Monday, April 24, 2006

The Work of Birth (4/08/06)

Part of the complaint here is that I just took money as a cheat. It is like I did no work and the public record is non-existent. You acknowledge the banks rebuttals but not my work. Even Stewart Gerstecker of Savenyson.com fame when cooperating with the FBI gave them documents that showed I worked. Wheat and tares look alike as seedling but show their true nature at maturity. How do you judge wisely when the question of my documents is not settled? I said long before I was arrested in a television interview that aired that the worst thing the government could do was bring criminal charges. I wasn’t talking about it being the worst thing for me but for them. They are trapped now to settle my claim verses the banks. The odds at worst are 50 / 50. I have already survived their 95% conviction rate which is the breaking of a man to accept a deal. I didn’t break and will not deal. Now we get to trial statistics which are much better for the government’s victim. I’ve moved all your claims to better conditions all the time. I wonder how many mothers in childbirth when the contractions begin adamantly say in response to the pain “I will not give birth?” As we try to give birth to truth in the mortgage industry and the pain arrives it seems strange to me how you fight the one thing that will stop the pain and bring enough joy to make you forget it. Just breathe, you’ll make it!

36 comments:

neModemes said...
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you will know them by their fruit said...

Wow!!

My mistake, I should have never taken the bait.

I'll leave Hab, Sop, Mogel and any of the other cult members to their own discussion.

I think this is where you guys left off . . . your god speaks to you through the microwave when you warm pizza for exactly 3 minutes and 14 seconds (must be pepperoni--NO EXCEPTIONS). You guys take it from there--have fun!

Oh yeah, we're all gonna die during the superbowl. Isn't that how it goes Sop?

2 Timothy 4:3,4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables.

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mogel said...

Fruit: How does 2 Timothy 4:3,4 apply to the Dorean Process SPECIFICALLY. You speak in general terms but never seem to make a valid point. What specific truth have we turned away from? What fable are you talking about? What specific sound doctrine is being denied & where is the proof of this that you have discovered or proof from the scriptures? What does the Superbowl or someone's opinion have to do with the blog's main discussion about the Dorean Group & their purpose?

When asked specific questions, you always evade or ignore them, why is that? Could it be because your arguments are not sound & your teachers that you listen to have their own selfish desires & agenda & you buy right into it yourself and your god of ignorance is misleading you?

papertiger said...

neo, is that you in that porno pic?

papertiger said...

"Check out my latest picture."

Oooo, Neo, sweety, it is you.

neodemes said...

No, that's just a prime example of the caliber of the anonymous, cowardly, and truly perverted among Dorean's followers.

Blessings all around.

Yetter said...

Deal.........or no deal.

you will know them by their fruit said...

A picture can tell a thousand words about doreanites.

You certanly will know them by their fruit.

Peanut Gallery said...

Hey everyone,

Lighten up on Neo. He laid it all out with one of the most honest post I have read in a long, long time.
We know he disagrees with the Dorean process, he is entitled to that opinion. All the name calling and slandering is counter productive. I have been guilty of it myself. I for one apologize for all the rudeness I have displayed on this blog, even to SOP.

habakkuk said...

I've given up on this blogg. I suddenly realize how useless it is to try and convince people who really dont want to hear the truth. But i know one day soon the truth will have its day.

G-d be with you Kurt and Scott...Thank you so much for everything. Me and my family will be praying until victory is complete.

G-d bless you all. See you on the other side of this thing. From here on out i will only be posting if i have a question concerning the process.

I'm Out:)

WillToFight said...

Fruity

The only response is that you don't deserve a response!

WillToFight said...

Mogel

My thoughts exactly. Just did not even want to entertain Fruity!

just-the-facts said...

FIGURES!!!This comment section has gone to trash. Keep up the good work Kurt and Scott.

son of a prophet said...

freedom fighter said....

"They are trapped now to settle my claim verses the banks. The odds at worst are 50 / 50."




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i think that this is a conservtive estimate and tht the odds are much beter thtn 50/50......

dgwondering said...

Kurt wrote: "How do you judge wisely when the question of my documents is not settled?"

Still in denial about all the civil trials, eh? Hehehehehe.

WillToFight said...

Living With War

Fake bin Laden tapes, terrorist bombings in Egypt desperate lunge by global architects to promote 'war on terror' hoax

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | April 25 2006

Events of the past few days have betrayed an effort on the part of the global architects to strike back in the propaganda war and re-invigorate ailing belief that the Bush administration is really fighting a war on terror.

