Sunday, September 25, 2005

A Day In Court - Sept. 1st

The Utah case is taking on some interesting twists. The warrant that I was arrested on and the charge (probable cause) I’m being held on was recalled on August 5, 2005. This warrant was used as the basis of the Governor’s extradition warrant. Please let me explain the problem the Corporations are having. The judiciary (the accounting department) issued a negotiable instrument (like a check) called a warrant. They handed it over to the Executive (administrative) branch for collection of the defendant’s assets on commercial energy. The Governor of Utah got the power as agent for the accounting department via the warrant. He, lacking a license to collect in California, negotiated an agency contract with Schwarzenegger who in distillation gets his power from the warrant. With the warrant or negotiable instrument recalled the power to collect on a voided instrument is non-existent. If they should extradite they will all become personally liable. If they do not they must start over. This is the only real option and I think they will quit and step aside for Colorado or who ever else is next in line. This Friday will be the moment of truth. They have botched this beyond repair. Hopefully the documentary will be given permission to tape this important moment. To be continued…

127 comments:

livinginxs said...

Kurt, and this effects the process of freeing our homes or recieving the judgements or refunds you promised how?

This is all good

tcob247 said...

Kurt.....

On Septmeber 17th you wrote

" I have decided that I will fund the payback escrow, I will need about a month to set this up"

You have about 22 days left.

Are you still on schedule?

Or is this going to be another broken promise?

tcob247 said...

Kurt.....

On Septmeber 17th you wrote

" I have decided that I will fund the payback escrow, I will need about a month to set this up"

You have about 22 days left.

Are you still on schedule?

Or is this going to be another broken promise?

tcob247 said...

Kurt.....

On Septmeber 17th you wrote

" I have decided that I will fund the payback escrow, I will need about a month to set this up"

You have about 22 days left.

Are you still on schedule?

Or is this going to be another broken promise?

dgwondering said...

September 1st is long gone and any everyone ought to realize any legal opinion from this guy has been proven to be bogus.

You're on your own. Your fairy god mother isn't coming and Johnson is just another loser who concocted another scam and is going to prison again for it.

habakkuk said...

Tcob,
I thought i told u to get a life and stop sitting in front of your computer all day on this blog. I know u have something better to do....dont u? Arent you a successful businessman? I guess u get your kicks from verbally kicking a guy who's sitting in jail.

tcob247 said...

Habakkkukkk....
I wasnt kicking, I was asking a question.
Big difference big boy.
You post on here as much as I do so get off your high horse.
I've only posted a couple of times in the last week.
Do the math

Do you get your kicks from verbally kicking people who have lost money and homes to a con man who is in jail??

complainers suck said...

Did anyone notice that there were multiple counts of Insurance Fraud against Scott and Kurt in the Utah complaint, but NOT one count of Insurance Fraud in the Federal complaint?

Why wouldn't there be as least one count if Utah is pressing this particular crime so hard?

Seen it in Utah said...

Complainers suck:

Insurance fraud is state law--not federal. Federal courts can only pursue the issues that are violations of federal law (there are some exceptions-but this is the general rule).

As to the titles to your properties--the reason title companies are having issues are numerous--I explained this weeks ago--once you have gotten in bed with fraudulent transactions, title companies have grave concerns about the title altogether. For example, there are now fraudulent releases and/or or reconveyances. A title company cannot even be 100% certain as to what mortgage or mortgages are against the property. There are so many issues that are raised once your title is screwed up by the likes of Dorean.

If you have the possibility, your best option is to hire competent legal help to file a lawsuit to quiet the title and to have the mortgage companies liens adjudicated in their proper position. Anything less than this will still cause concern on the part of title insurers.

Bet they didn't explaint THAT part of the mess when you had your Dorean seminars.

tcob247 said...

Would it help if I called the mortgage companies and explained the situation to see if they could rectify it?
I havent missed any payments and I have my Quit Claim back

habakkuk said...

Tcob,
Go back and compare my posts to yours....i guarantee i have no more than 5 or 6 to your 50....Are you kidding me.....i dont think u missed a day. Its like a religion to u. And by the way, i lost some cash myself but it aint gonna help me to sit in front of my computer all day bitching to a guy who's sitting in jail. You might as well root for the guy...he might win his case some day. Whats it gonna help to beat em when he's down? You must know theres some truth to this whole bank fraud thing unless u wouldnt have given TDG money to begin with. You said: "lost money and homes"....now u lost your home? You keep changing your story....i thought u were a successful business man making 6 figures. Whats a few thousand to a successful guy like yourself. I know there are others who lost their homes....i almost did too so dont tell me i'm not considerate of others who did....ok. You need to go start your own post becuase u aint doin anybody any good on this one....take a walk.

neodemes said...

For $100.00 Fred will sell you a copy of your working trust and for just $3000.00 he'll hook you up with an improved trust doc.

DBA An Improved Task, LTD

Line up and get 'em while they're hot.

Maybe he'll throw in a free DVD??

tcob247 said...

Habakkkukkkk....
Go f^%$ yourself.
I don't take orders from you or anybody else.
I didnt say I lost my home you nincompoop. Why dont you learn how to read.
I dont care if I am a millionaire or a pauper, I dont like to lose money to a liar.
I'll post whneever I want
I don't need my own blog
I have nothing to promote
Why don't you stop posting?

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neodemes said...
Maybe he'll throw in a free DVD??


Maybe he'll comp you a free visit to HCM (Hair Club for Men), mullet!

newyorklife said...
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complainers suck said...

"Seen it in Utah said...
Insurance fraud is state law--not federal. Federal courts can only pursue the issues that are violations of federal law (there are some exceptions-but this is the general rule)."

Insurance Fraud is state law, correct? They were also charged with Mail Fraud and Wire Fraud by Utah as well, so why isn't this at the federal level? The DOJ charged with the others on the federal side, so you are telling me Utah can charge with State and Federal, but the DOJ cannot? Dorean operates out of California, and allegedly did these transactions across state lines. Therefore, shouldn't this be considered a federal offense, due to jurisdictional matters? With respect to your other alleged claims, that remains to be seen.

BetUdidn'tno said...
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BetUdidn'tno said...

10,000 INNOCENT PEOPLE CONVICTED EACH YEAR, STUDY ESTIMATES

http://blog.supersurge.com/government-gone-sour/2005/8/29/10000-innocent-people-convicted-each-year-study-estimates.html

http://blog.supersurge.com/all-gov-post/

Elmer Fudd said...

Kurt has been rambling off and on like this for some time now, don’t know if his, in my opinion very tenuous, grip on reality has slipped even further, or if he is now grasping at some new theory, the all governments are really corporations theory, or he is just randomly stringing words together. It does read a lot like some of the silliness at the various paytriot sites.

I seriously doubt if he has any conception of just how deep in the hole he really is. To a degree, I think he believes in the legalistic mumbo jumbo he has been dealing in, so if he says the right words in just the right order, then he’ll be able to make this all fall apart and he will be vindicated. He’s also going to refund everyone’s money and a lot of other things, RSN, just like their next magic bullet was going to solve all their problems RSN.

If you think the stuff on the blog is bad, you should have seem some of the stuff that was flying around on some of the other boards at the height of this. Flea and Moogy have incredibly foul mouths, as do a number of the other bottom dwellers that were trumpeting the cause before it crashed and burned. They were really vile to anyone who dared question their divine truth. Actually got two boards closed down to the threats and threats of legal action fro things that were said on them.

Since they have been pretty well shut down everywhere else, I’m not surprised that they have gravitated to the blog, just show how pathetic some of them really are. My sentiments Exactly...

habakkuk said...

Tcob,
My purpose in life is to expose itiots like yourself......so the more idiotic retoric you spew over this blogg i'm gonna be right there to sniff it out and warn everyone that guys like you are more dangerous to us than guys like Kurt or Scott ever were. You have no sight of the larger picture....you are stuck on the fact that u lost a few thousand dollars when u know good and well u knew the risks. Unless your iliterate and didnt read the agreement. Or maybe you didnt know the risks and u are for the first time getting a taste of how corrupt these bankers really are....and to that i say good!! You should be waken out of your slumber like the rest of the sheep out there that think that you are intitled to your freedoms without a fight. If u dont have the intestinal fortitude (balls) to be in this war.... go home!! And how many times do i have to say that KURT DID NOT STEAL YOUR MONEY!!! DONT U GET IT?!! If he really wanted to steal from you he would have been sitting in the Cayman Islands somewhere counting it. Instead, the crooked FBI came and raided his account...THEY stole your money and now they're counting it. Kurt is sitting in jail taking the brunt of this fight for you and u thank him by verbally spitting on the guy with total ignorance. HEY TCOB, DONT GET STUCK ON STUPUID!!

So as long as u keep on spreading nonsense on this blogg site i am gonna be right there to engage your nonsense with common sense.

Have a Nice Day:)

tcob247 said...

LOLOL....you are truly an ignoramous
No need for me to respond to that garbage
What an ASS
Have a fantastic day habakhiccup

Elmer Fudd said...

I Love this blog so much love in here...Hey Solvo bite me...

complainers suck said...

If Utah has been deceived so badly by Dorean, how come not one single property in Utah is on the list in the federal indictment?

habakkuk said...

Now this guy Tcob has nothing to say....thats funny.....once the truth is thrown back at him he has absolutely nothing of substance to say except to call me "ignoramous"...hmmmmmm...thats so profound. If that doesnt tell the rest of the bloggers out there who this guy is i dont know what does.

tcob247 said...

truth? Ha

Hey Habakkuk....you said...
" If u dont have the intestinal fortitude (balls) to be in this war.... go home"

A question for you Mr balls.

Are you willing to go to jail for this process? You could if you pushed hard enough. Will you back up your big talk?

Methinks you are all talk and no action

livinginxs said...

make sure you all get on the ccr call tommorrow night

getmeoffthisride said...

From a Montana Newspaper:

The Local Better Business Bureau warns folks not to fall for mortgage elimination schemes that claim to pay off your mortgage for a stiff upfront fee.

The Dorean Group based in suburban Oakland, Calif., and Capital Creation Resource use a technique that sounds like a spinoff of the Montana Freemen. They claim the U.S. banking system is flawed.

