Saturday, December 16, 2006

What a Child Sees (11-27-06)

The 11th is our next date and it is unique among all our dates because I have no goal, no direction from the Lord except to say it is finished. As my faith matures to comprehend the great accomplishments of the Lord it ironically or paradoxically becomes more childlike. I truly am helpless yet the love of my caretaker is steadfast and trustworthy. There is an enhancement to the truth of Christ’s diligent intellect over my affairs when I’m confronted with the body of Christ. Many of you have been used in a special way as the confirming voice of God. It takes childlike faith to trust the power of Christ in you. Winnie, Karen S., Steve H., Becky B, Dee, Bob, Lynette, A. Corrazzo, Mark G., Swami, Doug Cav. And Doug Cam. All of you and others not mentioned here have strengthened my faith by your obedience to our Lord. Trust this that your eternal reward will be enhanced with blessings here on earth. Many others betrayed me and rewarded my love with their cowardice. This was a constant sorrow which made your sweet offering of obedience all the more soothing. As I submit this heartfelt thank you let me boldly say that we shall now see the power of our mighty Lord that justifies our boast among those who are perishing. Our God reigns and you are the proof of it. I’m proud of all of you in the spirit.

104 comments:

son of a prophet said...

funny how both sides each accuse the other of lieing....

so, tell me then, who is telling the truth about 9/11??

did 19 arabs with boxcutters hijack 4 airplans and do what the govt. said they did???

course, like the banks, the govt. dont lie, right??


govt. says DG is a scam, and 19 arabs with boxcutters hihack the plans on 9/11.....

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son of a prophet said...

OH, AND ALSO TROW IN THAT LEE HAVEY OSWALL SHOOT PRESS KENEEDY IN DALLAS IN 63 ALL BY HISSELF.

HE WASNT EVEN IN DALLAS THAT DAY, ACCORDING TO RESEARCHERS, BUT ACCORDIN TO GOVT. HE WAS.


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neodemes said...

"It is finished"

It always was.

god said...

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mogel said...

Brad Barnhill is at it again, now challenging the Patriot Act and the ability to keep his bank account open, saying that US Bank who closed his account recently, violated his rights to practice his religion by the bank requiring a SS# to keep his account open & saying his religion beliefs of being forced to have a security number is a violation of his religious beliefs, so he's sueing US Bank for infringing on his religious beliefs. I suspect the ruling will go in his favor, just like all the other cases he's been involved with.

US Bank has no reason to close his account since his identity has already been shown & proven, so this discrimination by the bank can only be due to his strongly held religious beliefs. US Bank is in deep do-do. They just don't know it yet.

The banks think they can do whatever they want & usually they can because they have been so use to geting away with their bad behaviour & having the court back their bad behaviour, but the Court is going to have a tough time sanctioning US Bank's actions, this time.
__________________________________

I opened an account at US Bank in September of 2003, which was after
the USA/PATRIOT Act amended the Bank Secrecy Act and caused an
amendment to Part 103 of 31 CFR. 31 CFR 103.34(a)(1) (in 2001, prior
to the amendment) provided:

"Sec. 103.34 Additional records to be made and retained by banks.

(a)(1) With respect to each certificate of deposit sold or redeemed
after May 31, 1978, or each deposit or share account opened with a
bank after June 30, 1972, a bank shall, within 30 days from the date
such a transaction occurs or an account is opened, secure and maintain
a record of the taxpayer identification number of the customer
involved; or where the account or certificate is in the names of two
or more persons, the bank shall secure the taxpayer identification
number of a person having a financial interest in the certificate or
account. In the event that a bank has been unable to secure, within
the 30-day period specified, the required identification, it shall
nevertheless not be deemed to be in violation of this section if (i)
it has made a reasonable effort to secure such identification, and
(ii) it maintains a list containing the names, addresses, and account
numbers of those persons from whom it has been unable to secure such
identification, and makes the names, addresses, and account numbers of
those persons available to the Secretary as directed by him."

Which means that the bank could open an account without an SSAN if it
just requested one, and if none was forthcoming, maintained a list of
names, addresses and account numbers for such non-enumerated accounts. I have opened many accounts using this provision.

All of this (appeared to have) changed with the amended regulations in
October of 2001. Section 34(a)(1) was amended out of existence and
Section 121 was used to "replace" those provisions. After that, they
had to try to verify someone's identity through "alternative" means if
a person did not have all of the information that the bank sought when
opening an account.

US Bank sent to me a letter informing me that my account was being
closed ostensibly because they could not "verify my identity" and so I responded as timely as possible:

Brad v US Bank: request for religious accommodation
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/PersonalOd yssey/message/ 574

I was looking thru part 103 the other day and found Subpart G, which
commences at 31 CFR 103.80:

"§ 103.80 Scope.

"This subpart provides that the Assistant Secretary (Enforcement) , or
his designee, either unilaterally or upon request, may issue
administrative rulings interpreting the application of part 103."

The regulations go on to state at Section 81 what you have to do to
get an administrative ruling. I constructed this Complaint in short
order based upon that regulation.

So, I decided to request an administrative ruling based upon the facts
and circumstances of my situation:

============ ========= ========= ========= =========
Brad Lee Barnhill
c/o non-domestic
P.O. Box 230335; near:
Las Vegas, Nevada 89105
Phone: -redacted-

16 December A.D. 2006

Director, Office of Financial Enforcement
Office of the Assistant Secretary (Enforcement)
U.S. Department of the Treasury
1500 Pennsylvania Avenue NW., Room 4320 Washington, D.C. 20220

Re: Case # to be assigned, (Barnhill v U.S. Bankcorp)

Dear Sir or Madam:

Enclosed please find the Original and a copy of the following
enclosure(s) :

PLAINTIFF'S REQUEST FOR ADMINISTRATIVE RULING ON THE APPLICATION OF
PART 103 TO PLAINTIFF'S CIRCUMSTANCES

Please be so kind as to assign a case number, annotate the case number
on my copy, file stamp and return my copy to me in the enclosed
postage paid return envelope.

Very respectfully,

/s/ Brad Lee Barnhill

Brad Lee Barnhill

/Enclosures

cc:

US BANKCORP, U.S. Bankcorp Center, 800 Nicollet Mall, Minneapolis, Minnesota 55402

Daniel Montalvo and Pete Selenke, c/o US Bank, West Hollywood Office,
8901 Santa Monica Boulevard, West Hollywood, California 90069
============ ========= ========= ========= =========
U.S. Department of the Treasury, Office of the Assistant Secretary
(Enforcement)

Brad Lee Barnhill, Plaintiff,

v.

US BANKCORP,
a Public Accommodation for Banking Services,

Daniel Montalvo, in his personal capacity,

Pete Selenke, in his personal capacity,

Defendants.
------------ --------- -------/
PLAINTIFF'S REQUEST FOR ADMINISTRATIVE RULING ON THE APPLICATION OF
PART 103 TO PLAINTIFF'S CIRCUMSTANCES

I. INTRODUCTION

Comes now, Brad Lee Barnhill, in accordance with the free exercise of
his deeply held spiritual beliefs, in his own person (in propria
persona), of his own right (sui juris), the above-named Plaintiff, and
pursuant to the authority of 31 C.F.R. Subpart G and the Religious
Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 to submit PLAINTIFF'S REQUEST FOR
ADMINISTRATIVE RULING ON THE APPLICATION OF PART 103 TO PLAINTIFF'S
CIRCUMSTANCES (hereinafter "Complaint") , states the following:

II. SUMMARY OF CASE

My Complaint alleges that Defendant has violated state and federal
public accommodation laws and has discriminated against Me by closing
a demand deposit account solely because of My deeply held spiritual
beliefs and training. Concealing the true reason for which Defendant
actually closed the account, Defendant instead claims that the denial
was due to a purported failure to verify My identity. I provided to
Defendant all of the information that Defendant needed to identify Me;
however, Defendant has neglected or refused to make a reasonable
accommodation for My religious beliefs. Injunctive relief is
warranted to curtail Defendant's unlawful and discriminatory behavior.

