Friday, July 14, 2006

The Banker Relationship

I’m going to appeal to some of your common sense. If you use it the relationship you obtained with the banker will be obvious. It is important to understand this relationship especially when there is a lot of propaganda to have you believe contrariwise. When you arrive at the bank seeking a loan it is in response to a solicitation that they have money to lend. This is either true or a false advertisement. Once you’ve agreed to terms of a fully disclosed transaction paperwork is generated. Both parties operating on knowledgeable informed consent. Of course we know this part is not true so let us look at the actual facts verses the presumed set. When you create the promissory note it immediately is given value by the surety, pledge of the maker’s labor and word. It becomes a financial asset and consideration from your side of the transaction. Now the cash/credit is suppose to come from the banker’s side. It should already be present in their portfolio before you arrived. It is not! Therefore the transaction is going to take on species not like a typical borrower/lender relationship. If the bank had the funds they would have put up consideration and brought their own set of rights to the contract and would have no obligations to you except that which was binding in the contract. Since they do not use their capital/credit and are precluded by Revised Statute 62 from doing so they must enter the relationship obligated to the one they are obtaining benefit from. In this case it is you. Your financial asset now being the only consideration in the transaction is the source of all rights, title, and interest. Since the banker’s have no rights, title, or interest in this financial asset they can only attach to it as an agent. Agents are like fiduciaries in that their obligations are to another for the benefit of the principle. They are to now use their skill and connections to move your financial asset into the commercial market place and see if they can get a liquid purchase. They are successful and place the funds into a deposit account without your knowledge bearing your name. This is known as the transaction account that will be depleted to fund the real estate transaction that was the instigator of this relationship. When they open this account with the funds obtained by your financial asset they add a fiduciary obligation to their agency obligation. When they fail to disclose this account they have breached this fiduciary duty and conflicted themselves. They have catered to relationships and duties outside their obligations to you. They have made themselves the beneficiary instead of account maker. Once they have taken the benefit to themselves by an act of conversion they begin to assert rights of a lender as though they put up these funds. They record a security interest, obtain fees, for creation, servicing, selling your asset. This is fraud pure and simple. In the normal lending relationship you would enter the bank that had cash/credit of its own to lend. You would create a financial asset called a promissory note and exchange if for the credits. Over a protracted period of time you would reverse this exchange with an interest benefit to the lender. Your financial asset would remain in their possession the entire time as evidence of the agreement and security for the loan. Once you return the cash/credit they return the note unaltered to the maker. There have been no mediators or interest conflicting the parties. If this is the type of loan you received you are obligated to pay it. There is no fraud; everyone is informed, knowledgeable, and consenting for mutual benefit. You did not have this relationship because in a debt-based fiat currency economy the bankers are precluded from consideration. They can only steal the wealth of victims in exchange for their licensed ability to convert all assets and credit worthiness into unredeemable credit. Are these crimes new? Certainly not but they have become more blatant and in a secured transaction there are too many pitfalls that these crooks have overlooked that expose the nature and method of their fraud. A successful challenge will have them running scared and putting their 1000 lb. Gorilla called the purchased UNITED STATES on those exposing the truth. Remember this, gorillas are under the domain of man according to God. Man is smarter! As a test for your own verification call your lender and tell them you would like to view your original unaltered promissory note and will go to where ever they possess it. Offer to cover your own expenses so they have no excuses. If they do not possess it they are precluded from making a claim. Should be simple, right? Get ready for a surprise. You have a right to view this. Do not accept a certified copy, only the original!

33 comments:

son of a prophet said...

son of a prophet said...
mogel said....


No immaculate conception here!!!! No mystery. God the Father, literally came down from Heaven in his glory & had some holy sex. Mary knew how this happened. There was no confusion



mog, you dont believe the immaculate conceptin???


interesting.

i do, but i do not believe in the 'perpetual virginity' of roman catholicsm

son of a prophet said...

lol! bette hurry up with those settlemants, before none of us is around to collect, or pay out!
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Israeli - Palestinian War

ALL-OUT WAR?!

