Tuesday, December 13, 2005

What is Truth?

There appears to be varied opinion but I’m wondering if truth is an absolute like in math or the many colored spectrum of the rainbow of perception. Is there a truth to the actual mechanics of the mortgage contract? Does double entry offsetting liabilities reflect honesty or dishonesty? Does it truly reflect a promissory note as an asset because it is, or is it just a balance technique to create zero tax liability? Was the Uniform Commercial Code written as error when it laid down how title rights pass? Did banking not understand credit vs. cash deception? Are our opinions really that diverse or are the facts misunderstood? Retractor or supporter alike, don’t we really want the truth? When I went to prison for securities fraud I worked in a company that issued promissory notes. Deductive reasoning would conclude that a promissory note to be a security must be a financial asset. There being no such thing as liability fraud, the crimes were the misstatements of fact and the omission of facts. If I’m not being told my financial asset is being deposited and used to fund the transaction, is that a misstatement or an omission, or just an accounting formality? Can you understand why I am sensing some form of hypocrisy in the financial asset arena? Let’s just say accounting means nothing. Why all the new rules and penalties over Enron, WorldCom, and Arthur Anderson? The UCC is not the law. This is a half truth, its adoption into International Treaties and adoption by all 50 states is the law. If you have truth that will shed some absolute light upon this subject, all want to hear it. I for one happen to believe behind every smokescreen of a lie is a solid piece of honest, absolute truth. If you have that, you are an asset, if you’re just blowing smoke you will be discovered by the winds of a diligent seeker.

53 comments:

son of a prophet said...

WHAT IS TRUTH??


(doesnt get any easier than this :-) )


"I am the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE."

YESHUA HAMASHIACH

habakkuk said...

Amen to that:)

geva--f85454 said...

What is Truth?

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Clueless Fudd said...

Who would have thunk it, that the worst spammer on the blog is pushing fucking knives down our throat of all things? Bring on the porn!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Elmer Fudd said...

Clueless Fudd said...
Who would have thunk it, that the worst spammer on the blog is pushing fucking knives down our throat of all things? Bring on the porn!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LoL Dads got you into that gay porn thing eh Clue? You know there is still time for you to follow the straight and narrow path..Opps sorry no pun intended.

Judge Roy Bean said...

Hmmm..."Retractor or supporter alike, don’t we really want the truth?

"Retractor?" Well, let's assume the person allegedly writing as Kurt meant "detractor" and go from there.

Detractors and supporters alike have access to the truth, but it doesn't come from scam promoters who lay claim to some secret knowledge about the way the lending systems work and how to supposedly thwart them for your benefit.

The fact is, if you want to play the game and get yourself into a home with one of the myriad of loan offers, you can. But you're letting someone (the lender) pay off the current owner and thus obligating yourself to the terms of the legal documents you sign.

You borrow from a lender and get a house from someone who then goes out and takes that money and probably gets (or builds) another house. Now you owe on the new note because you are living in a house and they probably used the proceeds to get yet another loan on their new house.

It's just not a whole bunch more complex than that, but scammers like the Johnson's and their promoters will keep trotting out legally-bogus claims to get people to try and fight a supposedly mysterious system with lunatic arguments that have been well-tested in court.

Folks, when you sit down to play blackjack in Las Vegas, don't think you'll walk out with more than you came in with by trying to tell the dealer how the game is played - especially if you've paid some some alleged guru who never really won a hand at the table.

The Honorable Judge Roy Bean
http://www.loansharks.blogspot.com

son of a prophet said...

...for all you seekers of the "truth"...

...other than Yeshua HaMashiach, there is NO truth!

what one must ask themselves is this...would you rather face defeat honestly, or win by decepton??

AS one cannot defeat the banking system honestly, as by deception the banking system was created...AND by deception shall it be taken down.

CHOOSE your poison, as neither side can claim to be self righteous, in terms of Godliness.

This is not to be critical of the process, just a fact. If the opponents of the banking system play completely honestly, they have NO chance at all, as the banking system is corrupt as the day is long.

neodemes said...

Keep your money in a mattress and stop signing promissary notes.

Duh.

nofollowers said...

ALL OF YOU ARE SO PATHETIC WITH YOUR RELIGIOUS BULLSHIT. EACH ONE OF YOU IS A FOLLOWER THAT CAN'T THINK FOR THEMSELVES AND YOU TRY AND TELL EVERYBODY THAT THEY ARE WRONG ABOUT WHAT THEY BELIEVE AS TRUTH. ALL OF YOU ARE FREE TO BELIEVE WHATEVER YOU THINK IS TRUTH, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU TRY AND TELL EVERYBODY ELSE WHAT IS RIGHT AND WRONG. TRULY PATHETIC

ricco7777 said...