III. STATEMENT OF THE CASE

On or about September of 2003 I appeared in person at Defendant US
BANKCORP's ("USBANK"), West Hollywood branch situated at 8901 Santa
Monica Boulevard, West Hollywood, California, for the purpose of
opening a demand deposit account. I was unable to present
government-issued identification due to My deeply held spiritual
beliefs and training. Defendant USBANK, by and through an officer was
able to determine My identity through alternative means as provided by
31 C.F.R. 103.121(b)(2) (ii)(B)(2) , and the account was opened. I
since moved from California to Clark county, Nevada, and continued to
use the account until November of 2006, a period exceeding three (3)
years.

On or about November 27th of 2006, Defendant Montalvo contacted Me by
telephone and requested information from Me that is beyond the scope
of his authority under the agreement between the parties and outside
the scope of his authority under any federal or state law. I
respectfully requested that Defendant Montalvo cite to the authority
that requires Me to answer these questions, and Defendant Montalvo had
no clue as to what authority to cite beyond the "USA/PATRIOT Act of
2001." I offered to answer whatever questions Defendant Montalvo had,
so long as Defendant Montalvo cited to the appropriate authority to
demand that information, and Defendant Montalvo neglected or refused
to provide the requisite authority.

While I was away from home, Defendant Selenke wrote to Me to inform Me
that My account was being closed. Upon return to My home on December
14th, I wrote to Defendants Selenke and Montalvo and requested that
they make some reasonable accommodation for My religious beliefs. The
instant suit was filed prior to Defendants informing Me as to their
intentions to follow through with their scheme to deprive Me of
services afforded by USBANK in its capacity as a public accommodation
under federal and state anti-discrimination laws.

Defendants have violated federal and Nevada public policy by
discriminating against Me solely due to My deeply held religious
beliefs and training. Consequently, Defendants have discriminated
against Me simply because of his sincerely held religious beliefs,
which prohibit Me from obtaining an SSAN or government-issue
identification. I request an administrative determination of the
proper application of part 103 of 31 C.F.R. in this instance in order
to deter Defendants from discriminating against Me and to deter
Defendants from repeating in the future this discriminatory conduct
and callous disregard for My religious beliefs.

I additionally seek an order that will enjoin Defendant from engaging
in the discriminatory practice of summarily denying banking services
to Me or others solely for the reason that a person does not have an
SSAN to disclose when the person has religious scruples against
participating in the state-imposed civil religion in the form of
federal welfare programs, or when a person has religious scruples
against prostrating themselves before state and federal government
agencies to request recognition of their existence.

IV. JURISDICTION

1. I invoke the jurisdiction of this Office under the authority of 31 C.F.R. Subpart G.

V. VENUE

2. At all times stated, Defendant conducted banking business within the republic states of California and Nevada.

3. All acts complained of are alleged to have occurred within the
republic state of Nevada.

VI. PARTIES

4. Plaintiff Brad Lee Barnhill ("I, Me, My") is a white man,
approximately fifty (50) years of age, domiciled at Clark county, near
Las Vegas, Nevada. I receive mail at c/o non-domestic, P.O. Box
230335; near: Las Vegas, Nevada 89105.

5. Defendant US BANKCORP ("USBANK") is, and at all relevant times was, a public accommodation for banking services doing business in
California and Nevada, with a principal place of business at U.S.
Bankcorp Center, 800 Nicollet Mall, Minneapolis, Minnesota 55402.

6. Defendant Daniel Montalvo is a man who purports to be the Branch Manager at USBANK's West Hollywood Office, situated at 8901 Santa
Monica Boulevard, West Hollywood, California 90069.

7. Defendant Pete Selenke is a man who purports to be the Vice
President at USBANK's West Hollywood Office, situated at 8901 Santa
Monica Boulevard, West Hollywood, California 90069.

VII. STATEMENT OF FACTS

8. To the best of My knowledge and belief I was born on the soil of the republic state of -redacted-, a state of the Union and party to
the Constitution of the United States, as amended 1820, and not upon
any federal territory.

9. To the best of My knowledge and belief, both of My parents were American citizens natural born on the soil of states of the Union and
not upon any federal territory.

10. I currently live on the soil of the republic state of Nevada, a state of the Union and party to the Constitution of the United States, as amended 1820, and not upon any federal territory.

11. To the best of My knowledge and belief I am required by no law to make application for a social security number unless I wish to
directly receive benefits payable from federal funds. See 42 USC
405(c)(2)(B) (i)(II).

12. It would be repugnant to My faith to so receive any direct benefit payable from federal funds and place mammon from the false god of government before my Creator and supplant His divine providence. See Matthew, Chapter 6:24, and Luke, Chapter 16:13.

13. To the best of My knowledge and belief the inventorying of human flesh by enumeration as required through participation in the Social Security Act of 1935, as amended, is repugnant to My deeply held spiritual beliefs and training. See Revelation, Chapter 13:16-17 and Chapter 14.

14. To the best of My knowledge and belief the Social Security Act of 1935, as amended, and other social welfare schemes enacted by Act of Congress constitute invidious and covert acts to establish the civil religion of National Socialism in denigration of My faith. See Bowen v. Roy, 476 U.S. 693 (1986)

15. I never made application for a social security number.

16. I have no personal knowledge of any social security number ever having been applied for in My name.

17. It is contrary to My faith to seek acknowledgment of My existence from any federal or state government agency and so place some false god of government before my Creator. Again, see Matthew, Chapter 6:24, and Luke, Chapter 16:13

18. Defendant USBANK provides banking services as a public
accommodation for Californians and Nevadans.

19. Upon information and belief, Defendant USBANK knowingly provides banking services to non-resident aliens who have no Social Security Account Numbers.

20. Upon information and belief, Defendant USBANK knowingly provides banking services to illegal aliens who either have no Social Security Account Numbers, or use falsified Social Security Account Numbers.

21. On or about September 3rd of 2003, Defendant USBANK, by and thru an officer or employee of Defendant, opened a demand deposit account for Me.

22. At the time the account was opened, I did not possess, and was
unable to provide either a Social Security Account Number or any
government-issued photo identification.

23. I was able to provide a copy of My lease at Broadcast Center
Apartments, situated at 7660 Beverly Boulevard, in Los Angeles, California, copies of utility bills mailed to Me at that address, and
a copy of a bank statement from another bank with which I hold an account.

