Friday, June 16, 2006

What can a man do

Born a man child a new world before me
Not yet to know good or bad, friend or foe
Morals, ethics, character still seeds to plant
For time to watch them wither or grow.
Now as a man I put away childish things
Even if they are dressed in pomp and circumstance
Truth makes me stand rigid against my pears
Perhaps my appearing in this generation is not by chance
How is it that force makes right
How is it darkness became light
How is it that blindness is sight
How is it promise become blight
Where are all the men born to this generation
They are boughs snapped off the family tree
Disconnected from the deep roots of wisdom
Destined for the hot fires of stupidity
Tell me has nature taught you to be unnatural
For who has seen such a thing as children birthing parents
What can you leave a legacy that is richer than you
For you sold yourselves cheap, for mere trinkets.
Where is all your common sense
Where is an opinion worth more than two cents
Where is your folly’s recompense
Where is your honorable defense
Getting old is starting in my bones
For the marrow recalls the ages
Where truth as changeless as God’s word
Has been repeated by countless sages
Will this world crush a titan’s will
Or justify the martyr of another believer
The victory rest with God and faith
And His plan’s for man’s deceiver
What can man do to me?

47 comments:

rollerhockey said...

My prayers are with you every day Kurt and Scott.....win the fight for all of us...God Bless

habakkuk said...

For the LORD loves justice,
and he will never abandon the godly.
He will keep them safe forever,
but the children of the wicked will perish.

29
The godly will inherit the land
and will live there forever.

30
The godly offer good counsel;
they know what is right from wrong.

31
They fill their hearts with God's law,
so they will never slip from his path.

32
Those who are evil spy on the godly,
waiting for an excuse to kill them.

33
But the LORD will not let the wicked succeed
OR LET THE GODLY BE CONDEMNED WHEN THEY ARE BROUGHT BEFORE THE JUDGE.

34
Don't be impatient for the LORD to act!
Travel steadily along his path.
He will honor you, giving you the land.
You will see the wicked destroyed.

35
I myself have seen it happen--
proud and evil people thriving like mighty trees.

36
But when I looked again, they were gone!
Though I searched for them, I could not find them!

37
Look at those who are honest and good,
for a wonderful future lies before those who love peace.

38
But the wicked will be destroyed;
they have no future.

39
The LORD saves the godly;
he is their fortress in times of trouble.

40
The LORD helps them,
rescuing them from the wicked.
He saves them,
and they find shelter in him.

(Psalms 37:28-40) Praise HIM people of G-d and you will see VICTORY!!!

habakkuk said...

25 About midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the other prisoners were listening to them. 26 Suddenly there was such a violent earthquake that the foundations of the prison were shaken. At once all the prison doors flew open, and everybody's chains came loose.

(Acts 16:25,26) Praise HIM people of G-d...we are not going to win just by our knowlege of the law or by our legal strategies...We will win as we pray and sing a song to the Lord!! G-d is moved by praise...thats what gets his attention.

Kurt and Scott, if you are reading this, continue to sing praises to the Lord.

neodemes said...

"Truth makes me stand rigid against my pears"

Sounds painful.

When live hands you pears make...
no, wait. That's not it.

Nevermind.

Justice7777777 said...

Banks in American stink,

I'll put my scammin dollars in Latvia I think!

neodemes said...

oops.

life

papertiger said...

"Truth makes me stand rigid against my pears"

PEERS, not PEARS.

Justice7777777 said...

Trying to get god

to bless my fraud.

My words are hollow

still suckers follow.

DVD's 85$ a pop

Imbigo will scam you to the top.

Bitching about my strife

Looking at 30 years to life!

mogel said...

Banks in America took my labor, and money that I had worked,

So Latvia was the answer I said, and immediately I did not shirk,

I put the money there knowing it would be safe from the thieves,

I said to myself, "Oh what a relief,"

I know God had blessed my work, for I know and feel it so, but people like Just an Ass, is just a jerk.

My words are sincere, you know, but the blind can't see,

So I just let whatever they say, just be

This may sound a bit queer, but when this is all over,

Even Just an Ass, you Too are invited to have a beer.

Still Naysayers, without a heart, still blame me which makes me just a little blue.

However, in the end, you will all see that I have been true.

Justice7777777 said...

Sad.

Better stick with the ALL CAPS Mogel.

neodemes said...

"Banks in America took my labor, and money that I had worked"

Welchers Creed

I DID read the loan agreement

I DID know the monthly payement.

I DID understand how much the total interest would amount to, if I wasn't proactive enough to pay down the principle early.

But then I started hearing about how the banks don't risk their assets, and I saw the perfect opportunity, with the help of a mortgage elimination company, to save a hundred thousand or three, for only 3K out of pocket.

And, refi with another evil bank, and pocket 25% of the new loan, never even intending to pay back a dime, but willing turn over the other 75% to the ME principals/brokers.

It's all good, because I can draw on the Word of God to justify myself and my actions.

If only it had worked, if only it had worked.

O - WAH - TA - GOO - SIAM

oksurewhynot said...

What can a man do?

He can put you in jail.

oksurewhynot said...

You have caused an unbelievable amount of sadness and God will not honor this mess.

You are in denial.

KYHOOYA said...

Say Neo when was the last time you read a real state bank loan agreement from front to back?

