Monday, June 18, 2007

Eenee Meene Miny Moe (05-31-07)

Eenee Meene Miny Moe, catch a tiger by the tail. How will you let him go? This is a theory, which poses an interesting problem. Sure you have the tail but on the other side is the mouth. Allegorically that is what happened in this case. Judge Alsup by his presumption gained through Thomas Spielbauer captured the concept of our economic truth farthest from head. Soon once the Bill Julian issue is settled they will have to deal with the head. They have avoided this as long as they can but the tolling time becoming prejudicial is finally a clock working against them. They are economic retards capable of a hind-end understanding of the subject matter but far from being mindful of the head. Like the commentators on this site they have no idea what this case is about. Bill should be out of the case soon. He is handling things in a smarter fashion than Farrel and Dewey. We will soon be testifying as to his non-involvement. This was available to Farrel and Dewey but attorneys get in the way. Bill should be bailed or severed out soon. Here is a little retard test: How is it that Farrel and Dewey each pled guilty to a crime none of us were indicted for? If you know the answer you're learning to understand your enemy. If you don't and you're a client be glad God gave you wise caretakers. If you are not a client you've got a tough life ahead of you. Dewey's plea agreement can be downloaded on pacer. Have a look, enjoy the surprise.

21 comments:

sinner_onlysavedbygrace said...

Kurt & Scott,

Thank you for your perseverance and faithfulness to the end! May the Lord continue to bless you both with His peace & joy!

sbg

habakkuk said...

Thanks for everything Kurt and Scott. We're praying for you.

Richard said...

Kurt and Scott!
Keep bashing the Alsups brains in....ahh well if you want to call them that.
Rich Colorado Springs

notorial dissent said...

Poor Kurt, egg all over his face, and no way to clean it off as he just keeps adding more and more for our amusement.

Spielbauer, inarguably a total incompetent, wouldn’t have touched your drivel with a ten foot pole if he had known what he was doing. He presented the case in Federal court you devised for him. When presented with presented with a legal theory based on lies and out and out, and very transparent fraud, the court took the only actions possible and very necessary. Laughing in your face and canning the entire carload of horse manure that was your process and case was only the start. I don’t know if Spielbauer has been disbarred, but he certainly should have been for being dumb enough to let you lead him into a career destroying move like that lawsuit. Plainly and simply, he is too stupid to be allowed to even attempt to practice law, and I hope the state bar has agreed and yanked his license permanently.

So then you’re admitting that Julian ratted you out and got out of the case so that he could serve the time he was already due to serve?

Maybe Farrel and Dewey aren’t as dumb you thought they were, and figured taking a lesser charge and not spending the rest of their lives in jail wasn’t such a bad idea after all, after all, finally figured out that staying on a losing horse wasn’t a winning proposition. You are right about one thing, it’s not an option you are going to get, so you are in it for the long stretch, the very long stretch.

Kurt, most of the delay has been at your hands from the start. They wanted to make sure they had all your old buddies present and accounted for so they only had to do this once. The last time I checked they had set the court date for October, so it is going forward to trial, and your days of nonsense grow ever fewer.

not-a-real decent (person) said...

FROM THE NICKELANDIMES REI-BLAHG


"Rumor has it that Dewey has filed a plea agreement, may be on pacer by now. Anyone heard anything further about it? Sounds like Julian, Ferret, and Dewey are going to testify against the duo for lesser charges instead of joining them in their glory."

not-a-real decent (person) said...

BETTER BRING A GIGER COUNTER INTO THE COURTROOM FOR THE DG TRIAL.


(ARE YOU F**KING SERIOUS? SERIOUS AS CANCER YOU WILL GET IF YOU DONT.)


Tastes Like Burning: What’s a little depleted uranium in the yard if it helps defeat them terrorists?

Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory will conduct tests which will release 450 pounds of Depleted Uranium poisoning in the air over Tracy, California!

Depleted-uranium blasts conducted where millions live, yet nary a peep from established news organizations?


Gubmint gone totally mad? And the sheple all asleep at the wheel? How no one complaning about this?


http://www.newsreview.com/
sacramento/Content?oid=335809

neodemes said...

DEWEY PLEA

mogel said...

