Saturday, September 17, 2005

Stupid Investment

I have been receiving many trustee termination notices. There appears to be a template being followed that was supplied by my father. Can you please add some additional language so I don’t have to respond to everyone? “The grantor’s understand that our original estate shall remain within this trust and that the trustees shall depart with the separate estate created by their efforts bifurcated away for their own use and discretion.” Thank You.

As I have said before Dorean has taken in about 5 million credits. This would mean that the brokers took in about 10 million credits. I have decided that I will fund the payback escrow to cover even the broker fees. I will even allow the fools like Gayle Marie Bradshaw who already contracted out of a refund to participate. For you critics this would mean I will be losing 10 million in broker compensation, 6 million in Letter of Credit fees and 12 million in trust expenses. Which means for you “love of money” idiots I have lost 28 million. Now you can criticize me for being a stupid investor. For 28 million I managed to purchase thousands of self centered, lazy, blame specialist clients. My integrity is the good investment. I don’t expect the vultures to delight in the truth or my enemies. I still need about a month to set this up. Admittingly it would be easier on the streets which could be soon. Utah is showing signs of fatigue. Scotty has crumbled under the pressure and can still use your support. He is a good man that really wants truth but has too many personal cares to see the big picture. For the few faithful and knowledgeable I make this vow to you. I will not quit until the enemy surrenders. We will see our desires have their way with those who oppose our freedom.

109 comments:

livinginxs said...

Another 30 day promise. Kurt keep your chin up. Your Brokers need to step up for those refunds

Still Believe said...

Does this mean that I am going to get back my $4,500 investment and that the fight is officially over?

neodemes said...

“The grantor’s understand that our original estate shall remain within this trust and that the trustees shall depart with the separate estate created by their efforts bifurcated away for their own use and discretion.”

Huh?

complainers suck said...

I think what he is trying to say is that he's going to pay back your investment into the program once the back-end payouts start. Hence, you will have paid nothing into the program to come in when all is said and done, not that refunds will be given out now.

dgwondering said...

"...fund the payback escrow to cover even the broker fees..."

Fund what escrow with what money? Another bogus bond from another bogus trust that's supposedly buying up all that collateral estoppel crap?

And anybody who puts anything this guy suggests into a legal agreement is only setting themselves up for more trouble.

BetUdidn'tno said...

I Bet You Didn't Know

Once a company principals have been taken into custody, if there are still any significant income still coming in the Gov will order the company into receivership to ensure the funds are distributed as prescribed.

Have any-one seen or heard any news about a Receivership ??

complainers suck said...

Monday, September 12, 2005
Good News!
Dorean as you know it has ceased. There is no more staff


Where have you been in the last 5 days, or have you not kept up, duh?

whataboutjere said...

Kurt, with all due respect, I don't want to tell you what to do or anything, but doesn't it make sense to refund these peoples once all those who've stuck it out through the shit with you been paid? I'm all for the idea of the refund, but damn, I don't want to be put on the back burner cause of these folks, they still have their homes, some of us don't. Can ya smell what I'm cookin?

Road King said...

neodemes,

Wadayamean "Huh?" The sentence simply states that anything you (Grantor) put into the trust, stays in the trust. Any GAIN in the trust that was enjoyed as a direct benefit due to the work of the trustees (Scott & Kurt) belongs to them. I THINK!

Chow!

Elmer Fudd said...

Saturday, September 17, 2005
Stupid Investment
I have been receiving many trustee termination notices. There appears to be a template being followed that was supplied by my father. Can you please add some additional language so I don’t have to respond to everyone? “The grantor’s understand that our original estate shall remain within this trust and that the trustees shall depart with the separate estate created by their efforts bifurcated away for their own use and discretion.” Thank You.
His own father is giving him the shaft.Nothing like family giving you ol stiffer roo.

Ace said...

elmer fudd, You posted an interesting comment about Bill Julian getting one property free and clear using the Dorean process. Have you been able to find out if it's legit? Does anyone out there have any info as to how Success Trust is doing with their new program?

neodemes said...

Posted by Pauligirl
05 Aug 2005 09:40 pm
Post subject: latest from the Julian Case
http://www.rei-resource.com/rei-forum/viewtopic.php?t=95

The latest from the Julian Case, Order filed August 3, 2005...
In brief....The case was originally moved to US District court based on federal questions raised by the Julians. The court has now said there are no federal questions and that the "vapor money" defense and counterclaims have been rejected by every court which has considered it and that there no authority or any acts which show that any federal statutes have been violated.

Directly from the filing:
The Court observes that there is no requirement that a loan must be made with legal tender before a court will deem it valid. While dollar bills and coins have been declared by Congress as legal tender, see 31 U.S.C. § 5103, and so can be used to pay any debt, not all debts need be paid in legal tender if the parties agree. Upon an examination of the record, it is quite apparent that the loan properly served the purpose of providing the Julians with the funds they needed to purchase the property located at 522 M Avenue, Cayce, South Carolina. As such, the Court agrees with the Magistrate Judge that the defenses and counterclaims of the Julians do not show a violation of any of the federal statutes that are cited to in their Answer and Counterclaim.