You face more than just a hit in the pocketbook if you fall for this one. You could default on your mortgage, have trouble selling your house because an irrevocable trust is set up, or even be charged with being an accessory to a criminal activity.

Redwood Trust out of New York state is another one promoting suspicious mortgage elimination.

complainers suck said...

"getmeoffthisride said...
From a Montana Newspaper:
They claim the U.S. banking system is flawed."

Can anyone including the "Montana Newspaper" prove otherwise? Modern Money Mechanics published by the Federal Reserve Bank in Chicago, says banks don't loan money and "create credit".

See for yourself:

http://landru.i-link-2.net/monques/mmm2.html

complainers suck said...

Pay particular attention to pages 2 and 3, and the last paragraph of Page 6

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(Start of Page 2)
Introduction


The purpose of this booklet is to describe the basic process of money creation in a "fractional reserve" banking system. The approach taken illustrates the changes in bank balance sheets that occur when deposits in banks change as a result of monetary action by the Federal Reserve System - the central bank of the United States. The relationships shown are based on simplifying assumptions.

(Start of Page 3)
transfer between deposit accounts. Moreover, currency is a relatively small part of the money stock. About 69 percent, or $623 billion, of the $898 billion total stock in December 1991, was in the form of transaction deposits, of which $290 billion were demand and $333 billion were other checkable deposits.

(Start of Page 4)
What Limits the Amount of Money Banks Can Create?

(Start of Page 5)
money will vary, depending upon the reactions of the banks and the public. A number of slippages may occur. What amount of reserves will be drained into the public's currency holdings? To what extent will the increase in total reserves remain unused as excess reserves? How much will be absorbed by deposits or other liabilities not defined as money but against which banks might also have to hold reserves? How sensitive are the banks to policy actions of the central bank? The significance of these questions will be discussed later in this booklet. The answers indicate why changes in the money supply may be different than expected or may respond to policy action only after considerable time has elapsed.

(Start of Page 6)
Bank Deposits - How They Expand or Contract

(Start of Page 7)
Deposit Expansion

WillToFight said...

getmeoffthisride

You as well as many others need to begin to listen and disern more from alterative media sourses.

The mainstream media today is only a parrot or mouthpiece for our plutocratic/oligarchic system.

You can not see the influence of the banks or other corporations creating a facsist state in America.

The media does a good job turning the people against themselves.

I wonder too, how much Neodemesgettingfuckeduptheass or Elmerfuckface is getting paid of the true fraud that is destroying our country?

What does SeenSomethingInUtahsibleschitzophrenia have to say that there are no complaints from homeowners in Utah against the Dorean group?

No answer. He/she is a status quo type individual that would sell his/her mother for the right gratuity.

Most of us who are in this process are reserved to wait it out. If we do not get judgement, we that are studied understand the powers against us, but we will not give up!

However, those ass sucking programed individuals like Neodemesfuckface and ElmerFuddgetfuckuptheass would say, I told you so".

We understand you position. We know you are programed "Yes Men"!

TacoBell247 your still a sucker!

Elmer Fudd said...

WillToFight said...
getmeoffthisride

You as well as many others need to begin to listen and disern more from alterative media sourses.

The mainstream media today is only a parrot or mouthpiece for our plutocratic/oligarchic system.

You can not see the influence of the banks or other corporations creating a facsist state in America.

The media does a good job turning the people against themselves.

I wonder too, how much Neodemesgettingfuckeduptheass or Elmerfuckface is getting paid of the true fraud that is destroying our country?

What does SeenSomethingInUtahsibleschitzophrenia have to say that there are no complaints from homeowners in Utah against the Dorean group?

No answer. He/she is a status quo type individual that would sell his/her mother for the right gratuity.

Most of us who are in this process are reserved to wait it out. If we do not get judgement, we that are studied understand the powers against us, but we will not give up!

However, those ass sucking programed individuals like Neodemesfuckface and ElmerFuddgetfuckuptheass would say, I told you so".

We understand you position. We know you are programed "Yes Men"!

TacoBell247 your still a sucker!

4:44 AM

Language very bad language. If i was getting paid for this, to which i am not, it would never be as much as you scammers are making off these poor people. So take your smoke screen willtostealcauseimadirtyscumbag and stick it up your own ass..

WillToFight said...
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WillToFight said...

IneednotrespondtothisElmerFuddidiotuneducatedasswipe.

Except you cannot save yourself from the impending disaster of the marketplace. You have not the ability to recognize who you should side with. Do you think your in the in-crowd of those large banking corporations, or even the company you work for?

NO Hell no! Your a lacky a flunky, who is programed to "go along" never question. You will be the first to go when the crash comes. You will be growling and nashing your teeth, wondering why you did not get in the fight on the right side.

Where is your dignity Fudge packer. Where is your sense of critical study and research. Where is your sense of history.

Yeah, I understand ElmerFudd was always a dumb MotherFuckercouldn'teverncatcharabbitstupidasswipebaldheadbastardgoogysonofabitch

livinginxs said...
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WillToFight said...

livinginxs

In some parts of your last post, you have a point. However, I think that you must keep family arguments within for now.

I am not a broker of CCR. However, I believe I can show as much current loss as anyone involved.

Still I'll make my argument inside the confines of the process that I believe in. I will not allow those that would clamor at the possibility to ruin the process to glot on what you say.

Our conference calls need to be confined to CCR/Dorean clients/agent. We do not need outside interference. Are you who you say you are. i.e. are you really apart of this process?

In short I believe that you are misinterpreting what was written by FLecompte. Who would not go into a protection mode when being threatened by who knows who?

We need another mechanism for voice about this process. Problem is it would not last very long.

Look what happened here. We can not have an open discussion like the one you raise, due to spys, and those that do not want to see this process work.

Everyone rethink this issue. Our direction and plans must be protected. If Kurt decides to say a particular thing then so beit!

We must stay intact!

Elmer Fudd said...

WillToFight said...
IneednotrespondtothisElmerFuddidiotuneducatedasswipe.

Except you cannot save yourself from the impending disaster of the marketplace. You have not the ability to recognize who you should side with. Do you think your in the in-crowd of those large banking corporations, or even the company you work for?

NO Hell no! Your a lacky a flunky, who is programed to "go along" never question. You will be the first to go when the crash comes. You will be growling and nashing your teeth, wondering why you did not get in the fight on the right side.

Where is your dignity Fudge packer. Where is your sense of critical study and research. Where is your sense of history.

Yeah, I understand ElmerFudd was always a dumb MotherFuckercouldn'teverncatcharabbitstupidasswipeb
For one i do know what is going on with our country's finacial state. I do agree the banks are full of shit, BUT i don't agree with people ripping people off for their own profit. Now that we are understood. You or Dorean or whoever has not and i emphasize "HAS NOT SHOWN" one free and clear title to date.. So but telling all of their clients they have 1000 plus or whatever the number is and cannot produce even one shows me their liars plain and simple. Don't say you've done something and when asked to prove it you start to spout off religious sayings to avoid the hot topic. I believe our goverment is corrupt, but these people who lost homes is what bothers me. Someone show me proof just to one, and i will leave and never come back..I know what your response is going to be, so if you have no proof you have no basis or ground to stand upon Mr will. Actually Farrel from what i gather from the website did his property did he finish his process 1# Yes-----2# NO simple answer

KYHOOYA said...

to: FLecompte

Try again, When you made false claims about the program you vioded all contracts. so good luck right back at you! you don't no shit about the law you better stick to accounting (and those off shore accounts you set up ) you know the one's with the $230,000.00 you were you nice to offer to set up so just in case there was a problem. As if you did'nt know there was going to be one, and how about that last meeting with those nice men from the FBI you said you told them "it was going to take nothing to get you to walk away for this" WHAT A JOKE more like yes sir what do you want me to do sir JUST LIKE THE SNAKE LITTLE PUSSY YOU ARE AGAIN I SAY GOOD LUCK TO YOU CAUSE YOU HAVENT BEEN DOWN THE ROAD YOUR ABOUT TO TRAVEL L8R PUNK!

livinginxs said...

I just do not like being called names because I might question the integrity of the proccess.

I will agree that our "family fights" should be kept within the bounds of the home.

With that being said - I still believe in their theory, but no so much in CCR's comments and actions.

Just for the sake of common curtesy, customer service and credibility, I believe that sense this was an oversell on thier part, if a client wants thier money back - they should recieve it.

If in fact the program proves to be successfull as they say, then they (CCR) will be making truckloads of money. If it fails, then why put yourself in the position where people think you took advantage of them, unless that was your intent all along.

I would also like to think that all who come here are in some way a part of the program - be it a client, agent or broker - why else would they even care?

As for the call's they are posted on their web site for all to see. I didn't know that it was to be kept a secert.

complainers suck said...

Koyote, Do you have evidence to support your claim? Otherwise you need to learn about hearsay. Also, if money that is sitting in a domestic bank goes "offshore", it must pass through an intermediary bank, and be in accordance with the wonderful "Patriot Act". Therefore, there is no hiding money "offshore". Lastly, I think you stated that the amount was $260,000 the first time, now it's $230,000. So which is it?

complainers suck said...

livinginxs, you need to take a reading comprehension class. You have on more than one occasion, took a writing and interpreted it 180 degrees from what was written. This post was written in response to YOU bringing up a potention class action suit, that you stated you would not participate in. So now you are taking it as directed towards you and the other clients.

Then to add to you obvious ignorance, you post private material that can now get google in trouble, which can come back on you if pressed due to violating a private property law. Y

WillToFight said...

ElmerFudd

I will respect your name finally. Don't you get it. It is apparent from your post that you do not. However, in light of somehting you said in your last:

ElmerFudd wrote:

I do agree the banks are full of shit, BUT i don't agree with people ripping people off for their own profit. Now that we are understood. You or Dorean or whoever has not and i emphasize "HAS NOT SHOWN" one free and clear title to date..

Our point exactly. All those Reconveyances/Satisfactions of Mortgage were correct and free and clear.

Your government selling their ass to the corporations have made it appear that Dorean and CCR might be frauding those that joined.