Notarial Dissent said: "most of the delay has been at your hands from the start."
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The only problem with that conclusion is it ignores the fact that 22 counts in the State of Utah were dropped, (complete waste of time), and 35 counts of the 68 counts in the Federal criminal case has been recently dropped or planning on being dropped any day now, (more waste of time), and approx. 20 counts which only apply to the Brokers (more waste of time), are irrelevant now since Bill will soon be absolved, and the other 3 Brokers apparently made plea arrangments of some kind already. That makes only 13 counts left to drop and the game is over for the prosecution, and to think the trial still hasn't even started yet!!!! I would say statistically speaking, the prosecution is falling apart.

The prosecution has made 77 of the 90 total counts between both Courts to become pretty much meaningless now after 2 years of a waste of time by the prosecutions games.

This tells me that the garbage the prosecution drafted was horse manueuer from the very beginning just by looking at the historical happenings thus far.

Let's do the math, in the last 25 months of legal nonsense by the prosecution teams, they have dropped or will have dropped 86% of their accusations.

That tells me they had nothing solid to begin with. If there was nothing solid to begin with, certainly there can't be any conspiracy to plead guilty to. Oh wait, that wasn't even one of the charges in question that K&S were charged with. So how does a Broker conspire with Kurt & Scott who was never proven guilty of fraud of any kind, & second of all, was never charged with conspiracy themselves either? If the Principal is not guilty of conspiracy or even charged with such, how can an agent/broker be guilty of conspiracy? Who are they conspiring with? No one?

Faith has it's own rewards not easily or readily seen until after the trial of one's faith.

mogel said...

Notarial Dissent said: " your days of nonsense grow ever fewer."
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Notarial Dissent, can you explain to me how Judge Alsup can rule on a FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) issue & deny information when a person has a right to any public information desired. For the Judge to say that the recent filing by the Dorean Group is incomprehensible & deny their reasonable request, is a pure cop out.

What's the big deal in giving out the information on the bond & the bonding company that backs the Federal Court and their actions?

What's the big deal on Judge Alsup denying Kurt & Scott the right to a private investigator to investigate the claims of bank fraud & gather witnesses to that effect who are conspiring against them for subpoena purposes & access to the 13 lenders accounting records, the same lenders who supposedly are victims of bank fraud according to the prosecutions arguments? Doesn't Judge Alsup want a fair trial?

Again, what does the Court have to hide or what are they trying to protect?

I think the actions of Judge Alsup are nonsense since it's pure illegal to deny rights already given by law. The judiciary can't deny access to public information guaranteed by rights and law. Judge Alsup is now in violation of the Freedom of Information Act. Another example that Judge Alsup thinks he is a law unto himself.

This shows that the Court is still lying and trying to limit the truth being exposed.

Why would the court also take out of the court record "The Dorean Business Plan" and their "power pointe presentation" and "arrest warrants" if they want the full truth to be known?

Could it be because the Dorean business plan shows that there was legal basis for their process & they didn't intend to scam anyone from the very beginning? Could it be because the arrest warrants show that they were filled out 3 months before they were actually arrested?

To think that once the Dorean Group filed charges in the Grand Jury in Oakland, & to know that only one hour later, Scott was arrested & picked up off the streets, seems kind of suspect don't you think, the timing of it all? That was a form of pure retailiation to the truth being exposed against the bankers & their cohorts. Then to think that those charges were never given to the proper committee or persons constitutes jury tampering by certain individuals?

Now a filing is made to find out the status of those charges of the Grand Jury & what has transpired & Judge Alsup considers that information to be irrelevant? Could it be that this information was totally supressed by the government?

It is obvious from these few things that the court is not interested in truth & by virtue of these prejudices, the court is acting without jurisdiction & this case becomes just a political issue with an axe to grind, not at all interested in the truth.

mogel said...

Notarial Dissent said: "Maybe Farrel and Dewey aren’t as dumb you thought they were".
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Oh yea, agree to a charge that makes no sense and also agree to pay $60,000 in damages to boot to 45 individuals and agree to 2 years in prison on top of that for your cooperation. And if they default on their financial arrangements, they are in contempt of court & have totally lost whatever concessions they bargained for. The proseuction is really interested in making life time friends aren't they?