NBSC's Motion to Hold the Trust in Default
Additionally, NBSC moves the Court to hold the Trust in default. The Court observes that on March 25, 2005, the Magistrate Judge granted NBSC's motion to strike the Answer of Trustees finding that the Trust had failed to timely answer the Complaint and that Defendants Heineman and Johnson were not attorneys and had violated Rule 11 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure by trying to represent the Trust. Accordingly, the Court agrees with the Magistrate Judge's recommendation that the Trust is in default.
III.
Upon careful consideration of the record, and for the reasons observed by the Magistrate Judge, the recommendation is approved. The motion of NBSC to strike the defenses and dismiss the counterclaims of the Julians is hereby GRANTED. In addition, the Defendant Julian Family Trust is deemed to be in default. Pursuant to United Mine Workers v. Gibbs, 383 U.S. 715 (1966) and 28 U.S.C. § 1367(c)(3), the case is remanded to the Court of Common Pleas, the Eleventh Judicial Circuit, County of Lexington, State of the South Carolina.
IT IS SO ORDERED.
S/ Matthew J. Perry, Jr.
MATTHEW J. PERRY, JR.
SENIOR UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE Columbia, South Carolina August 2, 2005

So, it appears that the Julians have struck out. The case is being sent back down the line for foreclosure.
Where ~is~ my surprised face?
P

The order:
http://www.neodemesne.com/Dorean/julian_order.pdf

Seen it in Utah said...

I saw a post a little while ago that explained that the funds to pay the parties was based on an "Administrative Judgment with Apostille". Where is a copy of this judgment? What Administrative Law Judge issued the judgment?

lostatc said...

"The Court observes that there is no requirement that a loan must be made with legal tender before a court will deem it valid."

What about credit? Can a bank loan be made with bank credit?

"While dollar bills and coins have been declared by Congress as legal tender, see 31 U.S.C. § 5103, and so can be used to pay any debt, not all debts need be paid in legal tender if the parties agree."

So where is the agreement that the Julians agreed to borrow the bank's credit?


"Upon an examination of the record, it is quite apparent that the loan properly served the purpose of providing the Julians with the funds they needed to purchase the property located at 522 M Avenue, Cayce, South Carolina."

You mean the loan properly served the Julians with the "credit" they needed to purchase the property.

habakkuk said...

Can someone out there tell me who signs the bottom of that Notice and Minute form sent by Kurt's Dad? The bottom says: "Signed XXXXXX Grantor/Beneficiary" Does the home owner sign that? Or the new trustee? Or the beneficiary of the trust (like the heirs)? a little help please:)

Elmer Fudd said...

Effective IMMEDIATELY:

As a result of situations beyond our control, Capital Creation Resoures, LLC. will be dissolving itself as a company. This will affect AGENT/REFERRER Agreements ONLY. There are a couple of factors that contributed to this decision.

1. Per Kurt Johnson's blog, Dorean has ceased as a company, thus there aren't any standing agreements that can be enforced by any parties to a contract with CCR.

2. The Justice Dept. obtained a court order compelling our host conference call company to cancel our pin numbers, thus ending our agreement with our host, Seek Solutions.

3. As a result of the TRO, we do not want to be subject to any legal ramifications from someone using our name in any way tied to marketing this product, that is currently being marketed fraudulently by another operation.

These are just a few examples of why this decision has been made. This forum will continue to be updated with any RELEVANT information that can be passed along, until Scott and Kurt's sitaution comes to a conclusion.

Consequently, ALL Agent/Referrer websites that are hosted on the CCR server will effectively be shut down immediately and if your site is being hosted on another server you will be requested to have the site shut down as well. Again, there is no reason to keep CCR sites up and running, b/c Dorean as we know it is no more, thus CCR has no product to market.

We are in no way abondoning Scott and Kurt, as we have every intention to stand behind them, their process, and their mission, but CCR has to adjust our own objectives accordingly, to ensure our individual survival.

_________________
Regards,

Farrel J. LeCompte, Jr.

We'll people guess your all on your own...WoW couldn't of guess that in a million years. Hey Solvo what happened to *cough you Cough* i mean farrel?

newyorklife said...

Dudd, does it say anything about clients? I think not you no-reading-comprehending moron!

Andy Jack said...

I think all the sheeple that are bailing out of the program are because of big brother putting his pressure on the backs of them!! I remember my dad had on his desk picture of a boy with younger brother on his back, with the quotes "he isn't heavy he's my brother". That was important to him for he left he orphange at the age of 12 during the depression. I was taught that family and values are worth fighting for!! I do not know what the sheeple were taught?? I also know that this is not the end of the fight it is to important cave in this early in the game. A handful of brave men started this country most lost everything in that fight. Most of the founding fathers where men of wealth & postion. They gave up thier lives as they knew it so can not we do the same!! That why it was never said it would be easy. One the biggest reason they started the war of independance was about the right to make money that was worth something.

Elmer Fudd said...

newyorklife said...
Dudd, does it say anything about clients? I think not you no-reading-comprehending moron!

LMAO don't get mad Guy i like to bust ballz...sheesh what a temper.How's those vitamins coming along.

newyorklife said...

Dudd, if you had any credibility whatsoever, I'd be happy to destroy it, but since you have none on this board there's no need to prove you are wrong on both accounts.

Elmer Fudd said...

Ah go pitch some Insurance or *Cough Vitamins *Cough*...I give a S^&* what you think about me or anything for that matter. MR Guy Aka Solvo Aka ah i won't curse anymore your not worth it.

livinginxs said...

"but CCR has to adjust our own objectives accordingly, to ensure our individual survival."

What do you mean your individual survival? When a client tries to bail - they are quiters and scumb bags who can not see the greater good, but when it gets hot in your house - you have to shut down the company.

If you had any credibility you would issue refunds to all the clients - since you are jumping ship.

I am sure Kurt is happy with your decision. And your father must be proud - bring people this far and leave them.

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the Q said...

More evidence of the Mortgage Fraud

Mortgage company hired a local attorney - or so says the local attorney.

She refuses/returns my payments for April and May which were timely and says she is only accepting payment in full for the entire mortgage and if she doesn't get it she will beign foreclosure proceedings.

Get a summons without a seal from the court that says since I haven't paid since April 1st (remember she returned the payments for April and May)she asks that the court set up foreclosure and allow her client, the plaintiff to purchase the property in the special sale that will occur.

So now the vultures swarm over the property. "Do gooders "that will make arrangements for me to lease the property from them I am so blessed.

