Sunday, November 26, 2006

Back Where I Started

On Nov. 7th we went to court and listened to the BOP bitch about my contracting with them. They are all cowards and only know certain techniques to deal with legitimate threats. We of course are light years ahead of them and anticipated their actions. This placed me back at Santa Rita where it all began so long ago. I was already poised to end this trial as I began it with a 40 day fast. It is one thing to hope for your deliverance and quite another to obtain it. This is something I will teach you faithful hopers in the future. To be here again is good. I’m able to enter the ideal environment to push me over the finish line. Being with Scott these 8 months was part of God’s divine plan and God and I have left him equipped to trust in his own walk and spiritual ear. This was his destiny to enter this battle with raw courage but to leave a seasoned champion in his own right. I on the other hand know that blessing had to mature to this moment where each of us have to gut it out alone to the finish. God is a respecter of free choice. He has given all associated with this battle a chance to place their flag in the territory of their heart. As of this moment all have done so except Julian and Magoon. I believe they will have to do this by month’s end. After this God is free to judge and to enter in to accomplish His will. I wish I could of seen better results but too many have succumb to the cares of this world and set aside trusting their creator. Many call themselves Christian and see themselves better than they are. They are blind to their own fruit but proclaim to be wise enough to inspect the fruit of others. They condemn themselves with every word they utter. Many of you have seen this played out on this blog. Well time for truth has arrived. God Himself has decreed an end and the faithful shall see Him faithful who is the justification of what appeared risky in trusting Him. Never did I have to fear my enemy. They were always under the guidance of the Master. Objects of His wrath to display God’s righteous judgment, and forbearance for this generation at this moment in time. Likewise He increases His renown among the nations and those who serve Him as Lord. I could teach a thousand years on why God is trustworthy but none of these lessons would have the impact of your experience in this trial. If you know you’ve failed repent before God takes this whole selected mass over the finish line. Remember not how you ran the race but how you finished that matters. In that light fast and pray with me to see God glorified, His enemies scattered, and you matured by the endurance of battle that led to your victory. Our next hearing is another settlement conference with Spero and then before Alsup on 12-11-06. It is my hope that this is my last day before this scoundrel. He does nothing but lie and thinks himself righteous. Even if they slay me I would never stoop so low as to reach for the heights of their righteousness. My new address should be posted. There may be one more move.

46 comments:

justice77777777 said...

"As of this moment all have done so except Julian and Magoon. I believe they will have to do this by month’s end."

I guess Panama does NOT get it after all.

It surely sounds like someone has kicked you in the gut, and you now realize that your destiny lies 25-life.

Let's see what Moogie gets out of this one to spin it in such a positive light.

mogel said...

Justice:

What does the Panamanian authorities getting it, have to do with Julian getting it & having the conviction of what he already knows & standing up for those convictions against a corrupt court that has the power to imprison?

Why does it sound like 25-life when settlement hearings still continue?

Have you forgotten that there are still NO pre-trial or trial dates even scheduled at this point in time?

Don't you think it's even strange & RARE that in a criminal case that "settlement hearings" are even scheduled & entertained?

Don't you think it's strange that another Judge other than Alsup is even put in a position to hear this?

Don't you think it strange to imprison people for 19 months without even the onset of a trial?

Don't you think it strange that the State of Utah files charges & seemingly drops or ignores them, only to allow the CA federal court to take them? Weren't they both in CA at the time & wouldn't it had been easier from a logistical standpoint & quicker time frame to settle things quicker if the Federal Court just filed charges in the first place where they both were in the beginning rather than playing all of these moving games of extradition & moving them from place to place?

Didn't Kurt prophesy that this would all be settled at the Federal level anyway or have people forgotten this prophesy?

Maybe you are more interested in some of the hopeful thinking & time frame dates of finalization that didn't come to fruition on a timely basis.

ticktoc123 said...

Wouldn't it be nice if instead of all this religious bullshit some real information was passed on?

tcob247 said...

mogel
"Didn't Kurt prophesy that this would all be settled at the Federal level anyway or have people forgotten this prophesy?"

