Monday, July 16, 2007

A few words for SD (06-27-07)

First SD I want to thank you for your support. Let me offer you an answer to a little Nancy Drew mystery. Why does Kurt use harsh words like “Retard?” Let me address your words first. Am I to take your words and measure your character? You seem to think in your judgment that your prohibition in God as to language is an absolute law in His kingdom and therefore leaves you no alternative to find me in contempt, disobedience and sin. If I was to judge you as you judge me I could be just as harsh concerning your words. You say the three stooges have the keys, authority over me. You also say the government put Jesus to death 2000 years ago. Am I suppose to take your absolute ignorance of the gospel as a personal slam on your character or look to supply what you are lacking? Jesus was the master of the cruxifixion. It was His plan, His prophetic destiny. Nothing in hell could keep Him off the cross. Just one small example of God using evil for His purpose whether Rome or Alsup is this. For 200 years Romans ended their cruxifixions be breaking legs. That was the customs and practice but to perform on Christ would violate prophecy. God’s word prevailed Rome succumbed. You think the US is a greater evil? If the three stooges of evil are in charge God is not God and Christianity is spiritual masturbation. Is that what you are alluding to? That would be the reasonable deduction for me to judge your intent. I having just a little grace can see that your intent is not equal to your ignorance.

Now to answer your question. I use harsh language precisely to expose the retards. There are people who are ignorant to God and His ways but can read my life walk with God like a book. Why did Christ speak in parables? So the retards wouldn’t understand. I’m trying in my destiny of championing truth to give those who have a little more and for those who think they have prove they never had it. Love is honest and must incorporate the truth. Factual truth and opinion are not as close together as you presume. Here is the best way not to be offended by my words like retard is not to be one. Save that behavior for those who are destined for it. If you are claiming a relationship with the Christ you need to take a good look or examination of this truthful fact! He is the biggest, baddest, King of the Hill. Not even the keys of hell and death could resist His power. One last question. Do you think the US can pose any threat greater to me than eternal death? To me my biggest most dangerous enemy has already been vanquished. This wimp can’t muster a worry from me when I’m certain that I am in Christ and Christ is in me.

12 comments:

habakkuk said...

"Why did Christ speak in parables? So the retards wouldn’t understand."
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LOL! That is so true. Right on Kurt.

habakkuk said...

"Here is the best way not to be offended by my words like retard is not to be one."

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LOL!!. I love this guy....The ironic thing is...is that the true RETARDS from the beginning of this battle have been calling Kurt retarded. I'm sorry folks, Kurt tests negative for retardation....In my opinion, his (and Scott) name will go down as heroes. On this blog he has done nothing but make statements of FAITH and TRUTH....2 things the enemy can't stand because he is the father of LIES and FEAR. And just like Yeshua (Jesus) said to the Pharisees "you are of your father the devil"...If the shoe fits wear it.

mogel said...

Math 13: 10, 11, 15

10. "And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11. He answered, and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but TO THEM IT IS NOT GIVEN.

15. For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should undertand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

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Math 10: 41

He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet SHALL RECEIVE A PROPHET'S REWARD; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man, shall receive a righteous man's reward.

mogel said...

Not only is exceeding harness of language justified in some cases, it's the way of the prophets and their calling card to a generation that thinks they know it all:

Enos vs. 22-23

"And there were exceeding many prophets among us. And the people were a stiffnecked people, hard to understand.

And there WAS NOTHING SAVE IT WAS EXCEEDING HARSHNESS, PREACHING and prophesying of wars, and contentions, and destructions, and CONTINUALLY REMINDING THEM OF DEATH, and the duration of eternity, and the judgments and the power of God, and all these things-STIRRING THEM UP CONTINUALLY to keep them in the fear of the Lord. I say there was NOTHING SHORT OF THESE THINGS AND EXCEEDING PLAINNESS OF SPEECH, would keep them from going down speedily to destruction. And after this manner do I write concerning them."

mogel said...

