Saturday, April 22, 2006

Dressing a Lie (4/06/06)

A successful lie if there is such a thing is one that is substantially true. The blatant lie fails because it is not subtle enough to fool the reason. The Zodiac which is the 12 signs from antiquity that are on the equatorial belt. They do tell a story and a destiny in truth. If I desire to hide the truth I keep the method but change the object of the story. This is how our legal system is designed to perpetrate a lie. Form and procedure are a mask or a dress to give the color of law. I was stalled at the Faretta until we could deliver God’s message. This is a hearing to determine if one is competent to represent oneself. Of course this is not true but it looks good. Now inserted as a precursor is my mental competence. I am much more happy with this issue because it is at the core of the conflict. Mental competence is the heart of a man’s identity or his truthfulness to himself and is also at the core of the presumed power exercised under the color of law by this court. Here is where we can draw the line as to what is reality and what is fiction. This is no child’s game because truth and reality being subjective can open a man to some of the greatest deceptions. Beyond subjectivity there are real truths, timeless, and greater than a man. If I dress in robe and gavel, have clerks, stenographers, marshals, guns, and jails I could be very convincing that my point of view is truth. Only one trained in truth with courage could survive all the temptations to enter wonderland with all these fictions and subjection to the colorful animation of law. Real law is nothing like this. There are no fictions and truth is the goal. The current farce is about decorum, banking, and public policy. Which is a term that simply means whatever is expedient to rule the masses. What works is exchanged for what’s right. Justice becomes Just-us. Now face to face, core to core, man against machine, truth verses a well dressed lie, all the presumption will be destroyed by settlement. Here is the strange way truth works in this wonderland. If the world is fiction and I am not than to become competent I must succumb to some form of fictional interface; Pro Per, Pro Se, Attorney, or standby counsel. If I wish to stay at truth and reality I must remain incompetent to truly be competent. Think of it like this. The black sheep of a black flock would appear white as snow. One must check his premise to find truth in the formal masquerade of “American” Jurisprudence dressed for the kill.

50 comments:

neodemes said...

"truth and reality being subjective"

Wrong. Truth is one of the few things that is NEVER subjective.

You advertised 100 successful mortgage eliminations when there were ZERO.

Folks flocked to you to join based on that "truth".

You let them all down.

Some are homeless.

That's the truth.

Live with it.

Stillwaiting said...

Neodems is right. Truth and lies are either black or white, unless your a lawyer and then you can stretch a lie to make it look like the truth however, it is a lie. I didn't sign up because I thought you could do it. I signed up because you said you could do it. Say all you want about delivering God's mesage but in the end you will be seen for what you really are. May God have mercy on your soul.
there is no doubt that our system legal, banking etc, are evil but what you have done is wrong. Fight the system, have followers but don't lie to them.
I will see the three of you very soon.

son of a prophet said...

WOW!!!





Did Black Pope Order And Help Orchestrate 9/11?
Or Is The Jesuit General What He Says He Is: A Holy Man, Serving God While Leading The Largest And Most Powerful Order in The Catholic Church?

Author of Vatican Assassins III, Eric Phelps, explores the true motives of Jesuit General Pete Hans Kolvenbach, as well as exploring his connection to 9/11.

20 Apr 2006

By Greg Szymanski



According to author Eric Phelps, Peter Hans Kolvenbach, the Jesuit General known as the Black Pope, ordered the 9/11 attacks assisted by a military advisor to warn of any mistakes and a confessor at his side to ease his conscience to absolve any sins.



The deadly plan, claims Phelps, was carried-out with the advice and consent of his general staff, composed of five assistants, each representing a hemisphere with many advisory Provincials, including 10 in the United States.



Further, success was guaranteed by total cooperation and obedience from New York Archbishop Edward Cardinal Egan through his obedient Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, the Secret Service, Military Intelligence, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the Mafia.



Phelps also claims, through decades of research shunned by the press, the same gang of criminals and agencies worked together before in carrying out the Kennedy assassination and cover-up under the control of their former master, Jesuit trained Francis Cardinal Spellman.



Most people when reading Phelps accusations in his latest third edition of the Vatican Assassins - new and starting one like the Jesuits being thrown out of Iraq in 1969 leading to a rash of assassinations of top Iraqi leaders - remained either wide-eyed with disbelief since its difficult to fathom men of the cloth could be so diabolical and ruthless.



However, without hesitation or qualification, Phelps research has uncovered the top two per cent of the more than 21,000 Jesuits priests making up the largest worldwide Catholic Order of the Society of Jesus actually worship another god - Lucifer - after taking a blood oath on top of their priestly vows of poverty, chastity and obedience.



Since 9/11, the general consensus among truth seekers claim the WTC and Pentagon attacks were an inside U.S. government job, claiming the Zionist- controlled Council on Foreign Relations aided and abetted in the mass murder.



However, only a few courageous souls, including Phelps have suggested the Zionist Jews and the Council on Foreign Relations, including obedient U.S. government officials who have also taken the Jesuit blood oath through membership in Freemasonry, the Knights of Malta and other satanic cults, are actually controlled by a higher spiritual power, the evil power being the hierarchy of the Jesuit military-minded order.