I think never by your comments about it. If you had you would no that there is no way to read it in the time you are given by the bank and the title co. and just try and say that you would like to take that home with you and read it. The broker will have a fit and so will the bank , of course they won’t show it they will just start adding more fees and the like to get you to reconsider doing so.


You keep bring up the refi on the dorean process and how that is what you pin your big “IT’S WRONG “ argument on . I will admit that it doesn’t sound good when you don’t have the understanding of the banks wrong doing. I will also say that there could have been a better way to go about get some retribution from them.

I have to ask you how is it that the bank’s take and change all these doc.’s behind your back instead of putting them with all the other discloser paper’s in that book you sign at closing ?
Wouldn’t you say that is something that is WRONG?

Now if that is wrong and we no it is I mean come on you have a witness to all the other paper you sign why in the world wouldn’t there be one on that paper? Oh there is and if they witness the signing of that paper and then it’s is changed after then don’t they have something to say about it?

If the bank takes that forged doc. and then is rewarded by doing so by makes money from it aren’t you entitled to that money because of the fraud that it was gained under ?

So when you say that the refi wasn’t right.
You might want to think about the fact that the bank made a ton of money by fraud and if I not mistaken the law say’s that if that is done the gain made by said fraud is not only your but you can recover damages.

You might want to do a search on that to see if I right. I'm not up to date on the detail's of this law but I'm sure about the base content.

The bank’s are wrong and underhanded in the way there are doing business. This show's in more than just this example that they are doing these thing in a way that is deceptive

(not showing and changing of witness signatures on the original loan papers) the State lic NOTERY that have to record all the people they do wittness.
I would think That has to have some importance don’t you? If not why have them be lic or do the witnessing in the first place. So by the bank going after the fact and changing the NOTE and other doc's that were witness they are in fact doing so with the intent to commit fraud and I believe your stand on that was ????

The refi was just one of very few way's that some recovery for the bank's wrong doing was recoverd. Not the best way to go about it maybe but with the scam intent you have said to be the case by dorean I don't think so.

Hey and on the title signing how about it

SEEN IT IN UTAH "title company man" and and maybe realastate lawyer.

you want to pipe up and tell me I'm wrong about this or that there are some people out there taht run there company's that way but noyt you right? How the title company is right there for the customer and that they would'nt mind if they want to take the doc' home read a few day then come back have something changed and the redrawn and re read to make sure there wasn't something along the wat that did'nt get change that was'nt soppost to Ect.... I mean the hole point is that the customer no's what there about to sign right?

The title company won't mind they will just charge ore money for there time the broker will have a proble with it but in the end will find the way to get over it by charging you double. care to comment on that? with the truth not just what everyonee would like the hole process to be. Like maybe UP FRONT WITH NO LIE'S OR TRICK'S

for everyone that you have that you can say there was no bullshit, I have ten that I can say have the hole fact of the matter there is so much wrong doing in this bank,loan,broker,title Co. they need to loss alot more than they are and that show's by the facty that they keep doing it even after caught and find.

someone said this .. If you fine the bank for there wrong doing's $1 mil. but they made $10 mil. than that's good business, why would they change? It would cost they more to place add's and market it. so way change anything in fact, would'nt it be stupid for them not to try and do more of it? It's all number's when they go down stop and make a change if there going up then keep doing more of it.


L8r d8^)~/\zzz\/

KYHOOYA said...

Justice7777777 said...
Banks in American stink,

I'll put my scammin dollars in Latvia I think!


YOU HAVE IT HALF RIGHT!

JUST LIKE THE GOOD LITTLE FOLLOWER YOU ARE YOU THINK THAT YOUR $$ SAFE.


You want to give something a try and see if your money is safe or the fact that Bank Of America isn't following what the gov. say when it comes to weathger you can have it or not if there is a cause for alarm and you want to get it out now.
try this go to your bank and ask them withdraw any thing from $5,000.00 on up and assuming you have that and more in there see what they say.

I bet the first thing from the teller will be that you have to oreder that amount 2-3 day before you want it because they don't have that much on hand .

then if your up for it push to the next level and get a mang. and say you would like that amount, them watch the side step and all the ??? back at you like ( Why do you need that much money ) like that is alot of money in the first place

It was about $10,000.00 to $15,000.00 in the past now it's been lowered to $5,000.00 you go try that and if your happy with the fact that youi can not get your money when you want during normal bank hour's good for you not me plus hey if you can't get your money out to say go buy that boat that you found but won't be there when you wait 2-3 day's or what ever it might be and why don't they pay %%% on that money there not giving you to use there getting the use of it

last why would a bank have a problem getting that amount of money it's nothing and again I say it's just fed NOTE's so what's the problem

after you do all that and see that I'm right if you wan't try saying this to the banker and then see what happens ( strat droping little hint's that you no about the order to have the HOME LAND SEC.DEPT informed about anyone that want's there money in any amout that is above that number say how about I get all my thing's from my safey dep. box and oder that money to go. see what happen's

they won't care if you say your going to take it all out and go to some other bank no they just might offer to help you tranfer it Ha! Ha! isn't that a joke

so keep up the support of the Bank's over here and all the fed's your no dought one yourself.

KYHOOYA said...
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KYHOOYA said...

HAVE YOU ALL LOOKED AROUND LATLY AND SEEN HOW MAY CAMERAS ARE OUT THERE ?//

Was'nt it just a few years ago that we heard on the news that they were going to try and put some up on spots around the contry were there were bad red light runners or thing's like that because they were so costly the chance that they would be used was not very high just a few places ... Right?

