Monday, July 10, 2006

Civil v Common

The Roman Civil Law is a law of statutes in a democracy. The Common Law is one that honors man in a Republic. They have this in common in that contracts are the substance. When there is but one man he is not a law unto himself. Law is the agreement of fairness in a covenant relationship. It is a social development. The foundation of the Common Law is the covenant law of God that developed and perfected the ideas of fairness when dealing with our neighbor. It is not necessarily written but understood as an internal agreement. It is not statutory but more parental. Our fist understandings of right and wrong come from parents. Society like a parent nursing its next generation has an agreed general set of rights and wrongs we hold in common. The Roman Civil Law has an elite class who dictates ethical standards based on their subjective point of view. God is not the source of inspiration, man is. Total agreement or even majority agreement is not possible because there is a selfishness designed into it that harms others. Force and penalties are coercive tools to secure agreement. Both have trust contracts but one is a privilege and one is at right. The court system is Civil Law using a dramatic portrayal of statute and force to coerce you to agree. The Common Law is what regulates men most specifically in this country but there is no elite when men are held in common. By the help of banker elitist these lawyers were fostered upon us to make themselves relevant. They make you an offer of civil law to which they are the trained ruling class and hope they can get you to consent to this change of venue by acquiescence. This is a non-disclosed contract that isn’t truly enforceable but in civil law which is a standard of fairness flawed in its foundation this is acceptable. In common law this would be fraud because the self-interested advantage is not considered fair. Both still function or exist by agreement of the people. Put simply that means you are still the power. By controlling your agreement you make the law. We have refused the civil law and will have common law which will not tolerate this case. Our case is all about an elitist class that saw us enforcing our common law remedies of fairness and tried to make themselves relevant. They are very persuasive, but one trained by the source of the common law who is a God of covenant agreements is not easily moved. 30 years now having to deal with the father of lies who dresses himself as an angel of light is much more difficult to decipher than these neophyte lawyers. We the people need to start trusting the law we hold in common and stop being bluffed into an inferior arbitration called American jurisprudence.

16 comments:

tcob247 said...

You are so awesome

I hunger for your knowledge

By the way............
Did you get a letter from Presidant Bush yet?

WillToFight said...

Neo

If you argue this one, which I don't know why I write this, knowing you will!

O.K. The thrill of the "hunt"

What reasonable thinking person does not stand-under this statement by Kurt?
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Kurt Said....

Force and penalties are coercive tools to secure agreement. Both have trust contracts but one is a privilege and one is at right. The court system is Civil Law using a dramatic portrayal of statute and force to coerce you to agree.
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So Neo you agree with this form of judiciary?

partysecured said...

I love you Kurt and Scott.

I can't wait till your battle is over and I get to meet you guys again.

Here's to your strength, tuffness, and wantingness to change something that some know to be crooked but just don't have the knowledge or balls to know what to do.
\Thanks for giving a damn.

mogel said...

If these common law rights actually exist in the real world if demanded, then why can't this case be transferred by a chance of venue to a common law court or an article III Court, where fairness can be the standard instead of arbitrational standards of a Civil Court that can only work against the common law rights and interest of the Dorean Group and clients?

Or in the alternative, let this idea of standing on your common rights be the legal reason to dismiss all criminal charges & exact a fair settlement for all, but the reality is--- the judiciary of the Civil Courts do whatever they want to do regardless of common law rights being the elitists that they are.

Civil Law (reality) vs. Common Law (Utopia)

dgwondering said...

Yawn.

When something more in tune with reality happens after the next hearing, will someone please post what actually went on?

This religious blah-blah-blah is nothing but mental masturbation.

For people with real world issues who got scammed into this and don't have a savvy attorney it's not a religion problem. Where your spouse and kids might have to move to and live because of this Dorean BS is a lot more important than Mormonism as presented by Mogel versus anti-Mormonism by Neo.

oksurewhynot said...

bingo!
DGwondering, you hit the nail on the head. Reading the posts are like trying to untangle a ball of knotted threads.

~~The Swami~~~ said...

dgwondering said...

This religious blah-blah-blah is nothing but mental masturbation.



Brother Love Says:
Yes DGWondering, but are you Master of your Domain?

Please keep in mind; more than two shakes is considered playing with it.

~~The Swami~~~ said...

The neighbor brought their baby over tonight and set the baby on our coffee table. This unfortuantely put his head between the television and my point of view. For a moment I thought I had been transformed to Easter Island. Wow! What a melon on that kid. That giant head blocked the whole damn screen.

imbigo said...

