Thursday, November 16, 2006

Let Me Hear You

The prison thugs are tampering with my mail in hopes to disrupt this blog and legal process. It is a byproduct of their frustration. Remember these are cowards we are dealing with. I want to take this opportunity to learn from you. This is a battle of the spirit and the idiots here is only proof of this. Therefore I would like those of you who read but don’t post and those of you who are reluctant to do so as a direct communication to me. I will not be posting for a week so use this time to prayerfully consider what the spirit is telling you and tell me. We have one God with one voice and sometimes we feel like we are the only one hearing it. Let us witness and strengthen each other in God’s word. I don’t tell you all God tells me but I suspect He tells many of you the same things. Though we are the minority on this blog and in this world we have the majority voice with our trusting in God’s word. Pay no attention to the ridicule you’ll receive from the lost and dying and speak as unto a witness in God’s court. It is God’s job to shame His enemies and ours to do the Amening. Let me hear the voice of Christ in you while I get the mail thing worked out. Know that I am honored to share this important ground breaking work with you. Be well and let us bless each other. Upon my return the 11-7 hearing will have taken place. This is a pivotal day that we suspect will take a surprising turn. I’ll update you upon my return.

132 comments:

tcob247 said...

Filed 11/09/2006

ORDER REFERRING HEINEMAN
AND JOHNSON TO
MAGISTRATE JUDGE SPERO
FOR FURTHER CONFERENCE

At the last hearing on November 7, defendants Heineman and Johnson stated that they had signed the proposed plea agreements provided by the government and given them to prison officials to return to the government. The prison officials and the government knew nothing
about this and were ordered to investigate. Meanwhile, to eliminate any question whether defendants have accepted unqualifiedly a plea offer, they are referred again to Magistrate Judge Spero for a further conference where he, if he deems it appropriate, may present written plea
offers from the government. If one or both are to be signed by defendant(s), it should be done in the presence of Judge Spero and AUSA Keller without qualification and the original should be kept by AUSA Keller to bring to any plea change hearing.
IT IS SO ORDERED.

~~The Swami~~~ said...

TCOB , you are faster than a 13 year old with a new Playboy!!!!!!!!!!

tcob247 said...

ahhhhhh...the good ol days

Haze grey- underway said...

Dear Kurt;
I'm responding to your request. Since meeting you in SC in 05 where I first became aware of the fraud in the banking system and the support it receives from the so called, justice system, I have admired both you and Scotts tenacity, belief, and total commitment to right this unparreled wrong. I follow your blog but normally do not review the responses. To me, it's a sad commentary that many of the respondents haven't a clue of what you two have put on the line to help bring this national scandal to an end. My prayers are with you both daily. My joy will be seeing you both free to enjoy the rewards of your battle to defeat this evil that has enslaved this nation. Count me among your strongest supporters. I look forward to meeting you both at the end of this journey.
Ben

justice77777777 said...

Haze grey- underway said...
I look forward to meeting you both at the end of this journey.
Ben

Would your last name happen to be Dover by any chance? Because this is what you hero's will be doing for the next 25 to 30 years.....

For the slow one's out there, Ben Dover

justice77777777 said...
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tcod247 said...

Justice7777777777777:

You know you really have a sick sense of humor. When I was growing up it was called having your mind in the gutter, but then that's the kind of mind the govt likes. It's more easy to blackmail.... It's also a mind that doesn't think for itself and that too is what the govt likes.

"But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned," (Matt. 12:36).

rollerhockey said...

To Kurt and Scott my prayers are with you daily. I feel the spirit will see you threw this with victory!! I also feel this victory is close at hand.....the more positive prayers we send out the sooner this will come to pass. For now Gods speed with all you have in front of you......

Yetter said...

Bloomberg news..Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the largest U.S. mortgage companies, should be stripped of their Federal charters in order to end any threat that their combined $1.4 trillion mortgage portfolios, would destabalize financial markets,St Louis Federal Reserve President William Poole said today."The best solution would be to turn the companies into fully private firms subject to NORMAL MARKET DISCIPLINES and with no special connection to the FEDERAL GOVERMENT" Poole said in a speech at the Cato Institute in Washington.No shit Sherlock, just dump the whole fraud onto the investors and tax payers ala Enron.There can be no market discipline as long as the Federal Reserve injects liquidity from Carribean hedge funds into market sectors at will with the electronic printing press. GODS SPEED SCOTT AND KURT.

justice77777777 said...

tcod247 said...
Justice7777777777777:

You know you really have a sick sense of humor. When I was growing up it was called having your mind in the gutter, but then that's the kind of mind the govt likes. It's more easy to blackmail.... It's also a mind that doesn't think for itself and that too is what the govt likes.

If you only knew how wrong you are, but we will save that for another day......

oksurewhynot said...

"The prison thugs are tampering with my mail in hopes to disrupt this blog and legal process."

NOW WHY WOULD THE "PRISON THUGS" SUDDENLY DISRUPT THE BLOG AFTER ALL THIS TIME? AND WHY WOULD THE FEDS WANT TO DISRUPT THE SELF-REVEALING ESSAYS OF KURT?
They wouldn't. Must be that something else happened. Maybe Fred tried to slip a bottle of lotion larger than 3 ounces into a Dorean DVD case & airmail it. You know how Fed. prisons and Fed. Aviation feel about that kind of stuff!

turboboy said...

why would the fed tamper with mail??? get real,they are trying to stop the flow of information and keep these guys on tight leash.in hops more people will say they were scammed..i know i wasn't scammed.i think alot of people know how deap the scam really is and its not to the toon of 5 million,its in the trillions...we have been duped and these guys are going to root out the crooks..maybe not a good portion of them but some..if they plead guilty to this.and they did what the banks are doing,then isn't what the banks and mortgage company are doing illegal???i say yes.its just someone found out and they are trying to shovel it under the rug...how many people have been paid off may never be known.[the crooks are to good at what they do to get caught]..but the guys still have rights,and as far as i am concerned,they have been convicted before even going to trial..thats not justice,thats weilding power and squahing the masses...hang in there they can only persecute you while your on this planet....i know we are going to win so people need to hang in there..

justice77777777 said...

turboboy said...
....i know we are going to win so people need to hang in there..

You'd better lay off of the red-bull and take some valium or something to come down, turbo; because you are losing it.

son of a prophet said...

"..and they are trying to shovel it under the rug...



aint a rug bif enuf...

well, maybe that guy on tv who wears a toopee.

a toopee?!

KYHOOYA said...

A RIVER OF MONEY



A RIVER OF INTEREST


A RIVER OF TAXES




I HOPE YOU ALL ENJOY YOU HOLIDAY

DON'T FORGET TO HEAR WHAT PEOPLE YOUR GATHERED WITH ARE SAY ABOUT THE TIMES WE LIVE AND THEIR PLITE AND SO THEN YOU MIGHT OVER SOMETHING OF WHAT YOU HAVE LEARNED TO HELP THEM SEE THE LIGHT . ALL IT TAKES IS THE PEOPLE TO STAND IN NUMBERS TO STOP WHAT IS WRONG BUT FIRST YOU HAVE TO GET THE PEOPLE TO SEE IT. EVERY LITTLE BIT HELP'S THAT IF NOT THAT THEY SEE IT HEN AT THE START BUT THEY WILL SEE THING NOW THAT THEIDEA IS IN THEIR HEAD AND HOW THEY MAYBE ARE BEING WRONGED. YOU NEVER KNOW!


AGAIN HAPPY TURKEY DAY TO EVERYONE!

L8R

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"If only you could control all of lifes up's and down's with a tug of a string. then thing's would be easy to change."

Happy holiday's everyone!

Gforce said...

---Yetter---Sounds like the crooks are starting to play the blame game for self-perservation. It is only a matter of time now, and they will be brought to justice. The play book reads the same every time.--James 5

Stillwaiting said...

My question is this. If after all of this time why haven't we been contacted by the Feds/lawyers whomever about us being scammed. Has anone been contacted?
Someone wrote about it only takes a few people to stand up and make them see what is wrong. There are groups all across the US/Canada and probably other countries as well that are doing the samething as K/S. I have said before that I get on a conference call about every other Tuesday night and listen to what the group in Florida and across the country are doing. And the list of other groups goes on and on.
People know or suspect that the mortgages are a sham and we are getting scammed - but by the industry.
I have spent the last four or so years studying this issue and many others to know that the mortgage shell game is BS. But stopping this game and getting restitution might be a long way off. Even these other groups that are trying to cancel mortgages and some have said they have, but won't give you the name of the person that has completed the process. I do know of one woman who has stopped paying, is getting hounded by her mortgage company and her credit report has not reflected the non payments. I think she has stopped for three or four months now.
If some of you think that all of this that K/S are doing is BS and going nowhere answer me this. Why do you continue to blog here? What makes you come back? To ridicule? Put people down? I don't get it. Maybe somebody can explain it to me. Until then...
Have a nice Thanksgiving - Stillwaiting........

Pauligirl said...

oksurewhynot said...
"The prison thugs are tampering with my mail in hopes to disrupt this blog and legal process."

______________________
Here's why....

http://paulag.home.coastalnet.com
/KUBITZNOV7.pdf

tcob247 said...

Very interesting reading.

Those are two real nut jobs

Very delusional

Make that 3 (Dr.Fred)

neodemes said...
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neodemes said...

Clickable link:

http://paulag.home.coastalnet.com/KUBITZNOV7.pdf

Have a Happy Thanksgiving, y'all.

mogel said...

Misuse of telephone or mail privileges?

How do you do that as a prisoner?

son of a prophet said...

interesting article in todays arctic beacon....