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newyorklife said...

The_q, things happen, get over it. Quit your whining and call the cops, and join the other turn-coat clients if you have a problem.

tcob247 said...

scams happen

Blame the clients

livinginxs said...

There are many who are still owed commissions - but like you said Guy & Farrel got theirs - guess they will be paying more back.

Got a call today to join a class action against CCR - anyone interested I will pass on the info.

I just want to talk to someone who went through this or ther program with success.

This might have failed, but I still believe in the proccess.

~~The Swami~~~ said...

Since it appears to be the trend to bash the character of Farrel.......I would like to break that trend.

A year ago I had an attorney harrassing me for old debt. Many of the attorney's accusations were false. Farrell gave me the name of an attorney who wasn't part of the "boys club". My attorney sued the attorney who seemed to ignore the law at will. The attorney we sued has agreed to a settlement which will pay me a nice figure for my pain and suffering. I guess the law means something after all. So I thank Farrel for doing the leg work and helping me get an assh*le attorney off my back. Thanks again Farrel!

newyorklife said...

Anyone interested in participating in a class action, make sure you pull out your contracts and read them carefully. You have no rights once you signed them and the moment you pre-applied, you agreed to a Hold-Harmless agreement, so good luck, because you will definitely need it.

tcob247 said...

you are right NewYork

They (dorean,CCR) covered their butts real well.

I signed it. I know I can get nothing

$4,500 gone and almost lost my house

Lesson learned

Time to move on

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newyorklife said...

tcob,

Everyone knows this is a high stakes game, and people will take all precautionary measures, AHEAD of time, wouldn't you agree?

As for the Class Action, if there is no signature from a CCR rep, this is not a binding contract. Kind of sounds like a mortgage contract, one sided signature.

down but not out said...

livinginxs,

If you still believe in the process,(Dorean or others)why would you want to enter into a class action lawsuit?

Elmer Fudd said...

newyorklife said...
The_q, things happen, get over it. Quit your whining and call the cops, and join the other turn-coat clients if you have a problem.

Now i'm back to cursing...NewYork life-farrel guy or whoever the fuck you are..You're a piece of shit low life scum..You're telling him to quit whining you fuck and then call other clients who got fucked by your dumb fucking process turncoats? I don't get it. Some of these people paid for services which they were promised and got nothing in return and you have the gaul to call them names..Be a fuckin man and say who you are farrel, guy or whoever the fuck you are and don't be a pussy. And you are one of them because you are well versed in everything that is happening with CCR and Dorean. Fucking loser..Your the fucking moron..You clients how can you still believe in a system when people that are involved are calling you turncoats for saving your family from being thrown on the streets..Cut Your losses and forget about this bullshit these scammers are throwing your way. If they really cared about your plight they wouldn't be talking to you in this matter.

complainers suck said...

fudd, look in the mirror. Tell us who you are, since you seem to be well versed with whom the players are?

Put up or shut up?

Elmer Fudd said...

complainers_suck said...
fudd, look in the mirror. Tell us who you are, since you seem to be well versed with whom the players are?

Put up or shut up?

Listen Dr Fred fucking big scam artist you are!! Ripping off your Son!! What kind of man are you? Your the one who sucks..People have all the right to complain you know why cause they got fucked by you and your cohorts so you put up douche bag or you shut the fuck up..

Elmer_Glue said...

fudd,

Take your medication, you seem to be on the verge of a hyper-tension.... Take a couple of deeeepth breaths and calm down.

On second, though, keep ranting an drop dead....

Elmer_Glue said...

Fudd,

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me!

Or

I'm rubber and you're glue,
whatever you say,
bounces off of me,
and sticks to you!

complainers suck said...

Dudd,

Why are you acting like you are some tough fire-breathing dragon, when deep down we know you are "Puff the Magic Dragon?

newyorklife said...

elmer, if you had any credibility, you might warrant a response. You are pathetic and have no clue on how to interpret writings.

newyorklife said...

Oh, and since there's a new "elmer" on the block, that last post was directed at you "fudd"

philospher said...

"Elmer Fudd",

I am a trained professional and from your posts, it seems you are currently possessing a lot of anger, if you harbor these feelings, it is quite disturbing.

People that exhibit this type of behavior, are a prime candidate for making unsubstantiated claims and/or accusations. This is an uncontrollable "tantrum", which is the nucleus for your vulgar language.

Please, I beg of you to either:
a) Get some much needed professional help on your own, or
b) Get in touch with me, so I can counsel you on this disease.

One way or the other, you need professional help.

Justice7777777 said...

phil: The best therapy for our pal elmer is justice.

How much money did you make off this scam?

Elmer Fudd said...

philospher said...
"Elmer Fudd",

I am a trained professional and from your posts, it seems you are currently possessing a lot of anger, if you harbor these feelings, it is quite disturbing.

People that exhibit this type of behavior, are a prime candidate for making unsubstantiated claims and/or accusations. This is an uncontrollable "tantrum", which is the nucleus for your vulgar language.

Please, I beg of you to either:
a) Get some much needed professional help on your own, or
b) Get in touch with me, so I can counsel you on this disease.

One way or the other, you need professional help.

Yes a trained scum scam artist. You all are funny keep using different names, doesn't matter. Dorean sucks CCR sucks Kurt,Scott are bye bye and you will be there soon. So Pucker up lads and enjoy the ride.

Clueless Fudd said...
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Clueless Fudd said...

I am the identical twin of "Elmer-Fudd", so please forgive his ignorance. We have both been beaten with hose pipe since birth by our lesbian moms and homosexual dads. Actually, we don't even know who our biological parents are because of this equation. This has caused great psychological damage to us, and we are both living in dreamland. So please don't take us serious, because neither of us completed the 5th grade. Thank you for your consideration in advance for putting up with my brothers disorder.

damac-49 said...