Right just a few street corrners and problem areas O.K. sure way not ... Shit take a good look around you because I don't no about were you live but here were I do it's like it a hollywood game show with all the cameras . I mean there on the freeway every mile or two there in the shoping centers, the school,s dressing room' street corner lets not for get the steet corners anh on every main road all the way through town.About 24 in all inmy little no crime city in Ca, that most move here to raise a fam. because of that fact.

It must be good business because if they cost that much ( and they do) then there a big amount of the city buget going to put them up buy them monitor them these are not those little b.s. cameras you find at the local Kmart noooo these are high teck and can focaus on a dime a mile away and tell you what year it was made. I'm not exaggerating that more like the other way around. hey play the new driving game and instead of finding the license plat , see if you can find how many cameras you see . I bet you might be supprised at the number and remember that's just the ones you can see there are lot's you don't. and if I did'nt say this already the fact is if you can see it it can see you + 10 % more easy like that back yard shot or inthe window shot ect....


l8r
Come back and tell how many just for kick as I said my house to down town in Ca, about #6-8 intersection from all directions # 24 and include the freeway and we get close to 100 easy .. post back your ##

the intersections have at least 4 cameras per so the total would be more like 24 from my house and 96 not including the freeway total more like close to 200 for the area in and around town

I guess there not that much money right or is it giving them waht they want and more to justify the cost. I no that on average ea. camera cost is 2000.00 -3,000.00 and then you have the main central board to run them of anywhere from 100,000.00 on up must be something about being on T.V. what do you think cause thats alot of money to catch a few red light runners around town and the not so offen O.J. in a Bronco on the freeway hey but that down south from me anyway.

something to think about when it comes to how much HOME LAND SEC. do you want and how much do we need to keep us protected I would say were just about at that line of going to much homeland patriot acting . level
they will go to far if let to do so .

KYHOOYA said...

Seen it in Utah said...
Pathetic excuses to try to justify breaking the law and scamming others. How is it, that even under your analysis, two wrongs make a right? How about turn the other cheek?


How about the bank can take it the short insead of the customer for there wrong doings.
The fact is that what there doing is wrong and against the law for most everyone out here so why sould they get anything weather it's two wrongs or not.
as I've said before the refi was what I see as a way to recover what is the home owner rightful due.

If the bank has taken your sign documents and after the close and out of your presents or without any discloser of doing so , they then change that paperwork and in doing so they have made it into something that they will gain from but will not compansate you for in anyway . Infact they will not give you anything but will then charge you two times + the start amout for the transacton.

Now tell me how it should not be that the bank should have to pay for there fraud and such as if they were any other one that did the same thing.
Tell me how they are doing the lawful thing , tell me that they are not getting a monetary gain from an act that involves lieing and hiding the full story about the deal and AGGREMENT AND NOTE.

Tell me how they are not breaking the law and that the law is not clear in this regard that if someone gains by there act of fraud It states that if anyone who enters a contract with the forethought and understanding that by there actions they intend to defraud the other party to the contract that witch would be conciderd a gain or value. That they could not have realise by any other means provided in or by the contract. That by there act of fraud they will not gain and any and all that has is turned over to the other parties to the contract.

Blah Blah and it go on to say something like lible fo up to 10 times the amount and all this is civil not considering the criminal act it self and the pent. that go with it .

so tell me hopw the fact that the only way that seem to be a way to have the banks pay for there profit that the owners is do and by all accounts should be paid for the fact that thebank dose not follow the law that were set up as for them to lend and bve paid for there servive not to DEFRAUD AND RAPE GAUGE THE PUBLIC WITH UNFARE BUSINESS ACTIVITY. all the money and them some should be taken fromthem and then some for what they do .

Tell me the big answer to this question
why is it that they don't tell anything about any of these act and hide it all .

when you can give a good correct answer to that ?? then you can speak of how TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT CRAP

Bottom line is that by there underhanded acts of fraud and nondiscloser are infact rewarded for it and that they keep from telling you because they get a gain of not only the money they are to lend but then the money they make from the same act done in multi. and then to keep up a good front they turn and charge you twice the amount to start with and if that is'nt enough profit the have made it even made the term's underwriting and the rest of the things that would be needed to get the loan so fucking easy or non excistant that I have seen someone out of work with no hope of any who without any need to state there income ,emploment ,banking or the rest get a loan in the same case the lender (bank) insisted that the wife of this guy who has had the same jobat the same company and make a good salary they said to remover here from the title and they only wanted the out of work guy sitting on the couch all day with no hope of empolyment in the near future to be on the loan by him self no wife and this loan closed.

SO TELL WHAT THE BANKS HAVE COMING AND YOU KNOW WAHT ALL THIS SAID AND FOR WAHT LIKE YOU DON'T NO THIS IS THE TRUTH IN THIS BAD DEAL AND ALL THE BANKING B.S.