Nov. 18, 2006

www.arcticbeacon.com

tcob247 said...

mogel said...
Misuse of telephone or mail privileges?

How do you do that as a prisoner?



Leave it to those two, they will find a way

How about using the jail computer to print out $72 million checks (or whatever the number is)

Or how about DR. Fred sending letters to the guy they think or want as an attorney telling him how they want their case done

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

whatdoyoumean said...

The answer I received when praying about participating in the Dorean Group was "take the land".

I continue to have peace about my decision, through much prayer I have never been told anything else. I know that victory is certain.

It is the devil that brings fear, doubt, unbelief. I choose to beleive the Lord.

watcher said...

right, and dont forget how the white man stole the Indians land in the name of your "Lord"

son of a prophet said...

"...right, and dont forget how the white man stole the Indians land in the name of your "Lord"


rember, there are real christians and fake ones just like everything else on this planet.


real christians would not have done that, just like real christians dont go to iraq and kill there either. fake ones do.
but dont tell the churches this, they wont beleive you.

mogel said...

Tycob said: "Leave it to those two, they will find a way

How about using the jail computer to print out $72 million checks (or whatever the number is)
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IF IT WAS LEGALLY WRONG TO DO THAT, & CONSTITUTES BANK FRAUD, THEN, WHY CAN'T THE COURT JUST CHARGE THEM WITH AN APPROPRIATE CHARGE ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER INAPPROPRIATE CHARGES THEY ALREADY HAVE? COURSE IF THEY TAKE THE BAIT & DO THAT, DON'T THEY ALSO HAVE TO DROP ALL OF THE OTHER 68 COUNTS TOO? THE COURT DIDN'T CHARGE THEM WITH ANY ADDITIONAL CHARGES BY THEIR PRINTING ACTIONS, DID THEY? WHY NOT?

WHY IS IT THE JAILS RESPONSIBILITY TO BE THE JUDGE & JURROR & EXECUTE PUNISHMENTS AT WILL? DON'T YOU THINK THAT KURT & SCOTT & DR. FRED ARE JUST ONLY SHOWING THE COURT & THE PRISON SYSTEM WHAT A BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES THEY ALL ARE BY DOREAN'S CLEVER ACTIONS? SO YOU THINK CLEVER PEOPLE SHOULD BE PUNISHED? THEN LET'S PUNISH ALL CLEVER PEOPLE BY THE SAME STANDARDS, INCLUDING THE BANKERS, JUDGES, & PRISON OFFICIALS WITH THE SAME STANDARDS OF JUDGMENT. OR IS THAT TOO DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND?
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Or how about DR. Fred sending letters to the guy they think or want as an attorney telling him how they want their case done.
________________________________
SO YOU THINK THAT THE DOREAN GROUP WANTS KUBITZ AS THEIR ATTORNEY AS IF THAT IS THEIR BEST & FREE CHOICE? DIDN'T THE DOREAN GROUP FROM THE VERY BEGINNING DECLARE THEY WERE REPRESENTING THEMSELVES? SO YOU THINK THAT KUBITZ WOULD ACT IN THEIR BEST INTEREST, BEING THEIR CAPTOR'S SUPERVISOR, ALTHOUGH HE ACTS AS AN THEIR ATTORNEY WHEN HE INTERFERS OR CONTROLS THEIR AFFAIRS, OR THEIR BARGAINING POSITION? NOT TO MENTION, THE DOREAN GROUP CONFIRMED THAT ATTORNEY-CLIENT RELATIONSHIP THROUGH THE PRINCIPALS OF ESTOPPEL. NOW KUBITZ IS PISSED BECAUSE HE WAS CAUGHT IN A COMPROMISING POSITION & HAS EGG ON HIS FACE. EITHER WAY YOU LOOK AT THIS ISSUE, KUTITZ IS SCREWED. IN THE VERY LEAST, THE DOREAN GROUP HAS DAMAGES AGAINST KUBITZ. NOW KUBITZ IS RETALIATING TOO AGAINST THE DOREAN GROUP BY HIS ACTIONS OF PUNISHMENT. HE'S ONLY PROVING THAT HE'S NOT TOO BRIGHT. NOW AFTER ALL OF THIS, KURT HAS BEEN TRANSFERRED TO ANOTHER FACILITY. WHY NOW AFTER ALL OF THIS?

MAN IF THAT ISN'T A CONFLICT OF INTEREST FOR KUBITZ TO BE AN ADVISOR OR ATTORNEY FOR THE DOREAN GROUP, WHAT IS? EVEN AN IDIOT CAN SEE THAT? COURSE KUBITZ BEING AN IDIOT & A HYPOCRITE TOO, COULDN'T FIGURE THAT OUT, SO HE FELT COMPELLED TO MAKE A COURT FILING ATTEMPTING TO REMOVE ANY DOUBT, ASSUMING THERE WAS DOUBT IN THE FIRST PLACE BY OTHERS IN THE FIRST PLACE BY HIM OR OTHERS? LOL

IF YOU THINK KURT IS THAT NAIVE, TO NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HE IS DOING & THE IMPLICATIONS OF HIS ACTIONS, THEN, WHO IS THE ONE BEING PLAYED HERE?

NOW WHO IS THE ONE NOT WILLING TO FACE REALITY IF YOU THINK THE WAY YOU DO? LOL

I'LL LEAVE IT TO YOU TO FIGURE OUT A WAY, ANY WAY, OR RESPONSE TO PUT DOWN KURT & SCOTT OR DR. FRED & TO ATTRIBUTE THEM WITH SOMETHING THAT IS CONSIDERED TO BE DEROGATORY. AFTER ALL, THAT SEEMS TO BE YOUR JOB, IS IT NOT? A MAN IS WORTHY OF HIS HIRE. WHAT IS YOUR PAY RATE OR WHAT IS YOUR CONCESSION OR "PAYOLA"? I HOPE YOU AREN'T SELLING YOURSELF SHORT & BEING CHEAP WITH YOUR TIME. LOL

complainers suck said...

Mogel,

You are in for such a rude awakening when all is said and done.

For the love of god, can you really be this naive? I mean you can hope and pray that this thing turns out the way you'd hope, but you really can't be stupid enough to believe that this thing is going to end on a positive note for the defendants.

Tobias has already plead guilty, there are people that lost homes, when told to stop paying their mortgage by TDG, and then told to hire an attorney at their own expense on top of that. Then you have people who lost their homes after they completed a re-fi and gave away 75% of the profits. When these people take the stand, look out! Who knows what the other defendants will end of doing? The court record clearly shows the disposition of this case, but you fail to acknowledge the true disposition, and keep proclaiming things that will never happen. The only story you are getting is a prayer request and updates from a delusional Dr. Fred.

With all these elements, this thing will not just "go away", and if you believe for one moment it will, you deserve to be a co-defendant.

Pauligirl said...

mogel said...
IF IT WAS LEGALLY WRONG...
---------------
Either you did not read the court documents, or you didn't understand them.

P

Gforce said...

---WHATDOYOUMEAN---I agree with you. The Israelites had to go fight for and possess the land and God helped them achieve total victory when they fully obeyed. We are also possessing the land and God is helping us. We would just like it to happen a little quicker, but, whatever, we still are the winners.

whataboutjere said...

So Complainers Suck, does this mean that Dr. Fred has dragged us along this past year an a half lying about an immenent settlement just to keep other clients from filing a claim against Kurt and Scott?

What about the Libo group and their process, you know, the ones who took over the bond Kurt was using? Are you saying that their process to obtain a judgement against the bank illegal like how Kurt and Scott used the notorial process to obtain the judgement that apparently some banks walked away from?

complainers suck said...

whataboutjere said...
So Complainers Suck, does this mean that Dr. Fred has dragged us along this past year an a half lying about an immenent settlement just to keep other clients from filing a claim against Kurt and Scott?

What about the Libo group and their process, you know, the ones who took over the bond Kurt was using? Are you saying that their process to obtain a judgement against the bank illegal like how Kurt and Scott used the notorial process to obtain the judgement that apparently some banks walked away from?

The settlements were NEVER close to fruition once the two principles were arrested, for reasons I have previously stated. No one is going to buy paper from an entity that is on trial for fraud, due to the means is which the paper was obtained. Now, if the they are acquitted, it's absolutely a possiblity, but since May of last year, never close to happening, so I would say yes, it has been a lie. I have said that the group in receivership must be involved, and they are not and never have been, since the arrest. Now, Mogel will try and counter again with "agency". That's great. However, to establish agency, you have to notify the party, and the party has not, so this is not an option in this instance.

As for the by-product of dorean, the bond that was issued to Kurt was only good for two years, and I think it expired Jan or Feb this year, so they were a short-lived operation to begin with. Once the principles were arrested, and things really got heated up, lie-bo just faded away, most likely for fear of sitting next to the other defendants, once the scope of the investigation expanded to bring in brokers, and I wouldn't be surprised one bit if more get dragged in before it's all said and done.

I wish more than any that they are all acquitted in the end, just like the other pro tdg people, but you all cannot be so naive as to believe all of this propaganda Mogel and the like are putting out there. The court record does not lie, but what you are getting from Mogel and even Kurt, surely does not coincide with what's really going on if you look at the court record objectively.

Everything I am saying is from what I read in the court record, not opinion, or what I believe will happen. So until this case is decided one way or the other, I would stop this insanity in believing all is well with this case, because a smart and un-biased person will tell you differently, like I am trying to do, so people do not come off looking any more pathetic than some are already.

whataboutjere said...