Kurt, I'm trying to refinance my home after the "mortgage was satisfied" but my credit report shows a real estate balance, it has to come off before refinancing can happen.
I've sent them everything to get it removed but they keep loosing the paper work, any ideas on how I can approach this problem?
Stay in there fighting I'm with you all the way.
You are my Trustee and will wait till you get out before making any changes.

ohhbrother said...

david is a troll.

Elmer Fudd said...

David said...
Kurt, I'm trying to refinance my home after the "mortgage was satisfied" but my credit report shows a real estate balance, it has to come off before refinancing can happen.
I've sent them everything to get it removed but they keep loosing the paper work, any ideas on how I can approach this problem?
Stay in there fighting I'm with you all the way.
You are my Trustee and will wait till you get out before making any changes.

Oh boy is it gonna hurt when you get hit with double mortgages...I'll be praying for you. Clueless has no clue expect how to rip people off..

Clueless Fudd said...

elmer, my brother, please stop your insanity. These people need to know the truth about you.

Elmer Fudd said...

LoL you can try to distort the truth by using Jesus and other tactics you bunch of crooks. But some of these people are wising up. So i suggest to you go straight and earn your money the right way before it's too late. Clueless solvo guy complainers or whoever you are we will meet some day, and when that day comes i will have the last laugh :P

Clueless Fudd said...

Ha! You are getting progressively worse, my brother.

Elmer Fudd said...

Some day :) maybe soon :)

complainers suck said...

If you would put up, instead of shut up, it could be sooner than you or anyone else expect.

Elmer Fudd said...

Hey i suck off complainers U go first Oktay...

livinginxs said...

Brothers & Sisters, lets not turn on each other. There is power in numbers. I never said I was joining a class action - it was just brought to my attention. Howevere, if they being CCR have any integority, they will see to it that either the client and agent get what they were promised or return their money.

By saying there is no signature on their part therfore good luck - that is worse than what the banks did to us. You exposed the fraud to us, then screwd us without a thankyou.

We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. Cowboy the F up and get back in there and finnish what we started. That goes for Kurt, Scott and esp. CCR
who sold this proccess as proven.

Clueless Fudd said...

elmer, now you are talking consistent with our education. It's about time you acknowledge our hillbilly roots.

tcob247 said...

CCR sold the process as proven so they could get your money.
Then they ran when trouble came.
I remember in Vegas when Farrell stuck out his chest and said "I aint afraid of anybody. Bring it on. I'm not going anywhere."
LOL

newyorklife said...

...and he's still there. So, what's your point?

Nevermind, you are just one of the un-intelligent who could not comprehend what the message was.

newyorklife said...

...We know how stupid you are from you inquiry into who "author" was. That was a classic!

livinginxs said...

Then why did CCR close up shop? If your all still there, stand up and be counted.

Make a difference, let us know your still working on our behalf.

Tell us how to complete what we started. Tell me how to get my free & clear title, with cash in my pocket. I paid my fee, I have waited over 9 months - I have done my part - now do what you promised.

Dont condem those who support you, because their faith in you has been questioned. Stand up, shake it off and do what you said you were going to do.

Open the CCR connection back, get back to a weekly call - there are several conf. call centers. Get all the clients a copy of that DVD, they would cost you less than $2 with postage & put up the web site Kurt keeps talking about.

If your not going to see us through like you promised - then provide us with what we need to obtain victory.

CCR - you have let us down & very onesided esp. when Kurt says you have made 2X what he did.

DO THE RIGHT THING

newyorklife said...

livinginxs, you seem to be asking for quite a lot, considering there is a Restraing Order against fle and CCR. Would you want to be arrested, and sit in jail?

Homeward Bound at $4500 for a first and $3700 for a second. Success Training $5000 for a first and $4000 for a second. Those are the people who reaped in the big bucks Kurt mentioned.

I was a client of Homeward, and left them due to their BS. I called fle and Guy after that, I requested to be put under the CCR and Scott honored my request, and I will continue to stick by them. I still communicate with Guy and fle regularly, and they are still easily accessible.

If you still believe, just hang in there....

Elmer Fudd said...

newyorklife said...
livinginxs, you seem to be asking for quite a lot, considering there is a Restraing Order against fle and CCR. Would you want to be arrested, and sit in jail?

Homeward Bound at $4500 for a first and $3700 for a second. Success Training $5000 for a first and $4000 for a second. Those are the people who reaped in the big bucks Kurt mentioned.

I was a client of Homeward, and left them due to their BS. I called fle and Guy after that, I requested to be put under the CCR and Scott honored my request, and I will continue to stick by them. I still communicate with Guy and fle regularly, and they are still easily accessible.

If you still believe, just hang in there....

He's not only a Scammer but he was a client..What a Dope.

livinginxs said...

newyorklife said...
livinginxs, you seem to be asking for quite a lot, considering there is a Restraing Order against fle and CCR. Would you want to be arrested, and sit in jail?


...No of course not, but I would do whatever needed to be done to make sure my clients had the tools to complete the task on their own. Is there anything in the TRO that sats they cant send out an infomational dvd? Is there anything that says they cant put up the disclaimer web site? Is there anything that says they can not have conf. calls to give updated info? Is there anything that says they can not return emails? And I am sure the court would have no problem with returning our money to the people who requested it. Just because there is a TRO, doesn't mean you shut down shop - you find a way to work around it. Isn't that what Kurt is trying to do?

Look what he is trying to accomplish from behind bars - then compare that to what Guy & Fle are doing. At least Kurt has the balls to come on and post updates -right or wrong and even sometimes crazy, he is doing something.

My point is they (CCR) recieved payment - do what they said they could do or make it right.