Analysis: Israel is at war

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IAF Targets Hizbullah Deep in Beirut

Airstrikes on Lebanon kill 50

Israel intensifies siege on Lebanon

Over 700 Katyusha rockets and mortar shells have been fired on northern Israel in the current offensive in Lebanon

Iranian President Ahmadinejad warns against Syria strike: "such a move would equate to an attack against the Islamic world" -- vows "crushing response"

Israel orders more strikes

War Exposes P.A.-Hizbullah-Iran Connection

More Missiles Strike Tzfat, Nahariya; Hizbullah Says Haifa Next -- Haifa Hit by Long-Range Missiles Overnight

Israeli Givati Brigade Leaves Central Gaza: But Kassam Rocket Attacks Continue

US vetoes UN resolution urging end to Israeli attacks in Gaza

Bush defends Israeli strikes into Lebanon

Grim and determined, Israelis want foes crushed

IDF forces foil infiltration attempt on northern border

Are Israel and Her Arab Enemies Racing Towards "Judgment Day"? Dave Hunt book taking on new meaning in light of current war


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son of a prophet said...

above from cuttingdedge.org

son of a prophet said...

My first question is, if this new currency comes into effect (with a new SUPER-Federal Reserve covering all three countries), could it happen where every "citizen" must exchange their US$, Canadian$, or Peso for the new currency? Maybe at a severe exchange rate like US$100 = 1 Amero, and say a loaf of bread costs 2 Ameros (extreme example)? Has this happened before, possibly in the EU when they switched to the Euro? Like I said, extreme novice. [Answer: Yes. Anything is possible because America is now rules by Executive Orders and is in what Jim Kunjstler calls "The Long Emergency." Anything can be ordered.]

My second question is similar to the first, except where each country retains its' currency, but it is a two-tiered currency. It would be kind of like the discussion about the new "Redbacks" a couple of months back, only this time the more valuable Amero currency (with stronger purchasing power) is held mostly by the wealthy class and TPTB, and the "masses" use "greenbacks" (basically toilet paper). Is this possible and/or has this scenario happened before? [See previous answer: ANYTHING is possible when CONgress has ceded its powers to whomever.]

Thanks for the help, and keep up the good work!"

son of a prophet said...

just had lunch at my fav deli, and notice something i never noticed befoer.

i got a $10 bill back in cahnge and it was RED!

I red, i mean red abuot this earlier in the month about making 2 currencyies, but thought like everthing else, it was bull.

NOW I KNOW THAT IT WAS TRUE!

i wish that i could find the rticle. was the red currency the good or the worhtless one. I willl hold on to this red 10 until i find out.

ALSO: it had on it printed in old style SCRIPT printing, like the contitutoin was writtne in....

"WE THE PEOPLE" across the center of the bill in large script.

is this code? are the ptb telling us that we ARE going back to the contituoin? WOW!

IF SO, that means the DG is a winner, and more DG type groups are already in the works.

DG type tax groups, rights gropus. etc. and they will all be successful.

the dawning of the millenail kingdom is upon us.

ENJOY IT BECASUE IT WONT LAST LONG!


i admit, it will even be hard for me to beleive that it wont last long. but, i too will enjoy it while it last.

it is going to tempt even those with HS wisdom to say, i rather stay on earth rather than be in heaven, earth is so nice!

alas, when they say..."peace, safety and prosperity..." and then cometh destruction....

perhaps from the incomeing comet that is headed our way, which wont hit us, but change the electromagnetic fields which will wreak havoc on earth; quakes, canse, nados, you know the rest.....

son of a prophet said...

perhaps from the incomeing comet that is headed our way, which wont hit us, but change the electromagnetic fields which will wreak havoc on earth; quakes, canse, nados, you know the rest.....


could it be the "WORMWOOD" of the bible book of REVELATION that is coming to destroy the earth????

son of a prophet said...

as these laws have always existed, i guess that the ball game has now changed in the sense that these law will begin to be dnforced as originally intended.

why now all of a sudden?

do the ptb have a motive to allow it, or has the other side reached a critical mass and the ptb knows that change cannot be stopped or avoided any longer?

son of a prophet said...

mog,

thats all good, but it it just easier by far to use the defense that i prevously posted about the guy in illinois who had the IRS throw out his case because his attorney brought up the fact that all IRS 1040 FORMS for the last 24 years are bogus and cannot be used becasue they were not authorised by the OMB? office of mgt. and budget

as bogus forms cannot be used, techincally no one is required to file unless this correction is made and approved by the OMB, no?

the IRS itself has said that it dropped the case w/o prejudice meaning it can nvever open this case again. an open and shut case for opponents to use as a defence?

neodemes said...

"SPOKEN LIKE THE TRUE ANTI-CHRIST THAT YOU ARE."

Yep. Question or criticize the PROCESS and you WILL be labeled ANTI-CHRIST, FACIST, and TYRANT by the faithful few.

Hey, Kurt, didn't you alrady educate your followers on bankster fraud before you sucked them into your BS program? Why the lesson now, running out of material?