So, from what you said about the settlements NEVER being close, you are saying that Mogel lied when he said that last Sept./Oct. there were buyers for this paper at 7 cents on the dollar and Mogel knew who the people were who went to attempt to sell them. He also said that Kurt and Scott didn't want to sell them for so cheap because they were worth more.

You are wrong about li-bo fading away CS, they still hold conference calls four times a week, still talk about using a bond, but they still dont have proof that their process works and their payouts keep being pushed into the future. But, they do have proof that their credit card challenge works.

tcob247 said...

Fire up the grill

LOL

mogel said...

Complainers Suck said: "Once the principles were arrested, and things really got heated up, lie-bo just faded away, most likely for fear of sitting next to the other defendants,"
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That's simply not true.

mogel said...

Complainers Suck said: "The settlements were NEVER close to fruition once the two principles were arrested, for reasons I have previously stated. No one is going to buy paper from an entity that is on trial for fraud,"
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Why can't the government settle all of this by a financial payout? If it's true that the government & court are protecting the bankers interests, then, there is someone with authority and agency that is willing to settle this outside of the Court. Or maybe you don't believe any conspiracy exists? If a conspiracy exists, or if lending is a fraud on it's face, then, they have more to fear than we do.

So what do you think is so fraudulent about the process anyway that the Court is going to be able to prove, assuming a trial happens? Are you an expert on the UCC code? Has the court even discussed the UCC in the court records you claim to be an authority on that seems so plain to you as it's meaning & implications?

Do you think Kurt's offer of 80 billion to the Secretary of the Treasurer was a waste of time & that this offer to settle was not made in good faith & that the default of all the lenders aren't valuable & that this is just all a bad joke?

Since when does something valuable become instantaneously worthless, just by a prosecuting attorney filing bogus charges that up until even now are not even proven, but only indictments?

Even before the arrest & indictments there were several options being considered of fulfilling original promises to clients. You are only looking at one avenue and seemingly saying because that avenue was not fulfilled timely, that there is no hope for redress to clients because in the end things will not turn out well & a rude awakening will happen of gloom & doom.

Wouldn't it have been easier from a logistical standpoint to charge all Brokers all at the same time? Or maybe you are suggesting more trials & new case numbers don't the road & even more money & more investigations spent by the government? Every month that goes by with NO more additional Defendants, just makes one think that the government isn't serious about doing what you are suggesting.

Tony Tuba said...

Isnt it obvious that complainers suck is lecompte? I remember when he said lie bo last year on his web site. Its bad enough lecompte signed us up for something that didnt work now he says it wont work. Which is it? The spill we heard before we spent our money to sign up with you or this new found knowledge of certain doom?

mogel said...

whataboutjere said...
So Complainers Suck, does this mean that Dr. Fred has dragged us along this past year an a half lying about an immenent settlement just to keep other clients from filing a claim against Kurt and Scott?
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One can't even make a convincing argument that this is the motivation either. What is more frightening, a civil case or a criminal case? The Dorean Group has already lost 10 Civil Cases against the banks & were financially penalized. Did the banks COLLECT on their judgment of attorney fees that were awarded to them in a judgment? If they haven't collected, is it reasonable to assume that a client being less sophisticated can?

Obviously in a criminal case there is more at stake because that could mean a long jail sentence, rather than a Civil case that could mean nothing more than obtaining a judgment you can't collect on or don't have the resources to do so. As far as being sued many times over by many clients or losing a civil case, that doesn't seem to be an issue either. The FBI already confiscated whatever easily obtainable assets that were available to take anyway from the Dorean Group. Even the FBI can't seize overseas assets that are out of their jurisdiction, so how do you think a client could do that with much less experience & much less power, & that even assumes one can even get a civil judgment in the first place. There was one client that already received a judgment against the Dorean Group while they were in jail that they obtained through Dorean's default. Did they collect anything? I don't think they have. They spent alot in attorney fees I'm sure, so probably at this point in time, that client is in the hole. Not only that, this client won't participate in any settlement down the road, so has he really done the smart thing?

Does Kurt seem to even fear this criminal case? Hasn't he said many times over, that filing a criminal case would be the worst mistake that could be made for the interests of the banks? If he fears this criminal case, where is the evidence of such?

Didn't Kurt say that the prosecuting attorney needs the sob stories of clients to futher his points & plan & didn't Kurt even post his contact information for clients that wanted to complain & tell their story? That doesn't sound like someone that is trying to mislead clients from purusing any legal remedies they feel they are entitled to.

Didn't Ron Goldman obtain a huge multi-million dollar judgment in a Civil case against O.J. Simpson for the murder of his son? How successful has he been in executing & collecting on this judgment against OJ Simpson? Who would you rather try to collect on, OJ Simpson, or the Dorean Group? Didn't one person of the Dorean Group file bankruptcy? Is that a target you would like to go against, someone with no assets? Besides do you think a company that specializes in asset protection would put themselves in a position where they become a target?

Yea, fear of civil prosecution is the motivation because it makes so much sense. LOL

So if deception isn't the motivation of the Dorean Group, could it be that telling the truth, fighting a cause & believing in a vision & working for the clients best interests is?

mogel said...

Stop the bullshit said: "Isnt it obvious that complainers suck is lecompte? I remember when he said lie bo last year on his web site. Its bad enough lecompte signed us up for something that didnt work now he says it wont work. Which is it? The spill we heard before we spent our money to sign up with you or this new found knowledge of certain doom?
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If you are really curious, just ask Complainers Suck to deny that "Complainers Suck" is Lecompte & see what "Complainers Suck" says!! How will Complainers Suck respond? Will he deny the accusation? Will he ignore the accusation? Will he admit the accusation? Will he try to put you down with inflammatory words & judgments against you personally? Will he scoff & laugh at your accusation and call you names & attack other people?

I guess the real question is: Did LeCompte believe the Dorean process when he signed you up? The next question is: Does he believe it now? If he doesn't believe it will work now, is it because he has lost the faith? Is it a faith issue, or is it an integrity & honesty issue?

Certainly you are not suggesting that he INTENTIONALLY deceived you, & knew this all along, are you?

Doesn't a person have a right to change his mind how he feels about something assuming that person receives more knowlege he believes to be true? Besides is your faith IN the process, or is your faith in an indicted Broker who MAY now have different interests than you have, & this assumes that you are correct in saying that Lecompte is "Complainers Suck". After all, "who is to say how some people may react on the stand" is the very words of "Complainers Suck". Who exactly do we need to fear who may testify in a bad light or who has already made up their mind to do so?

This "new found knowledge" is not new. Dorean Clients have lost their homes through foreclosure for a long time now, even Scott lost his home, the UCC liens were transferred to another entity also long before there were any indictments, long before "Complainers Suck" decided to flagrantly complain as he does now. How can "Complainers Suck" justify gloom & doom when there isn't even a trial set at this point in time & especially when there are positive signs a settlement can happen & a trial possibly dismissed soon?

Don't you think it's the indictments and the Court B.S. that has caused a change of heart or a change of zeal & a changed perspective in the mind of "Complainers Suck"? Is fear the motivator of a changed perspective? Or maybe the timing is just a coincidence as things come to wind down to a close & the prosecution TURNS UP THE HEAT.

complainers suck said...

stop the bullshit said...
Isnt it obvious that complainers suck is lecompte? I remember when he said lie bo last year on his web site. Its bad enough lecompte signed us up for something that didnt work now he says it wont work. Which is it? The spill we heard before we spent our money to sign up with you or this new found knowledge of certain doom?

Is he the only person that knows anything about what is going on outside of this blog? All you need to do is your homework outside of what is posted here, and you'll get most of your answers, without "bs" of either side. I lost a house due to the process, but you don't see me pointing fingers at any of the defendants, because I made my own choices, just like you so signed up, and no you didn't sign up through me, so as usual, another wrong assumption on this blog.

complainers suck said...

whataboutjere said...
So, from what you said about the settlements NEVER being close, you are saying that Mogel lied when he said that last Sept./Oct. there were buyers for this paper at 7 cents on the dollar and Mogel knew who the people were who went to attempt to sell them. He also said that Kurt and Scott didn't want to sell them for so cheap because they were worth more.

You are wrong about li-bo fading away CS, they still hold conference calls four times a week, still talk about using a bond, but they still dont have proof that their process works and their payouts keep being pushed into the future. But, they do have proof that their credit card challenge works.

Those buyers backed out because of the reason I stated previously, ans since that time, there were no serious buyers.

You obviously know more than I do, because I didn't know whether they were still in business or not (but I bet lecompte knows "bs") on a definitive basis, and there are quite a few cc elimination companies out there in addition to them. However, one thing I know for sure, is that if they are still pushing the mortgage program, and saying they have that bond, they are lying to everyone. The validity of that bond is expired and no longer valid for use by anyone.

complainers suck said...

mogel said...
This "new found knowledge" is not new. Dorean Clients have lost their homes through foreclosure for a long time now, even Scott lost his home, the UCC liens were transferred to another entity also long before there were any indictments, long before "Complainers Suck" decided to flagrantly complain as he does now. How can "Complainers Suck" justify gloom & doom when there isn't even a trial set at this point in time & especially when there are positive signs a settlement can happen & a trial possibly dismissed soon?

I can't justify anything. But there are a myriad of damaged people that will not just go away, along with this case. The only way there will be any final conclusion will be through a trial, and this trial will have a lot of witnesses with stories that will not sit well with a jury. But as in any court case, there could be an acquittal, and at that point, there could be monetary awards through damages sought, in addition to selling judgments.

KYHOOYA said...

complainers suck said...

I lost a house due to the process, but you don't see me pointing fingers at any of the defendants, because I made my own choices, just like you so signed up, and no you didn't sign up through me, so as usual, another wrong assumption on this blog.