"U.S. District Judge Lewis A. Kaplan said he dismissed the charges because PROSECUTORS BLOCKED THE DEFENDANTS FROM PUTTING ON A DEFENSE."

"largest criminal tax case in U.S. history & the prosecution screws the pooch?"

Holy Court Batman, that doesn't happpen does it? The prosecution was just doing their job, weren't they? Here's the full story:


Judge in Tax Case Drops Several Charges
By LARRY NEUMEISTER (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
July 16, 2007 6:42 PM EDT
NEW YORK - A judge threw out charges Monday against 13 former KPMG employees who were accused of participating in a fraud that helped the wealthy escape $2.5 billion in taxes. The ruling essentially guts what the government once called the largest criminal tax case in U.S. history.

U.S. District Judge Lewis A. Kaplan said he dismissed the charges because prosecutors blocked the defendants from putting on a defense. He said the government coerced KPMG to limit and then cut off its payment of the employees' legal fees, meaning the defendants were effectively stripped of their constitutional right to legal representation in what was sure to be a long, expensive trial.

The harshly worded decision also amounted to a stinging rebuke of the Justice Department in its prosecution of KPMG, a global tax firm.

"Their deliberate interference with the defendants' rights was outrageous and shocking in the constitutional sense because it was fundamentally at odds with two of our most basic constitutional values - the right to counsel and the right to fair criminal proceedings," Kaplan wrote.

"This is intolerable in a society that holds itself out to the world as a paragon of justice," Kaplan said, adding that he reached his conclusion "only after pursuing every alternative short of dismissal and only with the greatest reluctance."

U.S. Attorney Michael J. Garcia said the government will appeal.

"The government respectfully disagrees with Judge Kaplan as to whether there was any constitutional violation in this case," he said.

A federal appeals court in May had all but dared Kaplan to dismiss some cases, saying he had the authority to toss out conspiracy and tax evasion charges if he concluded prosecutors deprived the workers of constitutional rights by pressuring KPMG to stop paying legal fees.

In an earlier ruling, Kaplan had ruled that the Justice Department threatened the company with indictment and destruction as it demanded the firm depart from its prior practice of paying legal fees for its workers.

Without that pressure, KPMG "would have paid every penny, just as it always had done before," the judge wrote in Monday's decision.

Kaplan said the case will proceed to trial against three former employees who had not established that KPMG would have paid their defense costs. He also let the case proceed against two defendants who were not employed by KPMG and whose rights were not affected.

KPMG LLP has signed a deal admitting its role in the tax shelter scheme. It avoided criminal prosecution as it agreed to continue cooperating and to pay a $456 million fine, including $128 million in forfeited fees from sales of the shelters.

Stanley Arkin, who represented one of the defendants whose case was dismissed, said the case demonstrated a "complete failure on the part of the prosecution to recognize any obligation it has to be fair and decent."

"I'm happy for my client and I hope the dismissal of the indictment sticks," he said.

In his ruling, Kaplan said it was significant to note that KPMG recently revealed that it has been paying the defense costs of at least 11 of the 16 KPMG defendants in civil cases relating to the tax shelters.

So far, he said, the representation has cost the firm more than $3.4 million.

"The fact that KPMG is paying civil defense costs, regardless of the amount, is consistent with its uniform practice over many years," Kaplan said.

The judge said that the defense already had incurred expenses ranging from $500,000 to $3.6 million, and that a trial expected to last up to eight months would raise the costs to between $7 million and $24 million by defense estimates and to at least $3.3 million by government estimates. The government had designated 70 witnesses and exhibits totaling more than 150,000 pages to be introduced at trial.

sd said...

