Wednesday, May 10, 2006

The Bankers Handbook (4/23/06)

A Dow Jones-Irwin book by W.H. Baughn and C.E. Walker 1966 library of Congress catalog card # 66-11814 is a book designed to help bank and bankers function. I thought the first paragraph in the preface says it all.

“The banking industry occupies the key position in a financial system that supplies the credit needed for the complex American economy. Working within the constraints established by the monetary authorities, commercial banking – through its many credit decisions – creates the deposits that act as the effective money supply for carrying on business activity.”

Translation

The Federal Reserve PRIVATE banking industry has placed itself at the key or center position of a debt based financial system that supplies the credit (vapor money) needed to float the complex duped American’s economy. Working within the constraints established by ourselves – commercial banking – through its private credit decisions or agenda – creates the fiat currency credit debt deposits that act (as in fiction) as the effective money supply for maintaining consumer confidence.

Added for this article: We will use this cheap money to buy even cheaper men of authority to attack any voice of truth.

Ladies and Gentlemen is this not the great America we intend to pass on to our children? May God intervene and bless our nation and humble these who intend evil for us!

33 comments:

WillToFight said...

Neodomes or JustASS certainly agrees with this one

Kurt said...


"The Federal Reserve PRIVATE banking industry has placed itself at the key or center position of a debt based financial system that supplies the credit (vapor money) needed to float the complex duped American’s economy. Working within the constraints established by ourselves – commercial banking – through its private credit decisions or agenda – creates the fiat currency credit debt deposits that act (as in fiction) as the effective money supply for maintaining consumer confidence."

WillToFight said...

Neodomenes or JustAss certainly don't care here!

Kurt Said

"Ladies and Gentlemen is this not the great America we intend to pass on to our children? May God intervene and bless our nation and humble these who intend evil for us!"

Yetter said...

Personally I juat shake my head in disgust and grieve over what I see coming our way.The nation is fast asleep and wisdom has deserted its leaders. The few statesmen that remain are like voices in the wilderness.Only men and women with faith and determination could turn this around. Neo and selective justice are to entrenched into the current system to agee with any thing else which is why I passed along my professing to be wise quote. Its one thing to to disagree with with the process but its entirely different to bad mouth someones faith.You are dealing with somthing as big as the universe and we are incompetent to judge. I'm proud as heck that someone has enough faith to stand up for all.

you will know them by their fruit said...

Kurt, I too found a handbook.

A book for Christians. It's called the Bible.

It also has comments on money. Here's one . . .

MT 22:21

Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."

you will know them by their fruit said...

Mogel said.

"I hate to inform you, but the Bible is not 100% correct even though it is inspired. There are mistakes of men there. It's not God's doing though, it's man's doing due to the mistakes. A modern day prophet did try to clarify some of the glaring mistakes & precious things taken out of the Book by evil men, but that's another story far ahead of your intellect. Just return to your obsessive/compulsive ways."

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I don't really have a comment. I just wanted everybody to see Mogel's words. Be like the Bereans and examine their fruit for yourselves.

neodemes said...

"May God intervene and bless our nation and humble these who intend evil for us!"

Amen.

imbigo said...

P.S. GOD BLESS YOU MOGEL AND THANKS FOR ALL YOUR POST I DONT KNOW WHO YOU ARE BY YOUR POST NAME, BUT KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK I'M SURE WE.VE MET AND WE'LL MEET AGAIN!!!

ZUP EVERYBODY!!!

BIG"O" 1+1+1=1

SEE YOU AT THE TOP!!!!

KEEP THE FAITH!!!

THE RACE IS NOT GIVEN TO THE SWIFT NOR THE BATTLE TO THE STRONG BUT TO THEM THAT ENDURES TO THE END...

THATS BIBLE.

9:05 AM

Mogel said.