YOU MUST HAVE JUST BEEN INLIGHTENED AND ARE SITTING THEREE WITH YOUR JAW ON THE FLOOR IN UTTER SHOCK FROM ALL OF THIS INFO AND YOUR GOING TO GETT OUT OF THE STINKING BUSINESS TODAY BECAUSE YOUR SO DISCUSTED BY IT AND THE NEW INFO THAT HAS JUST BEEN BROUGHT TO YOUR EYE'S


RIGHT COME ON TELL ME THAT THERE IS ANOTHER WAY TO ALL THIS PLEASE INLIGHTEN ME WITH THE FACT'S NOT MADE UP CRAP GIVE ME THE FACT'S AND SHUT ME UP THERE SEEN WHAT WHERE I DON'T NO WITCH WAY DID THEY GO GOERGE JUST TELL ME WITCH WAY DID THEY GO.


TELL ME THE TRUTH ABOUT IT ALL SEEN IT IN Utah I would love to learn something new so inlighten as to how the wrong of two is anywhere so bad as to how the banks and asso. have been doing for a loooong time now.

fact's please and referances if you have them as to your info

please don't just go away and say nothing back up what you say is so go of a business and hopw there hurt but what is as was something that was to expose them by all act
Scam is so easy to say in fact in this country that it is so easy that Judges even call it one and then later get to sit on the case and pass not only there op. but jugdment

Ya that seems fare sure it dose.

a great big bunch of hore shit and I hope each and everyone of you taht come on here in support of the system that is like this one is acting should get your chance to face the same kind of judge and get the same fare treatment as you up hole


Right or wrong the people of this country should not have there right'e be stompt on like the way this judges is doing in this case and in face it is a sad day to see

you no what no matter how you think all this should be or is right wrongthe facts are this if you take 20 people and put them in a room and give them something that they all have to think is exactly the same way before they can come out.

you no what there going to be there for a long time because the will never be all 20 who think the same one will see it a differant way so go tell me how that makes it right for this judge to sit this case with all he has said be fore hand to show that he could not fair in his act of residing over the way thing go and even with a jury that still a how lot of power


tell me go ahead I'll wait

Andrew Dice Clay said...

Justice7777777 said...
Sad.

Better stick with the ALL CAPS Mogel.

i'll give it a try.

Hickory Dickory Dock,

According to John Holmes in another thread,

Seen it in Utah sucks Cock...

WHOA!!!!!!

Little Miss Muffett,

Sad on a Tuffett,

Getting eaten by Justass,

The dumb bitch was on her Rag...

WHOA!!!

habakkuk said...

oksurewhynot said....

"You have caused an unbelievable amount of sadness and God will not honor this mess.

You are in denial. "

Yeah, thats what some of the naysaying children of israel said when Moses showed up as their deliverer. They thought it was all his fault that their workload was doubled by pharoh. That was probably the same group that died off in the wilderness because G-d could find no faith in them.

neodemes said...

Kurt is not Moses.

Kurt is not Jesus.

Kurt is KURT.

Rave on.

habakkuk said...

2 Timothy 3:16

16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It straightens us out and teaches us to do what is right.

___________________________________

You ever read that scripture before NEO? Go read it, you'd be suprised how relavant the Bible really is to a lot of different situations.

By the way, who ever said Kurt was Moses?..YOU SAID THAT, NOT ME. The only point i'm making is its amazing how some of you guys are mimicing what the faithless people said in the wilderness. You're a spitin image. Its like a mini Exodus story all over again. If thats the case, i'm on the right side:)

And another thing, G-d will use whoever he wants, whenever he wants to bring deliverence. Since all believers have the Holy Spirit, we have THE DELIVERER living inside of us....Yeshua said: "greater works will you do because i go to my Father". If HE didn't go, the Holy Spirit couldn't COME. We have what Moses, David, Abraham, Elijah only prophecied and dreamed about. We are living in a BETTER covenat.

No offense, but you gotta go back and read the scriptures dude. Theres a lot more good news in there than you think.

neodemes said...

I read scripture daily, my friend.

No, you didn't say Kurt was Moses, but if not intended as a parallel, what was intended?

habakkuk said...

Who needs a parallel or comparison with Moses when we got the real deal....Holy Spirit (which is the Spirit of Yeshua/G-d) living inside of us. It doesn't get any better than that..right.

Thank G-d for Moses but inside i got the ONE who created Moses. Wow!!... what a powerful concept....right. I got the one who gave the LAW to moses inside of me (so does Kurt). The spirit of wisdom and descernment, not a religious spirit that stoned the prophets and those sent by G-d.

I hate to tell u this dude but your words make you sound like you got a nasty religious spirit. You might need a major spiritual detox bro.

neodemes said...

It's funny, I never see a commentary from you on "Andrew Dice Clay" and the other nasty personna of the 'prosayers'

Why is that?

neodemes said...

correction: persona

habakkuk said...

Because Andrew Dice Clay is obviously clowning..... YOU have had a non-stop berage of slander pointing at Kurt and everyone else that supports him since this whole thing went down.

mogel said...

I just finished listening to the 3 CD's on the "MORTGAGE DEFENSE" produced by the Dorean Group. There's some awesome material there & material that I've never seen on any forum boards. For anyone that doubts that this process will succeed really needs to order them & listen to the 7 hours of instruction. You won't be disappointed.

diggs said...

mogel said...
I just finished listening to the 3 CD's on the "MORTGAGE DEFENSE" produced by the Dorean Group. There's some awesome material there & material that I've never seen on any forum boards. For anyone that doubts that this process will succeed really needs to order them & listen to the 7 hours of instruction. You won't be disappointed.


I've been trying to find out about them, but no one seems to point in the direction that i can obtain these DVD's.

neodemes said...