Once Kurt & Scott go free, how will the Brokers decisions look in retrospect or in hindsight?

mogel said...

I understand the enemy somewhat. They make you do things you normally wouldn't do of a sound mind & body under no duress.

The enemy uses threats and fears and disinformation to cause you to cave in & forget common sense & the enemy manipulates you to agree to things that are baseless & agree to conditions that are not in your best interest because your fear takes over your reasoning powers, and self preservation becomes paramount. In this paranoid, selfish, and fearful state, you forget who your true friends are & you react out of fear instead of out of love for the truth.

neodemes said...

Apparently, you conveniently forget, moogster, that part of the process is to intentionally and knowingly re-finance the property, and split the booty.

The lame excuse of not knowing the 'banksters' weren't forthcoming in their paperwork is gone. Not that the argument holds water in the first place.

Step-by-Step
10. Once the loan(s) is/are satisfied, re-financing begins. The client is to refinance the property at the maximum loan to value ratio possible. The purpose of this new re-financing is for the you, the client, to compensate the Provider and CCR. All remaining funds belong to you, the client.

12. The funds from this new loan are distributed to all parties as such: the Provider receives 50%. CCR receives 25%. You, the Client, receives the other 25%. The new loan will then go through the elimination process at no additional cost.

Rave on!

notorial dissent said...

Ah Moogey, you never fail to disappoint. The state charges were dropped because the Feds came up with better and longer ones, and even if they drop half of them, the amount of time dim and dimmer are going to spend in jail still equals several lifetimes, so what is one charge more or less.

The only thing Julian is going to get to do is serve out the rest of his sentence, and sit with a bigger sentence hanging over his head if he so much as sneezes the wrong way, and that is all as yet speculation. It comes under the heading of don’t count your good time until the ink is dry on the agreement.

The brokers are going to plea out and rat out dim and dimmer, although they are hardly going to get off scott free. Flea’s license is gone for good, and they will be convicted felons so that isn’t going to look real good on a resume.

Like I asked you before, what charges are remaining, are they not the most serious of the charges and the ones with the longest amount of time attached to them? So hardly a plus in the win column.

I repeat, what charges are left and how much time on each count?

Moogs, you really are dumber’n a rock, try looking at the FOIA sometime. It specifically does not apply to the judiciary, or the prosecution in an ongoing case, and in any event, the clerk was not the person it should have been sent to.

As to the bond nonsense, if there were such a thing-and there isn’t, it would be irrelevant to the case at hand.

Not being in on the judge’s thinking on the matter, I can only assume that he determined that it was all just more nonsense, and since the rest of it has nothing to do with the charges they are facing, it was not appropriate. The banks are not involved in this other than as victims of Kurt’s fraud, so there is no invading of their records for unrelated silliness on his part.

I do not see that the court is hiding or protecting anything, other than insisting that all actions will be about the charges under consideration, and not Kurt’s vapor brained theories, since they are not on trial.

So far as I can see, the judge has acted within his discretion to deny a nonsense request that was not germane to the matter at hand.

Moogey blatherWhy would the court also take out of the court record "The Dorean Business Plan" and their "power pointe presentation" and "arrest warrants" if they want the full truth to be known?
I am not aware of any such occurance, I have seen most of the docket and don’t remember mention of any of this.

Moogey blatherTo think that once the Dorean Group filed charges in the Grand Jury in Oakland, & to know that only one hour later, Scott was arrested & picked up off the streets, seems kind of suspect don't you think, the timing of it all?
I would call it comical if nothing else, or ironic that they got caught out in another lie. A citizen can not file charges with a grand jury. Charges have to be brought to a grand jury by the DA or FP, so one more lie down the drain Moogs.

Moogey blatherNow a filing is made to find out the status of those charges of the Grand Jury & what has transpired & Judge Alsup considers that information to be irrelevant? Could it be that this information was totally supressed by the government?
Not based on the drivel I saw filed with the court, and like I said, a private citizen cannot file charges with a grand jury, so just one more lie, and one more proof you are a gullible fool. As an aside, Grand Jury records are generally sealed and not open to public inspection at any time.

