bah ha ha ha ha

seen il in utah said...

jess ansir ma kessjun, i say, jess ansir ma kessjun.

bah ha ha ha ha

Seen it in Utah said...

Dear Peanut Gallery,

I could certainly do that. I am short of time, so let me just send a couple of items your way...

First, the document that Dorean sends to the lender alleging a laundry list of non-compliant issues relating to the loan are primarily made-up items. Now, there is just enough of the correct language and the correct terminology to make the claims sound legitimate...but by and large it is made-up gobbgledy gook that makes no sense. The lender cannot figure out what is even being alleged.

Next, Dorean purports to place themselves in position of the trustee of the trust deed by their own actions. If anyone actually takes the time to read the mortgage or trust deed documents carefully, they will see that the trustee of a trust deed cannot be replaced or substituted by the borrower or the borrower's successor. Only the benficiary is legally entitled to substitute the trustee. After Dorean purports to replace the trustee with their own trustee, they then file a reconveyance or a release of mortgage. That is absolutely and completely illegal.

Next, Dorean purports to replace the real estate collateral with a "bond" that supposedly protects the lender and is the replacement collateral. If you have ever seen this "bond" (and I have) and do the research, you will find that the bond is a phony. There is no such security or collateral. This "bond" itself is a fraud and is illegal.

Next, after the trust deed or mortgage is illegally "removed", then Dorean has people commit further fraud by BORROWING AGAINST the property again, claiming it is free and clear. This is such a blatant fraud it is amazing. It is using newly defrauded property to obtain another loan solely for the purpose of taking money with no intent of repaying it. That is stealing. No other word for it.

I have to leave now. I hope to resume this some time later. I will be out of town for several days, so I apologize that I have to stop at this point.

Good luck to everyone.

Solvo said...
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Solvo said...

Thank you, Mr. Attorney General. Please prove your claims in court, because for now they are YOUR interpretations.

Solvo said...

Oh, and have a safe trip!

seen il in utah said...

I apologize that I have to leave town for a few days so that I do not have to answer any questions that might be posted in this blog even though I expect an answer to my question by the time I get back.

It took me several weeks to come up with the post that I posted, so I think I need a rest. I have to roll some offshore programs, but I'll be back. Then, I'll be ready to estoppel some more collateral.

Send me a postcard!

tcob247 said...

the truth is hitting you right in the face solvo
wake up
why do you continue to defend the scammers?

FogHorn LegWorn said...

I say....

I say....

Just answer the question!

Elmer Fudd said...

seen il in utah said...
I apologize that I have to leave town for a few days so that I do not have to answer any questions that might be posted in this blog even though I expect an answer to my question by the time I get back.

It took me several weeks to come up with the post that I posted, so I think I need a rest. I have to roll some offshore programs, but I'll be back. Then, I'll be ready to estoppel some more collateral.

Give this man a medal. We'll for one thing he explained it to a "T" but solvo can only come up with see you in court? Solvo back your claims with some substantial evidence to prove Mr Utah is wrong! But i know you won't. You'll just ramble on and spout out nonsense just like the rest of them.

Elmer Fudd said...

Because he's on of them. He just too afraid to admit it.

corncob247 said...

the TRUTH is- that there is substantial evidence that cobs only used to have 6 or 8 kernels.

Nowadays, they have bunches!

Why?

Because some courageous people spend their lives making changes that improved the situation to the point that they & their children & their childrens' children could live in one spot without having to travel all over the place to find food.

Of course, there were ALWAYS those who told them that corn cobs will NEVER have 133 kernels.

The minority is where change always begins.

Do you eat corn?

Elmer Fudd said...

corncob247 said...
the TRUTH is- that there is substantial evidence that cobs only used to have 6 or 8 kernels.

Nowadays, they have bunches!

Why?

Because some courageous people spend their lives making changes that improved the situation to the point that they & their children & their childrens' children could live in one spot without having to travel all over the place to find food.

Of course, there were ALWAYS those who told them that corn cobs will NEVER have 133 kernels.

The minority is where change always begins.

Do you eat corn?

Shucking and jiving...Weaving and bobbin..Ducking and Moving..Good boxing tactics...

Gforce said...

seen it in utah------What is the definition of "fugitive"? Is Scott a fugitive from the state of Utah? Please explain in full. ---- "The Lord will NOT leave the righteous in the hands of the wicked, OR allow the righteous to be condemned when brought to trial."PS.37--------I'll keep posting these questions so that you can read them when you get back from your trip.

Solvo said...

seen it in utah,

If you are going to chicago by chance, let me know. There is an attorney there that will dispell EVERY argument you proclaim. He has researched the Dorean process thoroughly and has case law to back it up, and he is not part of Dorean. He'll open your eyes to the truth.