And according to Phelps and other researchers dismissing the New World's plans for genocide and World War III without including the top spiritual controllers, the Jesuits, is akin to trying to run top notch gourmet restaurant without a chef.



Regarding the real reason 9/11 took place, Phelps said in a recent article "because the appointed time has arrived for the Jesuit General to destroy both the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, secretly using his CIA/Nazi-trained, Masonic Zionist Mossad in conjunction with his CIA/Nazi-trained, Masonic Islamic Intelligence Agencies, including Osama bin Laden's MAK and Pakistan's ISI, while shrouded in the confusion of a huge aerial war yet to come. This will enable the General's crusading Knights Templars (the present day Shriner Freemasons) to rebuild Solomon's Temple - for the Papal Caesar in Rome's Vatican.



"And how could the Black Pope destroy these Moslem Mosques, they comprising the third most important Islamic religious site in the world behind Saudi Arabia's Mecca and Medina, without causing an uncontrollable Moslem holy war, called a "jihad", resulting in the destruction of Pope Pius XII's creation of Zionist Israel? (Remember, Israel was admitted into the New York-based United Nations in 1949 through the efforts of Jesuit-trained Francis Cardinal Spellman - the darling of Pope Pius XII who, after his Jesuits carried out the Jewish Holocaust in Europe and then driving the survivors to Palestine, intended, under the guidance of his Jesuit confessor, Augustin Cardinal Bea, to make Jerusalem an international city - while governed by the Papal Caesar's Chaim Weizmann and his Masonic Jewish Zionists.)



"The Black Pope must cause a war using a country he also wishes to further destroy. Enter the "Holy Roman" Fourteenth Amendment American Jesuit Empire created in 1868 on the ruins of George Washington's Calvinist Republic, the last political stronghold of the Protestant Reformation with freedom of conscience, freedom of speech and freedom of the press."



Specifically, the devious 9/11 plan has been a topic of interest for more than four years with many scenarios being offered, but none have added the spiritual ingredient of the Jesuits.



Here is the Jesuit General Kovenbach's plan, according to Phelp's research:



"In synchronizing his worldwide overt and covert factions to work the Order's evil ends of the Vatican's Counter-Reformation in restoring the Papal Caesar as the absolute Universal Monarch of the World," wrote Phelps, adding "the Black Pope used his Masonically-controlled, fanatically anti-Jewish Race, Islamic Intelligence operatives under the domestic control of the CIA (Osama bin Laden having been directed, financed and trained by the CIA for at least ten years.



"Just like Jesuit-trained and CIA-financed Fidel Castro before he, like bin Laden, became a false enemy of the CFR-controlled American government) to be openly and notoriously instructed as Islamic pilots at the Venice Airport (a Florida facility used by the CIA since 1948) in order for Archbishop Egan's controlled American Press to spread the prepared news release that the doomed airliners were hijacked by "Arab terrorists" in the employ of Osama bin Laden when in fact, to the horror of the American pilots, the airliners had been taken over and guided to their targets, remotely controlled by American Military Intelligence operatives overseen by the Black Pope's CIA/NSA.



"The Mussulmans in training never boarded the airliners involved in the September attacks evidenced by the absence of Islamic names on all four passenger lists. There was no fight between the passengers and the "hijackers" on flight 93, as reported by the deceived wife of the late Jeremy Glick.



"For flight 93 was shot down by an F-16 fighter, blowing off its wing which landed at least six miles away from the main wreckage! And if the inexperienced "hijackers" had boarded all four airliners, the novices never would have been able to navigate the planes into the targets unless they had been crack fighter pilots according to a group of highly professional, both civilian and military, American aviators.



"Archbishop Egan's CFR-controlled American Press then placed the blame for these acts of high treason and murder squarely on the shoulders of the Black Pope's Saudi prince and CIA operative, Osama bin Laden, including his al-Qaeda Network secretly working for the Jesuit General's International Terrorist Network. Tens of thousands of "heretic and liberal" Americans perished, thereby justifying a war between the Moslem World and 'the Great Satan'."



"Although many have agreed the world is involved in a spiritual battle, Americans have failed to connect the deceptive dots, clinging to the shallow theory of a Muslim, Christian and Jewish battle without considering the possibility of a more demonic presence actually pulling the puppet strings.



Trying to unveil the black mask of secrecy worn by the Black Pope and his Illuminati minions, Phelps draws a conclusion worth considering, conclusions that should be open to public debate not hidden in the annals of untold stories.



"The institutions to be destroyed on September 11, 2001 were the Banking and Military centers of "the Great Satan" - the Pope's World Trade Center and the Pentagon overseen by his Knights of Malta - supporting and protecting the Pope's Zionist government of Israel.



"There, the Jewish People, in the midst of whom are the Lord's beloved Jewish Race, known as "the holy seed" with Biblical promises yet to inherit including the fulfilling of the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants under their returning Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ, have been set up to be ultimately betrayed, as they are unknowingly living under the secret government of the Black Pope, publicly overseen by his Masonic Jewish Zionists in conjunction with certain of his Masonic Talmudic Rabbis, who betrayed their own Jewish People, both racially and religiously, into Hitler's Death Camps during World War II.