24. Defendant USBANK, by and thru an officer or employee of Defendant, was able to verify this information in accordance with 31 C.F.R. § 103.121(b)(2) (ii)(B)(2) . "The bank's non-documentary procedures must address situations where an individual is unable to present an unexpired government-issued identification document that bears a photograph or similar safeguard; the bank is not familiar with the documents presented; the account is opened without obtaining
documents; the customer opens the account without appearing in person
at the bank; and where the bank is otherwise presented with
circumstances that increase the risk that the bank will be unable to
verify the true identity of a customer through documents."

25. I used this account for over three (3) years without incident,
even after having moved My domicile from Los Angeles, California, to
Clark county, Nevada.

26. On or about November 27th of 2006, I received a telephone call
from a man who identified himself as Defendant Montalvo.

27. Defendant Montalvo insisted that I provide to him a copy of some government-issued identification as a requirement to maintaining My account.

28. I inquired of Defendant Montalvo what his authority was for
demanding government-issued identification, and he was unable to cite
to any specific authority that required it.

29. I informed Defendant Montalvo that I would be pleased to provide government-issued identification if he could cite to some authority that would require me to make application for same.

30. I informed Defendant Montalvo that USBANK's Customer
Identification Program ("CIP"), was required to make a reasonable
accommodation for My religious beliefs. See the Religious Freedom
Restoration Act of 1993, § 3 (Pub. L. 103–141, Nov. 16, 1993, 107
Stat. 1488, 42 U.S.C. § 2000bb-1); and 67 F.R. 47294.

31. I informed Defendant Montalvo that USBANK's CIP had to provide an alternative means to verify My identity apart from any requirement for government-issued identification. See 31 C.F.R. 103.121(b)(2) (ii)(B)(2) .

32. That afternoon, I traveled to USBANK's branch situated at 600 Warm Springs Road near Las Vegas at Clark county, Nevada.

33. I spoke with one Deanna Clark, an officer or employee of that
branch and presented to her a copy of 67 F.R. 48290, &seq., which are
the proposed regulations amending 31 C.F.R. part 103, that implemented
the USA/PATRIOT Act's amendments to the Bank Secrecy Act.

34. I provided to Ms. Clark copies of utility bills that were mailed to me at my home.

35. Ms. Clark told me that she was going to fax these documents to
Defendant Montalvo and I waited for Ms. Clark's return in her office.

36. The following day, I left Nevada for an extended trip and did not return until December 13th of 2006.

37. When I returned, I picked up my held mail at the Post Office.

38. The folks at the Post Office had no trouble verifying My identity and delivering to Me My held mail.

39. I found in My mail a letter from Defendant Selenke, informing Me that My demand deposit account was being closed. See Exhibit A,
Letter from Defendant Selenke to Plaintiff dated 12/06/06.

40. Within his letter, Defendant Selenke cited no lawful authority for his action.

41. On December 15th of 2006, I sent to Defendants Selenke and
Montalvo correspondence requesting that they make a reasonable
accommodation for My religious beliefs. See Exhibit B, Letter from
Plaintiff to Defendants dated 12/15/06, and attending exhibits.

42. On December 18th of 2006, I mailed this Complaint to the Office of the Assistant Secretary (Enforcement) and served copies upon all of the Defendants.

VIII. QUESTIONS PRESENTED FOR DETERMINATION

A. Does the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 require the
regulations promulgated at 31 C.F.R. part 103 to make a reasonable
accommodation for My religious beliefs.

B. Am I required by any provision of 31 C.F.R. part 103 to make
application for a Social Security Account Number?

C. Am I required by any provision of 31 C.F.R. part 103 to make
application for any government-issued identification?

D. Am I required by any provision of 31 C.F.R. part 103 to make
application for a Social Security Account Number in order to apply for
or to hold a demand deposit account at any banking institution in any
state of the Union?

E. Am I required by any provision of 31 C.F.R. part 103 to make
application for government-issued identification in order to apply for
or to hold a demand deposit account at any banking institution in any
state of the Union?

F. Is Defendant USBANK's Customer Identification Program required by 31 C.F.R. part 103 to make a reasonable accommodation for My deeply
held spiritual beliefs and training?

G. Is Defendant USBANK's Customer Identification Program required by 31 C.F.R. part 103 to provide for an alternative means to verify My
identity so as to accommodate My deeply held spiritual beliefs and
training?

H. Has Defendant USBANK made a sufficient effort under 31 C.F.R. part 103 to verify My identity?

I. Has Defendant USBANK verified My identity sufficiently as required by 31 C.F.R. part 103?

J. Does Defendant USBANK have any lawful cause to close my demand
deposit account under the authority of 31 C.F.R. part 103?

IX. RELIEF REQUESTED

WHEREFORE, I respectfully request that the Office investigate this
Complaint and make appropriate administrative rulings interpreting the
application of part 103 with respect to the questions presented in §
VIII, above.

X. CERTIFICATION

I hereby certify, to the best of My knowledge and belief, that the
aforesaid questions to be answered are not applicable to any ongoing
state or federal investigation, litigation, grand jury proceeding, or
proceeding before any other governmental body involving either the
requestor, any other party to the subject transaction, or any other
party with whom the requestor has an agency relationship.

XI. PRIVACY ACT STATEMENT

I consider the following information to be exempt from disclosure
under the Freedom of Information Act, 5 U.S.C. 552:

(a) The account number of the account in question;

(b) My date of birth, if I deign to disclose it for the purposes of this determination;

I consider the above information exempt as it might lead to theft of
property maintained in the account, or might subject me to identity theft.

XII. SIGNATURE

SUBSCRIBED and submitted this 16th day of December, in the Year of Our
Lord and Savior, Jesus the Christ, Two Thousand Six.

____________ _________ _________
Brad Lee Barnhill

XIII. EXHIBIT LIST

Exhibit A: Letter from Defendant Selenke to Plaintiff dated 12/06/06

Exhibit B: Letter from Plaintiff to Defendants dated 12/15/06, and
attending exhibits



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mogel said...

god: Does Nemo even have a "little faith"? What seeds of evidence do you have? Has Nemo shown any good seed towards the Dorean Group EVER at any time? Even a mere belief, even the size of a mustard seed, the smallest of all seeds? god, just "scroll on past." You've got more important things to concern yourself with.

mogel said...

god: The fair response to Nemo as it pertains to Dorean business is, "I never knew you", not "Oh ye of little faith."

Please take that under advisement after considering your wisdom, mercy, and greatness.

god said...

mogel,

good point....lets change that statement...

Oh yee of NO faith.

Dr Jeff said...

HI,
Does anyone know how the 11th went in court?

Dr. J

son of a prophet said...

BTW, WHO IS LOLO?

wasnt there a singer called lolo falana??

habakkuk said...

In 1836 President Andrew Jackson, overriding Congress, closed it commenting, "The bold effort the present bank had made to control the government are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it." (we now have another one like it)

Andrew Jackson also said, when speaking to the bankers: "You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the eternal God I will rout you out."

THIS ANDREW JACKSON GUY MUST HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE EARLY "RELIGIOUS CULT MEMBERS" TCOB AND OTHERS SPEAK OF.....PRESIDENT JACKSON MUST HAVE THOUGHT HE WAS JESUS OR SOMETHING...RIGHT TCOB??

ANY COMMENT ON THE WORDS OF OUR FORMER PRESIDENT TCOB??? (OR SOMEONE ELSE IN THE NAYSAYER FAMILY)

justice77777777 said...

newgurl said...
Mogel you asked in a previous post "did anyone at Dorean actually say it was proven"?