"I hate to inform you, but the Bible is not 100% correct even though it is inspired. There are mistakes of men there. It's not God's doing though, it's man's doing due to the mistakes. A modern day prophet did try to clarify some of the glaring mistakes & precious things taken out of the Book by evil men, but that's another story far ahead of your intellect. Just return to your obsessive/compulsive ways."

P.S. I do disagree with this statement though Mogel, but the LOVE is still there, GOD Bless you my friend.

BIG"O" 1+1+1=1

mogel said...

Fruit: When Christ answered the question & gave this answer, Then "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's", Jesus knew it was a loaded question. He knew he was being set up, just like he was set up when he was asked if the prostitute should be stoned according to the law of Moses. What did he say, did he give a direct answer too? No he did not. He said, "Let he who is perfect cast the first stone." Again, he didn't directly answer knowing that you never win or get respect when you answer a loaded question. You can't play lawyer against Jesus & trip him up, nor can you deduce the direct conclusions you are drawing & say it is of God.

If Jesus said directly & plainly, yes, it is lawful & right to pay taxes to Caesar, he would have induced the wrath of the Jews. Had he have spoken directly & said, no, don't pay taxes to Caesar becasue he is an unrighteous ruler, & the tax is only serving the selfish needs of the few, he would have invoked the wrath of the Roman hierarchy & would have surely been put to death before his time.

So you see, Jesus gave the only answer he could do, an ambiguous answer if you will, offending no one & even being politically correct, as it were.

That scripture you quoted still doesn't answer any question. His response is very similiar to: "Thou shalt not steal." That's about all you can say about making any certain conclusions to that scripture. That scripture doesn't justify an unrighteous government, nor does it justify the correctness of paying an unfair tax.

Why don't you for once challenge what you have been brainwashed to believe by ministers that are also uninformed.

mogel said...

Fruit: Do bankers steal when they alter your promissory note & convert your promise to pay into an asset that they use for unjust enrichment? Is that "rendering unto borrowers, that which is borrowers?" Are lenders following the spirit of the Bible? If you think they are, then, you understand nothing. Jesus called them, the moneychangers (lenders) a "den of thieves". They were not called that simply because they were making a mockery of his temple. They were in essence stealing & that's what thieves do.

According to Bible principles: Is it morally wrong to COUNTERFEIT money at no cost to you (what bankers do)? Is that why God has always been big on "just weights & measurements" & why he has always commanded this throughout time?

Is it morally wrong to con people into owing a debt that really doesn't exist?

Is it morally wrong to steal from people when you didn't take a financial risk by providing any financial consideration in the loan transaction & expect monthly payments on a bogus transaction?

If you can't answer all of these question intelligently, you are always going to be lost on this issue & won't recognize the good guys from the bad guys.

WillToFight said...

Midwesttoo

Ameriquest Settlement May Be Near.
Ameriquest Mortgage Co. may settle charges brought on by 33 states and clear a path for the company's billionaire founder to take a job with the U.S. State Department.

WHY ON EARTH WOULD THIS BE A GOOD IDEA
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It's the same old game Midwestto. They get in to goverment to change the law to protect which ever industry they come from! The insurance co's have been doing it for years.

This is something we must stay on top of.

WillToFight said...

Mogel said...

"Fruit: Do bankers steal when they alter your promissory note & convert your promise to pay into an asset that they use for unjust enrichment? Is that "rendering unto borrowers, that which is borrowers?" Are lenders following the spirit of the Bible? If you think they are, then, you understand nothing. Jesus called them, the moneychangers (lenders) a "den of thieves". They were not called that simply because they were making a mockery of his temple. They were in essence stealing & that's what thieves do."

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Mogel, I just wonder why Oh why is what you said soooo hard for these naysayers to understand?

And what's really wacky is that they (naysayers) would rather we just shut up and not ask the hard questions.

They seem not to realize that they are actually voting against theey and their familys' own interest.