Kurt,
Keep on track! Don't let the minority gripers depress you. There's a lot of your folks who read the blog, don't comment, but pray you will accomplish your goals. You've got our silent support!
In His army,
Rich J
PS If I was your dad I'd be proud of you too!

railman65 said...

judge Roy Bean sounds like a plant from the Banks.

railman65 said...

judge Roy Bean sounds like a plant from the Banks.

hockeydonn said...

nofollowers said:

THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU TRY AND TELL EVERYBODY ELSE WHAT IS RIGHT AND WRONG.

So, what are you doing?
Are you telling this blog that we are wrong for sharing our views? Interesting don't you think?

The fact is there is a right and a wrong. If you think what is being said is false than disregard it. But, if you find that there is truth in what you have heard and just don't like the fact that you were wrong that's a different story isn't it. It might not be a good idea to type away without thinking first. You would agree with that wouldn't you. If you don't like being told what to do, get over it, that's life.

Clueless Fudd said...

railman65 said...
judge Roy Bean sounds like a plant from the Banks.

Actually, JRB is the General and NeMo is the "bald eagle" Colonel of F Troop

Dr. J said...

HI Kurt,
I refinanced and sent half to your trust. I have been paying on 4 mortgages for over 9 months. Is there any way to get that half back so I can stop paying over 7K per month on 4 mortgages. I tried all the remedies while TDG was still alive. Never received any help or any calls back from anyone. Now I am stuck with this huge overhead.

Any help you or anyone can give me would be of great value.

Dr. J

tcob247 said...

Dr J

Would you mind being a testimonial to how wonderful the Dorean process is?

Please post on the website:

www.yourhouseiskurtsnow.com

or

www.eliminatemortgagebutkeepmakingpayments.com

Any more testimonies out there?

mogel said...

There's alot of good Court cases below on "subject matter jurisdiction". This doctrine voids out the bad behaviour and judgments of the banks & all the harm they have caused to clients & Dorean alike, since if you don't have subject matter jurisdiction, you acted improperly & illegally. Likewise if the actions of the evil doers are voided & wrong because they never had subject matter jurisdiction, there are consequences & damages that follow their bad behaviour. Check out the link. Herein lies the knowlege to set yourself up for many defenses & establish your remedies:

http://www.clr.org/smj.html

Gforce said...

JRB-----"...you borrow from a lender..."---That phrase has been part of the fraud that you seek to protect. Righteousness is coming to this economy and those who have perpetuated fraud WILL be held accountable. As far as listening to someone who "has really never won a hand at the table before", I knew who I was and what I stood for before DG. You can not win unless you play, and "we" WILL win, in Jesus name!!

tcob247 said...

g-string

""we" WILL win, in Jesus name!! "

Really now.
And what happens if you don't win?
Does that mean that Jesus failed?

Kinda treading in dangerous territory there arent you?

Please don't bring the savior into the mortgage elimination business.

Elmer Fudd said...

ricco7777 said...
Kurt,
Keep on track! Don't let the minority gripers depress you. There's a lot of your folks who read the blog, don't comment, but pray you will accomplish your goals. You've got our silent support!
In His army,
Rich J
PS If I was your dad I'd be proud of you too!

Hey Ricco where you been? His Own Dad is screwing him by going with that other scam company Li-Bo. ll his dad gives a rats ass about is making his pockets fatter...Wake up smell the coffee.

tcob247 said...

rico777777777.....

"minority gripers"


LOLOLOL

Is that what you call people who have lost their homes to this guy?


How is it up there in LALA land?

Gforce said...

TCOB-----"....what happens if I don't win?"------I had not considered that thought. "I can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me." I do not play four quarters, I play till I WIN.---If Jesus Christ was in charge of the economy, this blog and the efforts it represents would NOT be necessary. As HIS ambassador and representative, He has given me and every other TRUE believer authority over this earth and everything that goes on here. I accept the responsibility , and in Jesus name may the one true GOD remove from power and influence those that would work against HIS will on this earth. I speak righteousness and prosperity into the economy of the USA!!!

tcob247 said...

OMG

Have you actually read the Bible?

Blessed are the poor.
Jesus didnt have a house let alone a mortgage.
Did Jesus speak prosperity into the economy of his time?
His will is that we accept him as God of our own free will....not that we become rich

You really know how to twist scripture dont you

Peanut Gallery said...

tcob,
Have You actually read the Bible?
I bet you celebrate all the paganized "Christian" holidays such as Easter and Christmas. I bet you also break the sabbath by going out for a nice ham dinner after church. I know, I know the 'Law" was for the Jews only right. Jesus did away with the "Law" right? Unfortunately 200 years of false church doctrine, and anti-semitism have led you to believe that the law was to be kept as a means of salvation for the jews. But God saw that it was too difficult to keep so he sent Yeshua to do away with it all. You see there was the mean Old Testament God who saddled his chosen people with rules they could by no means keep, how nice. Then there is the nice New Testament God who decided to do away with it all. So I thought God does not change. Apparently he does.
The word translated to law is actually Torah, the first five books of the Scriptures. The word Torah is rooted in a Hebrew word that means to "hit the mark", it is an archery term.
I challenge you to study the appointed feast and festivals, that God gave to the children of Israel as a lasting covenant throughout ALL generations.
These festivals paint a perfect profetic picture of Yeshua (Jesus).