Rats start leaving the sinking White House ship as McClellan deserts and prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald reportedly moves closer to an indictment of Karl Rove.

Counterpunch reports that journalists at a Columbia University event are worried that, "Bush, Rove and Cheney, if they thought they were going to lose the House in November and face serious investigations into their crimes and deceits, would do something treasonous, like launching a war against Iran, or perhaps allowing another major terrorist attack against a U.S. target, so that they could then clamp down further on domestic freedom and ramp up jingoistic support among their wavering base."

WillToFight said...

I'm glad I got rid of all my Dogwondering!

hockeydonn said...

Nemodemes,

Look, I find it hard to stomach neodemes as much as the next guy. However, by posting a pornopic as your rebuttal of him is much more disgusting than he.

I, and I am sure many others who would like to avoid such sleaze, would appreciate it if you would delete your post and refrain from posting that type of material again.

In this case, I MUST agree with neodemes when he says:
"That's just a prime example of the caliber of the anonymous, cowardly, and truly perverted among Dorean's followers."

I think this is meant to include anyone that supports Dorean in any way. I don't agree with that, but even among the righteous many find themselves, at times, unclean. We need not suppose that because we are good in one area that we are good in all and are above sin. We are in a fallen state and need to recognize our wrong doings, repent and partake of the forgiveness of the savior always.

You have shamed all of us on this blog whether we support Kurt and Scott or not.

Most importantly you have shamed yourself all women. Remember, there is no anonymity when it comes to the omnipotence of the savior. Repent.

neModemes said...
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hockeydonn said...
Nemodemes,

You have shamed all of us on this blog whether we support Kurt and Scott or not.

...And who appointed you the spokesperson for "all of us"? You might want to "check yourself", hockey-donkey.

against_the_odds said...

Kurt said...
As we try to give birth to truth in the mortgage industry and the pain arrives it seems strange to me how you fight the one thing that will stop the pain and bring enough joy to make you forget it. Just breathe, you’ll make it!

As a testimony to Kurt’s declaration, I haven't heard a peep from my mortgage company going on 3 months now. No letters, no calls, nothing. It's like they packed up and left town.

Stillwaiting said...

against all odds are you paying your mortgage?

Judge Roy Bean said...

Against_the_odds said: "As a testimony to Kurt’s declaration, I haven't heard a peep from my mortgage company going on 3 months now. No letters, no calls, nothing. It's like they packed up and left town."

I wouldn't trust them as far as you could throw them. They can and will act behind your back and depending on the state you live in, you may be in for a nasty surprise.

Most of the lenders directly involved are willing to wait until Judge Alsup rules on the criminal charges. You can bet (but this isn't legal advice) the lenders will act quickly and paint you as having unclean hands if and when Kurt and Scott are convicted and they decide to foreclose for non-payment.

This shouldn't be construed or believed to be legal advice, but anyone still "in" the program has to consider their options in the post-ruling world, which may be some months out. At least if you continue making mortgage payments, foreclosure is probably not a likely scenario for the time being.

If you don't keep up with the payments, the fees and expenses they can concoct and add will be a huge surprise when they do decide to come after you.

If you have significant equity and can afford an attorney, you need to act to protect yourself from them.

complainers suck said...

JRB, Care to comment on your role-model? Seems that your role-model was a con-artist in the history books. Any argument to support that you and he are not from the same blood-line?

Despite his self-serving antics, Roy was duly elected to the office in 1884 and often reelected, so that between 1882 and 1902, most of Roy's bizarre rulings were the law. Except for an occasional murder, his cases consisted mostly of misdemeanor counts of drunkenness and the crimes of smalltime con men like himself.

against_the_odds said...

Thanks for chiming in JRB, I kinda thought you would. You would think that if they wanted their monthly payments, they would have continued sending me statements huh??? Kind of like they forgot all about me, or didn't want to know me any longer, hmmm... I appreciate your concern, but not to worry, I'm ready for any action they make with a counter suite incompassing multiple TILA violations.

JRB said...
"Most of the lenders directly involved are willing to wait until Judge Alsup rules on the criminal charges. You can bet (but this isn't legal advice) the lenders will act quickly and paint you as having unclean hands if and when Kurt and Scott are convicted and they decide to foreclose for non-payment."

Ah, but first they are going to have to prove that they came to the table with clean hands.