"Its subterranean storehouse of gold quite possibly having been previously removed to the New York Federal Reserve Bank, the World Trade Center was sacrificed, internally, using surgically placed Composition C5 charges detonated by the New York Archbishop, Edward Cardinal Egan, through his unified American Intelligence Community.



The Black Pope now, according to Phelps, has a perfect war orchestrated between two peoples he wishes to destroy.



"For both Peoples, the White and Black Protestants and Baptists along with the Jewish Race of North America, and the Semitic Moslems of the Middle East, are condemned by the Jesuits' evil and wicked Council of Trent, they having been historically the greatest enemies of the Jesuit Order's "infallible" Pope, who, since the days of Innocent III (1215), has claimed to be the one true God on earth," said Phelps.



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neodemes said...

Nothing personal SOP, but, since setting up a blog spot is pretty easy, why not set one up and post links to it here?

I'm sure those who read your long posts would go to your links to read your stuff.

Just a friendly suggestion.

son of a prophet said...

Neo,

nothing personal, but are you a christian?

if so, do you not believe that christians should be aware of what is being written about topics like 9/11 and such?

people who need to be made aware aleredy read poison planet and infowars.com etc.

it is those who are not aware of waht is going on that i am trying to make aware.

and as someone has already mentioned, there is only speculatoin going on here and nothing of note is being blogged.

dr fred only posts sporadically and my posts do not in any way interfere with his.

and besides, do you yourself not already have a blog?

if so, then why do you post here?

and dont tell me that what you post is relevant, as this is a (at least supposed to be) dorean support blog, not an anti-dg blog such as yours.

fair enuf?

neodemes said...

Its not the content, so much as the length of the posts. A link to the original source or to your blog would suffice.

Just a friendly suggestion.

son of a prophet said...

neodems,

i have no beef with you.

however, i will continue to post what i feel is necessary.

at the end of the day, we are all in this toghter, whether we are pro-dg or anti-dg.

the ptb have determined this, not i.

win, lose or draw, it eventually is going to come down the religion, not whehter you mtg. was eliminated or not,or wheter you lose you house or not.

and that day is far closer than 99.99% of the sheeple realize.

if the foregoing article is true, we are in very deep.

and knowing the the ptb always release the info on their dirty deeds; its like they are saying, "ok, we feel taht we can now move to the next phase and nothing can stop us, so we'll release the info on what we've done so far and see who can stop us; it also serves to flush out any oppositoin which needs to be 'taken care of' "


if this article is true, then the ac is alive already and just waiting for the right moment to seize power (become the next and last pope who will be the ac)

it all makes so much sense. even the pope himself is just a figurehead for the time being; holding the office for the supreme ac who is really running things behind the scenes, until he is ready to fulfill bible prophecy as the reived roman empire head.

son of a prophet said...

and besides, i normally dont post on saturdays, but i dont have my car until tomorrow, as a friend it fixing it today (oil gasket), so i am bored to death and need something to do, so why not post here?

Marje Kimberly said...

I pray the Dorean Group is successful at achieving the victory to which they are so greatly entitled.

I think the average American, while meaning well, has turned into a "slug of apathy." Unless something is spoonfed to us on a silver platter, without any hills or valleys -- we want to parachute out of the airplane. Many times our exit is without any kind of thirst for the true facts. Thus, we jump to conclusions without any knowledge whatsoever, and wind up coming to dead-wrong conclusions.

I think lack of knowledge is the key to any of the Dorean Group participants who have jumped ship.
It's tough to "hang in there" when things are still in the negotiation stage, and the phoney Feds are wearing their most believable masquerade costumes.

I hope God helps keep Kurt and Scott's courage high, while the final stages of the lies and deception are put to an end in our favor.

There have been many deaths to buy the freedom in this Country. That very same freedom for which we've fought,has now become tyranny and fraud.

Yes, it's a big network of criminals! So since you, Kurt, know what it's like to be behind bars with many criminals, I'm sure it hasn't been an easy decision to pole-vault right back into the arms of the aggressor.

Please know my prayers of all good things are with you.

habakkuk said...

Marje,

What a breath of fresh air. We havn't heard from a normal human being for several days now. Thanks;)

you will know them by their fruit said...

Marge,

I don't think God is doing his work through evil. I think in finding God as He is, you will find Kurt has nothing to do with Him.

Kurt is very disturbed and dangerously misleading people. Sorry, but Christ is not in him.

Matthew 7:15,16 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits....

2 Timothy 4:3,4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables.

2 Peter 3:16,17 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;

son of a prophet said...

habakkuk said...

"Marje,

What a breath of fresh air. We havn't heard from a normal human being for several days now. Thanks;)"



gee! thanx hab?!

neodemes said...

"So since you, Kurt, know what it's like to be behind bars with many criminals, I'm sure it hasn't been an easy decision to pole-vault right back into the arms of the aggressor."

Kurt served 5 years with "no regrets".

No rent, free food, all at the taxpayers expense. And if he should get out someday, he has YOUR money stashed away to live out his golden years.

Win-win, right Kurt?

habakkuk said...

Fruity said....