Passover-Yeshuais our passover lamb.
Shavuot-Pentecost. Shavuot means fifty. Fifty Days after the resurection was Pentecost.
Shavuot is when God gave the Torah on Mount Sinai. Pentecost is when the Holy Spirit decended on those gathered in the room(he is our living Torah)Why do you think that all those people had gathered there? Yes they being Jews were celebrating Shavuot.
Feast of tabernacles or Sukkot.God commanded His people to live in temporary dwellings for the week of Sukkot as a reminder of of the post Exodus years when thet lived in tents and booths. Most scolars are in agreement that this is when Jesus most likely was born, not Dec25th. He came to tabernacle among men. These are breif example of just a few of the Biblical holidays the foreshadow the birth, death, and resurection of Yeshua Hamashiac(Jesus the Messiah) There are more if you are interested. I would also like you to challenge me as well. Show me where in the Scriptures it is said that do away with the commandments of the Lord.

son of a prophet said...

Have You actually read the Bible?


I bet you celebrate all the paganized "Christian" holidays such as Easter and Christmas.

ANS.) TRUE. THESE ARE PAGAN HOLIDAYS.





I bet you also break the sabbath by going out for a nice ham dinner after church.

ANS.) FALSE. FOR CHRISTIANS, ALL THINGS ARE LAWFUL TO EAT, AS THEY ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW, BUT UNDER GRACE.





I know, I know the 'Law" was for the Jews only right.

ANS.) FALSE. THE LAW IS FOR ALL NON-BELIEVERS ON YESHUA NO MATTER WHAT ETHNICITY. CHRISTIANS ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW, BUT UNDER GRACE. (NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH A LICENSE TO SIN.)




Jesus did away with the "Law" right?

ANS.) TRUE. YESHUAs FULFILLED THE LAW.





Unfortunately 200 years of false church doctrine, and anti-semitism have led you to believe that the law was to be kept as a means of salvation for the jews.

ANS.) NOT SURE WHAT IS MEANT HERE, BUT JEWISH CHRISTIANS ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW AS ANY OTHER CHRITSIAN IS NOT UNDER THE LAW.

THE LAW IS FOR ALL NON BELIEVERS WHO ARE NOT UNDER GRACE; JEWISH NON BELIEVERS, GENTILE NON BELEIVERS ETC.






But God saw that it was too difficult to keep so he sent Yeshua to do away with it all.

ANS.) FALSE. GOD SENT HIS SON TO FULFILL THE LAW PERDECTLY AS THE ELDERS WERE ABUSING THE LAW TO THEIR ADVANTAGE AND THUS THE TRUE LAW DID NOT EXIST ANYMORE BUT HAD BECOME MERE RITUAL. GOD WAS NO LONGER IN THE HEARTS OF THE RULING JEWS OF THAT DAY. THE AVERAGE JEW HAD NO ACCESS, SO YESHUA TORE DOWN THE THEMPLE CURTAIN ALLOWIN ALL JEWS ACCESS TO GOD.




You see there was the mean Old Testament God who saddled his chosen people with rules they could by no means keep, how nice. Then there is the nice New Testament God who decided to do away with it all. So I thought God does not change. Apparently he does.


ANS.) GOD DOES NOT CHANGE.






The word translated to law is actually Torah, the first five books of the Scriptures. The word Torah is rooted in a Hebrew word that means to "hit the mark", it is an archery term.
I challenge you to study the appointed feast and festivals, that God gave to the children of Israel as a lasting covenant throughout ALL generations.
These festivals paint a perfect profetic picture of Yeshua (Jesus).

Passover-Yeshuais our passover lamb.
Shavuot-Pentecost. Shavuot means fifty. Fifty Days after the resurection was Pentecost.
Shavuot is when God gave the Torah on Mount Sinai. Pentecost is when the Holy Spirit decended on those gathered in the room(he is our living Torah)Why do you think that all those people had gathered there? Yes they being Jews were celebrating Shavuot.
Feast of tabernacles or Sukkot.God commanded His people to live in temporary dwellings for the week of Sukkot as a reminder of of the post Exodus years when thet lived in tents and booths. Most scolars are in agreement that this is when Jesus most likely was born, not Dec25th. He came to tabernacle among men. These are breif example of just a few of the Biblical holidays the foreshadow the birth, death, and resurection of Yeshua Hamashiac(Jesus the Messiah) There are more if you are interested. I would also like you to challenge me as well. Show me where in the Scriptures it is said that do away with the commandments of the Lord.