Here's some more religious stuff for you...

GOD BLESS YOU BOTH, HOPE TO GET CLEARENCE SOON, B4 THE 18TH PRAYERFULY!!!...

TO GOD BE THE GLORY FOR THE THINGS HE HAS DONE, AND IS DOING!!!!

YES BIG"O" IS STILL HERE...

SEE YOU AT THE TOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ZUP EVERYONE

imbigo said...

In my short life time I've noticed that people speak out negatively agaist things they dont understand, I dont claim to have insight or firsthand knowledge on everything I read on the post BUT I believe they (KURT & SCOTT) know what they're doing!!!!

One day REAL SOON I hope to sit with them both and be further inlightened!!!

I've said it many times b-4 THANKS JUST DOES NOT CUT IT!!!

MAY GOD BLESS YOU BOTH REAL GOOD!!!

imbigo said...

B-4 one of looooser naysayers say anything, I have a question...

WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY BETTER BESIDES SITTING BACK IN YOUR COMFORT ZONE GETTING TYPERS CRAMP?

"IF YOUR NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION YOUR PART OF THE PROBLEM" by unknown...
EVERY BODIES MAMA HAS SAID THAT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER!!!!

spell check!!!

WillToFight said...

DOGwondering said....

Yawn.

When something more in tune with reality happens after the next hearing, will someone please post what actually went on?
________________________

I'll bet your the biggest BrownNose occupying this blog?

You enjoy living in a created Matix reality!

You sound like you've been castrated !

WillToFight said...

Thanks for the laugh

Brother Love!

tcob247 said...

WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY BETTER BESIDES SITTING BACK IN YOUR COMFORT ZONE GETTING TYPERS CRAMP?

What are you doing Imbigio?????

mogel said...

Tycob said: "WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY BETTER BESIDES SITTING BACK IN YOUR COMFORT ZONE GETTING TYPERS CRAMP?

What are you doing Imbigio?????
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It obviously wouldn't matter if he was doing something worthwile or not, because if you are going to criticize Kurt, you would find reasons to criticize ANYONE, so I fail to see your point. Maybe you don't have a point as usual.

mogel said...

Here's an interesting read:

http://www.wealth4freedom.com/law/law_license.shtml
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LAWYERS AND ATTORNEYS ARE NOT LICENSED TO PRACTICE LAW

Below, you'll read an exhibit from a lawsuit that will explain in
some detail the answer to that question and why no attorneys ever
call-in to dispute that statement. (And, yes, at least a few
attorneys do listen to Freedom's Questions.) THE NATURE OF
LAWYER-CRAFT IN AMERICA

AS PER THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT; The practice of Law CAN NOT
be licensed by any state/State. ( Schware v. Board of Examiners, 353
U.S. 238, 239 )

The practice of Law is AN OCCUPATION OF COMMON RIGHT! ( Sims v.
Aherns, 271 S.W. 720 (1925))

The "CERTIFICATE" from the State Supreme Court: ONLY authorizes, To
practice Law "IN COURTS" As a member of the STATE JUDICIAL BRANCH OF
GOVERNMENT. Can ONLY represent WARDS OF THE COURT, INFANTS, PERSONS
OF UNSOUND MIND (SEE CORPUS JURIS SECUNDUM, VOLUME 7, SECTION 4.)

"CERTIFICATE" IS NOT A LICENSE to practice Law AS AN OCCUPATION, nor
to DO BUSINESS AS A LAW FIRM!!!

The "STATE BAR" CARD IS NOT A LICENSE!!! It is a "UNION DUES CARD" .

The "BAR" is a "PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION."

1. Like the Actors Union, Painters Union, etc.
2. No other association, EVEN DOCTORS, issue their own license. ALL
ARE ISSUED BY THE STATE. 3. It is a NON-GOVERNMENTAL PRIVATE
ASSOCIATION.
The State Bar is; An Unconstitutional Monopoly. AN ILLEGAL & CRIMINAL
ENTERPRISE; Violates Article 2, Section 1, Separation of Powers
clause of the Constitution. There is NO POWER OR AUTHORITY for
joining of Legislative, Judicial, or Executive within a state as the
BAR is attempting. BAR members have invaded all branches of
government and are attempting to control de jure government as
agents of a foreign entity!