"I don't think God is doing his work through evil. I think in finding God as He is, you will find Kurt has nothing to do with Him.

Kurt is very disturbed and dangerously misleading people. Sorry, but Christ is not in him."

The only way you can make such a bold statement like that is if the Holy Spirit gave you that discernment. So...what your really saying is that the HS gave you the discernment to know that Kurt is an evil man and "Chirst is not in him".....right? Is that what your trying to say? (Warning: think very hard about that question before you answer...the HS is listening). What your really trying to say is that kurt is the spawn of the devil and his #1 intention from the start was to rip people off and take the $ and go to some island somewhere .......right?

It always suspect to me when people can so easily say that "Christ is not in him" even when there is tons of evidence to prove that his motives were sincere. Yes, he made some mistakes in judgement but any honest person can see his sincerety in the facts. Those same accusing people will ignore the fact that the banks are comitting frauds and telling lies left and right to try and slander kurt.

So i really want to hear your spiritual answer Fruit. Because either you are 100% right or not.

you will know them by their fruit said...

It is not me that is 100% right, it is God. I just choose to be on His side rather than trying to rationalize how He can be on my side.

His will matters, not ours.

son of a prophet said...

hab said....


"...(Warning: think very hard about that question before you answer...the HS is listening)."



thats almost exactly what i told someone in another forum...to watch what they say because they feel safe from whrer they are (behind a computer/keyboard) BUT, i told them that the HS can easily be like AT&T...(reach out and touch someone) and reach out and slap them in the head from where they sit....they falsely believe that they are immune because they are anonymous(e) behind their keyboard....and they are, but not to the HS....no matter where one sits....the penalties for perjury and blaspheming the HS are the same....

son of a prophet said...

i also want to comment that i feel that the supposed terror attack written about by ken welch may have been prevented?? by the posting of that article, but in any case i feel that it occured in another city...tel aviv....i believe that this bobming was somehow related...suicide bobmings are common in israel, but when did one hear of bombings in tel aviv...not in my recetn memory...it accomplised the same ends...to stir up reason to start bobming iran, which i feel will happen any day now.


i am in no way condoning the tel aviv bombing, just that the ptb need to start wwIII and if they cant pull off another 9/11 here to do it, then they will look elsewhre...and the next logical place would be in tel aviv, perhaps to provoke israel to start the war with iran, which will become wwIII; bad for everyone on this planet. the rider on the red horse is up next.

oksurewhynot said...

"Dressing a Lie"
Kurt's commentaries are self portraits. You can learn a lot about the mindset. Most of it applies to him not others.

neodemes said...

Agreed, OKSure.

And much of it is just foolish...

"The black sheep of a black flock would appear white as snow."

No, they would still appear, and be, black sheep.

Keep on a-bleating, though Kurt. Its great entertainment.

you will know them that I am a fruit said...

you will know them by their fruit Matthew 7:15,16 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits....

Sounds like Judge Roy Bean. Did you read this guy's history? Kurt is not the con-man, but it's actually JRB and his co-horts. That's already PROVEN in the history books.

you will know them that I am a fruit said...

Marge,

I don't think God is doing his work through evil. I think in finding God as He is, you will find Kurt has everything to do with Him.

I am very disturbed and dangerously misleading people. Sorry, but Christ is not in me.

neModemes said...

"So since you, Kurt, know what it's like to be behind bars with many criminals, I'm sure it hasn't been an easy decision to pole-vault right back into the arms of the aggressor."

Kurt served 5 years with "no regrets".

Actually, my moronic instincts and hearsay surfaces yet again. Kurt was sentenced to 5 years 8 months, but served 2.5 years and was paroled.

neModemes said...

neodemes said...
Agreed, OKSure.

And much of it is just foolish...

"The black sheep of a black flock would appear white as snow."

No, they would still appear, and be, black sheep.

Keep on a-bleating, though Kurt. Its great entertainment, and in return, I keep getting the opportunity to make myself look like more of an idiot as I post more inaccurate "facts".

mogel said...

"truth and reality being subjective can open a man to some of the greatest deceptions."

This is the same as saying truth & reality not being in question or in conflict will NOT open you up to any deception.

I think Bruce you missed the point & twisted what Kurt said by not quoting the rest of his sentence. Are you trying to put a spin on things again. Can't you just listen to what someone is really trying to say without putting a spin on it?

I don't think Kurt ever advertised since Brokers & agents did that & certainly never said there were 100 successful mortgage eliminations. Mortgage elimination infers that the lender agrees to the process without any reservations. In Kurt's blog he said the process is not "mortgage elimination", but a way to trap the lender into a position of bad faith & even made similiar comments to this very early on. Kurt said the process was NOT a cookie cutter method where you could predict the lenders behaviour in every case. I think you twisted things there again too. From day one, both Principals emphasized that the process was not risk free. Mortgage elimination sounds like the process is risk free & automatic, & every person that followed things from day one & listened to all of Kurt & Scott's comments, should have understood that & would have understood that if they did their due diligence. However, none the less if things go as planned, even those that were mislead will see get what they expected from the beginning & much more.

mogel said...

Fruity one said something ABOUT HERSELF I finally agree with.