They have not even said "sorry we were wrong. We cant deliver. We spent all the money on the fight, so we cant refund. BUT here is an infomational dvd and a few bottles of vitimins and if your ever in the Houston area a ride thru Fle's posh community in his new Benz. We tried, but we just didn't get it done. Please forgive us. We thought we could do it, but our greed got the best of us and instead of stopping at 250 failed test cases - we thought if we shoved another 3,000 with them we might slip them through the proccess. We were wrong. I know the contract you signed now looks a little one sided, but hey it is nothing compared to the one you signed with your bank. And all things considered it was less than the price of a nice family vacation and you didnt even have to leave home...well, some of you did, but the point is you'll never forget this lesson. Thanks again for putting your trust in us. God Bless"

tcob247 said...

My point Newyork was that Farrell is not as big and bad as he always claimed he was.

He backed down when the Feds told him to.
He doesn't have the complete confidence in the program like Kurt who was willing to go to jail for it.

Don't give me any malarky like he has a family to consider.

So did Scott H.
According to Kurt he is losing his family over this matter.

Farrell..Guy.... You are either ALL IN or you FOLD.

We see what you did

He (Farrell) has his tail between his legs and it looks like from other posts on here that he is withholding commissions from some people.

What a man

newyorklife said...

tcob, you could not be any more wrong than what you are claiming. I've been on a call with fle, Guy and a couple of others, and everyone has told fle to keep safe, and I assure you that there are things still working, but it will not be published.

if fle was so bothered with what the minority of people on here think, we all know that he'd be on here ranting and cussing like a mad man, but there is a bigger picture and he is helping paint it.

keep a couple of things in mind: 1. In order for you to be guilty, you have to knowingly commit a crime, and fle and the rest of us still believe we are not committing a crime.
2. CCR was not the only broker group, but yet are the only ones still around. If that doesn't say something for committment, you need to re-evaluate your thinking. The other 2000+ people have no one to turn to, but yet CCR clients still get answers to eamails or phone calls. Most here, and you are one, are no longer a client, so you are begging for info on here, because you cannot get it through the proper channel.

the Q said...

hello

Elmer Fudd said...

newyorklife said...
tcob, you could not be any more wrong than what you are claiming. I've been on a call with fle, Guy and a couple of others, and everyone has told fle to keep safe, and I assure you that there are things still working, but it will not be published.

if fle was so bothered with what the minority of people on here think, we all know that he'd be on here ranting and cussing like a mad man, but there is a bigger picture and he is helping paint it.

keep a couple of things in mind: 1. In order for you to be guilty, you have to knowingly commit a crime, and fle and the rest of us still believe we are not committing a crime.
2. CCR was not the only broker group, but yet are the only ones still around. If that doesn't say something for committment, you need to re-evaluate your thinking. The other 2000+ people have no one to turn to, but yet CCR clients still get answers to eamails or phone calls. Most here, and you are one, are no longer a client, so you are begging for info on here, because you cannot get it through the proper channel.

NewyorkCon for someone that refers himself as being a client you and farrel are very close. Do you camp out underneath his desk to find out all of this information? Or are you involved in more of way that you don't want the federales to think.

Clueless Fudd said...

elmer,

please, i beg of you to return to our hillbilly roots.

Elmer Fudd said...

We are not going anywhere, and we will see this thing through the finish. We need t distance ourselves from any and all MARKETING, due to the Restraining Order. We don't want to be accused of ANY type of violation of the TRO especially with a group currently marketing this product, which surely would have gotten CCR with knocks at the door, and if people cannot understand why, think long and hard about it, and if you have any intelligence in your brain, the picture will be perfectly clear. Farrel the only reason why is because the monies are not going into your deep pockets.

Clueless Fudd said...

elmer,

I'm playing the hillbilly theme on the banjo right now, and you and I are part of the idiots that client referred to on that message.

Elmer Fudd said...
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Elmer Fudd said...

We'll i'd have to agree with you on two things. Yes you are an idiot and you prob do play the banjo so keep up the good work Mr Douchebag.

dgwondering said...

Well, so much for the legal posturing:

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=53906

The Utah case is the least of their worries.

Elmer Fudd said...

dgwondering said...
Well, so much for the legal posturing:

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=53906

The Utah case is the least of their worries.

LMAO And Guess who's next CCR. Hey Farrel better get real tough buddy your gonna go bye bye with yur buddy's and be someone's bitch real soon. Hey Guy you know as we'll as i do Cons love Cops in the pokie. :P Isn't that such great news!! Here's looking at you kid.

Seen it in Utah said...

newyork life:

You mentioned that it is necesary for the party to intend to commit a crime to be guilty of a crime. It is not that simple. Many crimes are still crimes, regardless of intent. If you get a speeding ticket, regardless of your intention, you can be convicted. If you are laundering money, even unwittingly for others, you can still be sent to prison. If you peddle programs that are fraudulent, even if you don't think that the programs are fraudulent, you can still be convicted. Further, if you are on notice in some form or another that an activity that you are involved in is possibly criminal and you intentionally try to ignore that possibility, then a defense of ignorance is no defense.

Elmer Fudd said...

http://www.rei-resource.com/dorean/indictment.pdf

Starfish Prime said...

9/22/2005 6:51:00 PM

To: National Desk

Contact: U.S. Department of Justice, 415-436-7200

OAKLAND, Calif., Sept. 22 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The United States Attorney's Office for the Northern District of California and the FBI announced that a federal grand jury in Oakland indicted Dale Scott Heineman, 45, Kurt F. Johnson, 42, and the Dorean Group in a 46-count indictment charging mail fraud, bank fraud, and conspiracy to commit wire fraud, mail fraud and bank fraud.