You need to begin to direct your anger at those that are in control of programing you to believe what they say rather than true citizen initiative to fight for what is right.

We can not help that there are those that would run and hide or down the process at the first sign of trouble.

Freedom must be fought for!!!!!!

WillToFight said...

Livinginxs

I think I made the point with ElmerFudd.

If people understood who we were up against than those that were studied prior to getting into the process would know that there would be a grand fight to get this done.

The paper that you hold as free and clear Mortgage is just what it proports, it is just that your judiciary will not recognize it due to the influence put upon them by the banks.

It is up to us to scream at the top of our lungs to say. We do not believe that the banks are fair and square. We want our Attorneys generals to prosecute the banks not those that blow the wistle on them.

Do you get that? Turn your agrument in that direction, we might get it done!!!!!!!!!

WillToFight said...

Koyotedogdickbreath

Who the hell are you. You must be disrepsected until you prove yourself worthy to be here!


Koyotedogdickbreathasslicker

WillToFight said...

Elmer Fudd wrote:

I know what your response is going to be, so if you have no proof you have no basis or ground to stand upon Mr will. Actually Farrel from what i gather from the website did his property did he finish his process 1# Yes-----2# NO simple answer

See this is what I'm talking about!

Who the hell are you demanding answers to questions that who knows who is looking or listening.

Can't you see what we are up against. Your weak ass would need this even though you say you know the Government is corrupt.

Who's zooming who?

Get real!

There is alot going on, but who are you to ask when you come out blasting everything that has happened with CCR/Dorean.

Many who lost there homes where already in peril when they got into this process. Then many would blame the process for not being able to go back and correct the fact that they had no ability (monetarily) to take care of the fraudulent obligation in the first place.

Why do you think that there are not 1000's of people here saying what you singularly say.

Get real! Get Back! We know you by you actions! ElmerFudgepackinggettingfuckedconstantlycauseyouloveitass

Sorry Elmer couldn't help that last line. You bring it on! hahaha!

livinginxs said...

complainers_suck - dont you get most of us in here on on the same side? To be free & clear!

livinginxs said...

look it's gone! Author must have read it.

guess I can play the game to

livinginxs said...

It is all about truth, honesty and integerity.

My point is still if clients want to exit the program (I am not one) and recieve a refund - they should be able to.

If the program works like they say there will be enough money. And if it fails - why would they want to keep any funds.

Farrel - just makes it sound one sided to their advantage & screw anyone else.

Regardless of what he says now - at the time he was promoting the banks love it and we have over 1,000 free & clear titles - where are they?

There was no full and true disclosure - They should have said we are still workig on the proccess - the baks will fight every step and we believe that we can do this, but, we are not sure. Howevr the reward far out weighs the risk.

Maybe they could have escrowed the funds until they delivered on their promise

complainers suck said...

livinginxs, I personally believe we do have "free & clear" title. If this process wasn't sound, why would the attorney from chicago be willing to risk everything he has built by backing the process? You need to turn that energy into the right direction.

Elmer Fudd said...

WillToFight said...
ElmerFudd

I will respect your name finally. Don't you get it. It is apparent from your post that you do not. However, in light of somehting you said in your last:

ElmerFudd wrote:

I do agree the banks are full of shit, BUT i don't agree with people ripping people off for their own profit. Now that we are understood. You or Dorean or whoever has not and i emphasize "HAS NOT SHOWN" one free and clear title to date..

Our point exactly. All those Reconveyances/Satisfactions of Mortgage were correct and free and clear.

If you did have someone with a free and clear mortgage. There is nothing the government can do if your process is true..So why hide those successfull cases?

livinginxs said...

What Lawyer? I have never herd anyone mention that a lawyer backed our cause.


If the titles are "free & clear" then why do the banks still demand payment?

We were right on the verge of obtaining our "free & clear" when everything went south.

Are you still making payments? If so, how can your title be free? I have my car titles, I am not making payments on them. They are free & clear.

Seen it in Utah said...

Complainer:

You clearly do not understand the way the state and federal law systems work. Regardless of the federal indictments not including any Utah claims--you will notice that your heroes are sitting in jail in UTAH! Seems like Utah is managing to handle their own matters on state law issues. And don't fall for the crap that is being spewed about Utah giving up or screwing up--I have a subscription to the Utah court system website--and believe me, it is looking pretty lousy for the boys in the orange jumpsuits (Kurt and Scott).

I find it absolutely hilarious that you and some of the scam supporters believe that there are "free and clear titles" out there--a recorded piece of paper that claims to release the mortgage filed by a con man does NOT make a property free and clear. A propety is free and clear when the LENDER agrees that the loan is no longer owed and then the LENDER files the release or satisfaction. As an owner of a title company, handling transactions that involve purchases and refinances every day, I can tell you that we get money every day from mortgages companies and lenders. Real money that we use to pay sellers and pay off existing mortgage when the properties are refinanced. Dorean supporters are living in a fraudulent dream world.

I mentioned before--if you really believe in the process, and then you do the process to "clear" your title--and then do the process with a new loan quickly to get more money--that is simply stealing. Theft. A very non-Christian kind of behavior. If you know that there are reasons that your program is illegal (and the Dorean process is absolutely illegal) and you participate and promote--then you may be committing a criminal act yourself.

I know that the promoters ihn this blog don't care about what is right--they only want to continue to lead the sheep into giving them more money (like contined "educational materials") and will attack anyone who questions the process. They will use personal attacks. They will swear and use vile language. As if the personal attacks and filthy language somehow make everything okay and acceptable. If you folks, vulgar or otherwise, can show even ONE person who successfully have "cleared" the title to their property and who have had the experience of their mortgage company walking away from the property, I will be most stunned and impressed. But you cannot. There is no such person. On the other hand, LOTS of people can point to their experience of doing exactly what they were told to do, and then have lost their homes as well as the money they tossed to the Dorean promoters. That alone shold show any intelligent and non-criminal person that Dorean is a scam.

complainers suck said...

complainers_suck said...
If Utah has been deceived so badly by Dorean, how come not one single property in Utah is on the list in the federal indictment?

10:20 AM

Will you please answer this?

Seen it in Utah said...

Complainer:

Look on the post right above. Where are your heroes in jail? Why, it is Utah! Guess the feds have decided to let Utah do their own prosecution!

complainers suck said...

Seen it in Utah said...
Guess the feds have decided to let Utah do their own prosecution!

So that's why they list at least one property? Think about that answer for a moment? And if you really believe this to be the sole reason......

Seen it in Utah said...

Complainer:

Why don't you cal the US Attorney's office and ask them? Frankly, it doesn't matter, does it? Your buddies are going away for a long time..whether in Utah or federal prison or both.

~~The Swami~~~ said...

Seen in Utah sure is a bitter fellow........just to be "sitting on the sidelines".(Your own statement Utah)

Pauligirl said...

complainers_suck said...
Seen it in Utah said...
Guess the feds have decided to let Utah do their own prosecution!

So that's why they list at least one property? Think about that answer for a moment? And if you really believe this to be the sole reason......
5:00 PM
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Because the investigation is not over yet.

"The charges in the indictment relate to 17 properties in California, Nevada, Texas, North Carolina, Florida, Colorado, Washington, Idaho, and South Carolina with a value of over $5 million. The FBI is continuing to investigate more than 480 properties throughout 35 states with a potential value of $88 million in loans that may have been affected by this alleged scheme. The FBI is investigating properties in 19 California counties affected by this alleged scheme."
http://press.arrivenet.com/politics/article.php/697104.html

complainers suck said...

pauligirl, I will admit that this is a logical reason, rather than the state of utah prosecuting on their own.

tcob247 said...

Utah is right.
Utah I need you expertise on selling my house
I have the Quit Claim that I got back from Dorean before they went down.
Should I notify my mortgage holder about what has happened and what I should do?
Or, should I wait until I sell my house and wait and see what the Title search shows up?
Thanks for helping
If you want I can give you my contact info

WillToFight said...

SeenItInUtah

Wrong, Wrong and More Wrong!

What is your point here?

Give us a list of those that you know are in dire circumstance.

Vile language or none, makes no difference. We are adult here!

Who are you, to attempt to take over this site with what has not been decided as fraud?

Your boy Greenspan is telling folks not to get involved in the Interest only loans now! Who is the fraud asswhole?

Why would he be saying that now. It should have never happened. Truth is that the corporations and banks truly and literally get away with murder.

As soon as citizens begin to stand up, people like you. And it is hard to call you a person, try your best to defeat the cause of justice.

We are pissed and will not take it anymore.

WillToFight said...

Your a Sucker an all day Sucker Taco247

WillToFight said...

Pauligirl

Those indicments will all end the same. There is nothing there to prosecute.

FBI is following orders to disrupt, distort and distract.

We just need to hang on. If we give this up we need to become slave to this barbaric rythm of deciet and theft from the highest places in this society.

WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!1

tcob247 said...

Willtofight
why dont you go sit in jail with your heroes?
Where are your balls?
Big talk no action

Call me a sucker if you want.

I just want my house back after being scammed by Kurt.

If you dont like the rules the way they are played then dont take out a mortgage.

I pay my mortgage, I keep my house.
Simple

tcob247 said...

There are many people who posted their dire circumstances on here willtofight.
are you blind?
Oh, I Know, they are all plants by the govt right?
Why are you boys still in jail if there is nothing to this.
BIG conspiracy

WillToFight said...

TacoBellIdiotasswipe

Could not see Fascism if it fucked him in the ass!

Oh, I forgot Love is Blind?

complainers suck said...

The Federal Reserve has also been very clear in their circulars that banks do not really lend money.

To understand the significance of this revelation in their official circulars one example that could be cited is a reference in statutory law. For instance the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC), which governs all commercial law, {and virtually every state has adopted and codified it in their state statutes} reads in the section on commercial paper which includes promissory notes “Regulations of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and operating circulars of the Federal Reserve Banks supersede any inconsistent provision of this Article to the extent of the inconsistency.” UCC 3-102(c)

So, we can see that the circulars of the FED banks and the regulations of the Board of Governors of the FED have the power to override statutory law in commercial relations when there is a conflict between that law and the circular or regulation of the FED in a particular section.