ANS.) NO WHERE DOWS IT SAY TO DO AWAY WITH THE COMMANDMENTS..."IF YOU LOVE ME, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS."

WHAT WAS DONE AWAY WITH IS THE SACRIFICE OFFERING FOR BREAKING THE COMMANDMENTS AND MAKING ATONEMENT AND WASHING AWAY SIN.

MANY ERRONEOUSLY CONFUSE A CHRISTIAN NOT BEING UNDER THE LAW, BUT UNDER GRACE AS A LICENSE TO SIN, LIKE A FREE PASS. IT IS NOT!

NONETHELESS, A CHRISTIAN IS NOT UNDER THE LAW, BUT UNDER GRACE.

A TRUE CHRISTIAN DOES NOT NEED THE LAW, AS THE LAW IS WRITTEN ON THEIR HEARTS.





8:16 PM

son of a prophet said...

ADDENDA:

SHORLTY THE "GOSPEL OF GRACE" WILL BE ENDING AND THE EARTH WILL BE ENTERING THE PERIOD OF THE "GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM."

DURING THIS PERIOD, MOST CERTAINLY, THE LAW IN FACT FOR JEWS WILL BE KEPT, IN FACT FOR EVERYBODY, JEW OR NOT, AS NO ATONEMENT CAN BE MADE FOR SIN, AS THE GRACE PERIOD HAS RUN OUT, SORT OF LIKE A FREE INTEREST PERIOD ON A BILL. THE BILL IS NOW COME DUE AND WILL BE PAID IN FULL.

TRIBUTE WILL BE PAID TO THE FALSE MESSIAH RESIDING IN JERUSALEM, UP UNITL THE "ABOMINATION OF DESLATION" WHERE THE FALSE MESSIAH DESECRATES THE TEMPLE.

YESHUAs MESSAGE TO JEWS FOR THAT TIME..."WHEN YOU SEE THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION, STAND IN THE HOLY PLACE..."

THE HOLY PLACE WILL BE OUTSIDE THE TMEPLE, NOT IN IT, AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

Wisconsin said...

I am leaving my 1st comment after reading this blog for months.

I am a client & jumped into the process over a year ago and I am now facing foreclosure. I am not pissing about it. I made a decision and I am looking at options to deal with my situation.

What I realized about myself during this whole process is that I adopted a mindset that goes along with quick easy cash with little or no work. The potential few hundred grand I was going to receive was spent 100 times. Waiting on a dream that may be only that, a dream. It is a poverty mindset. I'm not moaning about a few grand. I'm getting real, & earning it back then some. It's been a big learning experience. Open your eyes wider, YOU and I have the potential to earn vast riches. When we earn, our gratitude will be in line with our earnings and we will grow in the process. Kurt & Scott latched onto their dream & haven't let go, what are your dreams.

Gforce said...

TCOB-----If you can not grasp the concept of material wealth(among other things), then you would have an extremely hard time existing in Heaven, in fact, you would not be able to exist at all. It will take faith to live there. Whatsoever is not of faith is sin. There is no sin in Heaven. God apparently has chosen to pave the street in front of my mansion with GOLD. Jesus was approximately just 3 years old when he was given very expensive gifts in abundance---GOLD, FRANCENSENCE, and MYRH. His ministry supported 70 people plus their families. He had a full-time treasurer to keep track of funds. "Blessed is the poor"---He came to free them from poverty and oppression. Money is only a part of the definition of true wealth. If you have cancer and million dollars, you are a poor man with a million dollars. The LOVE of money is the root of all evil. Money is NOT evil. Satan comes only but to steal, kill, and destroy. He is the father of ALL lies. He and those that follows his ways, have absolutely no right to the wealth in their possession. You are and will be witnessing the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of earth from the wicked to the righteous.

Wisconsin said...

Kurt
Your comment about truth is appropriate for your situation. My question to you, what are your plans or what is your strategy when dealing with rampant relativism in our judicial system? You call them political hacks, yet they hold the keys to lock your cell! They may weild false power, or power under false pretenses, yet they are making your life uncomfortable. My concern for you is that you may know the absolute truth, every last letter of the law, yet when you look the dragon in the eyes it comes down to politics.

I will continue to pray for you.

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WillToFight said...

Mogel

On "Subject Matter Jurisdiction"

Isn't that just a matter of whether "State" court v. "Federal" Court would here the case.