The 18th is approaching. You might want to spend some time on a defense with merit.

neodemes said...

FASCIST

son of a prophet said...

hold on to you hats, all!

the fuse for WWIII has been lit.

israel and lebanon at full open warfare and it wont end anytime soon; next it will involve syria as well.

bible says tht damascus, the oldest continuous city on the planet will get 'lit up'

you know that this time is different because hezbollah has now access to guided rockets whihc they never had before.

you know they are not mfg. these rockets but buying them, so israel will take more agressive steps and this is just what the other side wants and is prepared for.

all hell is going to (has already if you live in middle east) break loose. this war will just spiral out of control.

and porobalby a major event will occur here as well, as the bible tells us that satan (aka, the ptb) want to destroy israel more than anyhing else. as israel has much support in the USA, the ptb will make support of israel in the USA come with a heavy price; some type of planned terrorist attack trying to make the sheeple think that support of israel is not worht it due to the price to be paid.

when the USA stops supoort of israel, right or wrong, the bible says we are done....

"...I will bless those that bless thee, and I will curse those that curseth thee..."

HOLD ON TIGHT FOLKS...THE RIDE IS JUST BEGINNING!!!

son of a prophet said...

for an interesting article trying to understand who may be behind this whole middle east war business, agian check out the artic beacon for an infomative article on it. really an explosive article, if you ask me.

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/14-July-2006.html

son of a prophet said...

has the time the bible preidicts as the....

"time of jacob's trouble" began?

jacob (israel) cetainly seems to be having lots of trouble right now.

son of a prophet said...

....are we nearing the "70th week of Daniel"

as prophesied in the Book of Daniel??

Daniel 70 weeks

ok boys, the time of being a bible lightweight is done.

now we need bible 'heavy hitters'

its the 9th inning and mariano is in the game.

a .220 hitter doesnt have a prayer

can we bring back to all time pinch hitting greats.....

manny mota and gates brown?

wysiwyg said...

If Jesus did away with the Torah (law)why did the deciples and the followers of "The Way" ( they were not converts to Christianity, because it did not exist at this time) continue to go to the Temple all the way up until it's destruction in 70 A.D.?

son of a prophet said...

"...because it did not exist at this time) continue to go to the Temple all the way up until it's..."


this is not true. christianity is just a 'name' given to yeshua teachings by others, like a STRAWMAN.

what you call 'CHRISTIANITY' existed the minute yeshua started teaching; whatever others decided to call it, like the STRAWMAN, is thier business.

CHRISTIANITY© is a ROMAN name

why not call it YESHUANITY© ??

in either case, it has abolutely nothing to do with what yeshua taught.


and regarding keeping the law;

i am saved by yeshuas shed blood but do not keep the law; i am going to heaven at death.

you keep the law, and if you believe on yeshua, you go to heaven.

what difference does it make.

unless you want to add to yeshuas salvation plan...

yehsua + keeping the law gives salvation.


belief on yehsua + NOTHING gives salvation.

i dont keep the law, but am saved, thats all taht counts.

wysiwyg said...

sop SAID,

this is not true

What is not true? That the temple did not exist, or that the followers of "The WAY'(Yeshua)did not continue to go to the temple?

Is it not true because you say it is not true?

habakkuk said...
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son of a prophet said...

sorry, i addressed a different question about christianity.

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dbno said....

If Jesus did away with the Torah (law)why did the deciples and the followers of "The Way" ( they were not converts to Christianity, because it did not exist at this time) continue to go to the Temple all the way up until it's destruction in 70 A.D.?


simple. they continued to go to the temple on their own. they did as they wished. yeshua did not tell them to go to the temple after He was crucifed.


God also told them to go into captivity in in the ot in babylon and he would protect them there. some went, others went back to jesrusalem agianst gods command and were killed there.

neodemes said...

"Mormons build temples explicitly for that purpose"

Is there some architectural critera they follow that makes their buildings temples, rather than churches (or any other building)?

Baptism for the Dead - not biblical.

neodemes said...

I knew before you posted you would use 1 Corinthians 15:29.

Its the ONLY reference to Baptism for the Dead you can find - you won't even find it in the Book of Mormon, will you?

Taken in context, Paul was speaking n the issue of resurrection, to the effect that IF Jesus was not resurrected, all other matters related to Him and salvation were a sham.

Yes, there were people that 'baptised for the dead' and Paul was merely saying that if there was not a belief in resurrection at all, there would not be people performing that rite.

There is NOTHING in the Bible that TEACHES Baptism for the Dead.