What do you have to say?

fact: heineman himself had to approve ALL ad copy posted on dorean related sites. if there was something there that they didnt approve of, it was removed.

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mogel said...

HI,
Does anyone know how the 11th went in court?

Dr. J
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I would guess not well, but there wasn't any great expectations, since shortly after, the court trial was changed AGAIN toward the end of March 2007. How do we know that... because once the news was out, the naysayers were quick to post the new pre-trial hearing date & the new trial hearing date. Can't wait to see those dates changed or deleted too on the court calender.

According to the one newspaper article, Julian was suppose to be extradited back to this country by next week. We'll see if that happens or not too.

mogel said...

Justice said: fact: heineman himself had to approve ALL ad copy posted on dorean related sites. if there was something there that they didnt approve of, it was removed.
___________________________________
Oh really? Fact is--- I never received any comments at all on mine. It was probably never even looked at, & the IP address was never asked for, so how could that be approved?

Fact is, you don't know what a fact is.

habakkuk said...

"CORN, WINE, AND OIL"

I thought was a jewish thing....dont know for sure.

BigKahouna said...

Mogel said: "According to the one newspaper article, Julian was suppose to be extradited back to this country by next week. We'll see if that happens or not too."

What newspaper is this in, can you post the link?

neodemes said...

Lucifer and his cronies were cast out of Heaven for trying to be god.

Byron, I still pray that you will stop serving 'gods', and striving to be a god, and worship the One God who sent His Son so that you need not perish.

mogel said...

Actually Lucifer was thrown out of heaven for his disobedience to divine law & he is still rebelling. No emulation there.

mogel said...

Nemo: You're telling me that 1/3 of all the heavenly Spirits also tried to be God too? They were all cast out too, you know, as a punishment!!! 1/3 of all Heavenly Spirits trying to be God? Makes no sense at all that they all tried to be God! All trying to be God & usurping his authority and power & trying to run things their way? Don't think so. (Revelations 12: 3.)

It was a war of philosophies. There were two plans presented. Everyone had a choice. There's always a choice. Jesus had a plan, and Lucifer had a plan. Those that picked Lucifer's plan that went against truth, got ousted. Those on the wrong side, got the boot. Those found on the wrong side were ALL thrown out of Heaven. You can't win when you fight against truth.

Kind of like you! You're on the losing side of the lending issue on Dorean and have been since day one. In the end you'll be a loser too. You'll probably get some sort of boot, even if metaphorically speaking.

neodemes said...

Rave on!

neodemes said...

Isaiah 14:12-17 (King James Version)

12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

neodemes said...

moogie sez: "No emulation there."

Wrong. As usual.

mogel said...

Nemo: Look at Moses 4: 1-4
Lucifer became the "Father of all lies" though his false pride. His plan was to save all mankind based upon lies, a system that wouldn't and couldn't work. Real lasting power and authority never works on a lie or against truth or against true principles of righteousness. You can't be a God based upon a lie, nor can you wield power based upon unrighteousness such as force and unrighteous dominion. Lucifer sought to destroy the free agency of man which God gave them, or free will, as some say.

Lucifer wanted to take that away, so he went against God's will. To think Lucifer wanted to be God is ridiculous. Lucifer didn't possess the Godly traits to be a God. That's like wanting to be a teacher by cheating. Doesn't work, can't work, will never work.

mogel said...

"I will be like the most High."
______________________________
LIKE the most High is not Being the Most High.

mogel said...

I don't doubt Lucifer was delusional. In his mind, maybe he thought he could win, or else why would he try?

How can you be like God by presenting lies? He went from the "angel of light" to the "father of all lies". How is that wanting to be God? Can a bully be a true leader? Maybe you think so.

mogel said...

Revelations 21: 7
"He that overcometh shall INHERIT ALL THINGS; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son."

Can you inherit ALL THINGS without inheriting all power, all knowlege, etc. If you inherit all things, and know all things, do you lack anything that God himself possesses? Can you have and possess all things and have all power, without being a God yourself? Nemo, you can play with that logic all you want & deny it if you want. That's like denying Jesus is the Son of God, or saying the Son is the Father. 1 + 1 = 2, no matter how you look at it. 2 Gods. And if you add the Holy Ghost to the mix, that's 3 Gods. I don't buy the Trinity idea that Jesus, God, & the H.G. are just different manifestations of the same one & only God from eternity to eternity. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, right? So how is he the same if he transforms himself into different Beings, how is that being the same? It's inconceivable, just like a Virgin Birth believing Mary had no sex.

Apparently, Lucifer didn't do very well at "overcoming" his pride and tempering his will to be subjected to Heavenly Father's will of truth and righteousness, so he was cast out and cast down.

You can aspire to anything you want, but if it's based upon a lie, you'll never succeed.

~~The Swami~~~ said...

Well I was very excited to see I was mentioned in Kurt's post. I was shouting to the computer,"I Love You Man........................(uncontrollable sob),but then I received an e-mail stating it had been a typo.....? What? A typo? You can look at your keyboard and understand how the error was made by being just a key off here and there. Turns out Kurt is very good friends with Mr. Sezno who has always been a strong Dorean supporter and inventor of the "Sezno". The "Sezno" was a Pez Candy type dispenser that would dispense Ex Lax Tablets. Isn't that some sh*t? However........the invention went down the toilet. So as close as I was to being mentioned by Kurt........I was a typo away from fame. Better luck next time I guess. :-(

son of a prophet said...

....actually, i dont beleive that "Luce", the angel of light, has been kicked out of heaven just yet and still currently has access to god, as the "accuser"

he will shortly be kicked out of heaven tho (read Revelation-where archangel Michael (Yeshua) and his angels fought the Dragon and his angels and kicked them out of heaven and down to earth (literally)

better hope that there is a rapture for you non believers becasue at that point when lucifer is kicked out of heaven he will be prowling the earth my friends looking for whom he can devour.

dont wanna be here left behind, because i can guarentee you, it aint gonna be mortgages he will be looking for.....

son of a prophet said...

"the accuser of christians"

luce gets to taunt god whenever a christian acts unaccordingly (commits sins);

he goes into gods presence and raises his arm and points his indes finger at the christian and says to god....

"...look, there is the christian" or "look, there is one of yours..."

yeshua is none too happy about this taunting, but this is what happens when a christian sins; he allows yeshua to be taunted by the angel of light.

see Hebrews 6

"...crucifies yeshua again for his own purposes..."

when a christian sins

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non christians also do the same thing when a christian sins....they point the finger at the christian and say...(mockingly)

"look, there is the christian"

and beccome a bad example for christianity

(like what is happening in iraq...here are the christians killing everyone in sight)

justice77777777 said...

mogel said...

Oh really? Fact is--- I never received any comments at all on mine. It was probably never even looked at, & the IP address was never asked for, so how could that be approved?

Fact is, you don't know what a fact is.

fact is: you are an idiot once again. if this issues comes up at trial, i assure you moogie, that it will be stated that heineman had quite a few brokers change ad copy on their sites.

fact is: that you dont know jack squat about details that once again surfaces.

justice77777777 said...
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Tony Tuba said...