Before I begin, This is long and drawn out and not really intended for anyone but Kurt.
I would just write him but I will use Kurt's past example, I will use this public forum for a private message. (This is not really private, that just sounded good when Kurt said it and plagerism is the highest compliment.)
I’ll stop far short of putting a curse on him though. I mean him no harm. If he will take what is said with a grain of salt and try to understand that it is not vindictive, it may just be of some use to him in some unknown way.
I support the fight against the current monetary system.
I support some of Kurts actions.
I agree with some of his methods/deeds but have agreed to disagree on others.

We begin.....

Kurt: First SD I want to thank you for your support.

RESPONSE: If you have benefited, then you are welcome. The support has not only been directed at you but for another also and for a cause that I feel needs support.
That is the reason that I take this time to answer each of your statements.

Kurt: Let me offer you an answer to a little Nancy Drew mystery. Why does Kurt use harsh words like “Retard?” Let me address your words first. Am I to take your words and measure your character?

RESPONSE:Judge if you wish, how ever you wish fore your judgment is of little importance to me.
Your specific use of “Retard” was not offensive to me personally but I do think that it may offend some others that might otherwise become supportive of this battle against the current system.

Kurt: You seem to think in your judgment that your prohibition in God as to language is an absolute law in His kingdom and therefore leaves you no alternative to find me in contempt, disobedience and sin.

RESPONSE: So say you

Kurt: If I was to judge you as you judge me I could be just as harsh concerning your words.

RESPONSE:So you could but the difference is that I am not in your position of trustee. It is not I that has the future of so many in his victory or defeat. (but that’s right, you’ve already won, the clients just don’t know it yet)
And the outcome of this situation will have “earthly” consequences for the people that have trusted you. You may say that earthly things matter not but why fight the system if not for earthly change? Your relationship with the Almighty is a wonderful thing if it is as you say but your actions including your language have a direct (so far detrimental) effect on the people involved in this convoluted mess.

Kurt: You say the three stooges have the keys, authority over me.

RESPONSE: Although you are taking a lot out of context, I’ll concede that I did in fact state that the keys are not in your possession and you are currently under the authority of the jailer. Otherwise you would not still be incarcerated. Or do you like it in there?

Kurt: You also say the government put Jesus to death 2000 years ago.

RESPONSE: If you will read what was stated, surely you can see the context of that statement?

Kurt: Am I suppose to take your absolute ignorance of the gospel as a personal slam on your character or look to supply what you are lacking?

RESPONSE: Well I guess ignorance is bliss, and I’ll be the first to state that I do not know it all. But I know someone that does and his name is not Kurt therefore I’ll pass on your offer to supply me with what I may be lacking.

Kurt: Jesus was the master of the crucifixion. It was His plan, His prophetic destiny. Nothing in hell could keep Him off the cross.

RESPONSE: On that we at least partially agree.And I am greatful that he decided to go there for me and for you.

Kurt: Just one small example of God using evil for His purpose whether Rome or Alsup is this.

RESPONSE: Hey, I know what, we can just put all the ignorant evil people to death and then everything will be OK. But who will be the judge to determine the evil from the good. Would you be so kind and volunteer? You seem to be the only one qualified at least from the views I’ve been reading. Before you quickly come back on that one, I’ll state here in this public forum that I am not qualified and would not take the office even if elected. I sometimes have a hard time discerning good from evil. I’ll also admit that for me Parables are sometimes hard to understand, but as stated before I don’t know it all.

Kurt: For 200 years Romans ended their crucifixions by breaking legs. That was the customs and practice but to perform on Christ would violate prophecy. God’s word prevailed Rome succumbed. You think the US is a greater evil?

RESPONSE: I would not define the US as a greater evil or even a plain everyday evil, my definition of the US is “a paradox”. A wonderful, terrible place. Like a hospital. You go there for help when necessary but you better look out for yourself while you are there or while they are helping you, they will kill you.

Kurt: If the three stooges of evil are in charge God is not God and Christianity is spiritual masturbation.