12:07 AM
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Here! here!
I can't beleive my eyes.
Someone with enough integrity and honor to speak the truth.

My hat goes off to you! These simple yet words you have posted here put you in a class of your own.

You now hold the title for being the first and only one that has taken the time see the real facts.
When you lost your house it was nothing short of devastating and demoralizing to say the least but with human nature against you in this regard you have managed to do the one thing that know one elde here has. That being you may ask?


YOU HAVE TAKEN THE STAND UP POSISION AND THE ONE THAT EARNS YOU THE RIGHT TO HEAR IT THAT IS TO A PAT ON THE BACK FOR TAKING THE:

*****RESPONSIBILITY******
****FOR YOUR ACTIONS*****

All without pionting your finger at anyone to say they were the ones that did it.

Congragulations!

Along with that my respect Sir.

If that mean's anything here or not who know's! Anyrate, you have it!

It's not alway's easy to be a 'Stand Up' kinda person when something knocks you down.
WELL DONE!

L8R.\'''''''''o
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Have fun with the one that matter the most to you, and enjoy your holiday everyone!

Happy Gobble! Gobble! day!

try2brealistic said...

millions of dollars of clients money is hardly called having no assets.

elton john filed for bankruptcy also, and still had 15 houses and (estates) and assets tucked away.

if you really think the govt cant do anything about having funds overseas,
you would be surprised and bewildered what the govt can do when having other countries govt shut down and sieze bank accounts when they are shown the ppl involved did it to deceive others. ppl, corp, or trusts accounts doesnt matter. can and has been done many times, even with offshore trust bank accounts. jurisdiction becomes moot, when the hosting govt is shown what the principle has been allegedly doing if laundering or fraud is suspected. mind you in this case they have already lost court cases and that can be used.

i have first hand knowledge of an offshore trust being siezed in panama, whose trustees also 'assumed' were untouchable by the US.

son of a prophet said...

welcome to communist USA.

YOU CAN NO LONGER HIDE YOUSELF UNDER BED. WE WILL FIND YOU!
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They've become a fixture in the skies over Iraq and Afghanistan, a new breed of unmanned aircraft operated with remote controls by "pilots" sitting in virtual cockpits many miles away.
But the Air Force's Global Hawk has never flown a mission over the United States.

That is set to change Monday, when the first Global Hawk is scheduled to land at Beale Air Force Base in northern California.

"This landmark flight has historic implications since it's the first time a Global Hawk has not only flown from Beale, but anywhere in the United States on an official Air Combat Command mission," base spokesman Capt. Michael Andrews said in a statement.

Beale-based pilots are flying the drones daily on combat missions in the Middle East, Andrews said. The planes are operated by four-person crews from virtual cockpits the size of shipping containers.

The planes are designed to fly at high altitudes for 40 hour-missions covering as much as 10,000 miles, mostly providing aerial surveillance. The aircraft, which can cost more than $80 million each, can reach an altitude of 65,000 feet and send back high-resolution imagery.

The Hawks are among a growing fleet of unmanned aircraft that also includes the missile-carrying Predators and five-pound Ravens that are small enough to be carried in soldiers' backpacks.

Beale is to have seven Global Hawks by 2009. It is currently the only U.S. base with the drones. Eventually the Air Force's fleet will include 54 of the Global Hawks, but most will be based overseas.

mogel said...

Try to Be realistic said: "millions of dollars of clients money is hardly called having no assets."

ASSETS ARE MEANINGLESS IF YOU CAN'T TOUCH THEM AS A CREDITOR. OJ SIMPSON HAS A PENSION FUND THAT PAYS BIG BUCKS FROM HIS FOOTBALL DAYS BUT'S IT'S UNTOUCHABLE. ALSO WHY DO YOU THINK HE MOVED TO FLORIDA FROM CA? IT ENABLES HIM TO OBTAIN ANOTHER LAYER OF PROTECTION AGAINST CREDITORS.

elton john filed for bankruptcy also, and still had 15 houses and (estates) and assets tucked away.

THAT'S BECAUSE PERSONAL BANKRUPTCY DOESN'T AFFECT ASSETS TITLED IN OTHER LEGAL ENTITIES.

if you really think the govt cant do anything about having funds overseas,
you would be surprised and bewildered what the govt can do when having other countries govt shut down and sieze bank accounts when they are shown the ppl involved did it to deceive others.

THIS HASN'T BEEN SHOWN, SO KEEP DREAMING ON. WHERE IS THE DECEPTION?

ppl, corp, or trusts accounts doesnt matter. can and has been done many times, even with offshore trust bank accounts. jurisdiction becomes moot, when the hosting govt is shown what the principle has been allegedly doing if laundering or fraud is suspected.

KURT & SCOTT AREN'T CHARGED WITH LAUNDERING DOOFUS!!!!! JURISDICTION ISN'T MOOT. HAS BILL JULIAN BEEN EXTRADITED? ALLEGEDLY? SUSPECTED? SO HOW DOES THIS APPLY TO THE DOREAN GROUP?

mind you in this case they have already lost court cases and that can be used.

DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO BACK THAT UP?

i have first hand knowledge of an offshore trust being siezed in panama, whose trustees also 'assumed' were untouchable by the US.

BY ALL MEANS SHARE IT THEN & THE CIRCUMSTANCES INVOLVED. WAS THIS OFFSHORE TRUST BASED UPON FLAGRANT LIES? IF SO, IT DOESN'T APPLY TO THE DISCUSSION AT HAND.

mogel said...

Complainers Suck said: "The only way there will be any final conclusion will be through a trial,"
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I don't agree with that.

mogel said...

"mind you in this case they have already lost court cases and that can be used."
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And it can be used that the civil court cases that were lost by Dorean were based upon lies to show the conspiracy that exists between the government/court and banks.

Apparently that's why Julian hasn't been extradited.

mogel said...

Complainers Suck said: "I can't justify anything."
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You justified that the bond is no longer valid & seem to be absolutely sure about that due to the time frame of the bond's validity.

Course, is it possible that your justification is based upon misinformation given to you or intentional deception by someone for whatever perceived worthy reasons?

Is information good to have if someone takes that information & uses it as a weapon to wrongfully hurt people? Are you always totally honest with a formidable enemy? Should you be?

complainers suck said...

mogel said...
You justified that the bond is no longer valid & seem to be absolutely sure about that due to the time frame of the bond's validity.

I was speaking of "gloom and doom" only, Mogel.

whataboutjere said...

Mogel, why are you addressing your questions to me? I was asking CS if the dr fred thing was what HE was saying. Try to keep up.

mogel said...

"..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.." - Samuel Adams

"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root." -- Henry David Thoreau

mogel said...

The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." James 5:16 "Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not." Jeremiah 33:3

try2brealistic said...

mogel, I know where you are going with all of your words.

and I will sum it all up for you here:

1.There is what should be legally adhered to per law (and I agree with you),
2.and there is reality. which one do you think the govt's side with?

Laundering is NOT the only charge the US has to show to seize a account. Doofus, dont speak without experience, as you operate in.

Regardless, the US can and has 'created' charges on ppl they want, AND the hosting Govt does not require the US to prove them first to seize accounts, even though they 'should' require proof as you like to think, reality differs.

further, regardless of legal entity and transfering of ANY titles of ANY property and accounts, if Dorean created ANY TRUST or legal entity in a different name, including Foundations and Grants, if you have any knowledge of such, near the time of said investigations, they can be seized before they have to be proved to another govt. Dont be so naive to think that you can create a trust from ANY pile of assets and change legal entity and go offshore and all is well just because it is in another name.

The incident I referred to included a offshore trust that had many layers of protection (3 trusts deep) (with more transferring of legal entity of each trust) they backtracked to near the time of the alleged 'charges' and they grabbed ALL of the trusts. yes they did. though all of the charges wer not proven at trial, that is really not the point is it, the point is they can grab it first and prove later. it has happened, I seen it. 15 ppl were involved.

extra note for you: because the host govt of the offshore trust cooperated with nothing more than a unproven 'charge' from the US, the group damaged is trying to collect restitution from the Panama Govt now. that is a uphill battle , but possible, it is still ongoing, from 5 years ago.

the point is, the assets of the clients are not so easily put in anothers name and protected form any and everything. dont think it is just like that.

Oj Simpsons lifelong assets, and ANY group putting anything in a trusts name right before a investigation, is as different as night and day, go charge up your credit cards right before a bankruptcy filing and hear what the judge has to tell you, then you will see the situation clearer.

regardless of whose name it is in.

complainers suck said...

try2brealistic said...
1.There is what should be legally adhered to per law (and I agree with you),
2.and there is reality. which one do you think the govt's side with?

Thank the "Patriot Act" for this tactic. You see, if foreign entities want to deal in USD currency, they need to adhere to the Patriot Act, and if the US gov't decides to pursue things outside of the US and this location wants to continue dealing in USD currency, who's side do you think they will fall in line with?

Tony Tuba said...

11/19/06 - Very SAD news. It has been learned over the weekend that Mr. Mike Barnett passed away from a heart attack on Thursday morning. It was announced on the last update call, Wednesday, that he was sick with the flu. His wife was present and sister had just flown in to visit when he passed away that same day. They are in the process of transporting his body back to the states to his family for burial this week. Everyone at CSI sends their condolences to Debby and the rest of the Barnett family. Mike Barnett was a tireless worker and passionate about bringing CSI to fruition. The stress of all of the pressure involved in so many aspects of this surely played a role in his demise.
Everyone is very stunned and sad. However many questions as to the funding are obvious. Please do not send emails asking for details. As information comes in, it will be posted. Mr. Barnett had stated on previous calls that if something happened to him, the funding process was in place and would continue. A new contact person needs to be obtained so that you and all members are kept up to date. Please be patient while arrangements are made.
Stay tuned here to your Home page for printed or possible recorded updates. As for this week, all of our thoughts, prayers and best wishes go out to Debby and the rest of Mike's family, who are dealing with their great loss.

mogel said...