So, hab, filth targeting individuals with a dissenting opinion, in the guise of 'clowning' is A-OK in your book, then?

Are you that luke warm in your faith?

Slander? Nope. Facts.

They touted a PROVEN system.

IT WASN'T TRUE.

habakkuk said...

Neo....

I saw onc post from Dice Clay and i barely read it because i immediately knew it was ridiculous....I couldnt even tell u what he said. So why dont we discuss the hundreds of your posts that ignore the real facts about this whole matter.

Better yet, why dont we both just leave each other alone. I aint gonna win u to my side and neither are u. It ain't worth it. We just got to wait and see.

son of a prophet said...

...another prophet bites the dust....



looks like the guy who called the june 18 quake in portland is wrong.

now, according to hiself, he is now under severe judgment from god and is branded a 'false prophet'

why you cannot mix the OT and NT.

altho there will be those who have dreams and visions, they are not prophets in the strict sense of the term. and some who have dreams and visions will also be correct. this does still not make them a prophet.

so, according to himself, he shold now fold up his tent and quit being a preacher, but what chance you think that this will happen??

-0-

no chance. he will contine to preach to his congraegation, even after he adimits that he is a 'false prophet'

and they will keep listening to him becasue i guarentee you he will have some kind of excuse for missing the date.

anther reaseon christians are not under the law any longer. we are living in the NT. (and dont say that i am saying not to keep the commandments; i am talking about the law here, the penalty for not keeping the law and the feasts)

the law will be kept soon, (gospel of the kingdom) but by the reamining jews who are non believers and will still be here after the rapture of the saints.

will the next false prophet please sign in....

down but not out said...

The Gospel according to SOP is DOA.

What an ignorant fool

papa_dont_preach said...

SOP, that's why this crap should be kept out of here. If you feel so compelled to push this out to the world, email it to your family and friends.

You're making yourself look feeble and naive. Stand up, be a man and PHYSICALLY go do something about it.

There is certainly way more than enough on-point misinformation, speculation, and guessing being posted by the people in the know.

KYHOOYA said...

Neo said


They touted a PROVEN system.

IT WASN'T TRUE.

I will ask you again, it seems you miss it the first time round.

Please tell me why you think that it's o.k. that the banks commiting fruad by altering the doc.'s that were sign by you with the rest of them in front of a state lic notery as wittness.

Also tell me why they give no referance to this and in fact make every effort to hide it from you. How you find this to be on the side of good and prop. bus.

Can you tell me how you find it nessasary to keep proding that same old line "they said it was proven" over and over again when it's is clear to the many that there were some thing that had the chance to do over again they would most likly do them different. You keep on with this as if the bank's have done nothing to bring anything that can return some of the countless amount of money they have taken with shady add's like ("great rate your new payment will be only $$$") when the truth is that it will change after one payment but in the hundereds of marketing add's that I get over the year's that fact is disclosed just bearly in real small print on the bottom. what do you call that if not selling something that isn't true. in fact I could show you many of them that don't disclose at all and if you no anything about the mortgage bus. as you say I find it hard to beleive that you can stand up for one of the biggest LIER'S there are when it comes to fare marketing.

Last please tell me how if the law states that when someone gains from fraud & forgery that the victim is in titled to not only what was gained by doing so but damages to. and criminal charges for there effort to boot and that weather or not two wrongs make a right the bank's or there promoters hev some nerve say that it's was wrong for the dorean group to try and recover by any means what they have been take in 10 flod for many years.

I just don't get it how you and anyone can say that this crap is o.k. and should not be stopped how ever. As it is there is going to be needed a force of a juggrenut to stop them and take back this country from the bank's.
It's true what they said that as long as they have thepower to make money out of thin air they will just make more of it and buy it back when we do.

plz I would love some real down to earth answers to these ?? if you could.
I thank you ahead of time for doing so or in lu of plz stop posting that witch I refer above

L8r q8^}~>x====\/

KYHOOYA said...

Sorry for the rant everyone, It's just that I so tired of the same old post about the same old crap from the neysayers

I'll try to cut it abit shorter in the future

L8^)~>x====\/
Have a great day everybody!

yack2 said...

Keep up the workings Kurt & Scott time will tell the fools from the.... i wish you all the ++ energy I can in your fight and how you will have what is needed to withstand the ever Relentless efforts of the Tierney that we call bankers.

Draw strength in the fact they will find in the pot of there making, that spoils sometimes carry a double edge, let them wear there spoiled fruit be soon it will turn and be as a there badge of the how they are the retched.

My best

drhfred said...

Ordering the DVD’s

In order to receive a set of the three new DVD’s outlining the full details of the “Mortgage Elimination Programme”; please send a blank postal money order in the amount of $84.95 to 125 E. Sunnyoaks Ave. #207
Campbell, CA. 95008.
The regular price for these DVD’s is $250.00, however until July 4, 2006 we will send you a set of the DVD’s and for an additional $15.00 I will send another complete set to whom ever you designate as a gift from you or anonymously. There will be a supplemental that will go out free of charge as soon as it is complete to all that have purchased the DVD’s. Let’s see what first of the month we want to shut down our country in protest about the way that we are treated by the banking and mortgage system.

Dr. H. Fred
PS: I do not sign for mail!

mogel said...

Nemo said: They touted a PROVEN system. IT WASN'T TRUE."