Seen it in Utah said...

I pulled this up again upon arriving at home. I find to my disappointment that someone is using a name close to mine. They are doing it in order to make it appear as if I am some kind of ignorant moron. If you seen a posting by seen_il_in_Utah, it is a pathetic effort to undermine what I have shared. Interestingly enough, solvo refuses to answer my question: are you some part of the Dorean mess? I have to assume that solvo has reasons for avoiding a response.

Additionally, I believe my last post was a very clear item by item breakdown of just some of the clearly illegal and fraudulent actions taken by Dorean as part of their scam.

I am not sure why my profession has anything to do with the factual recitation of the Dorean illegal and fraudulent activities. Again, it appears that some people are hanging onto the notion that by using obfuscation and mean language that they will prevail in an argument. Unfortunately, those who are truly interested in learning and helping should be able to see rational discourse and ignore rudeness.

Again, solvo, what is your connection to Dorean?

Gforce said...

seen it in utah----What is the definition of the word "fugitive"? Was Scott Heineman a fugitive from the state of Utah? Please explain in full.------"The Lord will NOT leave the righteous in the hands of the wicked, OR allow the righteous to be condemned when brought to trial."Ps.37-----IF what you believe is actually true, then you have nothing to fear.

Seen it in Utah said...

To Gforce:

You ask if Heineman is a "fugitive from Utah". The answer is that I do not believe that he is from Utah. While he is, I believe, a resident of our local county jail,it is in connection with the very issues that I was posting about earlier. He is not a fugitive if he is in jail. He is a fugitive if he is hiding or running to avoid prosecution.

tcob247 said...

Utah........you explained it very well. It's just that some people have blinders on

g-farce....here we go again with the bible verses.
I don't think it applies. You are assuming Kurt is righteous

You've never answered this question dude.

Is there one person who has gone completely through the process successfully

Have asked that many times

NOBODY ANSWERS

Gforce said...

seen it in utah-------The question is--WAS Scott Heineman a fugitive from the state of Utah?There was issued a "fugitive warrant" for his arrest for which he was picked up on. What is the definition of the word "fugitive"?

Peanut Gallery said...

Hey, usual supects.
It is pretty evident that there are only two sides on this post, no fence sitters, agreed?

So logic would dictate that no one is going to convince the other side that their position is faulty, agreed?

So what is the noble cause you have taken on? To save others from the evil Doreans?

Hello, no one who is visiting this blog is weighing the evidence as to weather they should "get in the program"

So, I am concluding that those who are yelling from the rooftops that the evil Doreans are "gonna gitcha"
have some other motives? Hmmm what could it be?

Could be they know what the ultimate outcome is going to be, and are afraid of it.

Seen it in Utah said...

Gforce--you can look up "fugitive" in the dictionary. As for the idea that no one is going to persuade any one else--that's unfortunate. I have real heartfelt concern for people who I have met that have lost everything because of just such wooden and unreasoned belief in the Dorean scam. I can only hope that the arrests and restraining orders kill off the entire mess. The real victims are everyday people who are hoping and believing--only to fall prey to crooks.

Peanut Gallery said...

Seen it utah.

Thought you had to leave town for a couple of days.

Did your "handlers" seem to think you could do more damage by sticking around?

Peanut Gallery said...

Okay.
This is how I see what is happening on this blog.

You have the group of dissenters.
elmer fudd, truthtooth, tcob, justice7777, JRB, etc etc etc.

I have gleaned that the only one who may have signed up with Dorean is tcob.

He claims that he is about to loose his house because of Dorean.
How? Is he in foreclosure because he did not listen to Dorean and quit making his payments?

I recall that that advice was given sometime late last year, early on in the Dorean process.

He and others just want to save us from making the same mistake. Others are claiming that we will all loose our houses in the process.

How? If those that are Dorean clients are following the advice given and are making payments, how pray tell will they loose their houses?

What concern is it of theirs if someone is in the process and still making payments? Why do they care?

Where are the thousands of victims?
I would think that there would be an overwhelming amount of people posting to this blog if that were the case.

Enter stage left, seen it in utah.
He claims he has no vested interest in the Dorean process, no axe to grind. He is just a compassionate human being that wants to see justice. His advice is to seek legal council to go after Kurt and Scott.

He is planted here like others to stir the pot of dissention, to fan the flames and get people to seek legal action against Dorean.

Why?
Maybe he is an ambulance chaser that see's a large potential client base.