~~The Swami~~~ said...
Well I was very excited to see I was mentioned in Kurt's post. I was shouting to the computer,"I Love You Man........................(uncontrollable sob),but then I received an e-mail stating it had been a typo.....? What? A typo? You can look at your keyboard and understand how the error was made by being just a key off here and there. Turns out Kurt is very good friends with Mr. Sezno who has always been a strong Dorean supporter and inventor of the "Sezno". The "Sezno" was a Pez Candy type dispenser that would dispense Ex Lax Tablets. Isn't that some sh*t? However........the invention went down the toilet. So as close as I was to being mentioned by Kurt........I was a typo away from fame. Better luck next time I guess. :-(





It's good to see a comic genius finally recognized. Good job swami.

mogel said...

Justice777 said: "fact is: you are an idiot once again. if this issues comes up at trial, i assure you moogie, that it will be stated that heineman had quite a few brokers change ad copy on their sites."
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Fact is that's not what you said previously. You said, ALL Brokers had TO HAVE their sites approved. Maybe you want to re-read your original post and pay attention to details. Matter of fact, you even capitalized the word, "ALL" YOURSELF.

I'm not denying that some Brokers had their sites changed because they weren't in keeping with Dorean Principles or policy. Why are you making an argument that doesn't exist?

mogel said...

Justice777: As much as you know about Dorean policy, makes one think that maybe you are a Broker yourself. Are you? LOL

mogel said...

Swami: You are not only a comic genuis, but also an INSPIRATION that rightfully should be recognized. God bless you man!

justice77777777 said...

mogel said...
Justice777: As much as you know about Dorean policy, makes one think that maybe you are a Broker yourself. Are you? LOL

there you go laughing at your own humorLESS comments again. i guess you are too stupid to even take advice from one of your own with SOP told you to go away.

mogel said...

Justice 777 said: "i guess you are too stupid to even take advice from one of your own with SOP told you to go away."
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No, I listened to the advise, I just rejected the premise about "the nervous breakdown" idea. The advise was given in all the best intent though, which I acknowlege & appreciate.

You're the one that needs to go back on his meds. LOL

Can you make a point without putting a derogatory label to it half the time? Obviously not!

If it makes you feel any better, I don't think you are having a "nervous breakdown", so I won't give the same advise to you.

neodemes said...

A good summary on the Trinity:

"The first plank of the Trinitarian platform is that there is only one God. The Bible could not be more explicit on this point, which it states explicitly about two dozen times.

In Isaiah 44:8 God says that even He does not know of any other gods!

Jesus often spoke of God as His Father, and the apostles frequently spoke of "God the Father."

But the New Testament also insists that Jesus is God. For example, Thomas acknowledged Jesus as, "My Lord and my God" (John 20:28), and both Peter and Paul spoke of Jesus as "our God and Savior" (2 Pet. 1:1; Tit. 2:13).

Yet the New Testament also makes the distinction between the Father and the Son as two very different persons.

In fact they tell us that they love one another, speak to each other, and seek to glorify each other (e.g., John 17: 1-26).

The Old Testament refers often to the Holy Spirit as God at work in the world, without distinction from the Father.

But Jesus in John 14 to 16 explained that this Holy Spirit would be sent by the Father at Christ's request.

The Holy Spirit would teach and guide the disciples, not speaking on His own initiative, but speaking on Christ's behalf and glorifying Christ.

Thus, the Holy Spirit is revealed by Christ to be a third person distinct from the Father and distinct from the Son. "

source: http://www.equip.org/free/CP0704.htm

As far as the Virgin birth goes, the Bible is extremely clear. If you don't accept the Bible, why do you reference it when it suits you?

Are you suggesting there are no miracles, or you just can't accept this one?

Try as we might to apply human logic to explain God, we will not succeed. *We see through a glass darkly*

mogel said...

Nemo: Consider Luke chapt. 24. Consider Luke 24: 15-16. Also look at Luke 24: 36-38.

Most people think that the two beings in white were just two angels. In light of all the confusion & inablity to recognize whose those Beings were, & even the 12 apostles unable to recognize even their Lord & Saviour & Master when he appeared after he had died, thinking he was just a Spirit that frightened them, why is it unreasonable to say that those 2 beings were none other than God the Father & God, the Son & not simply just angels?

As far as that Isaiah reference where God says he knows of no other gods, obviously there is NONE LIKE HIM, & maybe that's the distinction that is being made in Isaiah. If you go to I Cor 8: 5-6 the Isaiah reference makes more sense: "For though there be that are called god, whether in heaven or in earth, AS THERE BE gods MANY AND lords MANY (FACT)
But to us, there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

As far as we are concerned, there is only one God we should worship, is the point being made.

I think the commentary you cited about the Trinity just creates more confusion, for it provides proof for both points of view.

mogel said...

Read Rev. 1: 6

"And Jesus hath made us kings and priests unto God, AND HIS FATHER, to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever."

Jesus, God, and God's Father. There's 3 Gods there mentioned.

Rev. 3: 21: "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Rev. 5: 10

"And hath made us unto our God, kings and priests, and we shall reign on the earth."

mogel said...

1 John 3: 1-3

"Behold what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God, therefore the world knoweth us not because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and IT DOTH NOT YET APPEAR WHAT WE SHALL BE; but we know that when he shall appear, we shall BE LIKE HIM; FOR WE SHALL SEE HIM AS HE IS. AND EVERY MAN THAT hath THIS HOPE in him purifeth himself even as he is pure.
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Nemo, is this the hope that you want to save me from and have called me to repent of that has caused you to pray for me?

What do sons of God become? What is this hope?

What will we appear to be or to become like?

neodemes said...

Whatever it is, it won't be a god.

tcob247 said...

Is this now a Morman blog?

habakkuk said...

HEY TCOB, YOU NEVER RESPONDED TO MY PREVIOUS POST.....

In 1836 President Andrew Jackson, overriding Congress, closed it commenting, "The bold effort the present bank had made to control the government are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it." (we now have another one like it)

Andrew Jackson also said, when speaking to the bankers: "You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the eternal God I will rout you out."

THIS ANDREW JACKSON GUY MUST HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE EARLY "RELIGIOUS CULT MEMBERS" TCOB AND OTHERS SPEAK OF.....PRESIDENT JACKSON MUST HAVE THOUGHT HE WAS JESUS OR SOMETHING...RIGHT TCOB??

ANY COMMENT ON THE WORDS OF OUR FORMER PRESIDENT TCOB??? (OR SOMEONE ELSE IN THE NAYSAYER FAMILY)

tcob247 said...

HEY HABBAKKUK

DO YOU LIKE WRITING IN ALL CAPS?????????????

HERE IS YOUR ANSWER.

I AGREE 100% WITH ANDREW JACKSON.

I DISAGREE 100% WITH YOU ASSESMENT THAT HE WAS PART OF A RELIGIOUS CULT. NO I DON'T THINK HE THOUGHT HE WAS JESUS


THERE IS YOUR ANSWER HAKKAKUPPP

HAPPY?

BY THE WAY, I HAVE BY NO MEANS CHANGED MY MIND ABOUT THE SCAMMER / DELUDED RELIGIOUS SPEWING NUT CASE, KURT H JOHNSON ET AL

neodemes said...

tcob247 said...

Is this now a Morman blog?

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Nah. Its just that one of the more verbose posters here has a penchant for heresy, false prophets, and fringe elements.

neodemes said...