MidWestTo Posted:

"Ameriquest Settlement May Be Near.
Ameriquest Mortgage Co. may settle charges brought on by 33 states and clear a path for the company's billionaire founder to take a job with the U.S. State Department."

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Here is a clear scandel about to take place. A billionaire gets on with the state department and attempts and will be successful in lobbing to change more banking law in favor of his Company.

Where will FRUITCAKE or NEODOMENES AND Justass be as this takes place.

It will happen, and they will say, Give unto Ceasar what is Ceasars'.

I say, I ain't given him Sh3t. Your going to have to take it. Certainly not without a fight!

Where is your honor people? Where is your dignity Neodomenes? Have you studied the word Justice, Justass?

FRUIT your just twisted or rotten or both!

WillToFight said...

Mogel said...

"According to Bible principles: Is it morally wrong to COUNTERFEIT money at no cost to you (what bankers do)? Is that why God has always been big on "just weights & measurements" & why he has always commanded this throughout time?"
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You see Mogel. Your getting too deep for the naysayers. They do not understand the words "Just weights & measurments"!

Who is out there trying to change what an "inch" equals? How about a pound. We've all agreed that a pound is a pound, you know 16 oouces!

Money is suppose to be treated the same way! If not then all chaos will break loose. You have billionare men or women attempting to get more and more and can not be satisfied with raping the unsuspecting public of the scandel they are committing!

Mogel they are trapped! The program that encapsulates them is too strong of a habit for them to break away from! Justass really believes he/she is getting a "Just" reward?
(I don't think so, he/she spends too much time here!)

Neodomenes has a web site that espouses "Learn how to buy realestate cheap" yeah at someone elses expense (foreclosure) or tax sell!

Shameful Neodomes (acutally sometime I spell your handle correctly) it really is spelled Neodomenes. Check it out.

It is shamefull to see many of the people of this what could be a great country, wallow in ignorance, fear and just an overall complacancy tha t will allow them to be taken on a national destruction, but selfishly thinking, "I will get mine!" who cares about anyone else.

Not realizing that When they came for Christians, you were not Christian. When they came for Jews, you where not jews. When they came for you, there was no one left!

habakkuk said...

Fruit said...

It also has comments on money. Here's one . . .

MT 22:21

Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."
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There he goes again....spouting off scripture in ignorance.

habakkuk said...

For you Fruit:

Matt 17:24-27

24And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute (taxes)?

25He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus PREVENTED him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?

26Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.

27Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.
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Jesus was so cool here...He knew how to pick His battles...He had perfect timing. Notice the Bible says "Jesus PREVENTED him (Peter)" after peter opened his big mouth (like he always did). You would think they wouldnt have to remind Jesus (G-d) to pay taxes...right....Why do u think they did? BECAUSE HE PROBABLY HAD NO INTENTIONS OF PAYING IT....HELLO!!!

Another thing, i think they way dorean handled the ellimination process in the beginning was right...they offered the banks a bond so as not to be confrontational (we all know what the greedy banks response was). I think it was done in the spirit of how the Lord would handle it..."so as not to offend them".

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Tiger44 said...

I'm sorry all, but I can get these lessons on Sunday.

Can someone please provide any DETAILS on what came about on Tuesday!!

habakkuk said...

hey tiger,

what about mon thru sat?.....that might help u understand why its so relavent to our discussion.

habakkuk said...

thats not a slap in the face...just a very important point

Tiger44 said...

Point made.

How about anyone else who wants to comment on my comment to hold off and provide details of what is happening related to the process?

Just tired of reading comments on peoples comments and then comments on those comments and then how unethical you are as a person. We never get to the meat of the subject.

WillToFight said...

Justass or Neo, would answer that they have nothing to hide!


NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls

Leslie Cauley, USA TODAY | May 11 2006

The National Security Agency has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth, people with direct knowledge of the arrangement told USA TODAY.