I don't think the banks make many mistakes as to filing in the wrong jurisdiction, or do they? If they did all they'd have to do is refile in the proper court.

Is there anything else in "Subject Matter Jurisdiction" that I might have missed that can be used to help folks?

WillToFight said...

Tell you what! We have not heard from "SeenItInUtah" as in earlier blogs he swore to having so much evidence about the Bond and other information.

Goes to show, he is trying to mislead us and discourage us from our goal!

WillToFight said...

Mogel

Could this be a question "Subject Matter Jurisdiction" where citizenship v. sovereignty are concerned?

What am I missing? If anything!

hockeydonn said...

Duane,

I think your right. In reality, what the books say is the law is of little consequence. So, in essence THERE IS NO LAW. The Constitution is all but torn up and trown in the garbadge. I am the first to say that it is disheartening. However I do not believe that we are doomed. I really believe that these thugs can be brought down, but the way we do it is through political persuasion. I think that Kurt recognises this. I hope that he will be inspired to act in ways that will pressure the cartels into submittion. One thing is fairly certain though. If he does win it won't be because the law was on his side. And if he looses, it won't be because he has broken the none existing law. It will be because he didn't kmow the secret oaths and covenants of the illuminati. They (judges) will not bite the hand that feeds them.

Peanut Gallery said...

Son Of a Prophet,
You only gave pat "church" answers to the questions. I would like to dialog further in detail, but do not want to tie up the blog. If interested let me know and I will give you my e mail and we can converse.

son of a prophet said...

PG-

I do not give 'pat church answers.'

I do not attend any church.

These are interpretations of Scripture given to me by the Holy Spirit.

I do not think debate would be profitable, as the Holy Spirit only reveals ts each of us what is good for us to know at a particular time.

Also, being able to apply what one knows is totally depedent on the Holy Spirit as well.

A simple example of this is as follows:

If I walk up to a Christian and start puncing him in the face, if he reacts by hitting me back, he has just lost witness.

However, the bible is perfectly clear about not repaying evil for evil and turning the other cheek.

All Christins know these verses, yet can not apply them.

Reason: The Holy Spirit has not yet enabled them to apply what they know.

Peanut Gallery said...

SOP,
I do not want to debate, I want to discuss,plain and simple. I do not intend to "hit you over the head"

So according to the Holy Spirit eating unclean foods is O.K. because the Livitical "law" was done away with. Because it was revealed to Peter in a dream that all foods are clean. Consider the fact that Peter was a practicing Jew, a very devout Jew to the Torah. He would not ever consider swine to be "food".

As far as doing away with the sacrificial system. True Yeshua is our blood sacrifice, how ever the reason that the sacrifices were no longer practiced is because of the destruction of the temple in 70A.D.It is a violation of Torah to sacrifice outside the temple system. Believers were sacrificing at the temple until its destruction.

son of a prophet said...

PG-

what I have said are interpretations from the bible.

Everything I have said is there.

It appears that you may be Jewish.

If so, this would explain our seeing things differently.

If not, then discussing it, as I have said would serve no useful purpose.

These are things that either the Holy Spirit has revealed to one or not. Discussing it is fruitless.

I have been in hundreds of disucssins and have come to realisze they serve no useful purpose when one is trying to explain things on a "spiritual" level, also knows as a 'supernatural' level.

May the Peace of Yeshua be with you.

DJ said...
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DJ said...

I have been in the dorean process and fortunately never quit paying my note on my house, but now my mortgage company is trying to charge me $5600 for being in default when i've never been late on a payment. I've sent qwr's to them with no response on their part to this point. Any suggestions of anyone having dealt with this to eliminate these fees charged and to correct my paperwork back to the original state with the recorders office. Please contact me, it would be greatly appreciated.

dscredit2000@yahoo.com

Peanut Gallery said...

SOP,

What you believe is known as replacemnt theology.You most likely believe the the Jew has been replaced by the christian as Gods chosen.
No I am not a blood Jew, nor have I converted. I believe that Yeshua is the Messiah.What would it matter anyway?If I was would it disqualify you from discussing things with me?
I also believe the entire Bible.
What scripture to you think Yeshua taught from? The new Testament? No He taught from the Torah, He authored the Torah. He is the living Torah. So why would he do away with His own Word.
No he did not come to do away with the Law, He fulfilled it by living it perfectly as no mere man could have done. He did not make a "new" covenant. The Hebrew word that is translated as new, actually means to re-new. This same word is used to describe the new moon. The moon is not desroyed at the end of every cycle and recreated. It is renewed in its appearance in the sky.
You say it is fruitless to discuss these things, then your "spirit" has closed up your mind. It is always fruitfull to discuss the word of God, The whole word. I believe you spiritual knowledge of Scriptures may be such that you are not up to the challenge. What does "Do not let one jot or tiddle of these word be changed" mean to you?