Try to be Realistic said: "1.There is what should be legally adhered to per law (and I agree with you),
2.and there is reality. which one do you think the govt's side with?"

I THINK CHOICE #3 IS THE RIGHT ANSWER: NONE OF THE ABOVE.

Laundering is NOT the only charge the US has to show to seize a account. Doofus, dont speak without experience, as you operate in.

THEN I WILL ONLY SUGGEST THAT YOU BROUGHT UP "LAUNDERING" AS AN IRRELEVANT ISSUE IN THE DISCUSSION. MAYBE YOU WANT TO INCLUDE PROSTITUTION AS A CHARGE TOO? I'M SURE YOU HAVE MUCH EXPERIENCE IN BRINGING UP IRRLEVANT ISSUES.

Regardless, the US can and has 'created' charges on ppl they want, AND the hosting Govt does not require the US to prove them first to seize accounts, even though they 'should' require proof as you like to think, reality differs.

SO WHY HAVEN'T THEY SEIZED ANY OFFSHORE ACCOUNTS OF DOREAN THEN? YEA, MERE SUSPICION IS A GREAT REASON TO SCREW WITH SOMEONE'S FINANCIAL LIFE. IF A DOMESTIC GOVERNMENT OR A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT WANT TO SET THEMSELVES UP TO BE FOR DAMAGES, THAT'S THEIR PROBLEM TOO. JUST BECAUSE A GOVERNMENT DOES SOMETHING DOESN'T INDEMNIFY THEM OR RELEASE THEIR ACCOUNTABILITY TOO OF THEIR WILLFUL & MALICIOUS ACTIONS & THE PERSONAL DAMAGES INFLICTED.


further, regardless of legal entity and transfering of ANY titles of ANY property and accounts, if Dorean created ANY TRUST or legal entity in a different name, including Foundations and Grants, if you have any knowledge of such, near the time of said investigations, they can be seized before they have to be proved to another govt. Dont be so naive to think that you can create a trust from ANY pile of assets and change legal entity and go offshore and all is well just because it is in another name.

AS LONG AS NO FRAUD IS INVOLVED, YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU LIKE.

The incident I referred to included a offshore trust that had many layers of protection (3 trusts deep) (with more transferring of legal entity of each trust) they backtracked to near the time of the alleged 'charges' and they grabbed ALL of the trusts. yes they did. though all of the charges wer not proven at trial, that is really not the point is it, the point is they can grab it first and prove later. it has happened, I seen it. 15 ppl were involved.

WELL I HOPE THE PEOPLE/GOVERNMENTS THAT TOOK THOSE ACCOUNTS ON A GUESS, IF LATER IT IS PROVEN THAT THEIR ACTIONS WERE INAPPROPRIATE DONE, I HOPE THEY ARE PUNISHED 3 FOLD FOR THEIR WRONGFUL ACTIONS & THEY SHOULD BE.

extra note for you: because the host govt of the offshore trust cooperated with nothing more than a unproven 'charge' from the US, the group damaged is trying to collect restitution from the Panama Govt now. that is a uphill battle , but possible, it is still ongoing, from 5 years ago.

I SUSPECT THERE IS ALOT MORE TO THE STORY THAN EVEN YOU KNOW OR ARE TELLING.

the point is, the assets of the clients are not so easily put in anothers name and protected form any and everything. dont think it is just like that.

I'M SURE THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO EVERY NORM.

Oj Simpsons lifelong assets, and ANY group putting anything in a trusts name right before a investigation, is as different as night and day, go charge up your credit cards right before a bankruptcy filing and hear what the judge has to tell you, then you will see the situation clearer.

I REALIZE THE TIMING AND INTENT OF TRANSFERS IS A KEY ELEMENT IN DETERMINING WHETHER FRAUD EXISTS. WITH OJ POSSIBLY TRANSFERS TOOK PLACE AFTER THE GOLDMAN'S JUDGMENT WAS ENTERED.

mogel said...

Anyone seen any obtituaries about Mike Barnett? Anyone know what newspaper that will be published in? Either he did pass away, or he definitely doesn't want to be found anymore & has given up his causes. I guess leaving the mainland of the U.S. not too long ago, was his first step in ignorning issues and people. His legacy will be one of many failures & broken promises and unhappy clients, & according to the MN Attorney General many mispresentations. People in death usually seem to come out looking like a Saint though.
I hope his declared demise isn't another smoke screen or misrepresentation. I don't mean to be cynical, but how can one know for certain here? After all the authorities were really closing in it seems lately on him, and now he supposedly dies. Coincidence or reality?

Hollywood movies are filled with stories of people that fake death to avoid punishments or to elude being chased from powerful people.

Maybe "Try to be Realistic" knows the truth here? Fact or fiction?

stophidingbhindablogname said...

WOW!

stophidingbhindablogname said...

complainers suck is Ferrel!!!!!

Screw The People With Dishonor said...

stophidingbhindablogname said...
WOW!

isnt this an oxy-moron?

Screw The People With Dishonor said...

Screw The People With Dishonor isnt this an oxy-moron?

on second thought, nah, just moron.

Beavis & Butt-Head said...

stophidingbhindablogname said...
WOW!

....and you should practice what you PREACH-er (no pun intended)

imbigo said...

I dont want to fight with you dude, nor do I intend to go back and foward with you on this blog. You said that you were done posting on this blog, I just think its pretty screwd up that your spitting out all this negetivity NOW!!! and you talk about doing homework and the such. I never claimed to be an expert on these matters but I do tend to have some common sence.

IF I KNEW HOW TO RESPOND TO THE TEXT MESSAGE I WOULD HAVE BUT I JUST GOT MY BLACKBERRY AND HAVE'NT FIGURED IT OUT YET!

P.S. YOU OF ALL PP SHOULD KNOW I DONT SCARE THAT EASY. YOU CAN TELL THE "G-MEN" THAT OR X-MEN WHO EVER!!!

CALL ME IF YOU WISH TO THROUGH OUT ANY MORE THREATS, BUT YOUR THREATS R NOT WELCOMED!!!!!

BIG"O" AKA STOPHIDINGBEHINDABLOGNAME LOL

BIG"O" 1+1+1=1

GOD BLESS YOU ALL

~~The Swami~~~ said...
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Screw The People With Dishonor said...

imbigo said...

BIG"O" AKA STOPHIDINGBEHINDABLOGNAME LOL

pardon me for noticing, but aren't you still doing the same thing?

btw, did you flunk out of the same school as "kyoohy", because both of you sure do speak and spell the same?

or could it be you are having side effects from eating bad crow?

complainers suck said...

imbigo said...
I dont want to fight with you dude, nor do I intend to go back and foward with you on this blog. You said that you were done posting on this blog, I just think its pretty screwd up that your spitting out all this negetivity NOW!!!

Let's just clear the air, "Big O".

1. I am not Farrel.
2. I am a client prior to the brokers.
3. I did lose a house as a result of the process.
4. I am getting fed my information from Farrel, because it makes me sick to read the bs that "mogel" puts out here, Dr. Fred emails.
5. As a result of the lies and wishful thinking going on, I asked if he would respond, and he said that he'd prefer not to communicate to the masses because of bond issues, but would answer what I forwarded if it didn't jeopardize the case.
6. You were at many of the court appearances that Farrel was present for, so tell us about all the times "something special" was going to happen and it turned out to be everyone laughing at Kurt?
7. "Negativity" you say. I respectfullly disagree. It's about time someone puts the truth out there.
8. In referencing "negativity", you surely didn't refute all of these claims as lies, so are you wishing the masses do not get the truth and believe Mogel and Fred's propaganda?

Tony Tuba said...

complainers suck said...

Let's just clear the air, "Big O".

1. I am not Farrel.
2. I am a client prior to the brokers.
3. I did lose a house as a result of the process.
4. I am getting fed my information from Farrel,


Thanks Ferrel for clearing that up.

Screw The People With Dishonor said...

NEWS UPDATE said...
Thanks Ferrel for clearing that up.

nu, is there any reason in particular you decided to leave off the most important part of that post which shows the whats really going on with the case that no one seems to want to tell us?

why is it that the kool-aid drinkers want to move the focus when we are finally getting the truth? One single person has not countered the facts laid down but only wish move right past it and cause some other topic to be the highlight so the reality doesnt set in that the ship is sinking and sinking fast......

Screw The People With Dishonor said...
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Screw The People With Dishonor said...

NEWS UPDATE

is there any reason why you dont want to give us an update about this?

http://www.mortgagefraudblog.
com/index.php/weblog/perma
link/dorean_broker_senten
ced_in_south_carolina/

instead you give us updates about the alleged death of mike barnett, who is another scammer which shows you are probably a career "trying to get something for nothing" person.

will you be providing an update on gran teasley next?

papa_dont_preach said...

Complainers:

Then it's a GOOD thing that Farrel doesn't know EVERYTHING that's going on outside of what the court room/records represent.

By the way, here's some applicable information for you and Farrel, as I indicated previously, the bank I did business with walked away from the table once the judgment had been filed LEGALLY against them nearly two years ago. However, just recently I received an invitation/offer from the same bank being that I was such a VALUABLE customer to participate in a $20,000 line of credit. Those were their written words, not mine.