Look to the story of the rich man in hell speaking to Abraham across the void, then take up the issue of God's mercy with God, not me.

I don't make the rules.

Was the thief on the cross Baptised with water? No.

Suppose someone accepted Christ in the desert with no water around and then died shortly after. Are they doomed because they weren't Baptised with water? If you think 'Yes', you need to re-evaluate who your belief system condemns.

There is more in the Bible to suggest that baptism is an outward show of faith than a requirement for salvation.

son of a prophet said...

i agree that baptims for the dead is not biblical.

in fact, i do not believe in water baptism for anyone.

churches still practice this.

the only way one is "baptised" is baptism by who else.....


ALL TOGETHER NOW......THE HOLY SPIRIT.

the HS is the only one that can baptise one today and He does this at His own good pleasure. in essence when one becmes saved, at that point they are baptised by the HS, not before then, and not when they are waithing to become saved; ie., when they are elect.

yes, it appears that many are condemned ahead of time, and many say that this is not FAIR....BUT, if this is not fair, then explain the LORD saying....

"jacob i have loved; esau i have hated..."

and god gives no explanation whatsoever.

the palestinaians are the house of esau and the house of esau according to the bible, is to be destroyed. all the palesitnians will be killed. not fair?? take it up with god.

was it fair what happen to job??

not by human standards it wasnt as job was a rightewous man in the eyes of god.

who can question god?

remember god says...."my thoughts are not your thoughts...") (and conswquesntly vice versa; your thoughts are not my thoughts)

son of a prophet said...

how dare they steal my comments.....lol!

i said it first!



Gingrich: This is World War III:

Ex-U.S. House speaker asks public: 'Which side do you think should win?'



http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news
/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51079

son of a prophet said...

when yu in court, be careful how you talk to da judge,

whatch out!

judges now to be packing heat under the bench....

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic
/stories/P/PISTOL_PACKING_JUDGES?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US

habakkuk said...

SOP said....

"in fact, i do not believe in water baptism for anyone.

churches still practice this."

Huh! I've been trying to stay away from posting on here anymore but I almost fell off my chair when i read that SOP. I had to reply. Your joking right?

son of a prophet said...

SOP said....

"in fact, i do not believe in water baptism for anyone.

churches still practice this."

Huh! I've been trying to stay away from posting on here anymore but I almost fell off my chair when i read that SOP. I had to reply. Your joking right?



no, i am not joking; serious as a heart attack.

only baptism is baptism by the HS.

also known as becoming 'saved'

son of a prophet said...

evidence:

when john the baptist baptised ppl, they stayed 'baptised', ie., saved; permanantly.

99% of christians are people baptised in churches and are also the greatest sinners and mosly all are merely elect and not saved yet.

(saved: when the power of the HS comes about you- you will know when this happens to you.

be honest now, can you if you were baptised by a church, can you still ACTUALLY say taht the power of the HS is upon you??

dont tell me the answer. tell it to youself, and just dont FORGET that the HS know if YOU ARE LIEING!!!

rember our good freind ananias and sophira, LIED TO HS; WHAT HAPPEN TO THEM???? C'YA!!!)

this just did not happen in john teh baptist day; or when yeshua baptised someone. THEY STAYED BAPTISED WITH THE HS.

KYHOOYA said...

All Right All ready!

I think that I have made up for any mist time at church, by reading this Blog content.

Hey I have a thought maybe we can get back to some of the money issues that this Blog I thought was intented for.

Here I'll start:
Why is it that when defending the banks that all of the neysayers overlook the doc. of history that are from men of power and standing that and say certain quotes about the wrongs of the fed.

why is that I have gathered more info in the past 3 yr. about the banking and the workings of our Gov. than in the 12yr. + 4 more that I went to school? VCould it be that they are trying not to teach us the truth about it? I mean come on! I spent way to much time making pictures about the two groups 1 with feathers & us with the funny hats that I could spit!

why is that the case in the schools evean today I can't figure out what the fuck the schools spend there time on all day teaching my daughter, because after there done I talk with her and what she is told is half bull shit so then we have to reteach her the right way.

The funny thing (thyats not so funny) is that the kid's of the time when G Washington & Lincon were around they new more about whats going on than the kids today and for that matter the rest of the counrty by a good 90%.
the kids back then went to school maybe for what 6 yr. tops and still did a full days work at home. Dose'nt any of this make you ask WHY?
I know it sure makes me and it makes me look at what MY TAXES are going to pay for (you know the one they keep wanting me to pay more and more for shit I'am not told about)
in the public safty interest of course, All in the safty of the country, thats why we can't tell you about what were doing your just to STUPID to understand it ( WE SHOULD KNOW WERE THE ONES THAT MADE SURE OF THAT IN YOUR SCHOOLS AS KID) We know you could'nt possably understand the real TRUTH about the AMERICAS AND HER GOVERMENT WORKING.