"I am very disturbed and dangerously misleading people."

Christ is certainly not in your words, "Fruity one" since you are on the wrong side of this issue. You can know someone by their fruits, but you can also know someone by the issues they support or fight. You talk about God's will, but don't understand His will. If you understood His will, you wouldn't judge shamelessly all of the time & wouldn't be so much in the dark on so many issues. What illuminating light have you brought to this blog?

mogel said...

Fruity One said: "I don't think God is doing his work through evil."

OH REALLY? WHY THEN DO YOU DEFEND THE BANKS FOR THEIR EVIL?



You then said: " I think in finding God as He is, you will find Kurt has everything to do with Him."

THAT'S A TRUE STATEMENT. AS YOU UNDERSTAND GOD'S WILL, YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THAT KURT IS AN INSTRUMENT FOR HIM.

You then said: "I am very disturbed and dangerously misleading people. Sorry, but Christ is not in me."

IF YOU ADMIT THAT CHRIST'S WORDS ARE NOT IN YOU, THEN, I CAN NOW DISMISS EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAY, RIGHT?

mogel said...

Fruity One said: "I don't think God is doing his work through evil."

Oh really? WHO ARE YOU to limit what God can do & how? So God being all powerful, why didn't he just get rid of Satan long ago when he first rebelled in Heaven then? Don't you think God is omnipotent? Obviously he isn't if you accept that God doesn't use evil for righteous purposes. For someone that tries to understand God's will, you truly are ignorant. Obviously God doesn't get rid of Satan, because he can use Satan to fulfill his work & his Godly purposes. Without opposition there is no real choice. Free agency or choice would not exist. Learning would not exist. "There must be opposition in all things". Without it, there is no spiritual growth, so even evil has a purpose in the scheme of eternal things. Without evil you can't appreciate the good.

mogel said...

"The black sheep of a black flock would appear white as snow."

Nemo, don't take things literally when they may not be intended as such. I think this statement might be a metaphor describing some Judges in the judicial system. They appear as "white" or pure, & appear as having the truth (premise), since they are judges, respected by most the flock, but in reality they are "black", a color devoid of light & truth. Judges in their "black robes" might be "Dressed to kill" which infers deception, not what they appear to be to the masses (white). In the movies, the good Cowboy dresses in white & we identify with him as the hero, & good guy, so why is it that "black" is the color of choice for Judges? Could there be some true to life symbolism here?

Tony Tuba said...

temple 1 - silent nature

neodemes said...

mogel said...
Fruity one said something ABOUT HERSELF I finally agree with.

"I am very disturbed and dangerously misleading people."

C'mon, Byron, you KNOW its the perverted-mimic who posted that crap, not the real 'fruit'. Why try to perpetuate the notion if you are so rightous, as you pretend to be. You might consider practicing what you preach.

"You talk about God's will, but don't understand His will. If you understood His will, you wouldn't judge shamelessly all of the time"


In regards to Kurt never claiming 100 successful mortgages ...well... he sure as hell didn't stop his marketing and sales arms from doing so, did he?

So, should Farrel and the gang at CCR be left to twist in the breeze and not the principles?

How about you, Byron? What was your marketing message? You sure had one, now didn't you?

WillToFight said...

You just prove your Ignorance Neodomenes:

"truth and reality being subjective"

Wrong. Truth is one of the few things that is NEVER subjective.
_____________
Neodomenes
You just really don't under what was meant by the blog.

WillToFight said...

Margie Kimberly

Great post!

As usual Fruity is Fruity!

neodemes said...

"Neodomenes
You just really don't under what was meant by the blog."

Sure I do. Its Kurt's personal CYA.

And you just lap it all up.

neodemes said...

Hey, perverted-mimic.

Why don't you grab yourself by the balls and post as yourself.

Oh, sorry, I forgot... you gave them to the duo. My bad.

"Kurt was sentenced to 5 years 8 months, but served 2.5 years and was paroled."

So what? He's still a convicted felon, looking to do more time, apparently.

neodemes said...

No response as to your marketing message, Byron.

Let me remind you. You charged $2800.00 to cancel a first lien, at least that was your offer to my forum members that you spammed.

Elsewhere in cyberspace you made even more blatant claims than the CCR 100 mortgages:

"You can cancel your mortgage ethically and legally by a proprietary process that has cancelled over 650 mortgages since Jan. 2004."

Don't recall? See for yourself.

Back up your claims, moogie, or stuff your self-rightous blather.

habakkuk said...

Fruity said....

"It is not me that is 100% right, it is God. I just choose to be on His side rather than trying to rationalize how He can be on my side.

His will matters, not ours. "

Hey fruit, dont skate around my question. You said "Christ is not in him (kurt)"....in other words he's an evil guy just trying to steal from innocent people. You don't have to remind me that G-d is 100% right...i already know that....i just want to know if the HS told YOU that kurt was evil and that "Christ was not in him"....Becasue if HE didnt, your just spouting your own self-righteous opinion instead of judging someone by the spirit of G-d.....and thats always a dangerous position to be in.

So again i ask you, did the HS give you this information?? Everyone on this blogg (including the HS) are waiting for your answer.