The prophet Isaiah states the Messiah would NOT speak against or abbrogate the Torah. If this is true then Yeshua is a false messiah.

son of a prophet said...

PG-

It must have been you that wrote to me once before regarding 'replacement theology'; which again you have attributed to me when I have never stated nor implied this.

This will be my last post 'discussing' this issue with you.

You are free to believe what you like and to also believe about me what you like. It doesnt really matter to me what you believe.

I have discussed with your 'types.'

You seek not to learn, but argument and confrontation to 'prove' that you are correct.

You cannot 'prove' anything, as I have said before. These are thngs of Holy Spirit wisdom. Either one has it or one doesnt. Either one understnds this or one doesnt. There is nothing to discuss.

If you had it, you would understand. You are trying to understand with the human mind of things that are spiritual and logical. Logic does not apply here.

Can you possibly know my life hisotry or what the Holy Spirit has revealed to me? No, you cannot. You are trying to use logic, as if this were a courtroom.

THE SAME LOGIC THAT THE PHARISEES LIKE NICODEMUS TRIED TO USE.

This is what lawyers in a courtroom try to use, like the Sanhedrin. All that logic does not apply here.

These are spiritual things.

You quote and you quote, but its obvious that its not in or on your heart jsut like Nicodemus, trying to understand spiritual things with the human mind. (Church pastors do the same thing; they know the bible insied out, but devoid of Holy Spirit wisdom. Why I do not go to church; there is nothing they can teach me, and in fact theres lots I could teach them, but they dont know it.)

Rather than try to force your views upon me, take time and ask yourself if you understand what the Holy Spirit is and wheterh or not you possess it? And I did NOT say whether you can repeat what the bible says aobut it, BUT whehter you possess it??

Someone in this blog once said tht when the time comes, the martyrs were not in pain despite being tortured or burned at the stake.

That is the Holy Spirit's description of what it is.

Wheter or not YOU have it, means can YOU be burned at the stake and feel no pain???

That is the difference between describing what it is, and haivng possession of it.

ASK YOURSELF THESE QUESTIONS.

I have been given Holy Spirit wisdom. I do not need to, nor can I, prove it to you.

May the Peace of Yeshua be with you.

tcob247 said...

son of prophet

You are a good candidate to be a cult leader.

You are right, everyone else is wrong.

No hears the holy spirit better than you.

You are too good for churches or other christians

You alone have the answers because the Holy Spirit speaks directly to you.

I think I've heard this before.

Oh well, I'm sure you will have a great answer for me as I am not spiritually enlightened.

This has really turned from focusing on Dorean and on religion

We should get back to the purpose of the blog.

Pro or con on mortgage elimination

hockeydonn said...

SOP

If no one is to discuss it with each other, I wonder how you came to have the biblical record? Did not the apostles and prophets preach to the people and discuss spiritual things even among themselves? Of course the Holy spirit will testify to the truthfulness of the things discussed and in his absence will testify to the falicy as well. You are proud and puffed up. I can tell you that if I were Lucifer I would want to keep a man isolated as much as possible unable to recieve support from his fellows. It is awfull convenient and cowardly to keep ones light hid under a bushel don't you think? Esspecially if he is not confident in what he would like to believe is light and truth. I believe the spirit has testified to me to the nature of your heart. You want to be a prophet for glory not to teach, feed and lead his sheep. And thereofr you are false. Why else would you be so driven to offer up great lyrics without the willingness to serve. I agree that arguing is not an environment where the spirit will dwell, but discussing and learning are not arguing.

son of a prophet said...

TCOB said:



son of prophet



You are a good candidate to be a cult leader.

NO. BECAUSE I DO NOT SEEK ANY FOLLOWERS, BUT ONLY TO TEACH THOSE WILLING TO LEARN.

BESIDES, WE ALREADY HAVE PLENTY OF THOSE, THEY ARE CALLED PASTORS AND STAND AT PULPITS SENDING MANY THOUSANDS INTO PERDITION WITH THEIR FALSE TEACHING.

SATAN RULES IN CORPORATE CHURCHES, AS THESE ARE 501-C CORPORATIONS. CORPORATIONS ARE AGENTS OF THE STATE. WHAT DID YESHUA HAVE TO DO WITH THE STATE???

CORPORATE CHURCHES WERE CREATED BY DECEPTION, SIMILAR TO THE BANKING PROCESS. YOU COULD START A DOREAN PROCESS ON LIBERATING CORPORATE CHURCES FROM THE STATE. SAME DEAL.

IN CORPORATE CHURCHES, THE DECIEVED BELEIVE THAT THEY ARE WORSHIPPING YESHUA, WHEN IN FACT, THEY ARE PAYING HOMAGE TO SATAN.