Like I said, Flea and company must not be quite as dumb as dim and dimmer thought they were. I suspect they liked the odds of getting off with two years as opposed to coming out of prison as old men. Two years beats 30 any day, and I would suspect they will be on parole for most of the rest of their natural lives as well. If dim and dimmer are only facing 16 charges at 30 years a pop that is still long enough to guarantee neither of them will ever see the light of day again.

Moogey blatherThe proseuction is really interested in making life time friends aren't they?
Really stupid statement Moogs, even for you.

Moogey blatherOnce Kurt & Scott go free, how will the Brokers decisions look in retrospect or in hindsight?
Equally stupid statement, since it ain’t a gonna happen.

All it is going to take to prove fraud is to drag up the web sites, and there will be copies of all of them with the false promises, and the false testimonials and your’s and Flea’s bragging, and proving fraud will be no problem at all. It has all been archived and can all be called back up to hang you with. Your words and ego will hand you over as certainly as all the false paper with dim and dimmer’s signatures on it will hand them over to the bar of justice. As I said, your mouth and your hand will testify against you and leave you naked and alone before the executioner. Kurt’s little charade is crumbling down about his ears and he is too full of hubris to realize it.

mogel said...

Notarial dissent said: "The state charges were dropped because the Feds came up with better and longer ones,"
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If they were such well thought out charges, or "better charges" why have they dropped 35 of the charges already in Federal Court. And why did it take the Federal Government so long to draft up the final charges they did anyway in the Federal Court & allow Dorean business to go on as long as it did? They had evidence of the filings of Dorean in all the county records all over the country from the very beginning & were in fact investigated from the very beginning also.

As Nemo would say, "keep tap dancing," it's very amusing to watch, not to mention it's as you know "free entertainment" for the rest of us.

mogel said...

Notarial Dissent said: "As to the bond nonsense, if there were such a thing-and there isn’t, it would be irrelevant to the case at hand."
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So you believe there are no checks and balances & incentive to keep the courts & jails honest & following the rules? You believe that the Courts and Jails behaviour is responsible to no one & is not bonded to protect innocent victims? I doubt that.

Sure it's relevant to the case, when Kurt & Scott go free soon, they need to know what entity to look at to get financial compensation & justice for their false arrest and imprisonment & abuse of legal process against them.

mogel said...

Nemo blathered: "Apparently, you conveniently forget, moogster, that part of the process is to intentionally and knowingly re-finance the property, and split the booty."
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Apparently you conveniently forgot that the lenders aren't damaged ever in either loan transaction, since no real loan ever existed. So maybe "booty" isn't the best word to choose from.

The banks knowingly steal from clients through unjust enrichment by stealing the promissory note in every loan they do, & I don't see you pointing that relevant fact out. You simply say you don't believe it, but there is plenty evidence otherwise.

Only a dozen or so clients even tried to get some sort of compensation back they are legally entitled to. It isn't dishonorable to try & get back what was stolen.

mogel said...

Notarial Dissent said: "the clerk was not the person it should have been sent to."
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Are you saying that the clerk doesn't know anything about the requested information, or are you saying that someone else does and that you know who that entity is? Praytell us who that might be then according to your infinite wisdom.

Course if you are saying that, then isn't that a contradiction to your other statement, "the court bond doesn't even exist".

How do you obtain information about something that doesn't exist?

Who is really dumber than rocks?

mogel said...

Notarial Dissent said: "The banks are not involved in this other than as victims of Kurt’s fraud, so there is no invading of their records for unrelated silliness on his part."
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You believe that the lenders are harmed because they risked their own assets in giving a loan, do you not?

If that is the case, the lenders have the bookkeeping proof of this loan. It is not silliness to have this verified & proven by records, since the bank fraud charges hinge on this.

If the banks are victims, they should have proof of their loss & need to testify under oath of this loss.

The Defendants have a constitutional right to face their accusors & question them.

mogel said...

Notarial Dissent: "All it is going to take to prove fraud is to drag up the web sites,...."
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Stupid statement if you believe that is all it's going to take to conclusively prove bank fraud.

Banks have to show they were victims & that they suffered a loss and the evidence has to come from personal knowledge and testimony by someone who knows the facts and will testify to such. Who is willing and stupid enough to make a blatent perjury upon the court?

mogel said...