That said, what have they said about banks lending money? I think two examples will suffice to prove the point, although many more could be offered.

Probably the most oft-quoted reference on the internet is the Federal Reserve publication, Modern Money Mechanics. On page 6 it says in rather clear language, “Of course, they (banks) do not really pay out loans from the money they receive as deposits. If they did this no additional money would be created.”

So, the question that we would ask is if they do not “really” pay out loans from the money that they receive as deposits, where do they get the money to “pay out loans”?

The FED tells us in no uncertain terms in the next sentence. “What they do when they make loans is to accept promissory notes in exchange for credits to the borrower’s transaction accounts.”

So an exchange occurred! Why does the agreement and statement present it as a loan, and charge interest? Does the agreement ever mention that an “exchange” was happening?

The FED adds fuel to the argument in their publication, Two Faces of Debt. In this publication on page 19 the FED tells us that a “depositor’s balance… rises when the depository institution extends credit-either by granting a loan to or by buying securities from the depositor.

In exchange for the note or security, the lending or investing institution credits the depositors account or gives a check that can be deposited at yet another depository institution. In this case no one else looses a deposit… the money supply is increased. New money has been brought into existence.”

So, here again we see the word “exchange” being associated with the so called loan. Notice that the quote says clearly that a “depositor’s (YOU) balance… rises” when a depository institution extends credit by granting a loan or by buying securities from a depositor (evidence the agreement, promise to pay, or promissory note is deposited). How does that happen according to the circular? “In exchange for the note” the lending institution credits your account etc.

Then we are told something that proves the bank or financial institution really did not lend you their money as they implied or agreed. We are told that as a result of this transaction “no one loses a deposit” (thus no other person who had money deposited at the institution lost any deposit) that “the money supply increased”, and that “new money has been brought into existence”.

How was the “new money” brought into existence? By the deposit of your agreement/promissory note. Now this is a crucial point because as any attorney knows, for an agreement or a contract to be valid both parties must provide what’s called “valuable consideration”. In other words each party must provide something of value in return for the thing of value that they receive.

Now we would ask the simple question: What did the bank lend that I should repay? If according to the FED, whose regulations they must follow:
1) the bank did not use others depositor’s money,
2) banks do not really pay out loans from this money,
3) they accept my agreement/promissory note in “exchange” for credits in a transaction (checking) account,
4) and they issue a check or wire transfer from this account.

What did they lend? The wire transfer, credit or check is issued from the deposit of the promissory note. Remember what GAAP says. Anything accepted by the bank as a deposit is considered as cash. This concept one must never forget: the promissory note is an asset. An asset is something that has value. It can be bought and sold.

This explains why the FED says “new money” is brought into existence with the deposit of your promissory note. It is “money” that was not in the bank or financial institution prior to the deposit of the promissory note.

Thus we are told in "Two Faces of Debt" page 19, “Such newly created funds are in addition to funds that all financial institutions provide their operation as intermediaries between savers and users of savings.”

These funds are in “addition” to their other funds. What does addition mean? It means to add. The agreement/promissory note is an increase of the financial institution’s funds! Thus from an economic standpoint you were far from getting a loan, you were making a deposit. And, what does the FED say about that? Again we read from page 19, “Two Faces of Debt” “A DEPOSIT CREATED THROUGH LENDING IS A DEBT THAT HAS TO BE PAID ON DEMAND OF THE DEPOSITOR, just the same as the debt rising from a customer’s deposit of checks or currency in a bank.”

This is very powerful, clear, and concise statement. What can we learn from it?
1) When a bank or financial institution makes a “loan” they incur debt.
2) This debt must be paid on demand of the depositor (of the promissory note).
3) It is the same as the debt the lending institution owes a person who deposits checks or currency or checks in a bank.

When we deposit our paycheck or cash into the bank, or other financial institution, the institution has to record it as a debt owed to us on their books.

“Two Faces of Debt” page 19 puts it this way: “Again checkable deposits in commercial banks and savings institutions are debt-liabilities of these depository institutions to their depositors” As we have seen the promissory note is a checkable deposit because, “A deposit created through lending is a debt that has to be paid on demand of the depositor, just the same as the debt rising from a customer’s deposit of checks or currency in a bank.”

Now another major fact is that the bank altered the original agreement with you by stamping the back of it with Pay to the Order of, which gave the promissory note a specific dollar value in cash. This single action alone constitutes Forgery which is the process of making or adapting objects or documents with the intention to deceive, and Fraud which is the crime or offense of deliberately deceiving another in order to damage them - usually, to obtain property or services from him unjustly.

So, you funded your own loan and they committed several crimes in the transaction itself. Not to mention the extortion they committed against you with the continued threats of ruining your credit report.

diggs said...

I would like to know when will the Temporary Restraing order be lifted so CCR can get up and running as before?

son of a prophet said...

The question of who is 'right' and who is 'wrong' and what is 'legal' and what is 'illegal' is IRRELEVANT here, as the PTB decides what is 'legal' or 'illegal'. This is not the same as what has previouly been legal or illegal; ie., what is currently the law as the law is changed to suit the PTB when they feel like it. Also, what is legal/illegal for them may not be legal/illegal for Joe average. In fact, it is NOT!

The question is what are the Illuminati bankers going to/not going to allow and what can they stop/not stop.

As we know he who has the gold makes the rules it doesnt matter what is legal or illegal, so why argue on that point? The war in Iraq was/is illegal. Did that stop anyone??? NO! So why bother arguing what is legal/illegal. Aruging that point is ILLOGICAL.

A better bet would be on whehter or not the PTB is losiing its grip a little bit or not? (meaning whether the DG will get some traction in this effort and create change wittingly or unwittingly)

Peace.

tcob247 said...

Willtofight...
You are a real nice guy
Jesus loves you

Seen it in Utah said...

Tcob:

I would wait until I saw the title report. At that point you will know what needs to be done first. If your title report shows anything amiss, I would work with the title company to resole it first. Each state and even each county has differing ways of handling things.

Swami:

You are right...I read back over my earlier post, and it does sound pretty caustic. I guess I was having a rough afternoon and it showed. Sorry about that. I'm not bitter. Just genuinely concerned.

Will to Fight: Sorry you disagree with me. But I do know a number of people who have either (1) already lost their homes due to following Dorean; and (2) are in the process of being sued and probably will lose their homes as a result of Dorean. No, I won't name names, because, frankly, they have asked me NOT to share that information with people that are Dorean-related. They fear some kind of retribution from Doreanites (although I pointed out that that was pretty illogical, they still did not want their names invovled). But their foreclosures and the lawsuits are public records, for anyone who wishes to really dig into it.

Complainers: You are using the UCC information in an application where it does not apply. The UCC, by and large, does not apply to transactions secured by real property. It is for transactions secured by non-real property and for other negotiable instruments that are NOT secured by real property. There are some exceptions, but by and large, the UCC does not apply to most of the transactions secured by real estate.

tcob247 said...

Utah...thanks for your level headed response.

Remember everyone.
According to Kurt, tomorrow (friday) is the moment of truth.

Anxious to see that

partysecured said...

Dear Utah
Even if complainer's ucc part of her post doesn't apply what about what the Fed publications have to say about how a bank transaction goes down? If you go to a bank for some money that you think the bank has, but they really don't have any money to loan you then you musn't have a legal contract since the bank is only "exchanging" something of value that you give them versus something of value you they give you. If the bank isn't giving you anything of theirs than what would make them consider this transaction a "loan" that has to be paid back. In other words the property that was being bought was done on that very day. The home owner gets their $, the bank gets it's note of value from the "borrower" and the "borrower" gets his account credited with the notes value to give to the home seller. Done deal. Hope the bank charges a little for the effort and service that they provided which is damn little. How in the hell can the bank secure the property in the first place when they really never did anything but exchange something for something.

Not only that but if the only way money can exist out here for us to play with is by "borrowing" it out then the only money there is out here existing for us to buy stuff with has to all be paid back correct? If we paid it all back then what will we use? I guess "borrow" somemore out right? But the problem that I see is that it looks very impossible to pay back the "loan" anyway because all that exists out here is borrowed money. What are we gonna use for the fun stuff. Not only that but the banks not only want back the "so called principal " of the "loan" the sombitches want more back than what they "loaned". Anybody can see the simple dilema that this will cause. Some people may be able to "pay" the bank back because theygot enough of someone elses "loaned" money from them but what about that poor sombitch. Unless he could invent the time machine or come up with some great ploy to get someone elses "loaned" money from them that poor bastard in screwed. Why, because the bank decided that somehow the property belonged to them when they can't possibly have any interest in something that they had nothing to do with in the first place.
The only way I see the problem being solved is by "borrowing" out more of the fake bullshit called money, but then again that's what started this whole mess in the first place.

Elmer Fudd said...

partysecured said...
Dear Utah
Even if complainer's ucc part of her post doesn't apply what about what the Fed publications have to say about how a bank transaction goes down?
Complainers Suck? = The High and mighty Marcia office manager?

tcob247 said...

Today is the moment of truth according to Kurt.

Also....only 13 days until he starts paying everyone back (according to his 9/13 post

Clueless Fudd said...

elmer,

To date: every association you tried to tie between person and user id is wrong. Your detective skills suck!

Tony Tuba said...

Looks like that swami nut is overthrowing the country for those that care.

http://www.wildcardzmarketing.com/neo_sucks/viewtopic.php?t=52&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

Seen it in Utah said...

To partysecured:

Regardless of the workings of the transaction, the fact is that (1) I went to a lender to borrow money (2) I received real money, which went to my title company which used the real money to pay money to the seller of the home and (3) I have agreed to pay that back pursuant to the terms of the loan documents. I have contracted to pay money to the lender, with interest. I was not forced to enter into that agreement; I did it voluntarily. The seller received funds, I received a home, and I agreed to pay for the home, with interest over time. End of story. To do otherwise is simply stealing. Or defaulting.

Tcob: You are most welcome. I wish you the best of luck.

Clueless Fudd said...

utah,

if you believe real money was used by anyone, you are a nut job.

Seen it in Utah said...