RESPONSE: I often use analogy (that’s a-nal-ogy) your example is anal-ology
Being that God is in charge, who do you think put the so-called “three stooges” in there positions of earthly (so-called legal) authority? Being the expert that you are, I’m sure that I will not have to quote chapter and verse for you to find the answer.

Kurt: Is that what you are alluding to? That would be the reasonable deduction for me to judge your intent.

RESPONSE: I have alluded nothing of the sort

Kurt: I having just a little grace can see that your intent is not equal to your ignorance.

RESPONSE: I appreciate the compliment, I mean the slam. Even your self-proclaimed grace smells of contempt. I don’t need your grace but I do agree that you have little.

Kurt: Now to answer your question. I use harsh language precisely to expose the retards.

RESPONSE: I stand exposed; is that what you are alluding to?

Kurt: There are people who are ignorant to God and His ways but can read my life walk with God like a book.

RESPONSE: And your harsh talk and language is a testament to that.

Kurt: Why did Christ speak in parables? So the retards wouldn’t understand.

RESPONSE: Some people have different interpretation of parables than others, who’s right? Or could it be possible that parables are sometimes meant to have more that one meaning?

Kurt: I’m trying in my destiny of championing truth to give those who have a little more and for those who think they have prove they never had it.

RESPONSE: Sounds a little like “Robin of Locksley” or did I interpret that parable incorrectly?

Kurt: Love is honest and must incorporate the truth. Factual truth and opinion are not as close together as you presume.

RESPONSE: I presumed nothing but I do try to be honest with others as well as with myself and I do Love and that includes you.

Kurt: Here is the best way not to be offended by my words like retard is not to be one.

RESPONSE: Everything is either friend or foe with you isn’t it? Are you so intent on fighting battles that you wish to make even your allies enemies?
I have stated several times, call me all the names you wish, insult me through innuendo, think I’m ignorant if you desire fore it matters not what you think of me but it does matter to me what others think of you.
I am not the self-proclaimed crusader championing truth..
Unbelievable as it may seem you are championing a cause with which I have an interest. So … “Straighten up your language” In your self-induced position, you are a role model of sort and it is unbecoming for you to say you represent the Christ in this situation and use vile and impious language. Cursing and insulting. That is not of the one above. No matter how you or anyone else tries to justify it.

Kurt: Save that behavior for those who are destined for it. If you are claiming a relationship with the Christ you need to take a good look or examination of this truthful fact! He is the biggest, baddest, King of the Hill. Not even the keys of hell and death could resist His power.

RESPONSE: And I hope and pray he is on your side and that the truth will win out and that the true fraud will be exposed and that Alsup and the others see the error in there ways (if applicable). I also pray that representitives of the Christ will present themselves in a Christ-like manner.

Kurt: One last question. Do you think the US can pose any threat greater to me than eternal death?

RESPONSE: Surely not, that has never been in question but they sure can make the remainder of your earthly life more miserable than necessary. And the effects of your battle will be felt by others, NOT JUST KURT.
Maybe it was your intent all along to martyr yourself, using this truth as a vehicle. Sure would have been nice if you had told all your passengers (I mean clients) your real destination from the beginning.
I was actually at one of your personal conferences and I don’t recall you ever stating that the battle was already won because of your relationship with Christ.. I have actual proof of what was stated there. Also there was no great testimony of your heavenly intentions, so get on with the earthly fight already and quit justifying an anticipated earthly loss by a heavenly victory. If you get your act together, You could have both. But bad language and talking in so called parables is not going to win it for you or us.
I've read hear several times that this will never go to jury trial, but only time will tell. Just in case, remember that juries are made up of people, some smart, some not, but none smart enough to get out of jury duty. Understanding parables is not something that I would count on from them. Decerning truth from fiction will also not be easy for them.


Kurt: To me my biggest most dangerous enemy has already been vanquished.