A LITTLE FRIENDLY ADVICE: If your not 100% sure that the HS gave you this discernment i wouldnt answer yet....Go back inot your prayer closet, ask G-d again, and then come back and answer when you know how to tell the difference between your flesh and the spirit....ok.

you will know them by their fruit said...

I can just hear God now welcoming a Doreanite into heaven.

"Well done my good and faithful servant, you really showed those banksters"

Doesn't sound right does it?

You will know them by their fruit.

His will matters, not Kurts or Doreans.

habakkuk said...

Fruit says...

"His will matters, not Kurts or Doreans. "

Yeah, i know that, thats obvious....but you still didn't answer my question. But maybe your still thinking it over before you answer....i'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

habakkuk said...

Fruit said...

I can just hear God now welcoming a Doreanite into heaven.

"Well done my good and faithful servant, you really showed those banksters"
___________________________________

Have you ever read the story in the Bible where Yeshua overturned the money changer's (banker's) tables and called them 'theives' and 'robbers'??....How is that any different than what kurt and scott are doing? Its the only time in scripture where Yeshua ever got physically violent...HE was pretty angry. I can imagine His disciples saying..."wow, what got into HIM today? He's ticked-off....I've never seen Him like this". He must have had a pretty good reason. He knew what his Father said when he told the prophets.."WOE, to him who gains wealth by fraud". He knew what made His Father angry, and so it made Him angry too...because He and the Father were ONE.

One pastor told me once: "whatever makes you angry (G-dly anger)is a clue to what your earthly assignment is" Of course Yeshua's assignment was way more than just setting the fraudulent money changers straight....but it was certainly one of the things.

Mother Theresa was so angry with poverty and sickness of children that she devoted her life to it.

Martin Luther King was so angry with racism and injustice that he commited his life to it...and died doing it.

Shall i go on? I could go on all night.

See Fruit, i think i know what your problem is (and yours TACO, NEO, and others)....NOTHING MAKES YOU ANGRY...and when you do get angry you are so misinformed that your anger is pointed in the wrong direction. Your attacking the guys who were trying to help you....and you ignore the guys who are using your ignorant slander to prove their fraudulent point.

Go back and look in your Bible.....find all the scriptures where G-d addresses this issue...You'll be suprised how many times scriptures you find.

habakkuk said...

One more point: Any earthly cause that has ever made a big impact always had a Heavenly (Biblical) root.

neodemes said...

You're right about the anger point, hab, at least as far as I'm concerned, regardless of how childish some of the cowardly posters become.

They are entirely one-sided. If someone speaks on an issue from a perspective that they don't share, they attempt to bully or ridicule the poster and scare them away.

Rarely do they have the fortitude to do so other than in total anonymity.

As much as I enjoy the banter back and forth with flecompte and mogel and pulling their chain, they are the only two I know of, other than myself, whose true identity is known. I have to give them due credit for that.

Regardless of what conclusions anyone posting has drawn about me, I am not pro-bank or pro-government.

I have disdain for any entity or individuals who prey on the misery of others in any manner for personal gain, and that includes modern medicine. Right or wrong, that is how I view the duo, and have seen enough empty promises from them over the past couple of years to sustain that belief.

That doesn't make me pro-ptb, whatever form they take.

Hey, a few years back, I was screwed over big time courtesy of S.C.O.R.E. and the SBA.

Long story short, a S.C.O.R.E. rep was sent to help our family business (now defunct), and the guy was so impressed he wanted to personally invest in a small percentage of the company. We let him in.

Next, he co-signed a 25K line of credit, with plans to help get a 100K business loan to upgrade our equipment. Sounded great!

Then this toad announces that he will be making all the financial and business decisions.

We said, "Get real...it ain't gonna happen that way." This clown bought the note for the line of credit and tried to use it as leverage. He was calling it in, in full, if he couldn't control the company.

All he got for his trouble was a big screw you. We went bankrupt and he ate $30,000.00, all told.

As it turned out, S.C.O.R.E. reps can have NO persoanl dealings with any business they work with for five years after the fact.

We SHOULD have had a good case against him, S.C.O.R.E. and the SBA, but not one lawyer would touch it.

Our credit was hosed. But, we made some life-style changes and stopped relying on credit for anything, including real estate.

There is never any over-extending, or living beyond our means.

Now you know more about me than you ever wanted to.

Whatever happens down the road, with Dorean, bank fraud, the end times and anything else under the sun is according to God's will and there is no point in getting angry about any of it.

Blessings all around.

you will know them by their fruit said...

Perfect example Hab, Jesus turning over those tables in the temple. Those moneychangers were using His name to scam people. And that made Jesus very angry. There were bankers ripping people off all over the land but they didn't stir God's wrath. It was those who defiled His name, His house that experienced His wrath.

Kurt has robbed people and has fashioned a god in his own image to do his bidding. Kurt using God to rob all these folks . . . I wouldn't want to be him.

Yes, you are right Hab . . . excellent example.

mogel said...

Fruit said: "There were bankers ripping people off all over the land but they didn't stir God's wrath."

Huh? Wrong again. Was this God's will given to you in revelation or something like that? How do you come to such a conclusion?