The NSA program reaches into homes and businesses across the nation by amassing information about the calls of ordinary Americans — most of whom aren't suspected of any crime. This program does not involve the NSA listening to or recording conversations. But the spy agency is using the data to analyze calling patterns in an effort to detect terrorist activity, sources said in separate interviews.

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS: The NSA record collection program

"It's the largest database ever assembled in the world," said one person, who, like the others who agreed to talk about the NSA's activities, declined to be identified by name or affiliation. The agency's goal is "to create a database of every call ever made" within the nation's borders, this person added.

For the customers of these companies, it means that the government has detailed records of calls they made — across town or across the country — to family members, co-workers, business contacts and others.

The three telecommunications companies are working under contract with the NSA, which launched the program in 2001 shortly after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the sources said. The program is aimed at identifying and tracking suspected terrorists, they said.

The sources would talk only under a guarantee of anonymity because the NSA program is secret.

Air Force Gen. Michael Hayden, nominated Monday by President Bush to become the director of the CIA, headed the NSA from March 1999 to April 2005. In that post, Hayden would have overseen the agency's domestic call-tracking program. Hayden declined to comment about the program.

The NSA's domestic program, as described by sources, is far more expansive than what the White House has acknowledged. Last year, Bush said he had authorized the NSA to eavesdrop — without warrants — on international calls and international e-mails of people suspected of having links to terrorists when one party to the communication is in the USA. Warrants have also not been used in the NSA's efforts to create a national call database.

you will know them by their fruit said...

Mogel,

You might want to leave your ramblings for the easily mislead. You are wasting your time on those who have the ability to evaluate fruit according to His will.

You miss the message of the Bible just so you can twist a few scriptures here and there to pull off your "eveils of banking" scam.

His will. Not yours.

It is funny how you make yourself out to be some guy taking on the evils of the banking system when you actually made money off of this scam. Those that followed you and Kurt are the ones who lost money, homes, etc.

Nice sacrifice. Very scriptural.

provb1022 said...

Mogel said.

"I hate to inform you, but the Bible is not 100% correct even though it is inspired. There are mistakes of men there. It's not God's doing though, it's man's doing due to the mistakes. A modern day prophet did try to clarify some of the glaring mistakes & precious things taken out of the Book by evil men, but that's another story far ahead of your intellect. Just return to your obsessive/compulsive ways."

P.S. I do disagree with this statement though Mogel, but the LOVE is still there, GOD Bless you my friend.

P.S.S I also disagree with this statement though Mogel, but the LOVE is still there, GOD Bless you my friend. I have enjoyed your well thought out comments.

PSSSS. Fruit, Didn't know you were a fruit inspector. Thats a tough job. How long in the business??

PSSS. Mogel how do you justify saying that "HS trumps the Word." Can't agree with that either and does not come under "well thought out" for me.

son of a prophet said...

YESHUA said.....


"...render to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God, what is God's..."

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i have done much study/meditation on this verse, and I am so far unable to reach a conclusion on its meaining.


two serious consideratons so far;

either...


a) the second half of the verse...

" and render to God, what is God's..."

could be interpreted as meanoing, render NOTHING to Caesar, as EVERYTHING in the univerese is Gods.....


or....


b) as this is satans kingdom, and caesar is a ruler in satans kingdom and caesars head is on the coin, give caesar his due and pay what caeasar requests (tribute)


yeshua did say...."give honor to whom honor is due; fear to whom fear is due; respect to whom resprect is due; tribute to whom tribute is due; etc to whom etc. is due...."



meaning that as this is satans kingdom, yeshua has nothing to due with it except protectign the souls of His for His coming kingdom.


again, this would be an exmaple of if/when the HS want me to know EXACTLY what this verse means, then He will let me know. untill then.....i will just have to wait.


i already know what everyones elses interpretaions of this verses are. i have heard their explanations justfying wht they believe it means. howevery, i am waiting for the HS interpretaion..when it comes.

pasak said...

Mogel said.