RESPONSE: And so has Judge Alsup’s if he has or chooses to accept the gift. Don't hold him in such contempt, after all Christ thought enough of him to die for him. Have you ever thought about it from that prospective?

Kurt: This wimp can’t muster a worry from me when I’m certain that I am in Christ and Christ is in me.

RESPONSE: Congratulations, now can we now please have a discussion about bank fraud?

sd

mogel said...

STD said: "but your actions including your language have a direct (so far detrimental) effect on the people involved in this convoluted mess."
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Oh really? Have you taken a survey? You lost me there! I've found Kurt's words encouraging, truthful, good, and uplifting. I suppose the next thing you might say is that "words are more important than actions or intentions." What might be considered "detrimental" today, might be the very tool, new door, or blessing that you wanted or needed all along in your journey of desire.

Have you considered that things aren't a mess, but your perception of things might be the very thing that is messed up? Have you considered that the delays and indictments & impending trial & the government & courts intervention in all events up to this date & time, including all inconveniences, are all part of what needed to happen before a settlement can be exacted? If you believe that, than it's not a mess, but all part of an inspired plan bigger than you & me or Kurt. If you don't believe that, than you are a judgmental & cursed man without much faith & hope. How bad is it to be cursed and not even know it? That's worse than being warned or threatened with a curse. Obviously you can't see that. At least a warned person has the opportunity to change their ways & avoid a curse.

I find your "language" and lack of faith, hope, and insight, & wrongful blame, actually offensive and "detrimental" to the people involved here. Maybe you were already cursed with this propensity to add "fuel to the fire," by your poor attitude & poor judgments, even before you were a Dorean client, I can't say for certain, but it seems that way.

I suppose a truly charitable person would overlook the presentation (words) and look beyond to the substance & the extreme difficulty of the task & not be offended though by the little & insignificant things, but maybe that's too much to ask towards someone so easily offended & influenced by mere words or labels & someone that is cursed where they are unable to see the forest from the trees.

Oh by the way, don't bother to respond to my post since I already know that you don't care what the "mighty mogel" thinks & I know whatever you say, you'll be wrong 90% of the time about me, so it really doesn't matter anyway to me.

By the way, I hope your attitude isn't contagious, although I fear it might be. Maybe that's an unintentional curse that you've given to some unknowingly.

mogel said...

STD said: " Everything is either friend or foe with you isn’t it?
Are you so intent on fighting battles that you wish to make even your allies enemies?"

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Does it really matter what others think as long as you know you are doing what God has sent you to do?

STD, maybe you would like to judge God too? Actually you have judged God wrongfully many times & you just don't know it. You actually seem to be vying for the job of being the Judge of good & evil because you are judging even God & don't even realize by your own words.

Jesus said some very similiar things. Are you offended by God's words too? "If you are not with me, you are AGAINST me."

The message here is for you to ask yourself the question: "How deep does your commitment go & how strong is that committment really?"

And that same question can be asked about your feelings about the Dorean Process, God's involvement with that process, or even your spiritual walk with God.

If you don't believe God is working through Kurt to achieve good through all of this, than you truly are a lost and imperceptive person, which in that case, it would explain many of your childish fears.

STD, do you believe Kurt has purposely lied to you? I'm going to go out on a limb & say that I believe that you believe he hasn't. Hasn't he said "the Dorean Process is a "God breathed inspired process" or words to that effect? Obviously you don't believe that. God can part the Red Sea, but he can't provide financial compensation to clients? If he can & Kurt told the truth, than believe it & shut up. Or continue to say that you support Kurt & say that he is doing the wrong things, like that type of statement makes you look smart or involved in something intelligent.

Math 11: 34:

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth; I came not to send peace, but a sword.
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me."

Judging just by those words, I would think you would probably say it appears that Jesus is responsible for the dissension between families & responsible for that mess.

He being "our advocate" to the Father, a more responsible & much far more reaching position of importance than just trustee, you would probably think, "how can God create such feelings of division & create such a mess"?