May I remind you "Thou Shalt Not Steal" is one of the 10 biggies that DOES stir the wrath of the Almighty. The scriptures also says that there are "7 things that the Lord hates" & "against are his wrath kindled" & one of them is a "lying tongue".

God created the whole earth. It is "all his house". All of it's his domain. To say, God only cares about what goes on in a specific place to warrant his anger is an outrageous & silly comment. You simply lied by your statement since it is not true.

Pharoah stole the labor of the Israelites & made them slaves & God sent 12 plagues in Egypt he was so angered by it. Bankers steal your labor in a more subtle way, but none the less, they steal from us. Whipping a few money changers & throwing over a few tables seems like child's play compared to acts of God's fury thrown down by Mother Nature.

By the way, you can't know God's will if you don't understand & study his holy words. God has spoken out against "usury" in the Bible. But maybe you never read those scriptures since you can't seem to get past the one scripture you quote all of the time that has no correlation or meaning to the Principles of this program.

The very nature of lending is usurious & is against God's will as outlined in the scriptures. So if someone comes along & wants to change things & challenges the moral correctness of things like Kurt, you instantly label him a sinner & a thief & a godless person, even though he is in line with God's thinking on many subjects. Don't speak of godly things if you can't back them up with the scriptures & rightfully apply them. I wouldn't want to be you, for you "call evil good," and "good evil." I wonder what the judgment is for that.

KYHOOYA said...

neodemes said...

EDITED by others TO CONDENCE

We SHOULD have had a good case against him, S.C.O.R.E. and the SBA, but not one lawyer would touch it.

Our credit was hosed. But, we made some life-style changes and stopped relying on credit for anything, including real estate.

There is never any over-extending, or living beyond our means.

Now you know more about me than you ever wanted to.

Whatever happens down the road, with Dorean, bank fraud, the end times and anything else under the sun is according to God's will and there is no point in getting angry about any of it.

Blessings all around.

8:57 PM

BY FAR THE BEST POST YOU HAVE EVER MADE HERE. I'LL THOUGH I DON'T AGREE WITH ALL OF WHAT YOU SAY OR SAY HERE i WILL AGREE THAT WE CAN ALL TAKE A LITTLE MORE TIME TO POST WITH MORE HELPFUL POSTONGS THAN JUST BAD MOUTH REMARKS THAT DO NO GOOD FOR ANYONE AND THA WE ARE ALL GUILTY OF AT ONE TIME.

YOU may think I'm here to do nothing but post against any naysayers of Kurt & Scott and that I will do so by way of... How did you say it?

"They are entirely one-sided. If someone speaks on an issue from a perspective that they don't share, they attempt to bully or ridicule the poster and scare them away.

Rarely do they have the fortitude to do so other than in total anonymity"

The truth be told is that I don't go after anyone just because they have a differant point of veiw than myself more so it has to do with what they have posted in responce or as fact, SOMETHING when LOOK at is not true and they have none to start with. Now when talking about Tcob247 I will say that I do take thing to the extreme but you have to see that he is full of B.S. and not one thing he has said so far has anything that is backing it if by chance he get's lucky and there is some truth to something he post it is just that luck and dumb luck at best.

I find it funny how when myself or others post a responce to one of the naysayers that instead of just coming up with why it is the way they say it is they have to side step the question and attack the person with there bad spelling or grammer when as bad as there writing may be the point is still relayed well enough to understand there meaning. I find this to be only the responce of a bully that has no good answer to back up what they have said. So is the case with Tcob247 along with the fact that he has not done one thing that he has said he would (leaving, pay, ect) and always twist what someone has said to fit his agenda rather than respound with something that has backing to it.another one of the great Teacher that abound in this forum.

S with that said you can expect a less !! responce in the future as long as the post is he same and that one is not posting b.s. just to post and side step the point someone is tring to make

work in numbers not as one and winning is not that hard to see but if you chose to works as one the fight is lost before it begins

q8^}>= Peace \/

son of a prophet said...

fruit of the vine said....



"Those moneychangers were using His name to scam people."




today also known as 'churches'

access to yeshua does not depend on going to a church or a pastor.


lazy ppl do this to ease their guilt about not studying the bible etc.

they think that they 'worship' yeshua by going to church. WRONG!

worship of yeshua is being out in the world everyday bearing witness by showing that one possesses the HS.

ppl want lazy chair witnessing...ie., they think that they witness to yeshua when they meet someone new and say "yeshua loves you" and be gone. takes a lot more than that.

here is HS wisdom...THERE IS NO WITNESSING TO YESHUA WITHOUT SUFFERING!

summing up a very easy example...if you walk up to me and punch me in the face, and i do not hit you back, i have just witnessed. when you ask me how i was able to not retaliate on you, then i bear witness by saying that the HS allowed me to do it.

just telling ppl to believe on yeshua does not get it done...ya know..."hey pal, just believe on yeshua, and now i have to go take my garbage out..."

or even throwing in some scripture does;nt do it...it bearing pain, what most ppl do not want to do, but this is the only form of witness other than if one has been given a spritual gift of healing...curing someones cancer will bear witness in a heartbeat...but due to the many scamsters on tv who 'cure' cancer, this has given this gift a bad name, so it may not be as effective as bearing pain...or like when someone cut off your car, instead of yelliing out the window at them, you just smile...there are many other examples of when you are wronged, but just 'take it' so to speak...this bears much more effective witness than just quoting scripture which most anyone can do....rememver, yeshua is aobut Suffering and more Suffering, and still more...