The principals of the Dorean Group are Dale Scott Heineman of Union City, California, and Kurt F. Johnson, of Sunnyvale, California. They, along with the Dorean Group and entities associated with the Dorean Group, are charged with operating a debt elimination scheme whereby fraudulent documents are recorded as part of the title of their clients' properties, causing home mortgage and equity loans to falsely appear satisfied when they actually had not been paid. With this fraudulently-generated free and clear title, certain clients, at the direction of the Dorean Group, obtained hundreds of thousands of dollars in home equity loans from independent lenders.

The charges in the indictment relate to 17 properties in California, Nevada, Texas, North Carolina, Florida, Colorado, Washington, Idaho, and South Carolina with a value of over $5 million. The FBI is continuing to investigate more than 480 properties throughout 35 states with a potential value of $88 million in loans that may have been affected by this alleged scheme. The FBI is investigating properties in 19 California counties affected by this alleged scheme.

U.S. Attorney Kevin V. Ryan stated, "Homeowners should be cautious of offers that sound too good to be true. This alleged scheme violates mortgage agreements between the lender and borrower and taints property titles by recording false documents on the title of a home. Manipulating property titles and interfering with mortgage loans with the intent to defraud is illegal and will result in prosecution."

Joseph Ford, Special Agent in Charge of the FBI in San Francisco, stated, "Mr. Heineman and Mr. Johnson are accused of being con artists in a sophisticated telemarketing scheme. They are alleged to have incorporated the internet to further their criminal enterprise which is nationwide in scope and has significant impact on the housing market in the U.S. Because cyber space has no borders, the FBI is working with its law enforcement partners from around the world to address these growing crime problems."

According to the indictment, the Dorean Group is an unlicensed and unincorporated entity that has been operating a purported debt elimination program since at least January 2004. The Dorean Group uses brokers to promote its program. On various websites, the Dorean Group and its brokers publically advertise that they have a "PROVEN, legal and moral way of eliminating your mortgage while adding $32K to your pocket (based on a $200,000 mortgage)."

According to the indictment, the Dorean Group's scheme to defraud operated as follows:

(1) Fee: The client pays an up-front fee of approximately $1,000 to $3,000 per loan to be eliminated and promises to make a "free-will offering of 50 percent of the REDEEMED mortgage." The redeemed mortgage refers to a subsequent equity loan (inaccurately dubbed a refinance loan in websites promoting this scheme) that is obtained from a separate lender based upon the false premise that the initial mortgage loan secured by the property had been fully satisfied.

(2) Transfer of Title: Once the initial fee is paid, the Dorean Group forms a trust with its client, the trustees of which are Heineman and Johnson. The client records a quitclaim deed with the local county recorder's office, which allegedly transfers the borrower's title interests to this trust. However, mortgage agreements between a borrower and a lender generally require the lender's consent before the borrower may transfer his/her title interests. According to the indictment, no lender has granted Heineman, Johnson, or the Dorean Group permission to act on behalf of the borrower under the applicable mortgage agreements.

(3) Self-Executing Presentment Packet: The Dorean Group subsequently mails a "selfexecuting presentment packet" to the lender of its client's loan. In this packet, the Dorean Group claims to act on behalf of the borrower and demands the lender prove the validity of its loan "to the unilateral satisfaction of the Dorean Group" within 10 days. If the lender fails to take this opportunity, documents in the packet allege that, due to the lender's "tacit assent" and "default," Heineman and/or Johnson of the Dorean Group will act as the lender's agent and attorney-in- fact as to the loan and the secured property. In addition, if the lender elects to prove the validity of the loan, but fails to meet this burden, the lender is purportedly liable to the Dorean Group for damages twenty times the amount of the loan.

(4) Substitution of Trustee: After 10 days has elapsed, Heineman, Johnson and the Dorean Group prepare a "Substitution of Trustee," or, depending on jurisdiction, a "Specific Power of Attorney" or "Power of Attorney," that is recorded as part of the title to its client's property. This recordation claims that Heineman and/or Johnson is acting as agent and attorney-in-fact on behalf of the lender. According to the indictment, no lender has authorized Heineman, Johnson or the Dorean Group to act either as its agent or attorney-in-fact.

(5) Full Reconveyance: Under this false representation, Heineman, Johnson and the Dorean Group prepare a "Full Reconveyance" or, depending on jurisdiction, "Discharge of Mortgage" or "Satisfaction of Mortgage," that is recorded as part of the title to its client's property. In this document, Heineman and/or Johnson of the Dorean Group - allegedly acting on behalf of the lender - represents that the loan secured by the property has been fully paid, when the loan had not, in fact, been repaid. In this recordation, Heineman and/or Johnson purportedly transfers the lender's secured interests in the client's property to the client's trust established by the Dorean Group, causing title of the property to falsely appear free and clear of any encumbrances.

(6) Subsequent Home Equity Loan: With what appears to be free and clear title, the Dorean Group directs its clients to obtain a subsequent "refinance" or home equity loan from a separate lender, with the property serving as the security underlying this loan. When the loan disbursement loan is made, the Dorean Group receives 50 percent of its proceeds, the Dorean Group broker receives approximately 10-25 percent of the funds, and the Dorean Group client keeps the remaining 25-40 percent of the loan. The refinance loan is expected to be subject to the Dorean Group's debt elimination program and is not repaid.

Mr. Heineman and Mr. Johnson were previously arrested on state charges filed in Salt Lake City, Utah. They are currently being held in custody in Salt Lake County Metro Jail in Salt Lake City, Utah. No bail arrest warrants were issued as to both Mr. Heineman and Mr. Johnson as a result of this indictment and will be lodged with the Salt Lake County Metro Jail. An initial appearance on this indictment is not yet scheduled, as the Third District Court of the State of Utah, which has primary custody over Mr. Heineman and Mr. Johnson as a result of the pending state charges, must first determine when they can be made available for that purpose.