Hasn't Kurt prophesied a lot that hasn't come to pass?

tcob247 said...

Kurt...said

"This is something I will teach you faithful hopers in the future."

We are all so very grateful to you for this master

"To be here again is good. I’m able to enter the ideal environment to push me over the finish line."

Jail does seem to be your ideal envoronment

"Being with Scott these 8 months was part of God’s divine plan and God and I have left him equipped to trust in his own walk and spiritual ear."

I'm sure God and you are in one accord. Scott is one lucky guy.
Loses his house, wife and kids.
Yup...good plan by you and God


"After this God is free to judge and to enter in to accomplish His will."

Geeze dude....thanks for giving God the ability to make his own decisions without you


"I wish I could of seen better results but too many have succumb to the cares of this world and set aside trusting their creator."

Yes, it is all our fault for not trusting you and God

"Well time for truth has arrived. God Himself has decreed an end"

Yup....and methinks you won't like the truth that will be delivered to you

Good luck

dgwondering said...

Gashler the liar posted as Mogel: "... Why does it sound like 25-life when settlement hearings still continue?"
Because Kurt and Scott keep pulling BS to delay things and trying to act as if they are going to change their plea in order to get a reduced sentence

"Have you forgotten that there are still NO pre-trial or trial dates even scheduled at this point in time? "
More Gashler BS. Look at the docket liar.

"Don't you think it's even strange & RARE that in a criminal case that "settlement hearings" are even scheduled & entertained? "
You really have your head up their *ss, Gashler. Criminals bargain down the charges or their potential settlements all the time.

"Don't you think it's strange that another Judge other than Alsup is even put in a position to hear this? " More stupidity, Gashler. The judge hearing a trial can't be part of a settlement hearing.

"Don't you think it strange to imprison people for 19 months without even the onset of a trial?" You're not only stupid, you make *hit up. Look at the docket again and see hou many times they've had hearings and how many stupid things they've done to delay the whole thing.

"Don't you think it strange that the State of Utah files charges & seemingly drops or ignores them, only to allow the CA federal court to take them? " Nope they're smarter than you Gashler. Why spend the state's time and money when the Fed charges will put them away longer?

"Weren't they both in CA at the time & wouldn't it had been easier from a logistical standpoint & quicker time frame to settle things quicker if the Federal Court just filed charges in the first place where they both were in the beginning rather than playing all of these moving games of extradition & moving them from place to place?" It's the law, stupid. Utah moved first because they were ready and it was a simpler case.

"Didn't Kurt prophesy that this would all be settled at the Federal level anyway or have people forgotten this prophesy? " So now your martyr has the gift of prophecy? He's a scam artist who's been caught and he's beeen wrong 99.99% of the time Gashler. Deal with it. Find another life cause this scam business stuff you're behind ain't workin too well, eh?

~~The Swami~~~ said...

What does the California judicial system and the New York Giants have in common? They're both going to hell!!!!!!!!!!

justice77777777 said...

dgwondering said...
Find another life cause this scam business stuff you're behind ain't workin too well, eh?

dgw,

moogie's next venture is probably already laid out. word through grape-vine is that the good dr. fred is starting his own "tila challenge" mortgage business, so look out for the next best scam, i mean thing. lol.

mogel said...

Tycob said: "Hasn't Kurt prophesied a lot that hasn't come to pass?"
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No, there's a huge difference between hopes or expectations & prophesy.

Was there something in particular that bothers you that should have happened by now in your estimation?
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Mr. Ticktock: You were given some real information already!!!!! There is a settlement hearing before Spero & then a hearing before Alsup all accomplished by December 11th. Do you have trouble reading & comprehending too along with your spiritual blindness?

justice77777777 said...

mogel said...
Do you have trouble reading & comprehending too along with your spiritual blindness?

am I the only one who senses some anger in moogie's tone? it's only a matter of time moogie before the game is over, so enjoy it while it lasts....

i have to hand it to you though, you seem more upbeat and determined than you hero.

mogel said...