Clueless:

I have pointed out before--I am an owner of a title company. I get real money in each wire that we get from the lender--and we use real money that is paid to the sellers and other parties involved. Get those wires all day long. Pay people with that money all day long. Yep, real money.

And, regardless, as I said in my earlier post--the transaction is clear. Signed a Note and Trust Deed. Agreed to pay, with interest. You don't, you are either stealing, or in default, or both.

KYHOOYA said...

To:=Willing To Flea=

WillToFight said...
Koyotedogdickbreath

Who the hell are you. You must be disrepsected until you prove yourself worthy to be here!


Koyotedogdickbreathasslicker

10:57 AM

I will take your coment to be to me, its a bit of a streach to interpit your intent of direction with the spelling you used but no matter I'll except it.

So in responce to your comment I say this: GO BACK AND READ ASSHOLE. IF YOU CAN'T )and I beleave that to be the case ) THEN HAVE SOMEONE DO IT FOR YOU. I think you must of got off at the wrong port cause last I checked YOU SELF appointed Blog monitor, NO ONE (AND THAT INCLUDES YOU) IS GOING TO TELL ME WHAT, WHERE , HOW TO SAY ANYTHING
"disrepsected"

WHAT A DICK FOR BRAINS
hERE WHY DON'T YOU STOP ON BY AND SEE ME AND i'LL SHOW YOU WHAT YOU CAN "disrepsected"
who the fuck do you think you are? You thing I give two shits about wheather I have YOUR! respect or not HA! HA!HA!HA!HA1HA! FUCK OFF WERE DO YOU GET OFF of come on here and tell anyone weather or not they can do this or that PISS OFF BITCH! and for that matter I won't give your DISREGARDED ass another thought so GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS G(KYHOOYA)and try to keep it there it's a lot easier to breath that way, as for us it would sure help it you did that so your BREATH DID'NT SMELL SO BAD
So in my closing statment in all say this to you, Willingtotakeitupthebuthardfromlargebulldickedcellmate FUCK YOU ASS HOLE! and you might wantto try looking up the one word for the coorrect spelling that you hole comment is base on what a marroooon

As for Fle,Swami ect. who the fuck gives a shit if it $230,000 or $260,000 off shore num nuts and the fact that you had to put it up for inspecting eyes matters BECAUSE? here, let me help with that IT DON'T MATTER and now that it is out of the country it out isn't that the truth so my point that was stsated it the fact that you have off shore funds and that you were expecting there to be a probl;em. when you said that others here can't go after you for the damagees or for anything eles your sadly mistaken so sit back and relacks if you haven't been watching , the PTB can do anything they want dip shit

PTB= Anyone that can intice or bring together a mass of power to use to ther benifit
as long as were all in agreement Y-her-on-her sorry Your judgeship with out worry of reprisel for today and to day only here before you to proclaim the willtofornacate, Thats right so put your hands together and give a warm welcome fo are in house,,,,, Thats right you geuss it BIGGGG BROTHER no's alot.... yah alot of nothing L8R d:^}=/\==\/

Clueless Fudd said...

kayote,

please keep talking, as you ignorance shows more and more, shit for brains.

mogel said...

To "Seen it in Utah": Please tell everyone what Title Company you own. I for one am very curious. Many of the largest banks own or have a substantial ownership interest in many of the largest title companies. I suspect you are associated with one of the larger Title Companies. You are in fact part of the scamming process since you are benefiting financially from the lending scam, so it's obvious why you demean the Dorean Process & those associated with it. You have got to be one of the most closed minded persons I've ever listened to. You are provided proof of the lending fraud by federal reserve publications, & you still ignore the fact that in every lending transaction, the lender in fact isn't the creditor in the transaction.

In fact in every transaction, the perceived lender never fulfills their contract because they never risk their own capital & lend out their own funds according to what the borrower is lead to believe, when the lender advertises, "we have money to loan". Always, the funds are obtained through stealing (not providing compensation), for the asset (promissory note) from the borrower & altering or forging this document (changing the original agreement), to a negotiable instrument that can be sold for cash when the lender adds the words: "without recourse, pay to the order of XYZ Bank". When the borrowers asset is sold behind the back of the borrower without compensation, this is where the lender is stealing from the borrower. Since the borrower created the funds for his own loan, all monthly payments in fact should be put in escrow for the benefit of the creditor who in fact is the borrower in the lending transaction. The fraud is the lender makes the borrower believe he is NOT the creditor in the transaction, when in fact the bank's accounting proves that he is. The fraud is the bank keeps the monthly payments for their own
selfish purposes & aren't entitled to those monthly payments.

Yes, the UCC law does apply to the lending fraud & you are also sadly mistaken there too. In fact the value of the so called loan came from the borrower, not the lender. This fraud by the lender is the whole basis of the Dorean process. In fact the lender can never truly validate a loan & never does. When the lender doesn't validate the loan, this is all the legal justification necessary the Dorean process needs in order to alter the title on the property. UCC law backs this action up.

This is why the lien by the lender needs to be removed. This is why the Dorean Principles have committed no fraud by being part of releasing any liens by lenders. All they have done is made something that was originally wrong back to something that is right or fair. The lender is unduly & unjustly enriched in the lending process in every bank loan. Course since you benefit from this fraud, as an owner of the Title company, of course you are going to speak out against anyone or any group that interferes with your ill gotten gains by defending the original scam of the lenders & justifying their wrongful liens.

Sir Josiah Stamp , President of the Bank of England during the 1920's & second richest man in Great Britain was referring to people exactly like you that financially benefit wrongfully when he said: "Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create deposits, and with the flick of the pen they will create deposits to buy it back again. However take that away from them, and all great fortunes LIKE MINE will disappear. And they ought to disappear, for this world would be a better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them (bankers) continue to CREATE DEPOSITS." This is about the best confession you are going to get pertaining to the lending scam & coming from one of the biggest sinners of all time, his statement has great credibility, much more credibility than you have.

Notice banks don't lend their own money, they "create deposits" & they do it through iniquity (stealing).

Stop defending the real thiefs and develop some moral fiber & open up your closed mind. You will face the Judge of us all someday for your position & will have to account for your actions.

Mogel

Malachi's Hope said...

Yeah Mogel! Yes, yes, yes! Your 4:33pm comments is so true! Thank you! Hear ye hear ye! Stamp out the Lies in Lending and Support the Truth in Lending! Kurt and Scott are right! They are hero's that deserve to be supported in everyway possible. This is history in the making! We are so fortunate to have two men who are willing to stand for Truth in Lending and expose the Lies in Lending for all!

Thank you, Kurt and Scott for your sacrifices.

son of a prophet said...

It would seem that the following analogy applies to this discussion:

IF I borrow money from you (aka the FED), but later I find out that the money that you lent me was stolen, am I obligated to pay you back??

How one answers this reflects how they feel about the DG and the FED.

We know that the FED creates (steals) money because the money is not backed by gold so it only has value because the FED says it does and they have the power to enforce it. But the FED itself is controlled by a yet BIGGER bank; ie., the WORLD BANK. And on it goes.............

PEACE.

BetUdidn'tno said...

I hate to say this, but even thou all you guys may think that you are right. It really do not matter
I promise you that SEEN IT IN Utah is right & in the next few weeks there will be indictments against all of the brokers. And not only against the brokers but also against the the clients that are supporting them.

Be careful !!!!

whataboutjere said...

BetUdidn'tno, I hate to tell you this, but each time you and your cronies open your mouth supporting the fraud, the damages get larger and larger. Please, keep it up, you are funding our retirements.

BTW, does this count as support; Rah, Rah Rhee, kick em in the knew, Rah, Rah Rhass, kick em in the other knee, Goooooooooo Kurt!

Tony Tuba said...

Betudidn'tno, I bet you couldn't keep a straight face when you typed that horse shit analysis you wrote. Please Sherlock, tell us how Dorean clients are about to be rounded up like criminals with an eminent indictment. What is the difference between a client and a client who supports Dorean?

mogel said...

To: Bet U Didn't No:

You claim to be an "insider", so if you are an insider & know something for a fact that you can promise something as far as indictments in a given period of time, then, you are part of the fraud. If not, & your prediction doesn't come true in the next FEW weeks of indictments against all participants of the Dorean Process, then, that makes you a false prophet AND a liar. I promise you there is a special place prepared especially for liars. I promise you that you don't even have to wait a few weeks to find out there is a special place prepared for you. You have already been indicted by the Highest Power there is; God himself. I promise you this place compares not to any earthly prison as a place you don't want to go. "Seen it in Utah" & you don't even have to wait a few weeks to find out that you've ALREADY been indicted. By the way, "be careful", & repent soon because the day will come when your time for repentence will be past & you will be unable to repent. Course if the powers that be have already started things into action such as indictments, soon down the road, there is no need to "be careful" as you put it. Your own words reveal the fool that you are as if you care for Dorean clients or people that support Dorean. Give me a break. People that care, never use force or threats to show their caring. People like you always use threats when reason & logic fails. I'm counting the days for your PROMISE of fruition. I've even purchased a special calender to put on my wall.

On and thank you for telling everyone that the truth doesn't matter. If that doesn't expose your ignorance, then nothing else will. Have a good day, but PLEASE BE CAREFUL.

Mogel

KYHOOYA said...

Clueless Fudd said...
kayote,

please keep talking, as you ignorance shows more and more, shit for brains.