It is quite simple to see that a great fraud and conspiracy has been
perpetrated on the people of America. The American Bar is an
offshoot from London Lawyers' Guild and was established by people
with invasive monopolistic goals in mind. In 1909 they incorporated
this TRAITOROUS group in the state of Illinois and had the State
Legislature (which was under the control of lawyers) pass an
unconstitutional law that only members of this powerful union of
lawyers, called the ABA, could practice law and hold all the key
positions in law enforcement and the making of laws. At that time,
Illinois became an outlaw state and for all practical purposes, they
seceded from the United States of America.

The BAR ASSOCIATION then sent organizers to all the other states and
explained to the lawyers there how much more profitable and secure
it would be for them, as lawyers, to join this union and be
protected by its bylaws and cannons. They issued to the lawyers in
each state a charter from the Illinois organization. California
joined in 1927 and a few reluctant states and their lawyers waited
until the 1930's to join when the treasonous act became DE FACTO and
the Citizen's became captives. Under this system, the lawyers could
guarantee prejudged decisions for the privileged class against the
lower class.

This was all made possible by the AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION to favor
the right and have unlawfully substituted them in place of
Constitutional Laws. The Constitution was written in plain English
and the Statutes passed by Congress were also in plain English, with
the intent of Congress how each law should be used and not the
opinions of various Judges as the codes list. Any normal person can
read the Constitution and Statutes and understand them without any
trouble.

The public in California was shocked to learn that the State
Government has no control or jurisdiction over the Bar Association
or its members. The state does not accredit the law schools or hold
Bar examinations. They do not issue state licenses to LAWYERS. The
Bar Association accredits all the law schools, holds their private
examinations and selects the students they will accept in their
organization and issues them so-called license but keeps the fees
for themselves. The Bar is the only one that can punish or disbar a
Lawyer. They also select the lawyers that they consider qualified
for Judgeships and various other offices in the State. Only the Bar
Association or their designated committees can remove any of these
lawyers from public office. The State Legislature will not change
this system as they are also a designated committee of the Bar.

On August 21, 1984, Rose Bird, Chief Justice of the California State
Supreme Court, another of the Bar Associations Judicial Committee's,
stated in essence that the Bar should determine the legality of all
initiatives before they were allowed to go on the ballot. This is
contrary to both State and Federal Constitutions, as well as the
Laws of this Nation instituted By and For the People as a Sovereign
UNITY of Independent States of We The People, not a fraudulent
Corporate entity of Lawyers. This is a tremendous amount of power
for a PRIVATE union that is incorporated and headquartered in
Illinois to hold over the Citizens of California or any other state.
The only recourse is through this initiative process and vote by the
people.

After the Founding Fathers had formed the Constitution, outlining the
laws as to the way our government was to be run, Thomas Jefferson
said, in essence, "This proves that plain people, if given the
chance, can enact laws and run a government as well as or better
than royalty and the blue bloods of Europe." The American people
must stop thinking that lawyers are better than they are and can do
a better job than they can before the courts of America. Under the
Common Law and the Laws of America, no where is it expressly given
for anyone to have the power or the right to form a Corporation.
Corporations are given birth because of ignorance on the part of the
American people and are operating under implied consent and power
which they have usurped and otherwise stolen from the people. By
RIGHT AND LAW THEY HAVE NO POWER, AUTHORITY OR JURISDICTION, and
must be put out of business by the good Citizens of America in their
fight for FREEDOM

The U.S. Constitution GUARANTEES to every state in this union a
REPUBLICAN FORM of government. Any other form of government is
FORBIDDEN. No public officer or branch of government can be limited
to a RULING CLASS of any kind, or the states become ARISTOCRACIES
and NOT republics. Also, the lawyers have made themselves 1st Class
Citizens, where many public offices and branches of government are
open to lawyers only. All other people are limited to only two
branches of government and to only certain offices in those two
branches of government, making all people who are non-lawyers into
2nd class subject citizens.

When the courts belong to the people, as the United States
Constitution REQUIRES, (Article IV, Section 4, we the people, will
NEVER rule against themselves.) In these Unconstitutional courts
foreign tribunals (hoodlum centers), "men" in black dresses, that
are Unconstitutional ROBES OF NOBILITY. (Article 1, Section 9 and
10) dispense a perverted ideology, where the people are terrorized
by members of the BLACK ROBE CULT (lawyers and lawyer judges in the
courtrooms).