Tycob replies: Kurt...said

"This is something I will teach you faithful hopers in the future."

We are all so very grateful to you for this master
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SOMEHOW I DON'T SEE TRUE GENUINE APPRECIATION IN YOUR SARCASM
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"To be here again is good. I’m able to enter the ideal environment to push me over the finish line."

Jail does seem to be your ideal envoronment
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WHAT IS "ENVORONMENT"? I KNOW WHAT "ENVIRONMENT" IS HOWEVER. MAYBE YOU SHOULD DO A SPELL CHECK TOO, OR DO YOU REALLY THINK OVER YOUR CRITICISM & PROOF READ YOUR MIND BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH?
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"Being with Scott these 8 months was part of God’s divine plan and God and I have left him equipped to trust in his own walk and spiritual ear."

I'm sure God and you are in one accord. Scott is one lucky guy.
Loses his house, wife and kids.
Yup...good plan by you and God
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"WHAT DOES IT PROFIT A MAN IF HE GAINS THE WHOLE WORLD & LOSES HIS SOUL?"

OH I FORGOT, YOU DON'T READ THE SCRIPTURES. OR YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT GOD WILL BLESS SCOTT 10 FOLD LIKE HE DID TO JOB, NOT ONLY WITH MORE FAMILY, BUT ALSO WITH WORLDLY WEALTH TOO JUST LIKE HE DID FOR JOB. EITHER PAY YOU ARE THE ONE THAT LOOKS PATHETIC SINCE YOU ONLY SEE THE SMALL PICTURE.
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"After this God is free to judge and to enter in to accomplish His will."

Geeze dude....thanks for giving God the ability to make his own decisions without you
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HE'S JUST MAKING A STATEMENT OF FACT NOT TELLING GOD WHAT HE CAN OR CAN'T DO. TRY LISTENING FOR THE SPIRIT OF A MESSAGE & TAKING EVERYTHING IN CONTEXT, OTHERWISE YOU MIGHT GET CONFUSED AGAIN. HERE'S A CLUE: "WHO HAS KURT CONSTANTLY SAID THE GLORY SHOULD GO TO"? COME ON, I KNOW YOU KNOW THE ANSWER. WHO IS IT?
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"I wish I could of seen better results but too many have succumb to the cares of this world and set aside trusting their creator."

Yes, it is all our fault for not trusting you and God
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AGAIN, WHAT IS MEANT I THINK IS THAT MANY HAVE LOST THEIR FAITH THAT THE PROCESS WILL EVENTUALLY SUCCEED FOR ALL CLIENTS & HAVE VOICED CRITICISM AND FEAR INSTEAD.
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"Well time for truth has arrived. God Himself has decreed an end"

Yup....and methinks you won't like the truth that will be delivered to you

Good luck
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LUCK HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PROPHESY. PROPHESY HAS SAID THAT THE LORD WOULD "OVERTHROW THE MONEY CHANGERS IN THE LATTER DAYS". YOU CAN BANK ON IT. LOL

mogel said...

Have you forgotten that there are still NO pre-trial or trial dates even scheduled at this point in time? "
More Gashler BS. Look at the docket liar.
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SO TELL US WHAT THOSE DATES ARE & WHEN THAT WAS CHANGED & WHY THEN?

mogel said...

DG Wondering said: "Criminals bargain down the charges or their potential settlements ALL the time."
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If I were the prosecuting team with a solid air tight case, I wouldn't bargain at all. No need to bargain, if you don't need to.

mogel said...

DG Wondering said: "The judge hearing a trial can't be part of a settlement hearing."
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That statement presupposes that there will be a trial.

Isn't Judge Alsup part of a settlement hearing if a settlement of the minds is eventually reported directly to him as to what is agreed to in writing?

mogel said...