2:40 PM

Thanks for your input, All take it under.... NOT!!! WHAT A FUCKING JOKE! YOU ASS WIPE! KISS OFF. WHAT CAN'T FIND A NAME YOU LIKE OR ARE JUST ONE OF THOSE WHO LIKE TO TALK SHIT AND RUN. MAYBE IF YOU GET A HOLE LOT OF DIFFERANT NAME TO POST BY YOU WILL BE BELEVABLE. NOT... Well you just might be, let's think about it. if you post under oh... let's say 10 differant name's a day for maybe 5 day's you just might beable to get 2 of them to beleave what you say. HA!HA!HA1HA!HA1HA1AHA!HA1HA!!!! Your pethedick ... or me's think just a DICK... FUCK OFF! HOW'S THAT FOR RESPECTABILLITY (or in your case it) Repsectablity right? isn't that how you spelled it and if you like shit for brains why don't you take that pee wee dick of your's out of you ear and lisen up to what's said here and learn something for a chang instead of fucking yourself so much. by the way for the record I could give a shit about what you have to say or the way you spell it YOU MEEN NOTHING TO ME AND I DO MEEN NOTHING WHAT WAS THAT? DID I HEAR SOMETHING ? NA.. IT WAS ( NOTHING ) L8RN



KURT nice job on the post. I would think it's about time for AS SEEN IN THE BANK said what his real job is. it the big picture fokes, that's what it's all about the little shit, Well... sometimes if set in some shit, you have to scape it off your shoe, Now don't you hey don't let it get to you they can only slow it the wheels' have been put it to motion Thank's to you both

it's a job that's for sure. no wonder why people like the randolph Hearst of the world ust be able to make and brake leaders with the swipe of a pen. people realy do beleave what they read right now without a second thought just like a lemming so I would guess part of that job of your's is to spend time heving to deal with the like's of AS SEEN IN U.. or the lemming's will just follow the word of the day Keep up the fight your doing just fine. I hope to send you a little something I had for many years now it's called the " Final Word " and I"ll see if I can get it to you through dad will see you will laugh your ass off l8tr

KYHOOYA said...

tO: ANY AND ALL LIKE Ferral L. I feel that I should state for the record just where I stand and to whom I stand with. So here you go CCR and Ferral L. I stand on they are snakes and I will politly leave it at that.

Kurt & (Scott who I hope is hanging) as I have stated before you have my up most respect and with that go my support. Hell if it is a scam, well I dought it but if it is, at the very least I walk with a ED I WOULD NEVER HAVE HAD thats for sure
and for the one out there who have lost something in this prosses I give you my simpathy but as the the responcablity puyt it were iy belong's first
1. yourself = if you wan't someone to blame& you do. everyone dose when thing don't go right.
2. if you got involved here than the only conclution one must come to is that you were in some kind of trouble with your money to start thats why you would be interested Right.
3. CCR now for were the blame and it's rightful place CCR. there the one spotting off all the numbers and the one 's who are false Addvertising ( that should bring ferral L. out too say somthing plesent i'm sure) but that's the facts
4. and last you had to know the risk and you were willing to take it if not than you have know right to manage you own money and should have someone appointed to do so for you. I mean come on who would'nt see the risk here no matter what the CCR. of the program say is or is not DO YOU BELEAVE EVERYTHING YOU SEE OR HEAR ON T.V. OR INTERNET? IF SO THAT AGAIN YOU AHOULD HAVE SOMEOMNE MANAGE YOU MONEY It's not safe . there are people out there who for as long as time has been selling something to someone have told the story a lottle to the extra strech of the truth to sell it to you and us as the spend happy or save my ass unhappy americans we by it by the truck load (just put some sholac on the dog shit and a nice pink bow and will buy it and call it a pet shit or rock or something like that but hey let get real hear for all the B.S AND WHO'S RIGHT OR WRONG WE HAVE TO TAKE RESPONCEABLITY FOR ARE SELF'S And nothing that anyone is going to do is going to change that ( there not going get what you lost back for you because you see you lost it to the bank and there not giving it back ) You spin the wheel and somretime you win & sometimes your not so lucky but you new that there was that chance of both when you spun it. so again for the loss I will give you my heart felt simpaty and i wish you the best. and don't get me wrong I'm not say one way or another what you have to do to make it right for your self that your chose as with everything I'm just stateing my posion on all the issiues at hand for the powers to be again good luck to all and I hope I have made myself clear if not I don't realy care if you fell the need to respond to this as I'm sure that Ferral L. at CCR. will under his own name or not but hey thats' to be expected fromhim isn't it? ,... Kurt Scotty peace! for me See ya! l8r

and for thoseout there : That's right I din't even reread this post for any spelling, gramer, struckture, or a thing don't care don't have time, and your thoghts on the matter don't matter abit as I look at the BIG PICTURE that is .

Seen it in Utah said...

I find it interesting that folks in here seem so anxious to get specific information about me and people I know, but everyone else seems very content to indulge in total anonymity. Tell you what...you post real names and addresses and I will do the same.

Mogel is quite right--many title companies are in fact in the pocket of or are owned in various ways and parts by big lenders. It is a source of frustration for those of us who own small companies who are not. My company is a small one (22 employees, total) and is is 100% owned by me and my two partners.

I think part of the reason that some of the people in this blog are aggravated at me and call me "closed-minded" is becuase I don't follow their thinking like sheep. Many of the people in the Dorean bunch have followed like sheep. They have been preached to and hear things that they like and start with the "amen" and the "I believe". I don't go that route. I learn for myself. I research, not only from the sources cited in here (the Fed and banking publications) but also from other sources. I add to that my own experience from law school and years of subsequent practice, both as an attorney and as an owner of a title company.

Are there problems in the way our money system is set up? Sure. But the problems are not being addressed by Dorean. Trying to suck money out of thousands, promising that the title will be "free and clear" after engaging in a fraudlent scam does not fix any problems. It only makes a lot of people defaulters in the terms of their own mortgage agreements and will, eventually, leave people without homes and possibly facing criminal sanctions.

I know I beat this horse regularly, but when you go to a mortgage company to borrow money to buy a house, you sign papers to agree to repay that money, with interest over time. By fraudulently trying to "release" the mortgage from the property you do not right a wrong. You simply create another wrong. And, as has been pointed out in this blog--frankly whether your intepretation of the money system is correct or incorrect, it doesn's realy matter. You have signed a contract with an obligation to repay, with interest, over time. You don't, you default. You default, you lose the house.

By trying to put another loan in place quickly after scamming the first lender, that compounds the wrong. And, by doing so, it is clear that you know you are doing something wrong--attempting to steal. Again. Sadly, NO one doing this process will remain unscathed. You will be out of your home, or money, or both.

No one has completed this process successfully. No one will. The piece of paper that you got from Kurt or Scott saying you mortgage is gone is not valid.

Have a nice weekend.

complainers suck said...

KYHOOYA said...
3. CCR now for were the blame and it's rightful place CCR. there the one spotting off all the numbers and the one 's who are false Addvertising ( that should bring ferral L. out too say somthing plesent i'm sure) but that's the facts

KYHOOYA,

You are sadly mistaken in your "theory". Your superhero's Kurt and Scott participated in broker sponsored conference calls, correct? This means they approved of the presentation or it would have been changed like they forced brokers to do with information on their websites that they were not comfortable being published. I know they participated in the calls I was on with the broker I signed up with. If they had a problem with the presentation, they would have made that group change it, as the way they did with the websites.

The facts are you don't know the facts.

Elmer Fudd said...

complainers_suck said...
KYHOOYA said...
3. CCR now for were the blame and it's rightful place CCR. there the one spotting off all the numbers and the one 's who are false Addvertising ( that should bring ferral L. out too say somthing plesent i'm sure) but that's the facts

Applause to you Complainers, cause i can't understand one word that is written there...You must speak the same language as he does Dumb!!! Hey clueless= Solvo You still suck (_)_)============D----

whataboutjere said...

Seen it in Utah, beautifully crafted exhortation, and very subjective I might add! You seem very transparent, right off the bat I see two major problems within your dissertation:

1. Attorney (you)
2. Title Insurance Partner (you)

Hmmm, who's best interest do you really have at heart here?

Please though, do continue posting here. You and Betchuforgotaboutconstitutionalrights are solidifying Kurt's stance.

You have a wonderful weekend yourself!

Clueless Fudd said...

Elmer, if you cannot understand what she stated, you really are an Imbecile (im-be-cile).

pasak said...

seen it in utah,
you must be one of those utah mormons. "oh I signed an agreement to pay back the bank. Who cares if they stole from me. I'll be christ like and pay them anyway."

I would also like to know where these utahns that you said have lost their homes. what county are they in?

Elmer Fudd said...

LoL Yur fuckin dumb as a stump too...Clueless must have been the doctor smacking your mom before you were born instead of waiting till after you were born...Douche bag

Clueless Fudd said...

Elmer, wrong again! Clueless Fudd, ie. ME was the person smacking your (elmer) mother around with his dick and then decided to conceive you due to your mother begging for more. So I then did her doggie style and read a Jeff Foxworthy book on "You know you are a redneck...", and we then conceived your sorry ass.

Elmer Fudd said...

LoL Now the story you told is really about your life experiences you sorry sack of crap..:P But it's okay i understand why you would be mad at the world coming from a disfunctional family AKA Daddy raping ya in the basement..That would make anyone go insane..Take some prozac and go to bed, amybe tomm will be a brighter day.

partysecured said...

Utah said:
Regardless of the workings of the transaction, the fact is that (1) I went to a lender to borrow money (2) I received real money, which went to my title company which used the real money to pay money to the seller of the home and (3) I have agreed to pay that back pursuant to the terms of the loan documents. I have contracted to pay money to the lender, with interest. I was not forced to enter into that agreement; I did it voluntarily. The seller received funds, I received a home, and I agreed to pay for the home, with interest over time. End of story. To do otherwise is simply stealing. Or defaulting.


Dear Utah

You are using words like "real money" and "lender" and "contract" as if you know what they really mean.

It seems like you are assuming that just because you think you agreed to take a "loan" that was really never "lent" to you in the first place that the "contract" is still valid which shouldn't be the case if one party in the "contract" can't hold up to their end of the bargain.

So no it isn't the end of story. How does "real money" come into existence? How can you pay back all of the principal and the "interest"? Is it even mathmatically possible?

tcob247 said...

Kurt...

What happened with "the moment of truth" on Friday?

habakkuk said...

Seen it in Utah,
You and Tcob just dont get it do u.....Do we have to go back to Mortgage Fraud 101 for u guys just so u can catch up and have a real conversation?

tcob247 said...

No thanks...
Don't want to end up in jail like your hero's.

Do you?

partysecured said...

Tcob said:
No thanks...
Don't want to end up in jail like your hero's.

Do you?

Words of a scaredy cat

mogel said...

To Seen It In Utah: The Rothschild Brothers of London,in 1863 said the following & it refers to the class of people like you perfectly: "The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it's profits or so dependant on it's favors, that there will be NO OPPOSITION from that class". Spoken like a true banker: "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws"--- Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild. Course today the Courts seem to defend the banking scam.