2 Peter 2
1 But false prophets were also among the people, as also false teachers will be among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, and denying the Master who has bought them, bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2 And many will follow their destructive ways, by whom the way of truth will be evil spoken of.
3 And by covetousness, with well-turned words, they will use you for gain, for whom judgment of old does not linger, and their destruction does not slumber

neodemes said...

Galatians 1

6 I wonder that you are so quickly turning back from the One having called you by the grace of Christ to another gospel,
7 which is not another; only there are some troubling you, even determined to pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But even if we, or an angel out of Heaven, should preach a gospel to you beside the gospel we preached to you, let him be accursed.
9 As we have said before, and now I say again, If anyone preaches a gospel beside what you received, let him be accursed.

mogel said...

Tycob said: "Is this now a Morman blog?"
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No, it's a blog on relevance. Do you have any to share?

habakkuk said...

tcob said...

I DISAGREE 100% WITH YOU ASSESMENT THAT HE WAS PART OF A RELIGIOUS CULT. NO I DON'T THINK HE THOUGHT HE WAS JESUS

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Hey moron, its not my assessment that he was in a cult...thats my point. Why is it when kurt or others like myself say it we're "in a culy and think we're jesus", but when a former presidents (and countless others) make Biblical referrences like that its all of the sudden ok with you????

My point is...he used the biblical referrence of Yashua casting out the moneychangers to make his point about the bankers being the same kind of thieves and robbers.

Why should even consider your point of view (and other naysayers) when i got Yashua, former US presidents, and kurt (whose done way more homework on the subject than you) on the other side....Its a no brainer if you ask me.

neodemes said...

habakkuk said...

Its a no brainer if you ask me.

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Sounds like the Dorean theme song.

:-)

neodemes said...

Lunatic fringe

habakkuk said...

How bout you neo...got a comment on the andrew jackson quote? Or are you gonna dodge it too.

habakkuk said...

you guys have no substance

mogel said...

http://www.panama-guide.com/index.
php?topic=crime&page=2


American William Julian Arrested in Boquete on International Warrant
Sunday, September 24 2006 @ 09:58 PM EDT
Contributed by: Don Winner
Views: 682
(Source) Agents from Panama's Judicial Technical Police (PTJ) working on information from Interpol apprehended a 43 year-old citizen of the United States who was wanted on charges of postal, electronic and banking fraud. During the arrest his personal belongings were seized as part of an arrest warrent executed at the request of law enforcement authorities from the United States. William F. Julian was apprehended at his residence in Boquete in Chiriquí as ordered by Panama's Attorney General Ana Matilde Gomez. Julian will be extradited to the United States to stand trial. Police officers searched Julian's house and seized evidence related to the case. Julian is currently being held in the PTJ facilites under orders of the Ministry of Foreign Relations awaiting extradition to the United States
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Evidence seized in Julian's house?
Dorean CD's? :o)

neodemes said...

Yeah, the Jackson quote is one of those overused by every nutjob site on the 'net.

Bankers suck. Wanna do something about it? Don't use them.

Or you can spin your wheels buying into scams like this one.

Your choice.

mogel said...

The arrest of Bill Julian in a week will have been 3 months ago.

How long does it really take to get someone extradited back to this country?

mogel said...

Nemo said: "Bankers suck. Wanna do something about it? Don't use them.
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I wonder what Jesus would do? You think he would have a "live and let live attitude"?

In other words don't do anything about the problem, just ignore it or don't use their services. Some choice, huh or some solution you've given. Did you come up with that choice all on your own?

It's an interesting outlook on life's problems, you've given Nemo. Don't do anything about it, just put your head in the sand.

mogel said...

Does this constitute as a "no brainer"?


"Bankers suck. Wanna do something about it? Don't use them.

Or you can spin your wheels buying into scams like this one.

Your choice."

neodemes said...

Nope.

neodemes said...

"Don't do anything about it, just put your head in the sand."

Better in the sand than...

LOL

neodemes said...

You're right, moogie.

Its a much better idea to create a paper storm of BS and suck folks into a 'proven system' that will cost them all kinds of grief and get your butt tossed in jail.

Good job.

mogel said...

Honey, here's your choice for supper tonight, you can go without, or you can have "crow" or "ostridge meat".

That's all the choices you have so get use to it. The table of life is not a smorgasbord of choices.

Chef "no brainer" Nemo, keeper of the true gospel of food for thought, has spoken it. Let it be written, let it be decreed.

neodemes said...

ostridge?

tcob247 said...

hakkakupp

"Or are you gonna dodge it too."

Hey pea brain
I did not dodge your question.

I don't think Andrew Jackson set up a sales network and had people send in $3000 each under the pretense that he had a successful system to eliminate mortgages and then had them turn around and take out ANOTHER mortage and send him 50% of that

BIG difference dipwad


Also Mogel.........

About Jesus......

The money changers at the temple were the religious people. Thats what he was upset with.

He partied with the tax collectors (not that he condoned them)

And remember the time he said "pay unto Ceasar what he is due?
I'm sure they had a corrupt system back then too.

So please don't go around saying God is giving his blessing for your little mortgage elimination thingy

habakkuk said...

neo said...

Yeah, the Jackson quote is one of those overused by every nutjob site on the 'net.

Bankers suck. Wanna do something about it? Don't use them.

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What!!!? Thats your answer??? I should have known.....Forget it neo, go live in your brainless world. Forget i spoke to you. Go back to sleep.

habakkuk said...

BTW neo, theres a ton of other "overused" quotes out there as well. Read the book, dont just look at the pictures.

habakkuk said...

tcob said...

I don't think Andrew Jackson set up a sales network and had people send in $3000 each under the pretense that he had a successful system to eliminate mortgages and then had them turn around and take out ANOTHER mortage and send him 50% of that

BIG difference dipwad

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Of course, it always comes back to the measly $3000 you lost. How bout the $300,000 the bank stole...You were more than happy to grab your ankles for that one.
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tcob said....

The money changers at the temple were the religious people. Thats what he was upset with.

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NO, they were "moneychangers"....how much clearer can that get for you. And they were not the Pharisees...they were probably in cahoots with the them (sound familiar).
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tcob said....
He partied with the tax collectors (not that he condoned them)

And remember the time he said "pay unto Ceasar what he is due?
I'm sure they had a corrupt system back then too.

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In another account Yashua "prevented" Peter after they asked him did they pay taxes...It was almost like Yahsua said "hey Peter, shut your mouth"

Pay Csaesar what he's due?? Then that would mean we pay nothing since there is no law saying we have to pay income tax.

tcob247 said...

never mind hakkukkk

Go ahead and believe what you want to believe

I'm not going to waste my time on this space anymore

adios


Doreanite cultist rejoice

poopoo said...

Doug Cameron ? He treated a few people I know like shit. Kurt is guilty of the same.

So you keep that childlike faith up. You need it.

son of a prophet said...

".... .stole...You were more than happy to grab your ankles for that one."



i just woke up and that deserves a LOLO!

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son of a prophet said...

yes, all the love on this board....



makes it so easy to rember whose kingdom this is....the angel of light, "luce"

have a funny felling that the settlements will "all come in" just around the time of the dollar revaluation.

seems the currency of the NWO (iraq dinar) is moving along quickly now, going from just under 1500/USD to just about touching under 1400/USD

this is a BIG move in just a few weeks.

better go on ebay and buy you iraq dinar while they still chep.


also seems that a lot of HYIPs are getting ready to payout soon too.

its gotta be the iraq dinar thing, this cant be a coincedance.

even the southern belle private bank getting redy to pay.