DG Wondering replied: "Why spend the state's time and money when the Fed charges will put them away longer?"
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Then why didn't the Federal Court charge them FIRST? That doesn't seem too intelligent to me by their logistical strategy. They have been watching them from day one, so there has been plenty of time to figure this out & file appropriate charges, assuming appropriate charges exist. The Fed's whole case evolves on the charge of "bank fraud". If they can't prove that, they must let the Dorean Group go free. How are they ever going to prove bank fraud without exposing the biggest fraudsters of all, the banksters?

mogel said...

Tcob & Justice: EITHER "WAY" YOU ARE THE ONE THAT LOOKS PATHETIC SINCE YOU ONLY SEE THE SMALL PICTURE. I DO SPELL CHECKS. COURSE I TYPE FASTER THAN I THINK, IT'S A WEAKNESS I KNOW.

DG Wondering: If the prosecution wants to put the Dorean Group away FOR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE, then why bargain at all, or come to the bargaining table at all?

You can't have it both ways in your reasoning. If they are criminals as you say, then, why bargain in the least? NO NEED TO IF YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

Could it be that the prosecution has no case at all, after all?

mogel said...

DG Wondering: Don't you think 68 counts is just overkill at 30 years per count? How many lifetimes is that?

mogel said...

DG Wondering answered: "Because Kurt and Scott keep pulling BS to delay things and trying to act as if they are going to change their plea in order to get a reduced sentence".
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SO HOW MANY MONTHS IN THE BLUFFDALE UTAH JAIL DID THEY SPEND BEFORE GOING TO CALIFORNIA? THERE WAS NO PLEA BARGAINING THERE IN UTAH. WHAT'S THE REASON TO FALSELY IMPRISON THEM THERE IN UTAH SO LONG THEN? DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER EXCUSE TO GIVE FOR THAT LONG TIME IN THAT LOVELY STATE?

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"...walkin' out the do', goin' to da sto', ta get me so' mo', i slip on the flo'....

mogel said...

DG Wondering: Oh, I guess it was "West Valley" Utah where K&S stayed in the County Jail there. Bluffdale, is where they hold the convicted criminals, my mistake. LOL

mogel said...

DG Wondering: Have you ever wondered how many counts of insurance fraud they could make stick at the State level if they wanted to, assuming the State of Utah even had a case? Course the State of Utah could amend their filings just like the State of Utah did at least once before to include more charges if the sole result was to put the Dorean Group in jail for the rest of their lives. Course since the FBI confiscated all of their records prior to the arrests, they already know how many clients were in the process up until that time anyway & the FBI knew that in every presentment a bond was presented through the mails.

Well let's see, 4000 counts for each presentment that was sent out since there is at least 4,000 clients:

4,000 counts at say 5 years per count of insurance fraud = 2,000 years in prison. How many lifetimes is that? The State of Utah presupposed that the Dorean Bond was a case of insurance fraud since the person or company underwriting the bond wasn't licensed by the State. How hard would not having a license be to prove? Or could it be that there is no insurance fraud because the Dorean Group wasn't selling insurance or insurance products?

Course that assumes the State of Utah had an ironclad & real case too. There was no need to file Federal charges in your logic.

Don't you hate it when you make assumptions that make no sense?

mogel said...

Even if you say there were only 50 Dorean clients out of the State of Utah which is probably still low, you get:

50 clients x 5 years per count of insurance fraud per each presentment is still 250 years of prison time that Utah could have pursued just through the insurance charge.

So there was no need to file federal charges or even additional charges like the State of Utah did to stall the legal process further, if the sole intent was to put the Dorean Group away for life.

Course how are you going to prove they were felon fugitives like the State of Utah alleged since K&S were never in Utah before?

Is a person a fugitive felon if they break the administrative law by failing to pay for a "no insurance violation" ticket in one State after a bench warrant has been issued & go to another State without paying for their driving infraction? Traffic Court is "criminal court".

How far can one go in twisting the definition of what a "fugitive" is?

jbenda said...

Is "MOGEL" magoon?

tcob247 said...

no...he is an asshole.