Notarial Dissent said: "As I said, your mouth and your hand will testify against you and leave you naked and alone before the executioner."
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Stupid statement even for you since I'm not charged with anything. With the prosecutions intent on getting Brokers cooperation or testimony of who knows what, it appears they're only game plan is to attempt to discredit the Dorean Principals anyway, not to charge more people with more nonsense.

Are you looking through your crystal ball again and practicing witchcraft & sorcery again & making more nostra-dumbus statements again of things to come?

notorial dissent said...

Ah Moogems, out from under your rock again I see.

I have no idea why they dropped the charges they did, but I would suspect they figured that four or five life sentences a piece was sufficient, or they may have decided to not waste time on the little stuff and just go for the big ones. End result is the same, life times many.

There is no set time table for when they have to do anything, they may have wanted to make sure they had all the players, or maybe they just wanted to annoy you, doesn’t really matter to me one way or another. Some cases have taken years to fully prepare for, so who knows?

Moogs your ability to bounce from one inanity to something else totally unrelated is truly tiresome.

Moogey driveledSo you believe there are no checks and balances & incentive to keep the courts & jails honest & following the rules? You believe that the Courts and Jails behaviour is responsible to no one & is not bonded to protect innocent victims? I doubt that.
What this has to do with requesting non-existent documents from the wrong person, I have no idea. Checks and balances has to do with the branches of government, not individual bits of it. The courts and jails have rules and laws they have to abide by, and if there is something particularly egregious then there are lawyers to deal with it. The courts and jails are subject to the law and can be dealt with from that perspective. I have no idea where you get this bond nonsense from, since it is just that.

further Moogey drivelSure it's relevant to the case, when Kurt & Scott go free soon, they need to know what entity to look at to get financial compensation & justice for their false arrest and imprisonment & abuse of legal process against them.
One, dumb and dumber aren’t going to go free soon, or ever, and two, there is no compensation for fraud,, they cannot prove false arrest or imprisonment, since it wasn’t. They were properly charged, arraigned, and jailed. The courts and the prosecution have total immunity, so there is no one they could sue, on the nonexistent chance they would be acquitted. The govt will show the fraud they committed and prove it at trial, and to jail they will go.

Dream on Moogey, your vapor money drivel has been declared a loser and won’t stand up in court.

and more Moogey drivelAre you saying that the clerk doesn't know anything about the requested information, or are you saying that someone else does and that you know who that entity is? Praytell us who that might be then according to your infinite wisdom.
Since the request was nonsense to begin with, requesting non-existing documents, I would say it was nonsense. There are no such bonds, and there is nothing in the clerks possession that they don’t already have. Secondly, the courts are not subject to FOIA so it was invalid to begin with. The entire thing was nonsense, and rightly ruled so.

yet more Moogey drivelYou believe that the lenders are harmed because they risked their own assets in giving a loan, do you not?

If that is the case, the lenders have the bookkeeping proof of this loan. It is not silliness to have this verified & proven by records, since the bank fraud charges hinge on this.

If the banks are victims, they should have proof of their loss & need to testify under oath of this loss.

The Defendants have a constitutional right to face their accusors & question them.

The lenders did risk their assets in giving the loan. They also have bookkeeping records that show where the money came from and went. The “boys” problem, dear Moogs, is that the loan is not part of the equation, but the false documents dim and dimmer signed, and the money they defrauded the banks out of by getting second loans on already encumbered property is the meat of the matter. The banks will be able to show their losses in the legal fees, foreclosed property and loss of income from the loans, and again it will be provable.

Moogs, the website will be more than enough to prove intent and show method. The banks will have the documentation of what happened, and it is all verifiable and provable, and you are seriously confused if you thing otherwise. The banks records will testify to what happened, and they will need no help.

Moogems, your own web site shows that you were an accomplis to the fraud, that you willingly participated, and only your own ineptitude kept you from joining the ranks of Flea and his merry band.

You are actually almost half right, the prosecution’s intent is to get the brokers to confirm what the prosecution is charging the dim duo with, and it looks like they are going to do just that, and it is not discredit-they’ve already done that, but to show what they were doing.

As to the last part, I wouldn’t be making any long term plans if I were you, depending upon just how dirty your hands are will determine your turn up at bat for how long you get to go to jail. If nothing else, they can get you on conspiracy charges alone that will put you away for a good long time.