No need to keep everyone up to date with current events as Pauli wanna cracker's got that market. I would suggest that you visit Nemo's (remember, you used to call him that?), website and pay particular attention to how Nemo was poking fun at your, um Farrel's wife.

Let's not lose focus on/take the attention away from the inherent fraud in the mortgage industry.

Screw The People With Dishonor said...

papa_dont_preach said...
Complainers:

Then it's a GOOD thing that Farrel doesn't know EVERYTHING that's going on outside of what the court room/records represent.

...does what's going on outside of the courtroom really matter? the stuff going on inside of the court room is whats going to be responsible for 25 to life.

papa_dont_preach said...

Thanks for your opinion STPWD, but that's not what I'm talking about. You know, the stuff that's said behind "closed" doors.

Screw The People With Dishonor said...

papa_dont_preach said...
Thanks for your opinion STPWD, but that's not what I'm talking about. You know, the stuff that's said behind "closed" doors.

..since you seem to be expressing your "opinions" as well can i get your opinion of something else?

what will your opinon be if a jury of peers convicts all defendants?

will it be due to the "inherent fraud in the mortgage industry"?

papa_dont_preach said...

STPWID said, "what will your opinon be if a jury of peers convicts all defendants?"

"IF" is the operative word. Problem with your opinion is that you CAN'T replace the operative with "WHEN." MY opinion is that there won't be a trial. Stale Mate. Thanks for sharing your negativity.

Screw The People With Dishonor said...

papa_dont_preach said...
MY opinion is that there won't be a trial. Stale Mate. Thanks for sharing your negativity.

"negativity" is not a sign of mental problems, but thanks for sharing your opinion because it certainly your mental instability.
oh, and since its a "stale mate" once the trial is over ill be back
to remind you to get checked out if you havent been committed yet.

papa_dont_preach said...

STuPWID, yeah, make sure you do come back when it's all over, Imbigo will have some leftover crow for ya.

mogel said...

Screw the People With Dishonor:
A/K/A Farrell too.
Ok, here's a comment in reference to the update for you that you posted that you think Imbigo must comment on. I'll pick up the ball for him:

"Rodney Austin, Tega Cay, South Carolina was given a 10-year suspended sentence and placed on two years probation AFTER PLEADING GUILTY to obtaining a signature or property with a value of more than $5,000 under FALSE PRETENSES."

The key words are highlighted in capitalization so you can realize what is going on so I don't have to comment very much.

After reading the article it's obvious that Mr. Austin is a "rat" since he is agreeing to testify against the Dorean Group after promoting their program as a tried & tested & true program. Not that Mr. Austin will have anything relevant, revealing, or damaging against the Dorean Group to say, but he will at least portray the illusion that he has special information.

Being a "rat" has it's advantages. You get a SUSPENDED SENTENCE & SERVE NO TIME as opposed to spending 10 years in prison that he was original facing.

Also when was it the policy in the Dorean Process to have an agent like Mr. Austin put a clients property in his own name like he did?????? Mr. Austin wasn't a trustee you know.

mogel said...

In that case, the prosecution also charged Mrs. Austin also KNOWING FULL WELL SHE WASN'T INVOLVED IN ANY FRAUD. Guilt by martial relationship? Sounds crazy doesn't it?

The prosecution loves to breed contention, fear, & division EVEN in a martial couple relationship to gain an unfair advantage in getting what they REALLY WANTED: a rat to testify.

These tactics by the prosecution are simply unconscienable, but you must remember it's all a game. It proves without a doubt they'll charge people even if they aren't guilty & knowing full well of that fact. The prosecution team in CA are doing the same game plan again with the indicted Brokers.

habakkuk said...

Mogel said.....

"The prosecution loves to breed contention, fear, & division EVEN in a martial couple relationship to gain an unfair advantage in getting what they REALLY WANTED: a rat to testify.

These tactics by the prosecution are simply unconscienable, but you must remember it's all a game. It proves without a doubt they'll charge people even if they aren't guilty & knowing full well of that fact. The prosecution team in CA are doing the same game plan again with the indicted Brokers. "

Exactly right Mogel....Fear is their #1 weapon....And unless you KNOW the truth and stand on it you will fall underneath their sword of fear every time.

mogel said...

Screw the People with Dishonor said: "...does what's going on outside of the courtroom really matter? the stuff going on inside of the court room is whats going to be responsible for 25 to life."
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Yes, what goes on behind close doors outside the courtroom matters!!! It's what happens behind closed doors, that determines if there will even be a trial or not. If a settlement occurs, a trial that brings in a possibility of jail time BECOMES A MOOT POINT. Duh!!!!!!!

Let's look at history to learn a history lesson. Did even Mr. Austin spend any jail time????
No he did not!!!!

Doesn't sound to me like the prosecution team really wants to put any Agents or Brokers in jail, due to a long sentence now does it?

Heard any news about Mr. Tobias who allegedly pleaded guilty? Isn't no news, probably good news at this point?

dgwondering said...

Gashler the liar said:

"Let's look at history to learn a history lesson. Did even Mr. Austin spend any jail time????
No he did not!!!!
"

No he's just a convicted felon. That's fun to have on your record, idiot.

mogel said...

Complainers Suck said: "6. You were at many of the court appearances that Farrel was present for, so tell us about all the times "something special" was going to happen and it turned out to be everyone laughing at Kurt?"
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EVERYONE laughing??????????

Maybe you would like to choose your words a little more carefully, so you don't come off as having an agenda.

mogel said...

DG Wondering said: "No he's just a convicted felon. That's fun to have on your record, idiot."
________________________________
The issue being discussed was spending time in prison, NOT how others perceive the situation.

If you are concerned about any stigma's, the fact that Mr. Austin was EVEN CHARGED, is enough to have a stigma last a life time.

Mr. Austin was put in a no win situation due to his OWN ACTIONS.

"Fun to have on your record"?
Are you speaking from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE?

mogel said...

Wednesday, October 04, 2006
Dorean Broker Sentenced in South Carolina
Rodney Austin, Tega Cay, South Carolina was given a 10-year suspended sentence and placed on two years probation after pleading guilty to obtaining a signature or property with a value of more than $5,000 under false pretenses. Charges against his wife, Deborah Austin, Tega Cay, South Carolina, were dropped. Austin was charged in connection with his role as a broker for the Dorean Group. According to an article in the Fort Mill Times, the Austins allegedly set up trusts linked to Dorean on three different properties in Tega Cay, South Carolina but were only charged in connection with one of the properties. Both defendants also reportedly agreed to testify against Dale Scott …

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mogel said...

Dorean Broker Sentenced in South Carolina
Rodney Austin, Tega Cay, South Carolina was given a 10-year suspended sentence and placed on two years probation after pleading guilty to obtaining a signature or property with a value of more than $5,000 under false pretenses. Charges against his wife, Deborah Austin, Tega Cay, South Carolina, were dropped. Austin was charged in connection with his role as a broker for the Dorean Group. According to an article in the Fort Mill Times, the Austins allegedly set up trusts linked to Dorean on three different properties in Tega Cay, South Carolina but were only charged in connection with one of the properties. Both defendants also reportedly agreed to testify against Dale Scott Heineman and Kurt Johnson.

Meanwhile, Heineman and Johnson remain in federal custody in the federal correctional institute in Dublin, California where they continue to file documents with interesting names . . . the latest of which is entitled “Notice to fiduciaries, counsel and representatives to settle this account by Dale Scott Heineman.”

After losing the argument that failure to capitalize their names was fatal to the government’s case against them, they filed documents that seemed to claim that they were appointing the jail administrator of the facility in which they are housed as their legal counsel. A declaration filed by the jail administrator denies that he agreed to act in that capacity, stating:

In early August 2006, I received a document . . . from defendants Heineman and Johnson that attempted to create an attorney-client relationship between them and me in the defense of this case. . .At the hearing before Judge Alsup on August 15, 2006, that document was reviewed and declared a nullity. . . I have never represented myself to either defendant Heineman or defendant Johnson as someone who is qualified or able to provide them with legal representation. In fact, BOP regulations would prohibit such a thing, if I was qualified. . . . In today’s mail I received an envelop (sic) addressed to me . . . that contained a letter signed by defendant Heineman and defendant Johnson regarding legal strategy and directors for locating a document for a ‘sight draft’ to be used for financial settlement in their case. . . I have not and do not have any intention to have discussions with these defendants regarding their legal matters. I am not their legal counsel.
The document that was allegedly received by Mr. Kubitz is attached as an exhibit to the declaration.

mogel said...

Is pessimism and fear justified as "Complainers Suck" maintains?
So who are these Interesting names?
Maybe "Complainers Suck" since you know THE TRUTH & WHAT'S GOING ON, THEN, PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US?
The key word is "settle":


"Meanwhile, Heineman and Johnson remain in federal custody in the federal correctional institute in Dublin, California where they continue to file documents with INTERESTING NAMES . . . the latest of which is entitled “Notice to fiduciaries, counsel and representatives to SETTLE this account by Dale Scott Heineman.”

mogel said...

Complainers Suck said: "5. As a result of the lies and wishful thinking going on, I asked if he would respond, and he said that he'd prefer not to communicate to the masses because of bond issues, but would answer what I forwarded if it didn't jeopardize the case."
______________________________
Isn't this an admittance YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON SINCE HE DIDN'T RESPOND TO YOU?

mogel said...

Complainers Suck said:
8. In referencing "negativity", you surely didn't refute all of these claims as lies, so are you wishing the masses do not get the truth and believe Mogel and Fred's propaganda?
___________________________________
So you are saying that the truth is DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED to what I say or Dr. Fred says, yet you secretly wish that you are wrong about your pessimism? That's rich, don't you think?