Rock on in your deluded beliefs moogie boy

Guess we will all see soon who was right

justice77777777 said...

mogel said...
If I were the prosecuting team with a solid air tight case, I wouldn't bargain at all. No need to bargain, if you don't need to.

you are not the "proscuting team" and you are not even a lawyer, so this is a moot point moogie. but if you were an attorney, you'd know the following:

if you learn about the sentencing guidelines, you will learn that ALL criminal cases are negotiated with lighter sentences prior to going to trial. that's why the book is thrown at you if you go to trial and lose. the federal system is set-up so that 97% of the cases are settled for lighter sentences.

but i'm sure you knew this too, right moogie?

mogel said...

Jbenda: "Mogel is male. "Magoon" is female & Magoon is literally her last name. I have no need or purpose to use different usernames on this blog & my last name is "Gashler". If you read DG Wondering's recent posts within the last day, you would know he refers to me as "Gashler, the liar", so the answer to your question is quite an easy one with a little diligence on your own part.

You see DG Wondering has the advantage over me, because he refers to me by my real name, but never tells me his real name, even though I politely asked once. He responds to me as if he knows me, by calling me by name, however, I assure you, we've never been formally introduced. I think that's almost rude, don't you think? I think maybe he could fit the MO of a stalker, one who makes threats from afar anonomously & in an incognito way.

DG Wondering is scared I guess or he doesn't have the balls or courtesy enough to be honest & disclose fairly & reveal exactly who he is or his role or interest in all of this. That's kind of rude too, don't you think taking on a familiarity that one doesn't earn or deserve?

mogel said...

Justice 777 said: "ALL criminal cases are negotiated with lighter sentences prior to going to trial."
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ALL???????

That's quite a big word you are throwing around.

Traffic Court is "criminal court". I didn't see the Court negotiating with me before trial, the few times I've been to traffic court.

mogel said...

Tycob said: "Guess we will all see soon who was right"
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I must say, "DOUBT becomes you."
I'm an "asshole" because......
You didn't finish your justification. It's not fair to just make an accusation without a justification. Or maybe that's JUST your style to do such.

justice77777777 said...

mogel said...
ALL???????

That's quite a big word you are throwing around.

Traffic Court is "criminal court". I didn't see the Court negotiating with me before trial, the few times I've been to traffic court.

that's right moogie "ALL" federal criminal cases try to negotiate out prior to going to trial, and you knew what i was talking about so don't try to play stupid, because you do a good job naturally.

Tony Tuba said...

justice77777777 said...

that's right moogie "ALL" federal criminal cases try to negotiate out prior to going to trial, and you knew what i was talking about so don't try to play stupid, because you do a good job naturally





What you are talking about justice is part of the plea bargain process, not a settlement. There is a huge difference.

god said...

"What you are talking about justice is part of the plea bargain process, not a settlement. There is a huge difference. "

Exactly right News Update. Ignore this 7777 guy..he doesnt know what he's talkin about. Reading his posts is like reading the comics in the paper.

god said...

He's watchin too much Matlock on tv....LOL!!!!

justice77777777 said...

NEWS UPDATE said...
What you are talking about justice is part of the plea bargain process, not a settlement. There is a huge difference.

well please enlighten us stupid people on the "huge difference", especially since the nov. "settlement hearing" resulted in offers of 15 or 20 years for scott and 25 years for kurt. seems like they both accomplish the same ending to the story, so please indulge us.

kennethowens said...

news update, please tell us the difference, since this is exactly what was offered to settle the case earlier this month.

tcob247 said...

Mogel
"I'm an "asshole" because......
You didn't finish your justification."

No need
Just my opinion
I think we are all entitled to one, right?

You have expressed your opinion of me and I have not asked for YOUR justification

papa_dont_preach said...

Ken I only know you by seeing your testimony on one of Kurt’s videos. Look, when I heard your testimony (as serious as it was - believe me I know), you cracked me up with your demeanor and the conversation you had with your thieving (caught in a lie) bank. We've got a lot in common and I can't wait to meet you and share stories.

Blessings to you and your family, I hope all is well with you now!

dgwondering said...