"I hate to inform you, but the Bible is not 100% correct even though it is inspired. There are mistakes of men there. It's not God's doing though, it's man's doing due to the mistakes. A modern day prophet did try to clarify some of the glaring mistakes & precious things taken out of the Book by evil men, but that's another story far ahead of your intellect. Just return to your obsessive/compulsive ways."


I agree, The bible is the word of god as far as it is translated correctly.

son of a prophet said...

and there will be less and less correct translations as time goes on.

it will either be the HS interpretation or -0- nothing, nada. no interpretsaion.

this is PRECISELY why christians ARE NOT under the law any more.

the law is writtne on their hearts. they dont technically need a bible to obey the cmmandments. and for when they do violate the cmdts., they are covered by yeshuas shed blood.

this is why i had previously said that christians are not under the law but under grace.....but the time is shortly coming when.....THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM...the law will be kept zealously.

example:

murder? what is murder? does the law prohibit this? a christian says...yes, it is prohibited by yeshua. i never saw it in the bible as i have never read the bible, but i just know that there is somehting wrong with murdering someone.

this is the sort of thingking that goes on in a christians head.

he does not need to see the law in writing. someting thells him (HS) that sometihing is contrary to yeshua teachings without ever seeing a bible. its taht litte 'voice' inside his head taht says that soemthing is wrong. wha t msot dont know is that the 'little voice' is the HS speaking to them.

newgurl said...

gotlight said... You only give certain pages of the Trust documents and only certain portions of the page.

thanks, do you have a account already gotlight?

against_the_odds said...

newgurl, I do. It is recommended that you go to smaller, local community banks as they are more willing to work with you than the larger banks. Dr. Fred can give you additional help.

habakkuk said...

against the odds,

I had a thought....Is it wise to deposit a large sum of money ($100k +) into a single bank account? Are there tax consequences? Are there any financial gurus out there?

son of a prophet said...

this was shown to me in one of the many forums that i go in, im sure mogle knows, as i have previously seen his writngs in some of them, perhaps anonymously and i remeber moogle from the crown innvestments fiasco. a legit opp raided by the sec mafia. cost good ppl probalby more money than will ever be known.

anyway, i foudn this 'global pension plan. www.globalpensionplan.net

wonder what the mog thinks about it?

here is some of it....
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The Plan

The program we offer for prospective members includes a few exceptional features when compared to any other so called income programs or opportunities.

First of all, we have all the financial resources needed to launch and run an operation this size. Secondly, we have the experience to organize and run an operation with a memberbase of 100,000 at minimum.

We also have extensive contacts in the financial world dating back decades. And last but not least, one of the most important factors in any business with online context is the capable and reliable IT-partner, which we have had from the very beginning of the project working with us turning our vision into reality and making our goals more easily achievable.

Below is a straightforward information of our program called Global Pension Plan. Presentation of this information is not intended to be, nor is it to be construed as, an offer to sell securities, anything pertaining to a security offering, or a solicitation of any offer concerning the information described.

Global Pension Plan is nothing more complicated than a simple pension insurance. However, the program we have established makes it possible for our members to receive the financial benefits in a few months compared to years or decades in case of normal pension insurance. It also removes all the other negative details of the normal pension insurance savings and turns it into a tempting opportunity.

Normally, according to the policy, once the holder of the pension insurance turns 65 or 70, the insurance matures and the benefits will be paid out. This means waiting of years, even decades before benefiting from the financial sacrifices person have made out of the salary months after months, years after years for even 45 years. Also a less favourable point of the normal pension insurance savings is that the later you enter the policy, the more you are required to pay premiums to gain at least reasonable benefits when the policy matures.