NEMO, IT WAS TRUE THAT LEGAL TITLE WAS TAKEN AWAY FROM THE BANKS. THAT PART OF THE SYSTEM WAS PROVEN & TRUE & INEVITABLE ACCORDING TO THE PROCESS DUE TO THE FRAUD OF THE LENDER & THEIR INABILITY TO VALIDATE THE LOAN & WHEN PEOPLE SAID IT WAS A PROVEN SYSTEM, THIS IS WHAT THEY WERE REFERRING TO. I SAW THIS EARLY ON. DON'T KNOW WHY YOU COULDN'T SEE IT. NOW IF YOU WANT TO TWIST THE FACTS, THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM, NOT ANYONE ELSES. ALSO, YOU DON'T KNOW THE FUTURE, SO YOU CAN'T SAY FOR SURE IF THE DOREAN ADMINISTRATIVE JUDGMENTS WILL BE SOLD FOR CASH & FULLY COMPENSATE CLIENTS IN THE MANNER THAT WAS ORIGINALLY EXPECTED TOO. ALSO SHOULD THAT HAPPEN & I BELIEVE IT WILL, THEN CLIENTS EXPECTATIONS WILL BE A SERENDIPIDOUS SITUATION WHERE CLIENTS WILL GET MORE THAN THEY BARGAINED FOR. SO WHEN THAT HAPPENS, YOU WILL LOOK EVEN MORE STUPID THAN YOU LOOK NOW. FREEDOM CLUB USA HAS ALREADY SAID THEY HAVE DONE IT WHICH IS DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED TO WHAT YOU & OTHERS LIKE YOU HAVE SAID IN THE PAST, THAT IT WILL NEVER GET DONE BECAUSE THE NEGOTIABLE PAPER IS ALL BOGUS. ALSO, THEY WILL HAVE CLIENTS EITHER COME ON CONFERENCE CALLS TO GIVE THEIR TESTIMONY OF WHAT I AM SAYING, OR THE PROOF OF TESTIMONY WILL BE PUT ON THEIR WEBSITE TO FURTHER SUBSTANTIATE THESE CLAIMS. I REALLY DON'T KNOW MORE WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT. I KNOW MOST PEOPLE WOULD PREFER TO KEEP SILENT. THE PROCESS HAS ALWAYS BEEN SOUND IN LEGAL THEORY & SOON THEY'LL BE NO DOUBT. COURSE, I THINK YOUR IMPATIENCE GETS IN YOUR WAY MOST OF THE TIME. AGAIN, THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM, NOT ANYONE ELSES. WHY DON'T YOU SPEND A LITTLE MONEY & BUY THE DOREAN CD'S. IT'S ONLY ABOUT $80.00. I'M SURE YOU'VE WASTED MORE TIME THAN $80.00 BY THROWING YOUR OPIONIONS ALL OVER THE INTERNET. OR MAYBE YOUR TIME IS WORTH NEXT TO NOTHING, I DON'T KNOW.

wantobefree said...

Its been awhile looks like same old shit just differ day.Im curious as too how many MILLIONS kurt and scott have saved back from all the money orders they recieved for this scam.Hey MOGEL would you happen to know.Be honest my brother Ive wrote the money off already.My mortgage is sooo screwed up from this mess It cost me $2500 just to get it back to my name.but owell its only money.And yes Im WHINING this is the only satisfaction i can get for my money.

god said...

"My mortgage is sooo screwed up from this mess It cost me $2500 just to get it back to my name."

DEAR FOOLISH MORTAL, YOU COULD HAVE GOTTEN IT QUIT CLAIMED OUT FOR PRACTICALLY FREE!! DIDN'T YOU READ THE 100'S OF EMAILS SENT BY DR. FRED?

IT MUST SUCK TO BE A NAYSAYER.

THAT IS ALL!!!!

mogel said...

Its been awhile looks like same old shit just differ day.

ORDER THE CD'S & LISTEN TO THEM. MAYBE YOU WILL CHANGE YOUR MIND & MAYBE IT WILL EVEN INSTILL HOPE; THE SAME HOPE THAT YOU ONCE HAD & LOST. AFTER ALL IT'S ONLY MONEY & IT WILL ONLY COST ABOUT $85.00 AS OPPOSED TO THE $2500 YOU ALREADY SPENT. MAYBE IT WILL EVEN INSTALL SOME SATISFACTION. I CAN'T SAY. THE SATISFACTION THAT YOU WERE ALWAYS RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING & THAT THE BANKS ARE THE ONE'S THAT HAVE CAUSED ALL OF YOUR PROBLEMS & FRUSTRATIONS. THE BANKS WILL PAY IN THE END EVEN MORE DEARLY DUE TO ALL OF THIS. WHAT YOU SEE AS A PROBLEM IS ONLY A BLESSING IN DISGUISE.


Im curious as too how many MILLIONS kurt and scott have saved back from all the money orders they recieved for this scam.Hey MOGEL would you happen to know.