On July 6, 2005, the Civil Division of the United States Attorney's Office filed a complaint for injunctive relief pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 1345, and a motion for a temporary restraining order directing that Messrs. Heineman and Johnson, doing business as the Dorean Group, stop marketing and operating their mortgage elimination scheme. On July 6, 2005, Judge William H. Alsup granted the government's motion for a temporary restraining order.

On August 1, 2005, Judge Alsup converted the temporary restraining order to a preliminary injunction, restraining the Dorean Group from engaging in any activities related to its mortgage elimination scheme, pending final judgment in the civil action.

The maximum statutory penalty for each count of mail fraud in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1341 and affecting a financial institution is 30 years imprisonment and a fine of $1,000,000, plus restitution. The maximum statutory penalty for each count of bank fraud in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1344 is 30 years imprisonment and a fine of $1,000,000, plus restitution. The maximum statutory penalty for each count of conspiracy to commit mail fraud, wire fraud and bank fraud in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1349 is 30 years imprisonment and a fine of $1,000,000, plus restitution. However, any sentence following conviction would be imposed by the court after consideration of the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and the federal statute governing the imposition of a sentence, 18 U.S.C. 3553.

An indictment contains only allegations against an individual and, as with all defendants, Mr. Heineman, Mr. Johnson and the Dorean Group must be presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty.

James Keller is the Assistant U.S. Attorney who is prosecuting the case and Steven Saltiel is the Assistant U.S. Attorney who handled the government's application for a temporary restraining order and preliminary injunctive relief against the Dorean Group. The prosecution is the result of a nine-month investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Several state law enforcement entities, including the Alameda County District Attorney's Office and the California Attorney General's Office, among others, provided valuable assistance and information about this alleged scheme to the United States Attorney's Office.

Further Information:

A copy of this press release and related court filings may be found on the U.S. Attorney's Office's website at http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/can.

Electronic court filings and further procedural and docket information are available at https://ecf.cand.uscourts.gov/ (click on the link for "to retrieve documents from the court").

Judges' calendars with schedules for upcoming court hearings can be viewed on the court's website at http://www.cand.uscourts.gov.

All press inquiries to the U.S. Attorney's Office should be directed to Luke Macaulay at (415) 436-6757 or by email at Luke.Macaulay@usdoj.gov.

http://www.usnewswire.com/

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/© 2005 U.S. Newswire 202-347-2770/

complainers suck said...

Let the fun begin.

newyorklife said...

utah,

People are aware in advance that going 45 when a sign is posted at 40 is speeding. If this is the best example you have, god help anyone who trusts you in law. At least you are smart enough to say "can be convicted"!

newyorklife said...

That's pretty weak in my opinion. Personally, Kurt will eat this up, especially once the memorandum of law an attorney finished solidifies the Dorean position. You are certainly right, Complainers, "let the fun begin"

Seen it in Utah said...

New York:

There is no way that anyone involved in peddling this crap can say that they are unaware that the schemes are fraudulent and illegal. Sorry, the speed limit signs have been glaring at every party involved in the scam for many, many months. It is like arguing that you don't think the system to create the speed limit is illegal and therefore the laws shouldn't apply. Won't wash. Anyone trying to sell others on these scams at this point are absolutely on notice that the schemes are illegal and are scams.

Elmer Fudd said...

newyorklife said...
That's pretty weak in my opinion. Personally, Kurt will eat this up, especially once the memorandum of law an attorney finished solidifies the Dorean position. You are certainly right, Complainers, "let the fun begin"

LoL New York you are a trip. Alwayls looking to blow smoke up people's ass. Kurt will eat this up? Only thing Kurt is eating is the crap their serving him in prison..But hey look at the bright side there buddy boy, you will soon be there with him to dine together. "Such Wonderful News" Can you please pass the grey poupon..

Ace said...

starfish prime, That was some post. I tried to figure the time and the dollars but my calculator wont go that high. I hope they win but if they dont I think it will be after the second coming of Christ before this ripoff is stopped. I think I'm going to write my four grand off as a lesson learned and move on. good bye and good luck to all. Ace.

Elmer Fudd said...

Ace said...
starfish prime, That was some post. I tried to figure the time and the dollars but my calculator wont go that high. I hope they win but if they dont I think it will be after the second coming of Christ before this ripoff is stopped. I think I'm going to write my four grand off as a lesson learned and move on. good bye and good luck to all. Ace.

10:38 PM

You see ace there is so much bull that one person can listen too. If you can't backup your bull "Which they cannot time and time over" Then basically the gig is over. Unforunately alot of good hard working people got caught up in this and it's gonna or is now hurting them. No Matter what it says on that contract i would if i was a client take them to court and Sue the whole lot of em.

son of a prophet said...

...nobody ever went broke buying...

OIL FUTURES.

Cant continue like this. The balloon has got to pop. At the end of the winter, we'll all be broke from heating bills.

Say what you want, but at least in jail you eat and its heated rooms. A lot more than most are going to be able to say shortly.

The govt. is going to break everybody, slowly for sure; but surely bit by bit, piece by piece.

Someone should start a Dorean Grp
for heating bills??

What would happen if by default everyone stopped paying their mortages? Dont wonder too long as this is soon going to happen by 'default' as the housing bubble pops. Why would any fool continue to pay for a motgage when his huose just lost 1/2 its value??

livinginxs said...

son of a prophet - nice to have you back, I think we are over do from a message from the Prophet Kurt.

livinginxs said...

It is amazing what is going on - I hope he hires a good lawyer to fight this - I think it is bigger and badder than what he thought.

Elmer Fudd said...

son of a prophet said...
...nobody ever went broke buying...

OIL FUTURES.

Cant continue like this. The balloon has got to pop. At the end of the winter, we'll all be broke from heating bills.

Say what you want, but at least in jail you eat and its heated rooms. A lot more than most are going to be able to say shortly.