You are right, everyone else is wrong.

YOU HAVE SAID THIS, NOT I.




No hears the holy spirit better than you.

HAVENT MET ANYONE YET, BUT WILL KNOW WHEN I DO.

You are too good for churches or
other christians

WHAT DO TRUE CHRISTIANS HAVE TO DO WITH CORPORATE CHURCHES WHERE SATAN RULES???

You alone have the answers because the Holy Spirit speaks directly to you.

YES. THE HOLY SPIRIT SPEAKS DIRECTLY TO ME. DOESNT HE TO YOU??
IF NOT, HOW IS IT YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN?

I think I've heard this before.

HEARD WHAT BEFORE???

Oh well, I'm sure you will have a great answer for me as I am not spiritually enlightened.

SEEK THE TRUTH, AND YOU SHALL FIND IT.

This has really turned from focusing on Dorean and on religion

We should get back to the purpose of the blog.

Pro or con on mortgage elimination

son of a prophet said...

hockedonn-


even the oriental philosophers had a proverb which has a universal truth to it:

WHEN THE STUDENT IS READY, THE TEACHER WILL APPEAR.



Thus, your statement that I am not willing to teach, is false.

I AM VERY WILLINT TO TEACH. ARE YOU WILLING TO LEARN??

What I do not want to do, is debate issues that the Holy Spirit has taught me, as this is not teaching, but debating which is a waste of everyones time.

Also, upcoming events shortly leave no time for debate.

The Holy Spirit will be very soon teaching a 'crash course' so to speak that everyone can get in on.

But, it will not be very pleasant, I can guarentee you.

Currently, the Holy Spirit teaches thru suffering, suffering and more suffering which the whole world is going to go thre very, very shortly.

At that point, I gurentee that you will understand.

Consider the preceding info from me as an introductory lesson number one.

Further graduate study level lessons will come from the Holy Spirit Himself.

Then you will understand, and all your questions will be answered.


Peace.

whataboutjere said...

Could you please take your religious discussion to an appropriate forum?

tcob247 said...

LOL you are a hoot sonofprophet

By the way....thanks for making my point about you being a good candidate for a cult leader.
I'm sure everyone sees that now


Anyways...........
back to the business at hand

Here is an update from Dr Fred, hot off the press..

" December 15, 2005:
Dear Client’s:

The purpose of these updates is to keep you informed as to the what, where, when, why, and whatfore of the experience we are all going through this mortgage elimination process. Would to God it had all worked as it could/should have, and neither of us would be doing this update procedure. Nevertheless we are all here and working through what can and needs to be done. I hope to go over some of the things that need to be done and things that can be done in order to posture you as clients ready to receive a cash stipend and the extinguishing of your present mortgage. There are still things being done on your behalf and you will note in my last update we are still on schedule as to the closing of the settlement, and nothing to date has change that. It is possible that may be expedited if Both Kurt and Scott are returned to California and are bailed out. To date neither Kurt nor Scott has given jurisdiction to the state of Utah therefore they are being held as the bodies only. A fulcrum in their case in Utah will be on December 20, 2005 and that will determine whether or not they shall be returned to California forthwith. Please allow me to go over some of the things you must do to continue the process.
You need to go to the Blog (address is a footnote) often as to seek the website posted for a “Claims Form”, that form will need to be filled out and returned to where it directs you to send it. You needn’t read the comments but only what Kurt is writing as
(Whistleblower) to you as for information and updates. You will need a copy of your trust naming both Kurt and Scott as trustees, so that may negotiate your settlement on your behalf. You will need to establish banking for the trust in order to have a place domestically to move the settlement funds from place to place without it becoming a taxable event, or exposing the funds, or having the funds as a liability rather then an asset. I have a staff of people and myself available who can aid you in doing this in an easy and lawful manner. The things you can do to aid you in the overall process is purchase the DVD’s that will show in a comprehensive fashion all that you’ve done while in the “Mortgage Challenge Programme” and why and what makes the process work. The price will remain on the “Early Bird Special” at $70.00 throughout the remainder of this year and will then in the new year go to their regular price of $250.00. Remember this is the full 8 hours plus of professional classroom training and education in the mortgage elimination/challenge programme. You can always call me with questions concerning your own business and regarding the use of the trust. With regard to those that do call perhaps I sometimes become a bit surly when sharing information with you but it will oft help you to learn the things that will allow you leave a large and lasting legacy to your beneficial interest. If you were offended, please forgive me and give me another chance, I’ll do better the next time. When you hang up just remember I am old and working far harder then I ever imagined I would be at this age.
Now allow me to thank the many, many of you that both call and write expressing your love, prayers, concern, and gratitude for Kurt and Scott. I oft make those make those sentiments available to them and it does bless them knowing of your expressions. If you are receiving this update secondhand you should write me and get on the mailing list and receive all your information firsthand. So much has to be explained when someone else interprets this information for you.
In closing may I request two things of you on my behalf? First, I will you and yours to have the best Christmas and subsequent holidays you’ve ever had? Second, will you continue praying for all of us and both Kurt and Scott that we all make the most appropriate, correct, and wise decisions in your interest?