Maybe he knows that Dorean has the banks by the short hairs and realizes that the only way to stop them is to get enough of you pissed off so you can go after them on fraud charges

Ask yourseves. Why are they so concerned for our well being? If they are so concerned about others, why don't they quit wasting time on you and go volunteer to feed the homeless or something?

What do they have to gain by seeing you go after Dorean? A pat on the back for humanitarian efforts?
Will they sleep better at night because of thier good deeds?

No, I think it is much bigger than that. HMMMM

WillToFight said...

Sounds to me that

Then_them_and_theysybeltriplepersonality, I understand peoples frustration, I experience it as well. There is still no proof that this is a scam. The only proof that I've seen is coorprate facism of the worst kind.

The evidence is already in on our government wrong doings in the past. The lobbist banks make legal what they want for themselves no matter want it does to common folk. There is countless evidence of wrongdoing by all parts of our government and business sectors of this society.

Seen it in Utah! Because you say you don't have a axe to grind. Sounds like your grinding one to me.

Because a judge says that there is no way for this to ever work is not proof that it is a scam.

Again, there is much much evidence of judicial wrong doing. You going to attempt to tell us that if the Bank would submit the requesting information through discovery they we would find that they are above board in their accounting acts. I think not!

All you naysayers point the finger at Dorean. Investigate the banking/credit industry, look at the mountains of evidence that show their fraud!

But that's OK! Their influence on the government and judiciary is overwelming and wrong, and entirely disgusting. But that's OK with you, I suppose?

Seen it in Utah, why arn't the thousands that have been scammed by this process not states witness against this process?

Don't bite the hand that feeds you, no matter how oppressive! It's only happening to them, not me so who cares right?!?!

No one is safe from this cancerous destructive force that has been unleashed without boundary to the destruction that will take no prisonors!

The barrier of influence that our banking/credit industry has on our judiciary is the fraud. That is what is holding this process back.

I say it must be broken. I say that I am not giving up on at least tring!

Triplepersonality/Seen somthing in Utah, just because you say it is so, does not make it so!

Believing vs Knowing an evolution from one with know experience (believing) to experienced (Knowing) of a thing! Study that!

Legal vs Lawful and worthy battle. To the good fight!

WillToFight said...

Sorry PeanutGallery must have misread. The post go for so long. Then you have to return to the top to make a statement.

Forgive me!

WillToFight said...

I Love Corn

WillToFight said...

Peanut Gallery
said

Enter stage left, seen it in utah.
He claims he has no vested interest in the Dorean process, no axe to grind. He is just a compassionate human being that wants to see justice. His advice is to seek legal council to go after Kurt and Scott.


Hey I think you struck a nerve on that one peanut!

Hit them hard?

Seen_Somthing_in_Utah is sooooooo transparent!

seen il in utah said...

Let me remind you that I never bought an axe, I don't have a grinder, & I don't have any time to post on this blog because I am out of town.

I 'weighed in' & it has absolutely nothing to do with steaks.

Everything I say is 'unequivocal' especially when I used the words:

mess, scam, scheme, scheme, hocus pocus, taken in, decent legal help, mess, adage, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is NOT true, Best wishes, duped, nor am I any kind of crusader against them, my business deals in the law, mess, impartial observer, primarily made-up items, made-up gobbgledy gook, absolutely and completely illegal, purports, supposedly, phony, fraud and is illegal, commit further fraud, blatant fraud, newly defrauded, with no intent of repaying it, I have to leave now, Good luck, ignorant moron, pathetic effort, clearly illegal and fraudulent actions, illegal and fraudulent activities, I have real heartfelt concern, scam, kill off the entire mess, fall prey to crooks, etc.

BUT REMEMBER THIS MOST OF ALL:

"nor am I any kind of crusader against them"

& "Best wishes to all"

WillToFight said...

Seeing_Things_In_UtahschizophreniaDon'tbitethehandthatfeedyounomatterhowdiobalical.

arbitrarily comes to this blog saying. He/she has seen Dorean docs and they are fraudulent. He/she gives nothing to support the claim i.e. UCC/Case law etc. He/she blatantly makes these statements and ElmerFudd/tco247 just eat it up blindly, thinking it is clear proof.

Let me ask you Schizo, What is the Title/Insurance underwriters responsibility in clearing titles for the refinance if the docs where a fraud?

Tco247, you see, it is your type of dissent that helps great movement for change to fall!

Closely read Peanut Gallerys' last post!

Tco247 you still have both properties correct?

Seening_things_in_utahSchizo answer my question? It's two para's above.

WillToFight said...

Hell of a post Seen_il_in_Utah

The other seen_it_in_Utah is sooo sooo transparent!

He/She must be part of a Manichean project or somthing?

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