The legislative branch of government does NOT have the Constitutional
Power to issue Court Orders or any other kind of Orders to people,
as a fiction court or a court/corporation for profit and gain cannot
reach parity with a lawful man. ONLY presidents and governors have
the Constitutional Power to grant PARDONS, but lawyers and
lawyer-judges are unconstitutionally granting PARDONS with "immunity
from prosecution." Citizens are not permitted to act like people in
the courts. The Citizen (2nd class) is told that he does not know
how to fill out fancy lawyer forms; that he is not trained in the
law; that he does not know court rules and procedures; etc. This is
Unconstitutional "lawyer system," only HEARSAY SUBSTITUTES (lawyers)
NOT under oath, have access to the fiction/for profit and gain
courts, even though ONLY sworn testimony and evidence can be
presented in court. Anything else is Bill of Attainder, NOT
permitted under the U.S. Constitution (Article 1, Sections 9 and
10). The U.

LAWYERS and LAWYER-JUDGES: Created Unconstitutional "lawyer system"
pre-trial "motions" and "Hearings" to have eternal EXTORTIONISTIC
litigation’s, which is BARRATRY and also is in violation of the U.S.
Constitution, and Article 1, as this places defendants in DOUBLE
JEOPARDY a hundred times over. Defendants only have a right to A
TRIAL, NOT TRIALS.

When a criminal is freed on a TECHNICALITY, HE IS FREED BECAUSE OF A
FIX and a PAY-OFF, as a defendant can only be freed if found
innocent BY A JURY NOT BY ANY "TECHNICALITY." Whenever a lawyer is
involved in a case directly or indirectly, as a litigant or
assisting in counsel, ALL LAWYER-JUDGES HAVE TO DISQUALIFY
THEMSELVES, AS THERE CANNOT BE A CONSTITUTIONAL TRIAL and also there
would be a violation of the conflict of interest laws, along with
the violation of separation of powers and checks and balances,
because "OFFICERS" OF THE COURT ARE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BENCH.
These same LAWYER-JUDGES are awarding or approving LAWYER FEES,
directly and indirectly, amounting to BILLIONS OF DOLLARS annually,
all in violation of conflict of interest laws. As long as there are
lawyers, there will never be any law, constitution or justice. There
will only be MOB RULE, RULE BY A MOB OF LAWYERS.

CASE "LAW" IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL: As CASE "LAW" IS ENACTED BY THE
JUDICIAL BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT.

When a lawyer-judge instructs, directs, or gives orders to a jury,
the lawyer-judge is TAMPERING WITH THE JURY. He also tampers with
testimony when he orders the answers to be either "Yes" or "No." The
lawyer-judge also tampers, fixes, and rigs the trial when he orders
anything stricken from the record, or when he "rules" certain
evidence and the truth to be inadmissible. This makes the trial and
transcript FIXED and RIGGED, because the jury does not hear the REAL
TRUTH and ALL THE FACTS. Juries are made into puppets by the lawyers
and lawyer-judges. All lawyers are automatically in the judicial
branch of government, as they have the Unconstitutional TITLE OF
NOBILITY (Article 1, Section 9 and 10), "Officer of the court."
Citizens have to be elected or hired to be in any branch of
government but non-lawyer Citizens are limited to only 2 of the 3
branches of government. Lawyers as 1st class citizens, can be hired
or elected to any of the three branches of government. Lawyers,
"Officer

District attorneys and State's attorneys have taken over the Grand
Juries FROM the people, where the people are DENIED ACCESS to the
grand juries when they attempt to present evidence of crimes
committed in the courtrooms by the lawyers and lawyer-judges. The
U.S. Constitution, being the Supreme Fundamental Law, is not and
CANNOT be ambiguous as to be interpreted, or it would be a worthless
piece of paper and we would have millions of interpretations
(Unconstitutional amendments) instead of the few we have now. That
is why all judges and public servants are SWORN TO SUPPORT the U.S.
Constitution, NOT interpret it.

Under INTERNATIONAL ORDERS: ALL LAWYERS, whether they left law school
yesterday or 50 years ago, are EXACTLY THE SAME. All lawyers have to
file the same motions and follow the same procedures in using the
same Unconstitutional "lawyer system". In probate, the lawyers place
themselves in everyone's will and estate. When there are minor
children as heirs, the lawyer-judges appoint a lawyer (a child
molesting Fagin) for EACH CHILD and, at times, the lawyer fees
EXCEED the total amount of the estate. An OUTRAGEOUS amount of TAX
"MONEY" is directly and indirectly STOLEN BY LAWYERS. Money that is
budgeted to County Boards, School Boards and other local and federal
agencies eventually finds its way into the pockets of lawyers, as
ALL of these agencies are "TRICKED" and "FORCED" into ETERNAL
EXTORTIONISTIC LITIGATION.