KYHOOYA said...

neodemes said...
Yeah, the Jackson quote is one of those overused by every nutjob site on the 'net.

Bankers suck. Wanna do something about it? Don't use them.

Or you can spin your wheels buying into scams like this one.

Your choice.

8:22 PM


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With that said I fully understand why this country is in the shape it is today.

Nothing but a bunch of wippy winning babies to afraid to get up and be seen for fighting against the system. your to scard that something might bite you for standing up for what your self have said is not right ie: banking system and not jusy this post either you'vesaid before along with many other's that then still say that they dont want to fight it.

CHICKENS!

KNOW WONDER THE BANKS DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM GETTING PEOPLE CONVICTED THROUGHT THE GOV'T, THEY JUST HAVE TO SAY........


BOO! AND YOU ALL RUN AWAY.

"it wrong so don't ust it"
that's the biggest horseshit I have ever heard you think that you can get around in todays world without using the gov't banking system ?

good luck!
that like saying you can push your car around if you don't like the price of gas to make the point clear.

Oh just so you know about that don't use the banks coment heres a little info for you the dick up in the whitehouse put a little bill on the end of the Katrina act to be voted on and he did this knowing that know onr would not vote for it (as in just sat no to money to help out the hurrican victom and watch you carrer go down the drain) kind of won't not vote for so He put the NRFID ON THERE SO THAT NOW HE MADE LAW THAT EVEY ONE IN THIS COUNTER WILL HAVE

BY 2008 YOU WILL GET YOUR NEW NRFID THATS 'national radio friq. I.D. driver lic.,

GET IT ?

YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO CASH A CHECK WITH OUT IT GET A PLANE TICKET PRETTY MUCH WIPING YOU BUT WILL TAKE A SWIPE OF THIS CARD AND IT ALL FEEDS BACK TO THE BIG LARGE NATIOAL DATA BASE OF THE GOV'T

GOOD LUCK !

DON'T USE IT IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT?

YOUR A DUMB ASS! WITHOUT A DOUBT GO BACK AND BELEAVE WHAT YOUR TOLD TO BEFORE YOU GET YOUR SELF IN TROUBLE WHY DON'T YOU ALREADY. YOU MIGHT GET HURT TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH THE FREEDOM FIGHT THAT KEEPS YOU SO ABLE TO SPEEK YOU BULL SHIT.


WHAT A COMMENT TO MAKE!
YOU ARE SO DONE WITH ABY CREDIT THAT I MAY HAVE TO GIVE YOU IS LOST AS YOU TYPED THOSE WORDS .

I PLAN NOT TO USE THEM AS MUCH AS I CAN ABD I ALSO PLAN TO FIND ANY WAY FOR THEM TO GIVE ME BACK THE MONEY THEY TOOK FROM ME WITH THE SYSTEM BACK CON OF THEIRS.
HERES A FACT FOR YOU I PAID OUT OVER $160K JUSY IN THE LAST TWO YEARS AND MY MORTGAGE HAS GONE DOWN A BIG WOOPING $ 3560.25
IS'NT THAT NICE OF THE BANK TO AT LEAST GIVE ME THAT ? YA FCK THEM IHAVE OWN THIS HOUSE FOR OVER TEN YEAR THEY HAVE BEEN PAID FOR IT MANY TIMES OVER SO FACT IS THEY HAVE BEEN PAID IN THE AREA OF ABOUT $798K FOR IT SO FAR AND I STILL OWE THEM AS THEY SAY THE

PRINCIPAL BALANCE MOST OF IT .

SO YOU CAN TAKE YOUR ADVISE AND GO ^&* YOUR SELF

'Ky'


I would subjust you use the same for ease of insertion when you do



oh and Tin Cup By!By ! but I won't hold my breath if you don't mind.
cuzzzz i heard you say you were gone before. Did a spot on that new off ramp open up you've been waiting for ? well I hope so you've been want to get that spot for a long time now .
het can you say $$$$KAKAKACHINGCHING $$$$$

THAT'S A MONEY MAKING OFFRAMP RIGHT?

GOOD FOR YOU MOVIN ON UP!

son of a prophet said...

yes. it coming....THE "MARK OF THE BAEST"


"...may not buy or sell without....THE MARK"



hmmm...may not buy or sell....guess folks in those day wiil be stealin


"may not buy or sell" but didnt say may not buy or steal


so, i guess that again you will have to go to the banks...as they will be the only ones that can steal (legally that is) lolo

KYHOOYA said...

tcob said....
He partied with the tax collectors (not that he condoned them)

And remember the time he said "pay unto Ceasar what he is due?
I'm sure they had a corrupt system back then too

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yOU KNOW i DON'T SPEND KNOW TIME AT ALL IN THE READING OF THE BIBLE.

AN EVEN I KNOW THE IT SAID

"GIVE CEASER (ONLY) WHAT HE IS DO"
NOT THE WAY YOU WROT IT.

BIG DIFFERENCE OF INTERP.

THAT WORD "ONLY" CAN CHANGE THINGS TO MEAN: ONLY WHAT HE NEEDS OR
NOT ANY MORE THAN HE NEEDS

GET IT?

COME ON IF YOUR GOING TO RUN AROUND SPOUTING OUT ALL THE SCIP. THEN AT LEAST GET THE Q RIGHT!

OH THAT O.K. I FOR GOT IS DARK WITH YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND , YOU MOST LIKLY COULD'NT SEE THE PAGES TO READ IT RIGHT.

LOL

KYHOOYA said...

SOP SAID:
They said you could'nt buy anything


YOU GOY THAT RIGHT! SOP, THAT SHOULD BRING IT AROUND FULL 'O' ..


you know it is a wonder how the Gov't thinks. when evertime they make a better Lock the one who want it to it have already found away to open it.

or matbe they don't think?


l8r..\"""""""o
q8^}>-|x======\/

habakkuk said...

tcob said...

never mind hakkukkk

Go ahead and believe what you want to believe

I'm not going to waste my time on this space anymore

adios
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Could it be true? Is tcob really going to go away and stop posting nonsense on this blog? I doubt it, he's already promised that 3 or 4 times and he always comes back.

Then again so have i;) Why do i bother?

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mogel said...

Tycob said: "I'm not going to waste my time on this space anymore

adios"
_________________________________
Is this really true? Can you really walk away? $4500 is alot of money not knowing whether you'll get it back or when that might be.
I personally would like for you to have some sort of resolution in your own mind.

You seem to be walking away angry and tired and beaten up. Not exactly an ending I like to see.

mogel said...

Poopoo said: Doug Cameron ? He treated a few people I know like shit. Kurt is guilty of the same.
_______________________________
So how did those people treat them? Two sides to each story, you know. Would you care to elaborate since your comments came out of nowhere. What kind of name is poo poo anyway? Are your comments just poo poo?

Yetter said...

WE WILL MISS YOU TCOB.. NOT.
Barry Goldwater "Most americans have no real understanding of the operation of the international money lenders. The accounts of the Federal Reserve system have never been audited. It operates outside the control of congress and manipulates the credit of the united States."
M-3 is hidden from the public because liquidity is growing while the Fed talks the market up about inflation. They are throwing cedar shingles onto the bon fire.Scince liquidity is the grease of the wheels of all markets the secret increase of M-3 is what is also fueling the equity market. The equity trader in general and the public haven't a clue why the equity market is rising. The answer is the Fed is supplying grease day after day to stabalize two markets. Over the counter interest sensitive derivatives and the sub par mortgage securities market.