The govt. is going to break everybody, slowly for sure; but surely bit by bit, piece by piece.

Someone should start a Dorean Grp
for heating bills??

What would happen if by default everyone stopped paying their mortages? Dont wonder too long as this is soon going to happen by 'default' as the housing bubble pops. Why would any fool continue to pay for a mortgage when his huose just lost 1/2 its value??

Kurt was it really worth the money to be put in jail? If it is a true cause and you really believe that it works, why charge people 50% of their second refi when there in a tight spot? Explain this to a naysayer Just you, not your knuckle head cronies.

son of a prophet said...

Some thoughts......

No fool takes on the NWO w/o some heavyweight bakcing them up. Like two heavyweith fighters, the outcome is not certain. Only thing tht is certain is that both will sustain damage. Applying this principle here, means win lose or draw some change good/bad? will occur.

The DG group could not have taken on this monumental task not knowing that some who would come to help work for them may be in fact infiltrators trying to help take down the process. Easiest way to win a battle is from the inside. Having said this, there are ways to isolate and flush out the infiltrators. I will not go into that here even tho I am not in any way affilitated with the DG. Only knowledge I have is what the HS gives me on how the world works.

I am a chessplayer. CLUE: Ever watch or study games from a World Championship match? Even bonafide GMs (Grandmasters) dont have a clue as to what is going on. Same deal here. I dont thing anyone knows (nor should they know) the intricate chess moves going on here. There are moves to set up moves. It takes a very high level of understanding to see this. JWhen beginner chessplayers play, they fight over and try to win pieces ( pawns, knights, rooks, queen etc.) When GMs play, they fight over squares, as trying to win pieces from one another is impossible and they know it so they dont even bother. (unless a mistake is made of course.)

I would venture to say that at the very highest level of the NWO, they actually relish the challenge of the game, move vs. countermove. Just my humble opinion. Chess anyone? B-Q7...RxR mate

Peace of Yeshua to you.

Elmer Fudd said...

More smoke here we go...

down but not out said...

son of a prophet,
I noticed you calling the name of Messiah- Yeshua. Are you Torah submissive?

livinginxs said...

It is being played as a game, but to some of the players - they were led to believe that the game was already won.

This was not the case - and unfair to those involved. I know understand - but should have been told upfront and had the choice.

son of a prophet said...

dbno-

I am a Christian. Messiah's true name is Yeshua HaMashiach. Jesus is a name given to him by Romans/Latin name.

No. I do not observe the Torah. (I am not Jewish, however, I agree that the Sabbath day is Saturday. Christians do not have a Sabbath day. Every day is a Sabbath day for them as their daily Sabbath offering is belief on Yeshua as their Messiah.) Nor do I attend any church, as they are all corrupted and run by satan. I cannot not be taught by any earthly man in a pulpit or anywhere else as I already have the greatest teacher that anyone could have-the Holy Spirit who will teach any Christians willing to learn, but 99.99% of Christians think they are 'learning' in a church. ("A form of Godliness, though they deny its power." This has been chopped off in the bible. The power the bible is referring to is the power of the Holy Spirit.) Christians are already in a church; they are in the 'eternal invisible church' which only Yeshua Himself knows who is in it- the church at Philadelphia from the book of Revelation; the church of all true believers.

AS the book of Revelation is now open, ( I believe that the Pres. is the Rider on white horse going forth conquering and to conquer, given a bow and a crown was given to him.

TRANSLATION:

White horse-purity, righteousness

conquering-obviously countries of the world

a bow- very powerful irresistable armaments (cruise missiles etc.)

crown- tacit approval of the worlds govts. (tho they may appear aginst the Pres., in fact they are for him, but must make it look this way to keep their people pacified lest they turn on them; their govt.)

Peace of Yeshua to you.

down but not out said...

son of a prophet,

So the Christians have replaced the Jews as the chosen people?

And since you do not observe the Torah (because it is for the Jews) then the Ten Commandments can not be relavent to your beliefs, is this correct?

nofollowers said...

Would you fucking annoying religious people shut up already.Nobody cares about what the hell Jesus's real name was or who said what in the Bible. This is about The Dorean Group and how people can get their homes back and fix all the fucking problems Kurt and Scott caused. I for one am trying to sell my house and the title is screwed up because of the irrevocable trust that was sold to us as a revocable trust that would be easy to sell when we wanted to. Even though Kurt and Scott quit claimed my property back to me, now the title company wants me to show them that they had the authority to do that. Has anyone been able to sell their house after being in the process? These are the questions that need to be answered, not all this religious Jesus crap.

getmeoffthisride said...

If you quit claimed your property back to yourself and there is no more trust, then what is the title company questioning? Something from the past? If the property is legally in your name, there should be no problems. It's your property, you can sell it without their permission.

BetUdidn'tno said...

That's not true.

The title company insures the new buyer that they have a clear title, they can not do that if they are not sure that you have a clear title even if it is in your name. If they do they will have to pay any claims that may occur, they do not know the substance of your trust nor the agreement that you had with Dorean Group.

son of a prophet said...

dbno-

where have I made/implied the statements that you attribute to me???

-Christians replacing Jews

-not keeping Commandments, etc.

are you a Christian?

gotlight said...

I'm at the tale end of the foreclosure process on Oct 8th I must be out of the house. The attorney's had the paperwork that K & S filed reversed from the county records. Sold the house at a public sale, and are trying to close escrow as we speak (by the october 8th deadline). Will it close? Does anyone have any insights on this?

getmeoffthisride said...

Then there still must be something in the trust that's preventing a free and clear title to the owner. It's still connected to the quit claim somehow. Yes, it's true that the title company is there to make sure the title is free and clear of any encumberances. In this case, I would seek the advice of a real estate attorney or trust attorney to see what can be done.

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