Hey, liar Gashler I know you all too well. Still haven't been disfellowshipped yet for your scams? Or were you?

tcob247 said...

all not well in Morman land?

mogel said...

DG Wondering said: "Hey, liar Gashler I know you all too well. Still haven't been disfellowshipped yet for your scams? Or were you?"
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Do you know the difference between "disfellowshipped" & "excommunicated"? Last time you asked if I was "excommunicated", or don't you remember? Has senility set in already in your ailing mind?

No to either scenario though since there is no basis for either disfellowship or excommunication. I know an answer to this important question will allow you to sleep much better at night now.

By the way, why do you use nouns as adjectives? "Liar Gashler" is gramatically incorrect just like your false assumptions. Maybe English is your second language?

Ain't you got no proper learning, boy ?????? :o)

mogel said...

Things that make DG Wondering yell Yippie Yo Kya:

1. the nov. "settlement hearing" resulted in offers of 15 or 20 years for scott and 25 years for kurt.

2. Mr. Wondering performed 10 out of 15 correct answers on his English test.

3. Mr. Wondering remembered exactly what he said & was able to recollect it without having to write it down on a piece of paper.

mogel said...

Mr. Wondering would have done better on his spelling exam, however, he cheated & looked on Tycob's paper since one of the spelling questions was: "Spell the word: "Mormon" from the nickname referring to the the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. He thought "Mormons" literally interpreted meant "more of a man", so he spelled it: "Morman". Oh well, his heart was in the right place. You can't blame a man for trying.

Obviously both missed the same question. Mr. Wondering felt cheated because he thought for sure he knew Tycob knew the answer being the religious man he is & his strong background and degrees in theology and "opinion studies".

mogel said...

Justice said: settlement hearing" resulted in offers of 15 or 20 years for scott and 25 years for kurt. seems like they both accomplish the same ending to the story.
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15-25 years sounds like someone put pee in the bargain, hence in Tycobology, it literally means "plea bargain." With a bargain like that, who needs offers? Or is it, "with friends like that, who needs enemies?"

Yea, you're right Justice. I'm sure that offer was so tempting, that the great offer was probably "finalized" the same day the offer was made without any counter offer, but no one knows about it yet. The Defendants are always the last to know these things. Or in the very least this great offer will be the final result of a best "settlement" since it beats a life sentence. How did you get to be so smart?

justice77777777 said...

mogel said...
Yea, you're right Justice. I'm sure that offer was so tempting, that the great offer was probably "finalized" the same day the offer was made without any counter offer, but no one knows about it yet. The Defendants are always the last to know these things. Or in the very least this great offer will be the final result of a best "settlement" since it beats a life sentence. How did you get to be so smart?

maybe you missed the question or trying to deflect it, moogie.

news update, tried to make us stupid people look even more stupid, so we are requesting anyone including you to tell us the difference between "settlement" and "plea bargain", since both resulted in jail terms. so lets try this again.

dgwondering said...

Gashler you're a proven liar so that means you were probably tossed out by the church and are lying about that or you lied when you told your bishop you were an honest person to get your recommend but you probably lied about that too so your lie about having one is just another lie in a whole string of lies. That's the problem with lying, liar. The more you do it the more you have to do it.

Tony Tuba said...

Alright Justice here it goes. Without "giving it away" I will try and explain. Just because there was talk of a plea bargained sentence does not mean Kurt and Scott are guilty. Did they accept the offer of the plea? NO! I'm talking about a settlement. Something offered by the unjustly charged defendants.

mogel said...

Justice said: "news update, tried to make us stupid people look even more stupid, so we are requesting anyone including you to tell us the difference between "settlement" and "plea bargain", since both resulted in jail terms. so lets try this again."
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The main problem I have right now with your question to show the difference is that you are talking in past tense terms.

I don't believe the "settlement" you refer to has happened or been finalized yet. I believe the "plea bargain" has though been proposed & put in writing & signed by at least one party to the agreement & maybe it may very well has also been ratified & accepted by the other party, I can't say for certain. I don't think any of this will result in any long term serious jail time when everything is said & done.