"Everything works out well for those that love the Lord", or maybe you don't believe that either.

STD, I really think you need to rethink some of your judgmental statements & conclusions & stop sweating the small stuff.

mogel said...

STD said: "In your self-induced position, you are a role model of sort and it is unbecoming for you to say you represent the Christ in this situation"
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Actually STD, you are missing the fact that we ALL OF US are role models to some people in our lives and even more important than just a few words you seem to be hung up on, ALL WORDS ARE IMPORTANT, so please include in your discussion of judgment, all of Kurt's words, since it's all important. Stop dwelling on the small stuff for you will "miss the mark".

Math 12: 36

"But I say unto you, that EVERY IDLE WORD that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment."

Again, STD, you are missing a major point again. It's not a "self induced" position. It is a calling from the Lord what Kurt & Scott are doing. They have said that too many times to miss that point unless you are sleeping as usual. When Kurt accepted the calling, it is tantamount to following the admonition: "Come follow Me."

As Jesus said to his apostles, "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you & ordained you."

Or has Kurt has said many times: "Whom God calls, he equips". So Kurt & Scott have whatever they need to win the battle, so as the Jamaicans say, "Don't worry, be happy."

mogel said...

STD said: "If you get your act together,...."
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I think if I was a high school guidance counselor, I think I would encourage you to consider the law profession & becoming a Judge. You seem to have what it takes all right.

I think they have their act together MUCH MORE THAN YOU KNOW.
LOL LOL LOL LOL

mogel said...

STD said: "Maybe it was your intent all along to martyr yourself, using this truth as a vehicle."
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STD, if you really believe that, than you really are a poor listener & a bad judge of character & the Dorean Process mission.

"A cause is not worth fighting for without dancing and a celebration party."

Where does that statement or idea come from? "V is for Vandetta". Do you remember Kurt's post on "V"?

I thought martrys are usually associated with lost causes or lost battles or associated with death of some kind; not exactly a win-win situation.

Kurt has always had the attitude of "V" for Victory. Learn it, spell it, love it, look foward to it with unwavering passion, rather than fear. You can't save a man in his fear.

mogel said...

"this loss is impossible since there are 302 statements made to the FBI from these victims that they had no loss; this total is millions less than the 7 million Farrel pled to"
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Pertaining to the conspiracy charge:

Real loss by banks 0

Farrel's pled to a
banks loss of 7 MM

Alleged amount
indicted
by prosecution
against Farrell
originally 20.5 MM



Alleged indicted loss against Farrell is the total amount of mortgages of all Farrell's clients for his 90 clients. Farrell pled to losses that didn't EVEN EXIST ACCORDING TO THE INDICTMENT.

Course in the Federal Indictment against all Defendendents, there were only a small amount of financial institutions that were originally mentioned as victims pertaining to the bank fraud charges, this number being ALSO being MUCH LESS than the total amount of institutions that were involved in all of the Dorean Presentments for all the clients. Course the clients aren't relevant in this criminal case.

Kurt is saying that only 11 alleged victim financial institutions are relevant now in the indictment & that potential loss that the prosecution is claiming adds up to only a few million in mortgages. Since MORE than a few million in those losses have already been claimed by Dewey & Farrell as being responsible for the banks losses, how can the prosecution charge Kurt & Scott with responsibility for anything now? No more damages, no crime possible, & no further punishment possible, so the Judge needs to dismiss this case & charade now or he is exposing his conflicted interests.

If you plead to fantasy stuff like Farrell & Dewey, you are charged with real consequences.

Just like income tax filings. If you swear under oath you had an income, you MUST pay a tax or face consequences. It doesn't matter if it's a fact that you had NO EARNED "income" according to how income is defined according to the Supreme Court. Your signature on the tax return becomes the evidence that you owe THE IRS.

Call it trickery, deception, B.S. or whatever you like. It is what it is.