You say you have read the Federal Reserve Publications, so I can only assume you understand them with all of the experience & degrees you proclaim you have & you choose to support the lending scam because it blesses you with filthy lucre and hence you have no opposition to banking reform.

For you to say that the Dorean Process doesn't address the lending problems is just plain silly. Have you read the "Affidavit of truth" in the Dorean Presentment? The affidavit addresses many problems and has 50 issues it discusses why the so called loan is illegal & why the lender is committing fraud. If the lender isn't committing fraud, why doesn't just one lender addresss the issues just even once?

Mogel

livinginxs said...

Kurt, where are you - we need a new post

tcob247 said...

partysecured....

Are you willing to go to jail???

partysecured said...

Fear is jail-jail is fear, ignorance or lack of knowledge produces fear. I do not feel it is necessary to will either of these.

But I do recognize your point, and would hope you see mine.

tcob247 said...

partysecured

Good side step

You didnt answer my question
Are you willing to physically go to jail for this?

You accused me of being a scaredy cat

If you are not willing to go to jail then what are you?
Back up your accusation and answer the question

Heine said...

hmm

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Heine said...

Kurt, you are heartless. Scott has a family to come home to, unlike you who has Dr. Scott. Tell me, where is Dr. Scott now. What would Dr. Scott do?

dgwondering said...

Byron - you know by now that the alleged "Affidavit of truth" in the Dorean Presentment" has already been ruled on by the courts as utterly bogus. Attorneys filing that BS are getting sanctioned.

But keep promoting the mythology and see how many more people get in trouble with it. Hopefully they'll get down far enough into the pile to nab you for scamming people with knowingly fraudulent crap.

partysecured said...

Please understand when I read this post from you.......

"No thanks...
Don't want to end up in jail like your hero's."

......is that you don't end up in jail just because you look behind the curtain to see that the wizard of oz is just a scared pussy too. He's just the one making you think that "physical" jail is there for those who don't play by his rules. I know this because many of my close friends are prison guards who have been in the system too long and have seen the switch from throwing the "bad guys" in jail to now just throwing the "ignorant" guys in jail.

Kurt Johnson is neither of these yet he still is in "physical" jail. He ofcourse is only there because he allowed himself to be there to fight the wizard on his back porch. Kurt can handle it whereas guys like you couldn't conceive of it.

I won't go to "physical" jail over this because it isn't necesarry. We already have a guy that's tougher than fuckin concrete in there to fight from the inside-out where Kurt knew the fight would ineviteably be taking place.

But no no-one else will go to jail over "this" unless they feel it necesarry to do and this includes me.

I didn't mean to accuse you of being a scaredy cat..... just that the words you chose proved you to be one.
Now as I understand it I'm being accused as being a side stepper which doesn't bother me because whether you believe it or not everything always works out exactly the way it should whether your stepping to the side or not.






Research and excerpts from LETTERS FROM JAIL

From: Lynn Schmaltz

I had many opportunities to educate women on the monetary system of jail. The moment an order is written, whether it’s a warrant or a traffic ticket, or whatever, the money machine is activated. Every prisoner has a monetary value to our government whether its local, county, state or federal. Bonds are written based on the person’s name and social security number and are sold through a brokerage firm such as AG Edwards or Merrill Lynch who has the contract to sell all the prison bonds for the city, county, state or federal prisons. Over 50% of the money market bonds right now are purchased in Japan or China. I’ve been told by researchers that Walmart and, used to be, Kmart also purchase these bonds, Walmart mostly doing so by emptying out bank accounts at night. Both companies are fronts for enormous money machines.

The way the bond works is that a monetary value is placed on the alleged crime and then factored the way banks factor their money. In other words if a person is convicted of a felony the ‘value’ would be $4 million. The county/city/ state then multiplies it by ten, so the bond that goes out for sale with the prisoner’s name and social security number is a short-term ‘promissory’ note. It’s offered at $40 million. Perhaps an investor will offer 40% of the $40 million, or $16 million. Once this ‘promissory note’ of the face value of $40 million reaches the banks it is then multiplied again by 200 to 300% and sold as bank securities. For those of you who wonder why the US has more people in prison per capita than any other nation on earth, you’ll begin to understand how we can have a weakening economy and still fund wars overseas. It’s all based on prisoners....in other words, prison for profit.

Knowing all this and knowing that a prisoner can have a ‘net worth’ of say, $10,000 per day in the money markets, helped me explain to many bewildered women why they were in jail. We were only merchandise in a warehouse. The storage was pretty cheap; one woman while in jail researched the cost of feeding prisoners per day which ranged from 74 cents to $2.72 per prisoner per day.

partysecured said...

From: "Lynn Schmaltz"
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: Paine Webber

"OWNERS OF THE PRISON SYSTEM IN AMERICA"

*Owners of the Prison Systems in America* CORRECTION CORP OF AMERICA headquartered in Nashville, Tennessee owns all private prison systems in AMERICA and are selling the commercial paper. How it Works: A bid bond is done on Form 24, which comes out of the GSA Office (General Services Administration which is out of GAO (General Accounting Office} which is under the Comptroller General. This Blake Bond Bid Bond is promulgated at the time the social security card is issued. When you are arrested the bond is filled out and they issue a Performance Bond, which is done from Form 25, and then they do a Payment Bond, which is a Form 25A.

The Bonds are being underwritten by the Banks. This is where the PAINE WEBBER GROUP comes in. The Plaintiff in all criminal tax cases in the USA is the PAINE WEBBER GROUP as the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. The PAINE WEBBER GROUP is a group of international businesses. The PAINE WEBBER GROUP is providing the Securities for the prisons and is selling the Bonds, and the Banks, The ABA (AMERICAN BANKING ASSOCIATION) like LEHMEN BROTHERS, in New York City, are the underwriters on the Bonds. The Banks (the underwriters) is where the money is originally coming from.

A six digit tracking number is issued for the Certificate of Stocks in the Commodity and Security Exchange in the USA by CUSIP (see www.cusip.com and www.cjts.com the law enforcement tracking software) and a nine digit number (called Ordnance Number) is issued for the Certificate of Stocks going internationally to ANNA (Lynn's note: see link for ANNA which is in Brussels, Belgium at www.cusip.com ). These Securities are sold through the Commodity and Security Exchange. The bottom line is they are selling stocks in the prison system. The jails are referred to as Warehouses and the prisoners are called Goods (oops, Lynn had it 'wrong'....she told the ladies in Bernalillo County Metropolitan Detention Center that we were in the Warehouse and we were the 'Merchandise' which explained the many flimsy reasons many of the ladies were in the prison.....it was just business, and just revenue). They are selling the Goods or the Account as Chattel, and as Commercial Paper on the Stock Exchange. Reminds one of the days when slaves were bought and sold on the auction block!

The PAINE WEBBER GROUP is the prime stockholder in this CCA (Correction CORP of America). (Lynn's note: the transport company who transported her to Colorado in a van with 16 other prisoners being transported about had the words "Transport Corporation of America....Nashville, Tennessee." Transport rides are also called 'diesel therapy' by those who know about them.} However twenty of the largest companies such as WAL-MART; EXON; GENERAL MOTORS; FORD MOTORS; CHEVY; TEXICO; CITY CORP; IBM; EXPHILIP; HEWLETT PACKARD; VERIZON; UNITED POSTAL SERVICE (UPS); and etc. are also involved as well as other stock holding corporations (There are sixteen pages of the names of corporations that hold these stocks amounting to billions of [dollars].) Of course the monies generated is all off budget with no accounting to the People, even though the CORRECTION CORP OF AMERICA through the PAINE WEBBER GROUP is acting in the capacity of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

AMERICAN LEGISLATIVE EXCHANGE COUNCIL: Promotes Privatization of the Prison System. Paul Weybrick (may be miss spelled) runs what is called the FREE CONGRESS FOUNDATION, which owns the AMERICAN LEGISLATIVE EXCHANGE COUNCIL. THE REASON FOUNDATION and THE CORNELL COMPANY are involved as well.

The following are notes I wrote after Paul and I were released from Colorado on August 20, 2004. Right now there are many forms of jail in the US--actual jail, CCP ankle bracelet, transport jail, probation, parole.........they all generate income:

Paul and I were released on Friday on personal recognizance and allowed to go to New Mexico. We have a hearing in CO on Sept 13, 04. We got home Sat. night and have been doing catch up here at home today. I'll write an update on Monday or Tuesday. I will especially have some words about the very heinous prison transport system in our country. For now suffice it to say that it took 20 hours in a prison van with 16 prisoners to get from Albuquerque to Hot Sulphur Springs, normally a 8 or 9 hour trip. All of us rode in hand cuffs and shackles the entire trip. There were 3 stops for McDonalds' 'food.' No one but the officers got off the van unless they were being dropped off. No exercise at any point. No movement allowed but to use the porta potty on board. Cattle being transported across country are generally treated better. I talked with a man who'd been on transport from California to Colorado since July 8, 04. My transport date was August 11, 04. Someone in the Midwest told me he knew of a prisoner being transported for six months and occasionally dropped off in a county jail somewhere to await a different transport van. It's my understanding that once you're a prisoner in the system, the county/agency holding you is floating bond for $10,000 per day with your name and your bar code (Soc. sec. #) and these bonds are bundled periodically and sold through Merrill Lynch, AG Edwards, etc. for each state.

Prison for profit........it's not just baloney and white bread. More later and thanks for keeping up your daily news. Paul was released from CCP (ankle bracelet) in Albuquerque and allowed to drive up to Hot Sulphur where he spent another 3 days in jail (my time over the summer has been 5 days in May, 18 days in June-July, 15 days in August and on house arrest, bond from May 24 to June 25, and ankle bracelet from mid-July to August 5, 04). Thankfully, Paul with all his transplant medications, diabetes medications, was in from May 19-24, 04. The rest of the time he was on bond or ankle bracelet house arrest. I doubt he'd have survived a prolonged transport situation. The alleged crime? "Influencing a public office" and "filing a false document." This is what they called our UCC1 financing statement sent when we informed public officials there would be a fee for using our copyrighted property (PAUL SCHMALTZ and PATRICIA SCHMALTZ), which they did anyway.