So do you have something to add that Pauligirl or Nemo, hasn't already said?

mogel said...

Complainers Suck said: 3. I did LOSE A HOUSE as a result of the process.
4. I am getting FED my information FROM FARRELL, because it makes me sick to read the bs that "mogel" puts out here, Dr. Fred emails.
___________________________________
If you lost a house & are getting 2nd hand information, A/K/A heresay, it's kind of hard to be objective here, don't you think?

Getting heresay or 2nd hand information isn't information that you could testify to in a court affidavit as the truth by your own knowlege. It's heresay! It's what you heard or what you are being fed. LOL

Losing a house as a result of the banks bad behaviour not recognizing the legal & valid documents filed by Dorean, might put you in a position already to fear the outcome of the criminal trial & create a bias in your own mind.

mogel said...

Complainers suck said: "I am not Farrel.

ARE YOU SURE YOU DON'T WANT TO RETRACT THAT STATEMENT? DO YOU THINK THERE'S NO ONE ON THIS BLOG THAT MIGHT HAVE EVIDENCE OTHERWISE?

2. I am a client prior to the brokers &

3. I lost my home.

SO WHAT DATE DID YOU OFFICIALLY ENTER THE PROCESS? WHAT WAS THE DATE OF YOUR NOTICE OF DEFAULT FILED? WHAT DATE DID YOU OFFICIALLY LOSE YOUR HOME? DID YOU EVER ATTEMPT TO BRING YOUR DELINQUENCY CURRENT? YOU SEEM TO BE SO INTERESTED IN THE TRUTH, SO LET'S GET THE TRUTH OUT THERE IN THE OPEN FOR ALL TO SEE.

princess said...

MOGEL,
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!!!!!1
Do you ever SHUT UP????

princess said...

Complainers Suck,
I dont know who you really are, nor do I care. Can you PLEASE stop entertaining Mogel's BS; This could go on for days. You both have your own opinions and that has been well stated.YOU WILL NOT AGREE WITH EACH OTHER! Let it go!

mogel said...

Princess: You would probably step in a hornets nest afer disrupting their peace and yell at all the bees to "let it go". "Leave me alone!!!"

Isn't it too late after you've done that?

Besides, didn't you say that you would be quiet until the end & wouldn't be attending this blog until the time that you could say: "I told you so."

You can't even make up your mind what the difference between "BS" is & what "opinions" are. At least you share that in common with "Complainers Suck".

justice77777777 said...

Holy Shit! Mogel, dude you need to either smoke a joint or get laid.

And after you calm down, will you at least go prove everything else wrong, or do you not want to face reality that your idols are up shit's creek?

justice77777777 said...

mogel said...
Let's look at history to learn a history lesson. Did even Mr. Doesn't sound to me like the prosecution team really wants to put any Agents or Brokers in jail, due to a long sentence now does it?

Tell that to Tobias, dumb-ass.

mogel said...

What about Tobias? Do you know something specifically about his plea arrangement?

No you don't!!!

allthiscrap said...

FYI Julian is still in Panama, he was not turned lose, he is still sitting in jail, awaiting to be extradited.

tcob247 said...

I guess the Panama Govt is still watching the DVD

Or maybe they are waiting for Dr Fred to send it to them

Did they pay the $29.95?

~~The Swami~~~ said...

Chinese Proverb:

Man who walk through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok

Yetter said...

Kurt and Scott God Bless. Supporters and bashers
Have a great Thanks giving.

mogel said...

"THE CLAIM AND EXERCISE OF A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT CANNOT BE CONVERTED INTO A CRIME." (Miller vs. US., 230 F 2d 486 at 489.)

This is why the prosecution team against the Dorean Group is wasting their time with the games they are playing.

Here is a good website that talks about the rights of a trust & case law pertaining to trusts & trustees:

www.wealth4freedom.com/wns/case_law.htm

mogel said...

complainers suck said...
Mogel,

You are in for such a rude awakening when all is said and done.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, can you really be this naive?
________________________________
princess said...
MOGEL,
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!!!!!1
Do you ever SHUT UP????
________________________________

How odd that two people, "Complainers Suck" & "Princess" are both concerned about "THE LOVE OF GOD". What's the expression: "Great minds think alike", or is it, "great minds are alike".... "alter egos"?

Princess I think you should change your username to: "Sybil". One alter ego defends the other, one advises the other & uses the same exact words???? Both talk the same talk & use the same words. Kindred spirits???? One tells me I'm naive and one tells me to shut up, all in the name of
"the love of god." How strange.......

Mental instability or incognito cleverness?

mogel said...

"Love" means never having to tell someone to SHUT THE HELL UP, FOR "THE LOVE OF GOD"......

Or maybe this sounds better what what Ryan O'Neil said in the movie, Love Story, or was it his girlfriend that said: "Love means never having to say that you are sorry."

mogel said...

Or maybe this sounds better:

"Love means never having to say:

"I told you so."

...course "what does love have to do with it?" I think I'll make a hit song out of these lyrics. I think I'm on to some universal truth here with this original idea of mine.

habakkuk said...

Mogel posted....

How odd that two people, "Complainers Suck" & "Princess" are both concerned about "THE LOVE OF GOD". What's the expression: "Great minds think alike", or is it, "great minds are alike".... "alter egos"?

Princess I think you should change your username to: "Sybil". One alter ego defends the other, one advises the other & uses the same exact words???? Both talk the same talk & use the same words. Kindred spirits???? One tells me I'm naive and one tells me to shut up, all in the name of
"the love of god." How strange.......

Mental instability or incognito cleverness?
___________________________________

Lol!!! Thats hillarious Mogel.

justice77777777 said...

Moogie, I guess the plenty-of-fish add didn't produce a date for you for Thanksgiving, as you were at it pretty early on a major holiday.

Now you are coming up with conspiracy theories for other people posting, instead of proving all that was said as a lie, which is what your doomed heros have been doing since day 1 that the wheels started falling off of your scam process. So what's the difference between the two? Not a damn thing, you moron.

god said...

Lol!!! I love how this whole thing is playing out. Just as i planned:)

mogel said...

Justice: Do a google search & punch in: "How banks lend money".

You'll get this link:

http://www.masternewmedia.org/news/2005/04/20/the_cost_of_thin_air.htm

Conspiracy theory?

Yea, you're right moron!!!! Google, the biggest search engine on the internet is in cohoots with the lending conspiracy too.

mogel said...

This might be a better link:


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=How+banks+lend+money&btnG=Search

mogel said...

BANKS LEND YOU MONEY THEY DON'T HAVE.

mogel said...

I'm Just an Ass, A/K/A Justice 777: Tell Judge Alsup to click on this link too, since he never did a google search. He must be too busy making up fantasy rulings based upon moronic B.S.

oksurewhynot said...

Boring

Dr Jeff said...

HI,
I am appealing to anyone out there that has any idea how I can proceed. You may remember that I am one of the unfortunate few who was able to refinance only to find that I know have 4 mortgages. Payments are in excess of over 6K per month. I can no longer sustain this massive payment on just one property. I have written Kurt and Scott and Dr. Fred and have heard nothing. Funny how easy it was to get a reply when I asked for wiring instructions to send my 50 % of the refi. Anyways, I am not bitter as it was my decision to enter in. I just wish I had been told that this process had NOT yet been successful and to hang onto my refi funds "just in case!" So, anyone that has any ideas other than, "suck it up, lose your home, and your family and you find a new place to live," please reply promptly.

Thanks!

dgwondering said...

dr jeff, get an attorney, like right now. The third and fourth mortgages were obtained under false pretenses. Most title companies know of the scam and the California court set up a process for disolving the trusts without Kurt and/or Scott's signatures. The only thing you really have to worry about is if you don't have an attorney, you may get trapped into admitting something that would result in you being prosecuted. So don't talk to anyone other than your own attorney.

KYHOOYA said...

Let me ask something out of my own curiosity dose anyone know the LAW about these couple of thing's

Real Law not just what they may think it is.

Like maybe P-girl I think she said she work in a law office as a para legal or something like that, really anyone just as long as it is for sure on the books as of now.

So here goes:

1)When the banks do a loan for Home Mortgage or any other loan, Is it or is it not true they Can Not loan their own 'Credit' to make the funds for your loan?


2) Do the bank's have to keep their records on all money that is moved in or out no matter how long the time it in their hands?



3) Do the bank's have a standard at witch they must follow like the (NAS) (National Accounting Standards) to keep their record's and or book's?

or if not then is the record kept by other means and if so is it one that is widly known in the accounting field.

4) Are banks subject to the FCRA (federal credit reporting act) in both Federal & State and the other FCR laws that are in place as of today?

5) Last does anyone know what the exact terms and regulations that surround the 'Waiving of time' in the federal court system, like in the case we are watching with doreans's princapals and the 45 day rules that can stop the clock in thise regard?

Also how does the state of Utah for any following lawsuit's against them or are they sitting fine as for following the law's around their holding these two for 8-9 months or there abouts then droping all charges and releasing "Fugitive warrants" and they never wavid time there I beleive to?


Thats it! Can you beleive it less than three thousand word's and under 10 min. to type. Thats a new record for myself I'll have you all know Hah hha LOL! must be all these posting and spelling teachers on here I guess!

l8 ^} > |x=======\/

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son of a prophet said...

to the guy with 6 moongages, put put you $$$$ in HYIPs to make you moeny back fast.

www.hyipdiscussion.com

tcob247 said...

"to the guy with 6 moongages, put put you $$$$ in HYIPs to make you moeny back fast.

www.hyipdiscussion.com "

Then he will lose it all
Good safe investment advise there SOP

dgwondering said...