WHY WOULD YOU THINK I WOULD KNOW THAT? I'M NOT THEIR ACCOUNTANT, NOR WOULD I WISH TO BE. I'M NOT PRIVY TO SUCH THINGS, NOR AM I AN INSIDER THAT WOULD KNOW SUCH THINGS. WHY DO I NEED TO BE TOLD TO BE HONEST ON THIS SIMPLE QUESTION? BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION THEY TOOK IN X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS ASSUMING A $3,000 ENTRY FEE WITH APPROX. $5,000 CLIENTS. THAT FIGURE WAS POSTED ON THIS BLOG BY KURT HIMSELF USING THESE PROBABLE FACTS. SEEMS TO ME THERE WAS 4 OR 5 MILLION TAKEN IN BY DOREAN WHICH IS A FIGURE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD FROM MEMORY & MAYBE 10 MILLION CREDITS TAKEN IN BY THE BROKERS & AGENTS WHO WERE ALSO COMPENSATED. LOOK IT UP ON THE BLOG IF YOU THINK IT'S THE SAME S*IT, WHY DO YOU ASK THE QUESTION THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED. ARE YOU READING EVERYTHING HERE & KEEPING UP? DON'T YOU NEED TO READ EVERYTHING TO SAY EVERYTHING BEING SAID IS THE SAME? THE RETURN OF THE FEES YOU HAVE WRITTEN OFF IS IN A SAFE PLACE READY FOR DISTRIBUTION BACK TO CLIENTS WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT. I CAN ONLY ASSUME THAT THERE IS A TIME STRATEGY TO ALL OF THIS. AND APPARENTLY THE DOREAN GROUP WILL TAKE A LOSS SINCE THEY ARE ALSO RETURNING THE FEES THAT WERE POCKETED BY THE WORK OF THE BROKERS & AGENTS. IN ESSENCE THE DOREAN GROUP WILL HAVE WORKED FOR FREE, JUST LIKE YOU ARE DOING FOR THE BANK RIGHT NOW.

Be honest my brother Ive wrote the money off already.My mortgage is sooo screwed up from this mess It cost me $2500 just to get it back to my name.but owell its only money.

WHY WOULD YOU MORTGAGE BE SCREWED UP FROM THIS? DO YOU MEAN YOUR TITLE WAS SCREWED UP BY PUTTING THE PROPERTY IN A TRUST IF THAT EVEN MAKES SENSE? A SIMPLE TRANSFER OUT OF THE TRUST BACK INTO YOUR NAME SHOULD WOULD HAVE COST LESS THAN $100.00. PREPARING A SIMPLE QUIT CLAIM DEED ISN'T VERY HARD TO DO. YOU COULD HAVE USED THE QUIT CLAIM DEED FROM YOUR TRUST PAPERS AS A GUIDE FOR YOU TO PREPARE A QUIT CLAIM DEED YOURSELF, OR YOU COULD HAVE GONE TO AN OFFICE SUPPLY STORE IN YOUR OWN CITY THAT SELLS THESE QUIT CLAIM DEED FORMS FOR A FEW DOLLARS. THE SECOND STEP IS TO HAVE BOTH TRUSTEES SIGN IT BY MAILING THE QUIT CLAIM DEED FORMS TO DR. FRED. ONCE THEY ARE SIGNED & SENT BACK TO YOU, THEN YOU RECORD THE SIMPLE 2 PAGE PAPERS & BINGO, YOU'RE DONE. THE SCREWED UP PROPERTY IS BACK IN YOUR NAME. MANY PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS WITH A LITTLE TENACITY, OR A SIMPLE REQUEST, SO IF YOU PAID $2500 TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, I'M SURE THE LAWYER YOU HIRED TO DO THIS IS LAUGHING ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK.


And yes Im WHINING this is the only satisfaction i can get for my money.

SATISFACTION IS A PERSON PARADIGM & DIFFERS FROM ONE INDIVIDUAL TO ANOTHER. I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER SOMEONE'S SATIFACTION. I'M GRATEFUL THAT I'M IN THE PROCESS AND I FEEL PRIVILEGED & I DON'T FEEL A NEED TO WHINE.

KYHOOYA said...

Hey Neo I'll tell you what sense it seem's like you have a interest in play realastate/bankers front man. I'll pay for the DVD and have that 2nd copy sent to you in the hope that you might open your eye's and look at what is taking place around that business.

If you can do one thing for me, regarding the many times's I have posted some question's to you or around a topic that you and the group of neysayers are boosting about. By the way you have postured yourself as being in the know and could have answered the quuestion I asked.

You instead seem to just ignore them or run around everything but what is being asked. It would seem to be that either you don't have the insite to answer them or you can and the answer would cause you to show theat you are infact just post to upset this group as if you are part of the big problem to start with and have something to lose by it's dismanteling of sort's.
What is it I 'would love to no because the few times that you have commented on one you find some dribble to put up as an answer and skate right on by the heart of the question.

you boost your self as someone who is on the inside track of the banking and the mortgage lending business or someone that should have the info to these simple question I have asked if they are going to run a site page that is set up for that kind of posting as you say" let's make this our site for ....whatever" on your web page.