My question for you all is if the bank and gioverment are so up and up about the way there doing busuness then why all the back words talk and hiding the facts about how it is done???????????
IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK AND IT QUACKS LIKE ONE IT GOT TO BE A FED... DUCK RIGHT?


YA RIGHT THAT IS FOR SURE THE CASE WITH THE BANKS AND THE GOVERMENT AND THERE A HOLE LOT OF SHIT THAT THERE COVERING UP. WHY IS THAT ? ANYONE CARE TO POST ON THAT FOR A CHANGE?

L8R

KYHOOYA said...

bY THE WAY SOMEONE POST BACK ABOUT THE ROCKET OR MISSEL THAT I SAW IN THE BAY AREA They said that the halo from it was the sign of a topserect plane or jet going hiper.

If this was the case than why was it in the bay area and why did it just explode

why was I told that it was fuel being dispurst fron my local law and the airport tower control?

the thing as to strang of a happing to this area and teh fact that it happend almost to the date 1 yr later than that of the twin towers 911 is also strange.

the fact is there ios no resone for anything of that to be flying here as you discribed klike a test plane or even a tested plane. I not one for all the conssp. crap for the most part but I watched this fro a good amout of time and it was enough for me to make calls and have my wife and kid stay where they were in till I found out some more info on it

I guess what I'm saying here is that what you said as for it ID I think is not wrong as for what may have been the power of it but I'm not to sure about the fact that it was'nt still put something pout into the air

for that matter it might have been nothing and was just sent to see the responce to it from the public and there was calls from people that just myself
if you have any other info that would be iteresting about this plz pass it along I would be greatful for anything that shead some light on it

Not that I spend my every waking hour thinking about it and it has been a few yr. but still something like what I saw makes you want to know what the heel it is and what it was that was coming out of it.


Let's fact facts for just one moment about the goverment and say this in the case of the twin towers the amount of people that die in that horrable act was not so many that would have died or that do die in the out come of wars we have had so to think that it might have been some plan by the Gov. to get the people behinde them going back into Iraq when they just told them to get out of that area and let it be is not to far off the mark for a resonable idea about what might have taken place . You know with all that has taken place withis goverment term in the past 67 years I would'nt put it past them to have done just that. this pres has gone to great effort to show any one tha would talk him down that he will do what ever it take right or wrong to get you out of his face and out of the news and if need beout of you job house and country and for kicks how about a trip for you and your to the lovly vacation spot of the infedels at camp GITO bay where you'll spend your day fight of the heat and your night the cold and if your lucky you'll get to talk with a lawyer (of our choose and make of course. we would'nt want you to start to feel like you have any RIGHTS! NOW DO WE ?

CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR YOU MIGHT JUST GET BIT FOR IT.

habakkuk said...

SOP,

YOU NEED TO READ THIS:

Hebrews 6:1-3 (KJV)
1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

2Of the doctrine of BAPTISMS (with an S), and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

3And this will we do, if God permit

OR MAYBE ANOTHER TRANSLATION (LIVING):

1 So let us stop going over the basics of Christianity[a] again and again. Let us go on instead and become mature in our understanding. Surely we don't need to start all over again with the importance of turning away from evil deeds and placing our faith in God. 2You don't need further instruction about BAPTISMS (with an S), the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3And so, God willing, we will move forward to further understanding.

habakkuk said...

SOP, THERES TOO MANY TO LIST BUT LET ME GIVE U ONE OF MY FAVORITES:

ACTS 8:35-38

35Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

36And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

neodemes said...

OK, mogel, you have all the answers, no one need tell you anything about any subject.

Live long, be happy, maybe I'll see you in heaven some day. I'll be there, hope you make it.

Good luck.

neodemes said...

"T'S ALWAYS GOOD ADVISE TO STAY AWAY FROM FALSE PROPHETS. IF YOU ARE IMPLYING & THINK JOSEPH SMITH IS A FALSE PROPHET, THAN PROVE IT!!!"

Mogel, the burden of proof lays with you and your fellow Mormons to prove the claims of their so-called prophets.

It is only your hope and lust to be gods that drives you to believe such tripe that is laid before you.

I hope you come to your senses and trust the Lord, whom we, as Christians, serve, before it is too late.

An eternity without the Lord is the penalty for your error.