JRB said...
"If you don't keep up with the payments, the fees and expenses they can concoct and add will be a huge surprise when they do decide to come after you."

Assuming they can get a judgment. I personally feel that they will either walk because the TILA violations are greater than the loan amount or if they think they have a fighting chance and pursue legal actions, they will end up having to compensate me for the TILA violations.

Lastly, your responses seem like bold ASSUMPTIONS that Kurt/Scott will be criminally charged and/or there will be no monitary damages claimed against the banks?!?

neodemes said...

honkeydonn said:

"I think this is meant to include anyone that supports Dorean in any way."

No, not at all. Only those individuals who have chosen to express themselves in a totally unnecessary vile manner.

Support of Dorean isn't the issue here.

Blessings ALL around.

against_the_odds said...

JRB said...
"Most of the lenders directly involved are willing to wait until Judge Alsup rules on the criminal charges."

How do you know this? Why wait if they are "in the right," "gave a valid loan," "have clean hands," and knew Kurt/Scott to be wrong?

That to me seems suspicious...

midwesttoo said...

JRB said....."if and when Kurt and Scott are convicted"

"IF..."---hmmm, ol Roy are you seeing things differently now??

mogel said...

JRB said: "Most of the lenders directly involved are willing to wait until Judge Alsup rules on the criminal charges."

What are the lenders going to wait for? Even in an unfavorable ruling against Dorean, the lenders aren't going to start foreclosing, once the verdict is in, if that is what you are suggesting. Those lenders that have started foreclosure due to clients putting the property in a Trust, which are only a handful, have already done so. Lenders don't want your homes back in most cases since it hurts them & affects their lending requirements. If you are making your payments even under protest, the lenders in most cases, are more than happy to take your money despite being in the process.

The lenders certainly won't wait in most cases if you don't make your monthly payments ontime. Most will start foreclosure after 90 days. The trial & a verdict will take much longer than 90 days if the case isn't dismissed soon as some expect.

mogel said...

DGWondering said: "Still in denial about all the civil trials, eh?"

What specifically was settled? Did the Courts have subject matter jurisdiction? Judge Alsup's ruling was based upon a lie anyway & his procedures in making his decision went against his ministerial responsibilities since he behaved badly for many reasons. Were ALL ISSUES SETTLED? Was the real issues of "agency by estoppel", legitimacy of the Dorean bond, even discussed? Was all of the 50 points of the affirmation of truth, the unrebutted affidavit that was filed under oath, even considered in Judge Alsup's fantasy ruling? Was the other paperwork like the legitimacy of the mortgages discharges for all clients even considered? Were all of these points of the process all shot down? Was the process ruled on as being bogus & if so, what is the basis for that decision? No, Judge Alsup made a ruling based upon other Court cases that were also based upon a lie. The Courts can't pretend that lenders loan out their own assets & use that as a basis to rule.

Just because you make a ruling that is unfavorable to one party doesn't settle all matters.

I think you are the one in denial.

Besides look at the OJ Simpson case. The Civil case outcome was different from the criminal case. What if the same scenario takes place, or what if there is an early dismissal?

mogel said...

Judge said: "They can and will act behind your back"

Without proper notice served upon the individual & without proper notice in the Courts? I doubt if the lender wants to put themselves in that precarious position. It's much safer for the lenderr to jump through the hoops of foreclosure. Which States are you suggesting that they foreclose without notice? Seems to me that would be a perfect reason to throw out the foreclosure & also get huge damages against the lender. Why would any lenders want to do that?

son of a prophet said...

From CIA operative/remote viewer Sean David Morton.....

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"One of my friends and subscribers said that you had some questions regarding a few things I saw while on a business trip to the Netherlands, and I just wanted to give you the straight scoop on what I experienced."

"In April of 2005 I went to Amsterdam for five days to finalize a financial deal that regarded paying a number of fees for a transport of capital from Africa, to Holland to some banks in Andorra. This deal is my private business and I shall not give any more details, but it was something that I had been working on for a number of years."

"I was taken via limo with my partner in the deal to some offices that were adjacent to a number of warehouses in a warehouse /business district that was near the Amsterdam airport.

Again, this was a private affair that demands some delicacy but part of the address was:

"Schipol, Clearing House, Schipol, The Netherlands"

The people were listed and licensed as "APPROVED DIPLOMATIC HANDLERS" and were a SECURITIES and FINANCE firm. We met with these men and went out to lunch, and had a quite pleasant and jovial conversation about politics, world finance and the future of the global markets. They knew me by reputation, and had actually heard me a number of times on the radio via the Internet. I guess I have quite a following in the Netherlands.