And, of course, there were no repercussions for those officials when they held a fraudulent, unpublished sale our home/business on the court house steps, etc. As you well know there is no remedy in the courts of any kind. They completely ignored our sovereign status with Little Shell Pembina and Apostille with the sovereignty filed by cancellatura.

Lynn Schmaltz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I just found the notes on Jack Smith and Gene Keating’s research on prisoner bonds (not the kind you bail out with). www.cjts.com is the criminal justice tracking system software which shows the software that metro police departments use. Go to the user manual and it takes to 2% appearance bond fees. Then go to special operating software for courtrooms and it shows you how the 2% appearance bond fees are tied to the defendant's account. Go to the bottom in the original user's manual and it says, "Fine accounting." Further up the page is assessments. it shows how it's all tracked from beginning to end. FONTDIV

A caller wrote to a court once and send, "Send me a complete accounting of my case." It came back showing a $90,000 active security and they said, "Your paperwork has been forwarded to the Department of Justice." The caller wrote a week later and said, "Send me a final pay-off amount for all my money. What would there be after 18 years without any fees, fines and interest."

They said, "We sent all your stuff to the Department of Justice. Go to GOTOBUTTON BM_3_ www.cjts.com and you'll see all there is to see about a public witness. The caller downloaded it. Roger Elvick had written something about stock exchange transactions.

Once you get the bond you are creditor in fact. Alan comes on the phone call with Jack Smith who had studied Roger Elvick's stuff intensely. He understands marketing accounts and the courts. Roger had said, "We have to find a way to track the account." The caller on Jack's program grabbed the phone book and just randomly picked a brokerage company .......

AG Edwards. He called up to talk to a broker. Caller says he's trying to figure something out. If there was someone trading bonds in the bond market in the caller's name without his permission could he track the account. AG Edwards broker says they would have to have a social security number or a driver's license number. Caller says he knows someone who was trading in Roger Elvick's name. Broker asked if it was a friend, family member or corporation? Caller said to the broker it was a corporation. Broker then said every bond has a cusip #........Committee on Uniform Securities Identification Process Number.

You can go to www.cusip.com. There are two main outlets -- Chicago and New York. You'd have to find out who their transfer agents are and then you could track the trade. You can even find out if funds are being embezzled off the account.

When the cop gives you a ticket and you go into court, the judge is using this as a credit item to trade in the markets and he's doing calls. What if someone went in and caught them short on the margin call?

The broker at AG Edwards knew what the caller was talking about. He said, "IF you want to follow this up anymore, you'll have to go to the Securities Exchange division in your state. So, the next thing the caller did was check the Department of Financial Institution of his state on the web and looked up securities exchange division. The advisory committee showed AG Edwards was the transfer agent for the state, making all the bond trades.

The cop does all the paper work in the car. He is creating the assessment and the paperwork in his car when he makes out the ticket by using name, social security number, and driver's license number. They assume you voluntarily gave it to the cop and make the trade. Every cop is a private business contractor working for the corporation. If this is true then you can follow up on every trade made in your name on your exemption. Find the bond written on your birth certificate. Use that and access your exemption through the stock market that way.

Roger Elvick knew this. The transfer and transfer agent and the number with social security number and every case number will be listed. Every traffic ticket will be listed. Broker says if Ameritrade had a trade he could track it, but he can't track AG Edwards, and others. It's going to take someone higher up. The brokers are enslaved by their industry. When you have a job your company is using your social security number.

They'll keep taking your exemption even if you leave that company. AG Edwards sells the prisoner/traffic bonds for several states. How does this correlate with admiralty? Jack Smith says that in admiralty the vessels are carrying commodities and goods. So they carry invoices, packing slips and bills of lading. Warrants and securities back up the goods. Lag--goods that float on the water. Gene Keating says that Title 46 is the shipping code in admiralty. Secretary of Transportation is the receiver of the bankruptcy of the UNITED STATES -- section 1247 Title 46--he's the receiver and trustee. He's talking about the carriage of goods sea act which is Title 46 in the appendix. Bills of lading are all documents of title--warrants and documents are all under the UCC and deal with documents of title. Title 46 Sections 181-189--admiralty is very complex. Even judges are taught on a need to know basis. Appellate judges often don't know all this.

This all leads to different aspects of admiralty/maritime law, both inside and outside the courtroom. The carriage of goods act, Title 46, is all governed by the Secretary of Transportation--the Coast Guard, Secretary of Commerce and the treasury are all under Secretary of Transportation and it's all in commerce. The Secretary of transportation is the head of the maritime commission. All vessels are registered under Title 46, Section 31-301 which talks about maritime liens that arise by operation of law. There's a maritime lien commission. The Secretary of Transportation is running everything because we are all on the 'highway of commerce'--the water came inland, so to speak, and now it's here under the law of trust. Everyone who comes into the courtroom is a ward in admiralty--a ward of the court. We're in an "in rem" proceeding in admiralty in a title dispute and we have to come in as the title holder or have interest or claim in the subject matter of the complaint, or we are the 'vessel' and they have arrested 'the vessel.'

We're not in common law in the courts, we're in admiralty and they get jurisdiction by arresting the vessel. They (lawyers/district attorneys/law enforcement) don't use the proper process and they need to trick, cajole, deceive, pressure us to do whatever they need to do and have us make a mistake to give them 'in personam jurisdiction' over us when we take on the attributes of a general appearance to the subject matter of the pleadings against the defendant "in rem" and we start acting in any capacity on the merits of the charges or by taking on the persona of the defendant vessel 'in rem.' There's lots more to this, but I think you get the gist about 'prisons for profit.'

In tying this all together it would appear that there are many laggard souls, some are incarcerated in prison and some are working in the prisons. And many, many more are indifferent to what is going on in our country as far as prisons and prisoners are concerned. When I explained my case to women, many said, “Why do you bother trying to change things? To stand up to the system?” I’d always explain to them the concept of our earth trying to ascend to higher consciousness and take all the souls along, even the laggard souls. I’d explain how we could use the light of the angels, masters and God through us as flashlights .....

tcob247 said...

question

who is Lynn Smaltz and why is she in jail?

GR82BMOI said...

Mogel wrote:

For you to say that the Dorean Process doesn't address the lending problems is just plain silly. Have you read the "Affidavit of truth" in the Dorean Presentment? The affidavit addresses many problems and has 50 issues it discusses why the so called loan is illegal & why the lender is committing fraud. If the lender isn't committing fraud, why doesn't just one lender addresss the issues just even once?

Why would they waste the time? The simple truth is that banks are organized legally, and loans are orginated legally under state and federal law. In addition, there are laws that prohibit certain banking practices and more laws that require lenders to give you specific information in specific format at specific times when you apply for, or obtain a loan. If the lender does not comply with the laws, or has committed fraud, the laws also entitle you to certain remedies, none of which include presenting an "Affadavit of Truth", or the filing of phony mortgage releases.

mogel said...

Gr82bmoi: You stated, "why would the banks waste their time" to answer the Dorean Presentment. It's simple. They receive twice what they claim is owed. That's a HUGE INCENTIVE. As far as the excuse that they would be wasting their time is a bogus response. It wouldn't take that long at all to answer the affidavit of truth & collect on the Dorean bond. Look at all of the time the banks waste in foreclosing, hiring attornies, and all of the government involvement now, not to mention all the time & cost of all the propaganda & bad publicity that Title Companies & banks spend to make themselves look pure. Is that wasted time as you put it?

If I offered you a way to double your money with little effort, you would jump at it, unless by doing so, I could use your answers to convict or prove a scheme YOU are involved in. The answer why they don't answer the presentment is obvious, but like any "side stepper", you have to come up with another reason to mask the real truth.

Someone posted a while back saying that in effect a person can commit a crime & go to jail even though they were ignorant of the crime they committed, and this person used a speeding violation as an example of a crime, & some other examples. The problem with correlating these examples to Scott & Kurt & the Dorean Group is that the examples DON'T apply. The big problem is that the government needs to prove FRAUD which is very difficult to prove. It's easier to prove that OJ Simpson killed his wife in criminal court than for the government to prove fraud against the Dorean Group. To prove fraud, there must be willful & knowledgeable intent to violate the law. Look up the word fraud in the dictionary: "INTENTIONAL DECEPTION." I just don't see the intent to defraud when a LEGITIMATE bond is there to make the lender whole, assuming the lender has been damaged. If there is no bank fraud, all the other charges seem to disappear & fade away & have no legal effect.

All the Dorean process does basically is subrogate the debt owed by the client & this debt is taken on by another party. This debt is paid in good faith. When a debt is paid in good faith, the lien needs to be released according to the UCC. That's law. That IS a remedy. That remedy is right there in black & white in the UCC, Title 13, Section 3603. There was a legitimate tender of payment, so there needs to be a legitimate release of lien. Where's the fraud?

Please don't give the bogus response that the lender must be paid in "certified funds" and not a bond. No where in the mortgage agreement does it talk about "certified funds" as the only way to pay a mortgage as to what the client/borrower agreed to. When mortgage companies demand certified funds, it is just their own policy, not based upon any agreement between the parties.

To the person that said, that the "affidavit of truth" has been ruled against by the Courts as a bogus theory or whatever, please give me the case numbers of this precedence. I don't know of any Court proceeding that has specifically addressed this affidavit of truth specifically addressing all points. I certainly don't hold Judge Alsup's propaganda or decisions as referring to any of this since his rulings aren't even legal anyway since he ruled on a case that was dismissed by the Plaintiff anyway, BEFORE he made a ruling. He didn't even have jurisdiction to rule once the case was dismissed. The Judge was OUT OF ORDER. His rulings don't apply to the Dorean process anyway & specifically the affidavit of truth was never even mentioned in his Court rulings also. The problem with Judge Alsup's decision is that the legitimate bond that was tendered, & the right to take title, due to the "agency by estoppel" legal theory, was never even addressed or debated, so the piers of the process were never really discussed at any time. When the heart issues are never discussed,or debated, or ruled upon, any rulings become "fantasy island" rulings.

Mogel

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