I remain just another piece of clay on the Potter’s wheel.

Blessing to all,

Dr. H. Fred Johnson
Blog address: http://thedoreangroup.blogspot.com

PS: Remember when sending me mail I do not sign for it!
PPS: I am always available for calls and available for calls concerning the trust 24/7!"

Tony Tuba said...

staht ynroc

Tony Tuba said...

Don't look now, but I'm back!!!! "Antarctica Boy" / John2004 is here with more news about the strange and odd that is.........Antarctica. Enjoy!


Russian scientists drill Antarctica to the bottom
12/15/2005 11:34
Antarctica is the world's most secure bank

A scientist is keen on drilling deeper wells in Antarctica if he happens to explore the ice-clad continent. One of the projects dealing with the scientific drilling in Antarctica is called European Project for Ice Coring in Antarctica. Scientists analyzed the core samples taken from a depth of more than 3,000 meters. The most important results have to do with the present-day concentration of carbon dioxide and methane in the earth's atmosphere, which showed the highest levels for the last 650,000 years.

Antarctica is the world's most secure bank. The Antarctic ice is especially valuable because the air bubbles frozen in the ice keep intact the air makeup since time immemorial. EPICA project involved participation of 10 European countries. Scientists drilled to 3,270 meters or the equivalent to 900,000 years traveled backwards in a time machine.

Russian scientists have drilled the ice to nearly 3,700 meters reaching the time equivalent of 440,000 years. The drilling is conducted above the underground lake in the vicinity of the Russian station Vostok. Russian scientists intend to continue drilling though the main objectives of their research are glaciology and paleontology. They are going to reach the underground lake after drilling the last 130 meters. The underground lake may have some unknown life forms.

"The concentration of carbon dioxide is 30% higher today than in any era examined by ice core samples while the level of methane is 130% higher," said Tomas Stocker at the University of Bern. "The gas concentration rate has increased spectacularly, these days it is 200 times higher than it was 650,000 years ago. The findings prove that carbon dioxide plays an immense role in the formation of climate on Earth," added he.

The highest concentration of green gases over the last 650,000 years brings out quite a bit of confusion in terms of climate change forecasting. After analyzing the core samples from Antarctica, European glaciologists concluded that the present warming period equaled the interglacial period that took place 400,000 years ago and lasted for 28,000 years.

Scientists are still in disagreement over the alleged link between the concentration of carbon dioxide and climate change. Corresponding member of the Russian Academy of Sciences Andrei Kapitsa is confident that increasing levels of the carbon dioxide does not result in the greenhouse effect. Many scientists of note believe that man-made gas emissions can not lead to changes of the earth's thermal conditions. There is a different kind of dependence revealed by climate restoration technique on the basis of various data including those of the Antarctic core samples.

The warming caused by different reasons led to an increase in the concentration of carbon dioxide in days of old. Perhaps the circumstance can be explained by the fact that 95% of all carbon monoxide is dissolved in the ocean. The higher goes the temperature, the less gas water can retain. Once the warming period sets in, the ocean begins to breathe and "spit out" carbon dioxide in amounts that defy imagination. The findings of the Russian drilling operation in Antarctica indicate that climate warming always preceded the increase of carbon dioxide in the earth's atmosphere. The findings contradict the greenhouse effect theory and scientific foundations the Kyoto protocol is based upon. Notwithstanding the findings, the fight for gas emissions reduction and clean atmosphere is still worthwhile.

Discuss this article on Pravda.Ru English Forum

Tony Tuba said...

Got Ice?

Tony Tuba said...

In August 2001 there was a big event in Antarctica. The "buzz" was that an alien spacecraft was believed to be in a frozen lake. Apparently the global warming had created enough melting in the lake that this "buzz" was believed to be real. I heard many ships were sent to help investigate and uncover this spacecraft in Antarctica.

It's believed that about every twelve thousand years the polar ice caps ,due to the weight of the ice, cause the Earth to tilt. What was the polar ice caps becomes the equator. What was the equator is now the North and South poles. This event happens quickly. It's a theory that this is how the spacecraft got stuck in the lake.

Here is my question. After the horrible events of 9/11, I never heard another thing about it. Ever. It seems to me finding life from another planet here on Earth might be a big story. Yet the silence continues.