Hey Gashler I see you found another scam to pimp. LOL!!!

dgwondering said...

KYHOOYA (WHUA) said...
"Let me ask something out of my own curiosity dose anyone know the LAW about these couple of thing's

Real Law not just what they may think it is."

SOSDD.

You wouldn't believe it even if someone gave you the answers to these really old and tired urban legend questions the scammers like Dorean put out. The real answers are out there in court records where they lost and the fools who refuse to believe in reality wind up losing everything and even getting prosecuted. You bought into a scam and are too weak-minded to admit it and move on.

habakkuk said...

James 5
Warning to the Rich
1 Look here, you rich people: Weep and groan with anguish because of all the terrible troubles ahead of you. 2 Your wealth is rotting away, and your fine clothes are moth-eaten rags. 3 Your gold and silver have become worthless. The very wealth you were counting on will eat away your flesh like fire. This treasure you have accumulated will stand as evidence against you on the day of judgment. 4 For listen! Hear the cries of the field workers whom you have cheated of their pay. The wages you held back cry out against you. The cries of those who harvest your fields have reached the ears of the Lord of Heaven’s Armies.
5 You have spent your years on earth in luxury, satisfying your every desire. You have fattened yourselves for the day of slaughter. 6 You have condemned and killed innocent people,[a] who do not resist you.[b]

Patience and Endurance
7 Dear brothers and sisters,[c] be patient as you wait for the Lord’s return. Consider the farmers who patiently wait for the rains in the fall and in the spring. They eagerly look for the valuable harvest to ripen. 8 You, too, must be patient. Take courage, for the coming of the Lord is near.
9 Don’t grumble about each other, brothers and sisters, or you will be judged. For look—the Judge is standing at the door!

THE WORD OF G-D IS SO SIMPLE A CHILD CAN UNDERSTAND IT....MOST OF THE TIME ITS THE BRAINWASHED ADULTS THAT NEED HELP.

habakkuk said...

Habakkuk 2
1 I will climb up to my watchtower
and stand at my guardpost.
There I will wait to see what the Lord says
and how he[a] will answer my complaint.

The Lord’s Second Reply
2 Then the Lord said to me,
“Write my answer plainly on tablets,
so that a runner can carry the correct message to others.
3 This vision is for a future time.
It describes the end, and it will be fulfilled.
If it seems slow in coming, wait patiently,
for it will surely take place.
It will not be delayed.

4 “Look at the proud!
They trust in themselves, and their lives are crooked.
But the righteous will live by their faithfulness to God.[b]
5 Wealth[c] is treacherous,
and the arrogant are never at rest.
They open their mouths as wide as the grave,[d]
and like death, they are never satisfied.
In their greed they have gathered up many nations
and swallowed many peoples.

6 “But soon their captives will taunt them.
They will mock them, saying,
‘What sorrow awaits you thieves!
Now you will get what you deserve!
You’ve become rich by extortion,
but how much longer can this go on?’
7 Suddenly, your debtors will take action.
They will turn on you and take all you have,
while you stand trembling and helpless.
8 Because you have plundered many nations;
now all the survivors will plunder you.
You committed murder throughout the countryside
and filled the towns with violence.

9 “What sorrow awaits you who build big houses
with money gained dishonestly!
You believe your wealth will buy security,
putting your family’s nest beyond the reach of danger.
10 But by the murders you committed,
you have shamed your name and forfeited your lives.
11 The very stones in the walls cry out against you,
and the beams in the ceilings echo the complaint.

12 “What sorrow awaits you who build cities
with money gained through murder and corruption!
13 Has not the Lord of Heaven’s Armies promised
that the wealth of nations will turn to ashes?
They work so hard,
but all in vain!
14 For as the waters fill the sea,
the earth will be filled with an awareness
of the glory of the Lord.

habakkuk said...

The Word of G-d speaks for itself....no need for a commentary.

poopoo said...

what happened to Sara J. Magoon? where is she hiding out?

dgwondering said...

poopoo, she's negotiating a return to the US with the prosecutors.

oksurewhynot said...

Boring

KYHOOYA said...

dgwondering said...
KYHOOYA (WHUA) said...
"Let me ask something out of my own curiosity dose anyone know the LAW about these couple of thing's

Real Law not just what they may think it is."

SOSDD.

You wouldn't believe it even if someone gave you the answers to these really old and tired urban legend questions the scammers like Dorean put out. The real answers are out there in court records where they lost and the fools who refuse to believe in reality wind up losing everything and even getting prosecuted. You bought into a scam and are too weak-minded to admit it and move on.

---------------------------


So if it's so easy and you seem to be the one hammering about like you know everything about banking and such why don't you answer the simple questions for me then.

So what if I choose not to beleive the way you want me to. Fact is if you give me the correct real fact based answers and not just your O.P. than most likly i will beleive it.

I not looking for some b.s. answser as is the norm here. and from the reading this blog for the better part of 2 years I have to say that I have heard more posting's from one's who sound like their here for only one resone and I sure you can fill in the blank on that one.

You see how I look at it is that if these people that hope for nothing more than a day to come so they can get to jump up and down and say "I told you so Ha! Ha!" and you would think that anyone that was in this wheather they think it was'nt handled right or it a scam would either be gone or at best wait and see what the out come will be. If it's how you say than you'll always get your chance to glout and rub it in so you can feel better. would'nt it be better for you scam or no scam to have there be a verdict on the side of dorean and not the other way?

You see that way everyone that has had some loss here would at least get a chance to maybe gain some of it back. Your way there is nothing for anyone but the bank's (As alway's is the case) that why it only make sence to see the neysayers here as nothing more than working for the bank's and it show's on most of them after a while weather they want to aggree or just post under another name it's all the same.

What I have asked here is some simple questions that I would 'Really' Like to get some straight forword answers to if you know what they are and they are for sure the facts than why not post them.

Just cuz the courts say something is not always to say that is the right thing it's just how they chose to interpet it to be. I have seen plenty of one sided jugdes and verdicts in court rooms beleive me! Why do you think it is that anyone that has to work around where the judge has power , are very shy about telling anything that goes on . Here I help with this one , because they fear him and what he has the powerrto do to them and such.

I sorry you can't see that there has some very bad vary bad decisions made by judge Alsup but again anyone can see another side to things feed enough b.s. saying it's true. That old sane must be true "if it walk talks and barks like a dog than it must be a dog even if it dose meow off and on Right?

Your way everyone loses in the end but you'll get to say "Ha! Ha! & I told you so"

My way and at least the people that have a bich about the marketing (as if this was the only thing out there that has streched the truth to sell some people on their idea) You know?

Let's face facts and the real wake up call as as if when you say to me that I can't face the truth , wellat least I'm still willing to look for it now are't I?

When most of the people that lost their home on here were out to save them in the first place from lose. I read the postings I went to the convention I heard the questions asked and the people talking. there were a lot of them that were fine but there were plenty of those that were asking weatheer they could get in if they had there home in forcloser and such.

So one would have to be stupido to thing anything that their not in trouble with their money and hom , Now would'nt you aggree?

I don't expected you to agree with me but before you go spouting off that big mouth of your on how you know what I would say and do if I got an answer to my questions you might want to think about them and see if you might have anything to add oor better yet if you don't have anything nice to say then ....

You just can't go wrong keeping you mouth shut can you? can't say the wrong thing then.

I hope that by sharing with you how I feel in your wake of know-it-allness & O.P. ness.

Again I will add this to the questions I have asked already and I might point out no one has even made a bad posting on the answer to then.

1a) what is it that someone in the dorean process has to gain by this program becoming a complete loss and any hope of getting anything back is gone Vs.
have it shown that they were right or at best at least a way for them to carry out some selling the judgements or what ever would pay these people for their lose.

Naysayer = nothing in the end but a hand full of being mad some more and maybe a chance with all the others to try and collect if they filr a law suit and win.


supporters= at least are wishing and hoping for a better out come. One tha might let the many that were going to lose their home's even if they did'nt get in to this process.

WHY WOULD YOU BE LOOKING UNDER M.E. PROGRAMS IN THE FIRST PLACE IF YOU WERN'T ALREADY IN TROUBLE WITH THE PAYMENT OR GOING TOP BE?

so hey big mouth if you have the answers to those age old question it should'nt be to much effort for you to cough them up weather the court's want to rule on a case when they woun't hear one sides part of the story from the start and then scare off any others by putting a bigg fine on top of it O.K.?

Or is that just to much to ask for in this day and age of corp. say people do processing. You know why would anyone mount a conter offensive against sothing that like tha in the form of a appeal any way? That would be the biggest waste of time and most likly more money don't yoou THINK?

PLZ SEE QUESTIONS POST EARLIER IF YOU LIKE TO TRY AGAIN WITH SOMETHING REAL NOT HORESHIT COMENTS THAT GO KNOW WHERE AND HELP NOTHING AND IN FACT HELP THE BANK.

Just a quick reminder, I asked: Dose the bank lead it's credit in a mortgage or not and can the records show this for a fact or will they show that the banks did fund your loan by just selling you note and papers?

KYHOOYA said...

What you should be asking your selfs is this

Why is the Gov't sending men to train local police in a big acted out effent that used people and actors to help show them how to deal with "Marshal Law" and to disarm and place in detention areas that have been set up across the country to hose many ?

Hey remember this is the same Gov't that had to pay a company to send in 300 armed men to New Orleans to help keep the peace.

this is a contract with a 300 men at $300.00 per day for 2-3 years. You do the math. Now why do we have the man power to train for marshal law in Oak. Ca. bur we can't spare any to do the needed in New O. ?

oksurewhynot said...

Still boring.

Where's the Kurtmeister?