Later, we wanted to see the money that was being transported before any more business was to take place. Usually this is done via wire transfer and bank to bank deposit, but because of the high incidents of fraud in this particular part of the world where it came from, cash was the only thing that was trusted.

The two men we were dealing with took us to a high security warehouse and there was a section that contained a series of vaults. We entered one of the vaults, and they opened a case and they showed us the capital that was to be transported.

After this, one of the men who was friends with one of the warehouse guards, asked if they could enter another section of the warehouse, and he was agreeable, and said all right and we went to another very large section.

There, with the permission of the guards, they opened one large steamer sized case that was filled with the new "large face" Ben Franklin US $100 bills. They were under what appeared to be heavy glass or plastic with large circular metal bolts at the top.

I could only see the FACE SIDE of the FRONT of the bills under the glass. The bills had a RED TINGE or coloring on either side of the large FACE of Franklin.

The men said that there were approximately $60 BILLION worth of these "REDBACKS" (their words, not MINE) all printed and ready to go, in banking centers around the world and that they were to be used as part of a "Contingency plan" for a secondary foreign US currency, or USDs that could ONLY be used outside the United States.

I asked when they thought this would happen and they said that it would be later that year (2005) or the next. They were NOT SURE and were only guessing as to why they were there. They said the bills had only arrived a few weeks before, which of course had raised a great deal of curiosity in many of the financial markets.

Again, I ONLY SAW INSIDE ONE CASE. There were numerous similar cases, which I ASSUMED would be filled the same way, but that is ALL I DIRECTLY SAW.

We went back to the office and concluded our business.

I do not know why so many people are making such a gigantic fuss over this, but that is the story as it happened.

I feel that this information has now been vindicated, as only a few weeks ago, the brand new Hamilton $10 bill is now in circulation, and it HAS A RED TINGED DYE all around the face parts and back of the bill, only slightly lighter than the red dye I saw on the USD $100s.

My THEORY is that the US economy is about to go into free fall and enter a "printing press" economy, as I have predicted, and I feel that is happening NOW. A two-tiered currency, just as Japan did in the 1980s, would allow them to hyper-inflate the dollar here at home, and keep the dollar more stable, against the Euro, overseas.

Also, let's say they pass a law that says you can only use REDBACKS outside the USA, and that all other USDs will become FIAT in, say, 120 days. Most estimates put illegal USDs, both counterfeit and drug money outside the USA at about $100 billion. Can you imagine people with huge amounts of CASH going into banks to trade it in for NEW REDBACKS?

They would be photographed, fingerprinted, or possibly arrested. It means that this money would DRY UP, and just disappear, and VIOLA! The Fed Reserve Note suddenly becomes that much MORE valuable without another single piece of paper being printed.

Again, I am only trying to provide information to the world and my fellow man, and have no real vested interest in outcomes. So do with all of this what you will.

MAY MIGHTY ANGELS KEEP YOU NOW AND ALWAYS! May the silver chalice of the Holy Grail be placed within your heart to catch all the power, love and grace of the Infinite Radiant Creator!

Blessings!

Sean-David Morton

The Delphi Associates Web Page"

Morton's report may mean any number of things:

First, it could mean that the US has an "emergency plan" in place to impose two-tiered currency in the event of a real shock to the US economy. If we had a huge terrorist event within our borders, for example, global confidence in the US dollar as the reserve currency might be shaken to such an extent that a new currency outside the US (with different purchasing power) would be a useful policy tool.

Along the same lines, a massive collapse of the US economic system under its own weight might also be a cause for a two-tiered currency.

We also need to note that the currency system itself might come under attack from one or more rogue states seeking to destroy the US currency by simply printing it up wholesale. We've seen reports that North Korea, for one, may be engaging in large scale counterfeiting operations. This is particularly significant because the bills involved were $100 bills!

If a large-scale currency change is in the future, I'd bet that it will be against an inflationary background. That being said, there are several things the small investor/ just-regular-human can do. Accumulate a good home supply of food, put in your own garden, that sort of thing, so that you'll be able to restraint price increases at the grocery store by supplementing higher priced food with previously purchased or home grown.

hockeydonn said...

Thanks for deleting the post Nemo.