Based on our extensive experience and vast contacts in financial world during the last few decades, we have succeeded in establishing a very unique plan around the basic idea of pension insurance with a reputable partner. By becoming a member of Global Pension Plan, You will get the pension insurance for a minimal flat rate of $35 . The fee includes all the expenses (processing, handling, anonymous debit card, shipping etc.) involved into Your Global Pension Plan membership and you will not be asked to pay any additional fees or expenses to receive the Compensation and the Loyalty Program Rewards.

The next step towards the completion of our business plan is that our organization pledge the pension insurance contract of yours for 60% of the face value of $200,000 giving a liquid assets of $120,000 to proceed further (please see the accurate calculations below). Out of this amount will be paid the single premium payment of member's insurance policy, worth $41,000 (the anticipated average premium of 34 years old person).

(Mortgaging the pension insurance contract is similar to property mortgaging when using the property itself as a collateral. The policy is a legally binding agreement given by a reputable insurance company.)

The most tempting item of expenditure from the member's aspect is the one-time Compensation of $55,000 paid out few months after the sign up and the closure of the program from new sign ups. On the very same date of the Compensation payout the Loyalty Program Rewards will also be processed and paid out (please see more details below).

On the very date the insured individual turns 67 and thus the policy matures, the insurance is paid in full for the Trust Partner. At this time the insured individual is not going to receive benefits anymore as he or she has already received the Compensation of $55,000, so there is no need to reflect on the program since you have received the funds.

Calculations:
Pension insurance maturity value 200,000
The percentage of the mortgage 60%
Liquid cash available after the mortgage 120,000
Policy premium 41,000
Compensation 55,000
Loyalty Program Rewards – $2,000 per level X12 levels 24,000
TOTAL 120,000

Loyalty Program
For the active members, who want to bring new members into the Global Pension Plan, we have developed the Loyalty Program which offers tempting rewards, called Loyalty Program Rewards. Even a person older than 66 years, who doesn't qualify for the $55,000 Compensation, may sign up the Loyalty Program and earn the Rewards!

Each new member signing up to your downline down to 12th level, either brought into the program by you or by one of the members in you downline, will earn you $2,000.

You may place as many new members into your first level as you like. We don't want to limit your enthusiams to work for yourself or us. We will also offer you all the support you need while expanding the memberbase of your downline.

As a participant in the Global Pension Plan's Loyalty Program you agree to share your member ID with the new member. You don't have to reveal any other information if you don't want to.

Although we doubt this will ever happen, we want to be clear that any harassment of a non-member person by a Global Pension Plan member will result in the forfeiture of all accrued Loyalty Program Rewards from the whole downline of that member. In addition, that member will be disqualified from future participation in the Loyalty Program. We are extremely strict here to prevent gaining a bad reputation and further problems. In the case of a complaint, both parties will naturally be heard by us to be able to make fair decision before any further actions.

Case study
Let's imagine the following simplified scenario, that by accident you happen to know two persons you want to share this program with and you think would need or want a little more money. You show them our site and they both decide to sign up after they have done their own due diligence. They are as lucky as you are and know two persons as well who they think might be interested in our program.

They share the business plan with them and these two persons decide to sign up as well. Same simple chart continues, it's spread by members who are in your organization. When your organization has grown to the 8th level (out of 12 levels), there are 510 members altogether in your downline and you have earned a reasonable $1,020,000 for your efforts. Plus the $55,000 Compensation of course! And remember, there are still 4 more levels available to expand your downline! Nothing stops your downline growing from here on!

How this can be done? Just by sharing the program with two of your friends and ask them to do the same!

against_the_odds said...

Hab, I will answer your question with a question. If you take out a loan today, do you have to pay taxes on that loan?

Stillwaiting said...

kurt as opposed to getting all of the common folks together why don't you get all of the people like you together and fight this. I am sure there has to be another Kurt or Scott out there that wants to take on the system. Find them they are there waiting for your call. Then you and everyone else can discuss banking and all of it's issues instead of religion. See you soon........

habakkuk said...

against the odds,

No. You don't pay taxes on a loan. But is the settlement a loan?

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