KYHOOYA said...

you know what wrong with the system? It things like this: when someone gets a senance of only 4 yr. for a crime of A/B with intent and another get 20 yr. for tax fraud when all the time he's not paying he is fight the system over the wording that has been read to show the chance that you don't have to pat it.

now that what I call fare! oh ya fare sure it is and the other thing is that the GGov't has lots of time to wait this out and keep on putting it off or in the end just make the courts do what they want anyway and lock them up without any real proof of following tha writen law or just their veiw of it right?


even in the end if the gov't wins the facysare clear the banks have been wrong here and the law read that what papers were filed and sent to the banks were like anything the bank uses ti make you give up your money or house to them so if it goood for one it only changes if you got juice to get the gov't to make it.


same it the tax case the guy was railroaded and right in front of everyone.

what needs to happen to win this is to get emough people to stane in that courtroom and show they won't let the legal system be twisted by thge court and miss used because they casn't show the wrong by the book.

extending a trial for defendents that are not even on the charge papers as in the Gov't vs Kurt & Scott
not and others to be added later are you crazy thinking that is o.k. for them to do.

there is a lawyer that fight the system abnd one of his best is to take out ab add in the local paperas big as you can to show all of the judges and courts wrong doing thatway it out there and eveyone that reads it will be waiting to see or a large number of people will ..

best thing I have seen and the results are just as interesting to see..

my two bits of addvice ti you Kurt if you need it that is.

the system is not fare or right in many cases so as i started if they win it will beby underhanded doings not by following thr rule they wrote to begain with

on that you all might want to start reading those terms and codions and loan docs you might find it interesting to see how they are rewording evertything to cover them selfs against the law that they sat these guys are wrong for. how is it that hey need to rewriye anything if it was inplace as law in the first place?

seems if it was law then it would be now why have to start writing it all over again.

only if it was'nt there and the system is trying to get it so it won't snow ball on them would it be needed

cus if its the law and that what they say they have locked these guys up for then its the law


'bnut if it not writen law then and their trying to get it to be now then what laws were the guysnot following


none they followed the law and the Gov't and bank know it

they are just play rthasy old game of wait and wait some more till most have faidaway and then o what they want.

TIME TIME TIMEM

son of a prophet said...

Political Prisoner Elsebeth Baumgartner Jailed Again For 120 Days
Former Ohio attorney who uncovered massive corruption leading all the way to the White House reluctantly accepts plea deal and will be sentenced Monday on other felony charges.

By Greg Szymanski
18 Dec 2006

mogel said...

Dr. Jeff:

Email me at:

mogel007@safe-mail.net

I have some ideas for you that could help your situation I believe. It never hurts to listen. We'll talk off this blog.

poopooo said...

"Two sides to each story, you know."

I am a witness, not a judge.

"Your comments came out of nowhere."

That's usually where comments come from.

mogel said...

Poo Poo: What are you a witness of? You have only spoken in general terms.

son of a prophet said...

I am a witness for YESHUA HaMASHIACH.


/s/ HOLY SPIRIT

cc: the world

insideinfo said...

mogel said...

Stupidity #1 -

The arrest of Bill Julian in a week will have been 3 months ago. How long does it really take to get someone extradited back to this country?

Stupidity #2 -

Dr. Jeff: Email me at: mogel007@safe-mail.net
____________________________________
Gashler,

Why don't you use your "safe-mail" address to ask your pathetic source of delusional information (Fred Johnson) these questions to your stupidity postings.

1. Ask about the extradition arrangements between foreign countries and how long they take?

2. Ask about a conversation his son had with someone back in August when his son was filing those "magical documents", that were intended to make this case "go away".

It went something like this:
"If these filings are not successful, we will probably be in here three YEARS before this ever goes to trial."

So before you go blaming the courts and government and judges, you may want to look in your own camp, which if Johnson was correct, the Julian extradition is a moot point.

Don't be so naive that all of you with your "secure" email addresses are the only people receiving those ridiculous correspondences from Fred Johnson.

Dr. Jeff, your best bet is to stay away from Gashler and his fallacies and theories. You have suffered enough by giving away half of the proceeds of a fraudulent loan. Do not dig yourself deeper.

mogel said...

Inside Info:

Since you are taking a stab at the question, why don't you answer it yourself rather than using just inflammatory language?
How long does it take to extradite someone considering the extradition agreements that are in place?

Maybe the Julian extradition IS a moot point! What relevance or help can he provide for the prosecution anyway?

Dr. Jeff can email me at:
mogel007@yahoo.com

Makes no difference to me what email address I use. What I had to say wasn't based upon theories anyway. You're quite presumptuous, don't you think?

Mr. "inside info", why don't you post your email address too? I'm sure Dr. Jeff would like to know who you are too & get some input from you also. LOL

mogel said...

Inside Info:

I don't doubt there is alot of "moot points" going on & been going on for some time now. Alot of charades, all part of this game that's being played. The truth will come out eventually.

neodemes said...

Truth:

A fool and his money are soon parted.

neodemes said...

Truth:

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

mogel said...

Truth:

A fool and his money are soon parted.
__________________________________
You know that by experience I'm sure.

mogel said...

Stupidity # 3

DG Wondering: Don't post as a different username (insideinfo) to attempt to be clever or portray that you are in the know.

Stupidity # 4

Why would you suggest to someone to ask answers to someone you already label as "delusional"? What kind of serious advise is that when you consider the advise of the source bad? Doesn't that show that YOUR advise is bogus in the first place?

mogel said...

Nemo said:

Truth:

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
__________________________________
What crimes are you referring to? Slander, libel, defamation of character? Maybe some sort of "hate crime" such as "stalking"? Or maybe you referring to "squatting" on other people's property rights & suggesting that crime?

mogel said...

Stupidity # 5

People like "inside info" that believe that there are other sources out there that are SO INTERESTED in reading delusional information that they find a way to get their hands on this private information by ANY illegal means possible.

mogel said...

Stupidity # 6

Kurt wants to stay in prison 3 more years before trial & believes this to be the case.

mogel said...

Stupidity # 7

Calling father & son delusional when in the same breath you use the phrase, "If Johnson is correct"

mogel said...

Inside Info:

Just keep your mouth shut! You just embarass yourself everytime you utter a word.

mogel said...

Truth:

A fool and his money are soon parted.
__________________________________
You know that by experience I'm sure.

Nemo, if I ever decide to declare bankruptcy, I'm coming to you for advise. I hope you don't mind.

justice77777777 said...

mogel said...
Just keep your mouth shut! You just embarass yourself everytime you utter a word.

moogie,

you really need to get on some meds. you are on the verge of a nervous breakdown, and your last few replies are indicative of that. Instead of assuming things, why don't you go and confirm them first?

if johnson did say this, ALL of your legal theories and inexperience with law are now realized, and it comes as no surprise to most of us, and now people will realize you truly are an idiot.

mogel said...

Justice777 said: "Instead of assuming things, why don't you go and confirm them first?"
________________________________
What have you EVER CONFIRMED?

santia said...

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Dinar