This is why I'm alittle set back by the fact that you have not given my post for answers by you and the group of neysayers that you seem to back up. So I thought I would try this as an offer of trade in hopes that you will post something real for a change instead of the crap you have in the past it sure would be a breath of fresh air to hear your answers to my questions ,that is if you have the the insite too answer them with substance. These are simple question. So that I can't understand why it is you have not given a respounce to them it would seem that by not your lacking the info to do so or your just blowing smoke for the sake of killing time Because I have to say that you spend a lot of time here and them on top of that all the time it take you to run that site of your and in your spare time the info searches that you do for the thing that are posted here you are not in the liking of and want to find out if someone has crossed the line and there is a (C)right issue or someone home adderess and so,sec,no. DOB,DBA,FNR,DLN,mother MN,Pass code's and any other Idem, (from there cell phone) or Item you can come up with to post in the public form (By the way if you haven't got the point yet) I FIND YOUR USE OF INFO THAT WAS PERSONAL & PART OF REG. ON YOUR SITE AND POSTING FOR ALL TO SEE TO BE THE LOWEST UNDERHANDED THING ANYONE CAN DO ) Weather or not you are pist off or disagree with them or no. You just don't do that and if it were me after I.... Well I die-gress don't mind me I'm o.k, now . Let's get back to that proposal of mine to you. your to say the very least you would think that you might be able to find the time to answer these question to the best of your noggen can offer.

So here you go the question's that could win you that alll expence paid DVD of insite and future expantion into the world of self inlightenment, now for number

1) why is it o.k for the banks to commit fraud and not have to answer for it by what ever mean weather they are the "right thing " or not?

2) who hase'nt seen a add for some roduct that is for sure not anything close to the real thing or thetruth on T.V. or some other form of marketing (infact there's the GOV. agency to deal with them called the FTC) So why should it be seen as so bad that it is used in some form to get back what they have gain by doing the same by non-discloser.

3) why is the fact that these moneychangers we have been told to trust are let to steel from customers everyday in way's that by far out dose anything eles
I have seen dorean do (let face itthe people that lost there homes were going to anyway) but the banks do this as we watch and are helpless to chose another and the POB no this is going on but do nothing as well why is that o.k. but not what dorean did in the big picture

4) and last please tell me how the frac of the fraud that is very clear the bank are out to hide these item's that will make them alot of money from you by fraud and in any other case the law say that the customer is intitled to any gain that is rewalised by fraud +damages and for the real people and world theres the Criminal to boot why is it o.k. for them to do that to the point that I find to be extrem (the original money then the interest at 2x that plus rider) I 'am saying how much is to much or what do they care push the limit right there is no one can stop them right and if there is someone who stand's up shit the same people that are to be or have been GOT will stand in and take them down to size cause we told them it' sthe way it should be (the bank's say) so hpow do you say this is better and that there refi of the porocess is the big bad thing & so wrong , why inlight of what the bamks are doing?

5) sorry one more
I ask this question some tiome back and the answer that you gave was off the page or I mist something
so here go's one more time
what is the differance between the loan that you do when you get one from your 401-k plan and the one the bank is giveing and why is it not done in that way meaning the payment and term af collateral for the note. The one diff. is a big one and show how how the banks are in the wrong and are in fact the SCAM that beat's al SCAM's if you can tell me that there isanother way to see this than I await your word's

thats it for all the DVD's just hit me back with the skinny on these ??? and if I'm missing something than I will be the first to say I wrong but I don't see it as is .


the floor is yours Neo show me the light and either way you can still have the DVD . and I will also have some info about my self that might be of interest and turn you wheel around to see the light after all said and done here


l8r q8^~>x=====\/
This is with all good intention, no B.S. I would like to no the fact's if there differant fromhow I see it and post it here

neodemes said...

kahooya,

Thanks for the offer, but I don't want the dvds.

I'll try to find some time to decipher your questions, though.

In the meantime, have mogel try and decide if the dvd's are $80, $85 or $250.00 as stated by Fred.

And why they are about the "mortgage elimination programme" and not "mortgage challenge" as he claimed it morphed into.

TTFN

mogel said...

Nemo said: "kahooya,

Thanks for the offer, but I don't want the dvds."

I GUESS THAT ABOUT SUMS THINGS UP TO EVERYONE HOW CLOSED MINDED YOU REALLY ARE. YOU DON'T WANT TO INVESTIGATE THINGS FULLY, YOU JUST WANT TO JUSTIFY YOUR OWN OPINONS AS YOU'VE DONE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. THAT'S REAL OPENMINDED OF YOU, NEMO. I GUESS THAT TIES IN WHAT FRUIT SAYS OF "FASHIONING A god AFTER YOUR OWN MIND AND WILL." I HOPE THAT BRINGS YOU THE HAPPINESS AND TRUTH YOU SO DILIGENTLY SEEK FOR. I GUESS THAT'S ABOUT AS PARALLEL AS ASKING QUESTIONS YOU REALLY DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWERS TO, BUT FEEL A NEED TO CONSTANTLY ASK THE TOUGH QUESTIONS. YOU'RE TRULY A STRANGE ENIGMA.

wantobefree said...

Thats great news mogel i could use that money back Ill take everything back that i said about this process when that time comes but Im not holding my breath.As far as asking you about the money its simple I have two money orders reciepts with your name on it.No i dont read hardly any comments on here I got on here for two reasons whens my mortgage going to clear or wheres my refund.You all can call me what you want all i know is i get up go to work 12 hrs a day come home and take care of my family like im sure most of you do too im not smart like most of you i cant get on here and study this crap everyday .I heard about this process and paid to have it done for me, shouldnt haft to go back to school.I wouldnt give one cent for anything on here and as far as Dr Fred Ive seen a few post about him and they wasnt good so not wasting time there.I do hope this works out for everyone especially those who quit paying the payment and got in real trouble hopefully they get back double and those who has never gave up.

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