ALL CHRISTIAN WILL SUFFER LIKE YESHUA ON A CROSS BEFORE THEY DIE. ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

some may say that this is not true, but the HS has told me this.

those who may have appeared to have a good and easy life, will pay at the end when they get old and sick and rely on fraudultent 'modern medicine' which cannot cure a hangnail, much less a seriouw illness. exmaple: chemo for cancer. just when the body is extrememly toxic, throw in some more poison, like insecticide and kill all the cells good and bad; would you fumigate your whole house with insecticide to kill just one bug??

natural methods would work best...herbs, rife tech, homepathy, etc. or nothing at all...just prayer, if one has a high enuf level of faith and knows that yeshua will not allow you more (suffering) than you can handle, but it takes an extreme amount of faith that most do not have...just remevbering that you must go thru the suffering...either now or later but before one dies....must be purged like yeshua was...virtually no one understands this...they go to extremes to avoid suffering...take aspirin for a headache, etc...they dont know that thru suffering comes HS WISDOM...yes, i have obviously done my share of suffering, but have been given a hugh amount of HS wisdom for which i am grateful...as you can see, no you know speaks like this....HS wisdom gets the credit...

and those who have had an easy life will not wnat to give it up and will fight to stay alive...and brign on yeshuas adomonishment..."those who save their life shall lose it; those who lose it for my sake, will save it..."

habakkuk said...

Fruit said...

Kurt has robbed people and has fashioned a god in his own image to do his bidding. Kurt using God to rob all these folks . . . I wouldn't want to be him.
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So you DO think "Christ is not in him" and that he is evil... right? That was my original question to you and it sounds like thats what your saying... right??? (for the third time) Why are you so scared to answer that question directly? I know why, because the HS never gave you that discernment...Its just an opinion you formed out of your emotions because you're out $3000 or so and you think its all a part of kurt's scheme. And once again you fail to recognize who the thief is.

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Fruit said...

There were bankers ripping people off all over the land but they didn't stir God's wrath. It was those who defiled His name, His house that experienced His wrath.
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Thats true...but how do you explain all the other scriptures in the old testiment and new where G-d clearly says that unjust weights and measures (fraud) is an abomination to HIM....I guess that is totally insignificant...right?

And by the way, Yeshua called them 'Theives' and 'Robbers' so what important point do you think he was trying to make (in addition to them defiling His house)???

See, you cant just read the Bible, you gotta READ it.

WillToFight said...

Neodomes I'll bet you know more than this Brigham Young Unv. Proff.

Thermite Identified As Culprit Of WTC Collapse
Evidence mounting that cause first identified on Alex Jones Show led to towers' implosion

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | April 24 2006

A new branch of 9/11 research claims to have identified the cause of the collapse of the twin towers. The photographic and video evidence makes a very strong case for thermite being responsible for the unprecedented implosions of steel framed reinforced buildings on September 11.

This facet was first brought to light during a November 2005 appearance on The Alex Jones Show by Brigham Young University physicist Professor Steven Jones. Jones said that white phosphorous wasn't powerful enough to cause the implosion but that thermite was the likely culprit. Alex Jones's 2005 release Martial Law 9/11 Rise of the Police State highlighted the physical evidence that the towers and Building 7 were brought down with incendiary devices.

Brigham Young University physicist Professor Steven Jones told peers at a Utah meeting that, "while almost no fire, even one ignited by jet fuel, can cause structural steel to fail, the combination of thermite and sulfur "slices through steel like a hot knife through butter."

habakkuk said...

Seen the Trailer yet??

www.freedomtofascism.com


Habakkuk 2:6,7

6 But the time is coming when all their captives will taunt them, saying, `You thieves! At last justice has caught up with you! Now you will get what you deserve for your oppression and extortion!' 7 Suddenly, your debtors will rise up in anger. They will turn on you and take all you have, while you stand trembling and helpless

WillToFight said...

Yeap saw it.

Of course I own Loose Change 2nd edition.

Impecable facts. How could jet fuel end up 40 ft below the towers with registered temp. at 1100-2000 degs 4 weeks after the blds fell. That alone should raise every americans brow to the fact that we are/have been and will continue to be hoodwinked, bamboosled!

And the naysayer here worry about Kurt and Scott.

What idiots!

you will know them by their fruit said...

Wow!!

My mistake, I should have never taken the bait.

I'll leave Hab, Sop, Mogel and any of the other cult members to their own discussion.

I think this is where you guys left off . . . your god speaks to you through the microwave when you warm pizza for exactly 3 minutes and 14 seconds (must be pepperoni--NO EXCEPTIONS). You guys take it from there--have fun!

Oh yeah, we're all gonna die during the superbowl. Isn't that how it goes Sop?

2 Timothy 4:3,4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables.