Tuesday, July 04, 2006

Justice of the Highest Order

We all have our selfish sense of justice. The evil of this perceived virtue is the vigilante we all love made popular by Bronson and Eastwood. God though has a justice of a higher order and it is a good thing otherwise we would all be eternally condemned. What if in His brilliance He designed a justice of this kind into our evil judicial system? Think about some of His truths. You become great by service. You live by dying. You prosper by giving. You fall by pride. These are not Aristitilian Logic of A cannot be A and not A at the same time but paradoxes. You can’t give with the intent to prosper or go up by going down. You are going up by going down. It is this kind of truth that misses most people and may not be caught if hidden in this beast design. What if pleading guilty was freedom? Not pleading guilty to be freed but truly recognizing your guilt and being sentenced. What if losing your identity was the best way to obtain it? Perhaps accusation and shame is necessary to receive honor and glory. It certainly worked that way with Christ. I’m beginning to suspect there is a deep truth hidden here that goes behind the STRAWMAN, jurisdiction, business and all the other obvious arguments. I believe I’ll have something to teach on this soon. In conjunction with this topic I want to thank you all for your week of prayer. It was timely and generous. We are very close now our case is settled in August the latest. Let us all rally our faith for the finish. Christ who authored our faith also finishes it. Blessed men go THROUGH their valleys of weeping PS. 84:5 they don’t get stuck there. Our journey has been tough and tearful but it was never permanent. Our detractors ridiculed and hoped it would be but the terrain is changing.

53 comments:

wysiwyg said...

Mogel,

I believe that the Mormon church forbade membership of Blacks, and Native Americans, something about them not having souls? This was directly out of the "revelation" of Smiths.

But due to increased pressure by civil rights groups they changed thier "scriptures" to allow Blacks and Indians into the church.

So what can be concluded by this turn around?

1. God is a racist who created beings without souls.
2. The book of Mormon can be changed to suit the needs of the organization. (changing Gods word is O.K. if enough external pressure is wielded)
3. It was Smith who was a racist and a biggot and he decided when he was getting his "revelation" to exclude certain ethnic populations from the church.

You tell us please.

light1rae said...

Would you guys start your own blog and leave us to the case in point the dorean group. We are not interested in your subject matter.
Thank you!

;)

light1rae said...

Kurt and Scott thank you for the good news about

"We are very close now our case is settled in August the latest. Let us all rally our faith for the finish."

Thank you and as always STAY THE COURSE....

;)
r&p

wysiwyg said...

mogel said,

YOU ARE PROBABLY CORRECT IN SAYING THAT THERE IS NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE THAT SAYS THAT SATAN WAS THE BROTHER OF CHRIST.

Yeah, because it is pure B.S. thats why.

As far as other scripture that was not cannonised. I agree that there are other books that are of benefit, such as the book of Maccabees. The major difference between these writings and the book of mormon is that these scriptures as well as the other books can be substabtiated by other historical measures, such as the writings of historians like Josephus and Philo. There are also a multitude of copies found in different locations and different periods in time. Let's not discount the oral traditions of Judaism that also substantiate these writings.

BTW when you reach your Godship status, do you get to choose which plantet you will rule over,oris it first come first served. LOL

wysiwyg said...

mogel said,

The change was due to a revelation received by the then existing Prophet of the Church, Spencer W. Kimball who declared it was time for a change for God himself declared it to him through a revelation received.


HOW CONVENIENT. So was it a prophet that also allowed the drinking of Coca Cola, which was forbidden due to the caffiene content, because the mormon church was a major stock holder?

So one can only assume that the god you follow changes

wysiwyg said...

Mogel,
You did not answer the question about what planet you get to be god of.

Is it first come first served, or is it predicated on how many miles you petalled your bicycle?

What about those all important golden plates. Where are they now?
God took them back?
I am very suspect of that whole deal.

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mogel said,


God (Jesus Christ) changed His law from the OT to the NT. Yes, God changes his laws according to the spiritual receptivness of his people & their ability to follow his laws.

Not true. This the misconception of the modern church through faulty and errant doctrine. Mans doctrine.

There is no scriptural evidence of an elimination of the law(Torah).

We all interpret the Scriptures through our own filters. Many times these filters are taught to us by others who have been taught by others etc,etc,etc.

We tend to look at the Bible with a greek or western mindset. We need to look at them through the Hebrew mindset, in the flavor in which they were written and understood.

Here is an example. The church would have us believe that the dietary laws where done away with because of Peters dream. Taken out of context this seems logical. But when you read the entire text with the mind of a Hebrew(which Peter was) you would understand that it is referring to foods sacrificed to idols. Also think about it this way. Lets assume it was not referring to food sacrificed to idols and was just talking about food in general. Peter an orthodox Jew would never, ever , even consider swine to be food. He never did eat of it nor would he ever think of eating of it.

This is just one simple example.
Following the rules of what you eat was pretty important to God. He uses the same language when refering to the consumption of swine flesh as he does to the practice of homosexuality. "It is an abomination" So is the food law a cerimonial law as many are so apt to claim or is it a moral law like not engaging in homosexual behavior. Seems to me they are on equal footing as something not to be practiced.

The Torah was put in place not as a set of impossible rules to follow to try an merit favor with God. They were set in place as a means of separaing Gods chosen people(yes you are chosen if you follow Jesus) from the rest of the pagans in the world. "Be Ho;y for I am ho;y" Holy means set apart.

I too for many years believed that God had one set of rules for the Jew and one set of rules for the Gentile. This simply is not true,and I challenge you to find the scripures that show that gentile believers have a different set of rules.

Mogel you have certainly been very graciouse when I attacked your religion, I know you are up to the challenge

wysiwyg said...

Yes, I believe in the eventual triumph of Kurt and Scott. It is just very disappointing when one thing is promissed and not delivered upon in the time it was promissed. I know there are unforseen circumstances, but if you have any doubt about the timing say nothing. It is better to under promise and over deliver, not the opposite

son of a prophet said...

were the banks responsible for putting the motto on the back of the doollar bill????

YOU BET!


ANNUIT COEPTIS

NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM


Translated: (ANNUIT COEPTIS)"ANOUNCING THE BIRTH OF THE (NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM)NEW WORLD ORDER"

which was plan from July 4, 1776 (coindedance???)

neodemes said...

down, if I may...

in regard to food, please consider:

Matthew:
16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding? 17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? 18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.


moogie, am I to understand you are a candidate for Godhood, with your own planet? Wow. Who would have thunk it.

You might want to consider Uranus. Somehow it suits you.

:o)

neodemes said...

"We are very close now our case is settled in August the latest."

Time will tell. At least its not the classic 90 day promise.

Counting down from 60, at most.

WillToFight said...

I'm With Light1rae

son of a prophet said...

from urban survial.....



Texas Think

A little contrast? Sure. Many parts of the recent Texas Republican Platform caught my eye - as they are clearly different than the agenda being pushed by that "occasional Texan" fellow in the District of Corruption:

Continuity of Government – We oppose any mechanism to appoint members of the Congress if large numbers of vacancies in Congress occur and oppose any attempt to deprive the American people of their Constitutionally protected right to elect their own Representatives.

Emergency War Powers – A perpetual state of national emergency allows unrestricted growth of government. We charge the President to cancel the state of national emergency and charge Congress to repeal the War Powers Act and declare an end to the previously declared states of emergency. Elimination of Executive Orders – We demand the elimination of presidential authority to issue executive orders, presidential decision directives, and other administrative mandates that do not have congressional approval. Further, we demand a repeal of all previous executive orders and administrative mandates.

Inter-jurisdictional Agreements – We oppose inter-jurisdictional agreements with any state that usurp or dilute the authority of the Governor to command and control the military, police, and emergency management personnel and resources of the State of Texas. We call for the repeal of all such measures that have already been enacted.

Puerto Rico – We urge the U.S. Congress to call for a clear vote of the U.S. citizens of Puerto Rico to decide between statehood and independence, for the U.S. territory of Puerto Rico.

Washington D.C. - We strongly oppose all efforts to make the District of Columbia a state in the United States of America.

Census – We oppose any attempt by the United States Census Bureau to obtain any statistical data beyond the number of citizens residing in the dwelling in the required decennial census, and we oppose statistical sampling adjustments. The Republican Party of Texas calls upon its Federal legislators to repeal from Section 141 of Title 13 provisions authorizing the “mid-decade” census, of which the American Community Survey is an example. The Republican Party of Texas also calls upon its Federal legislators to amend the penalty provisions of Titles 13 and 18 so as to grant relief to U.S. citizens who, for reasons of religion or conscience, are compelled to withhold their full response to any census question.

Preservation of Republican Form of Government – We reaffirm our support for the provisions for a republican (representative) form of government, as set forth in the Texas Constitution and Texas Bill of Rights [Art. I, Sec. 2; Art. I, Sec 29; Art II, Sec. 1; and Art. XVII, Sec. 2(g)], and we oppose any attempt to introduce direct democracy (Initiative & Referendum) into our state constitution, thereby bypassing the legislative process and the checks and balances between the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of government.

Germane Contents Requirement – We support a law that would require all sentences, paragraphs, sections, and any inclusion to legislation, continuing resolution, law or bill be germane to the title of the act.

Constitutional Convention – We oppose a Constitutional Convention or “Conference of the States” to rewrite the United States Constitution. Furthermore, we demand the Texas Legislature immediately rescind the State’s 1977 vote sent to the United States Congress calling for a Constitutional Convention. We also call upon other states to rescind their votes for a Constitutional Convention. The Republican Party of Texas calls upon its Federal legislators to repeal from Section 141 of Title 13 provisions authorizing the “mid-decade” census, of which the American Community Survey is an example. The Republican Party of Texas also calls upon its Federal legislators to amend the penalty provisions of Titles 13 and 18 so as to grant relief to U.S. citizens who, for reasons of religion or conscience, are compelled to withhold their full response to any census question.

As you might expect, there are some parts of the extensive document that I don't personally agree with, but there's a ton of good stuff in it - especially the clear articulation of the issue of governance by Executive decree (Orders) and opposing the off-in-the-distance plan of the NWO gang to hold a Constitutional Convention so the corporatists can rewrite the Constitution to be more "soft border" friendly with Mexico...

WillToFight said...

Bombs Bursting in Air

By Cindy Sheehan

The flag represents so much lying, fixed elections, profiting by the war machine, high gas prices, spying on Americans, rapid erosion of our freedoms while BushCo literally gets away with murder, torture and extreme rendition, contaminating the world with depleted uranium, and illegal and immoral wars that are responsible for killing so many. A symbol which used to represent hope to so many around the world now fills so many with disgust.


Continue

http://www.informationclearinghouse.
info/

WillToFight said...

Patriotism & The Fourth of July

By Howard Zinn

In celebration of the 4th of July there will be many speeches about the young people who “died for their country.” Let's be honest about war. Those who gave their lives did not die for their country, as they were led to believe but for their government. The distinction between country and government is at the heart of the Declaration of Independence, which will be referred to again and again on July 4, but without attention to its meaning. Continue

The Declaration of Independence of the Thirteen Colonies

In Congress, July 4, 1776

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Continue

A New Declaration of Independence

By Emma Goldman

When, in the course of human development, existing institutions prove inadequate to the needs of man, when they serve merely to enslave, rob, and oppress mankind, the people have the eternal right to rebel against, and overthrow, these institutions.

Continue

WillToFight said...

Lou Dobbs on the North American Union

4 Minute Video

President Bush signed a formal agreement that will end the United States as we know it, and he took the step without approval from either the U.S. Congress or the people of the United States. Click here to watch

The Plot To Overthrow FDR

America's Hidden History

The Plot To Overthrow FDR reveals how, inspired by political trends in Germany and Italy, this group conceived of a plan to either overthrow the newly-elected president or force him to take orders from them. They envisioned a paramilitary organization of disgruntled WWI veterans as the force to intimidate the government. The man they chose to inspire and lead this veteran's army was retired Marine General Smedley D. Butler. Click here to watch. Windows Media

Is Cheney betting on Economic Collapse?

By Mike Whitney

Wouldn’t you like to know where Dick Cheney puts his money? Then you’d know whether his “deficits don’t matter” claim is just baloney or not.

Continue

http://www.informationclearinghouse
.info/

WillToFight said...

Above

Some of the Many Answers to the "Duty of a Citizen

NO RELIGION ALLOWED

WillToFight said...

Busted for wearing a peace T-shirt; has this country gone completely insane?

Mike Ferner | July 5 2006

Friday afternoon, drinking a cup of coffee while sitting in the Jesse Brown V.A. Medical Center on Chicago's south side, a Veterans Administration cop walked up to me and said, "Okay, you've had your 15 minutes, it's time to go."

"Huh?" I asked intelligently, not quite sure what he was talking about.

"You can't be in here protesting," Officer Adkins said, pointing to my Veterans For Peace shirt.

"Well, I'm not protesting, I'm having a cup of coffee," I returned, thinking that logic would convince Adkins to go back to his earlier duties of guarding against serious terrorists.

Flipping his badge open, he said, "No, not with that shirt. You're protesting and you have to go."

__________________________

Is this how we want to live?

RELIGION NOT ALLOWED!!!!

WillToFight said...

God did endow YOU with the ability to THINK for YOURSELF!!!!!

wysiwyg said...

willie,

Go ahead and align yourself with the likes of Cindy Sheehan. I thought you were for freedom and truth. Do you realize Sheeham is the new lapdog spokesperson for the communist/environmentalist-/leftist?

Look at the people she associates with, all members of the totalitarian ,one world ,left. Soros et al.

You are either so blinded by your hatred of this country and it's leaders that you don't see who you unwittingly support, or you are just a band wagon jumper.

pathetic

wysiwyg said...

willie,

Go find another country, where you have as much freedom as you do here,

Oh BTW don't believe everything you read on the net

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DOWNANDOUT said....

You are either so blinded by your hatred of this country and it's leaders that you don't see who you unwittingly support, or you are just a band wagon jumper.
__________________________

I post the Constitution on this Blog

I post the Bill Of Rights on this Blog

IDIOTS like you obviously don't read that part of my post?!?!?!

pick and choose. Twist and more twist! This is your brain!

Please do not respond to me at all if you act like NEO!

That is your problem you DON't get it!

There is no side!

There is only TRUTH and FACTS! Sometime they are two different things.

Think about that one!

DOWN AND CERTAINLY AN IDIOT

Don't talk to me unless you can think out loud!

It is really getting hard dealing with some of you here! Your ignorance and lack of thought (critical) is just uncanny!

Where are you, chained in a basement in Alabama?

WillToFight said...

DownButOut said...

willie,

Go ahead and align yourself with the likes of Cindy Sheehan. I thought you were for freedom and truth. Do you realize Sheeham is the new lapdog spokesperson for the communist/environmentalist-/leftist?
________________________

I certainly would not align with you after that statement!

Your Gone Down and Out. Are you on crack or Meth what's up! If you've figured out one thing on this site.

People like you are not the only ones!!!!!!!

Your making me sick to my stomach just thinking about what type person you are!

Those that hold real power do not I REPEAT DO NOT care about YOU or ME!

They have infiltrated every facet of society you idiot!

Religion/Economics/Politics/Sports etc, etc, etc.

There is no SIDE. There is FACT and Truth not necessarily in that order!

WillToFight said...

DownOutUpsideIn Said

willie,

Go find another country, where you have as much freedom as you do here,
_____________________

You Rush Limbaugh Druggie

Albeit Rush doesn't talk about the fact that 100's of AMERICAN Blue Blooded owned Corporations have freedom as they want in other Countries, leaving American and YOU in a bind that will last for generations as the erosion of your job and others continue to be out sold/sourced for much less!

You've got the wrong person! Don't give me that one tracked mindset that is patented by those with a KKK mentality!

wysiwyg said...

Will,


Gosh I never knew I was an idiot until you so graciously pointed it out, thank you. I think I will go hide under my bed for awhile, with my new tinfoil hat.

WillToFight said...

Pinch yourself

DOWN AND OUT

There is a fact for you that that happened (if you do it) or do you believe you can do that?


Tell me about it my child!

WillToFight said...

Downbutcertainlyout said...

Gosh I never knew I was an idiot until you so graciously pointed it out, thank you. I think I will go hide under my bed for awhile, with my new tinfoil hat.
_____________________

You don't have to do any of that, unless you really want to!

What a Brick!

WillToFight said...

Down But Not Out So he says said.....

Gosh I never knew I was an idiot until you so graciously pointed it out, thank you.
____________________

No thank yourself. Give praise to you extreme high intellect!

WillToFight said...

Question Everyone

Is there an oppisite to Truth?

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DownNotThinking said...

I think I will go hide under my bed for awhile, with my new tinfoil hat.
___________________

A word of advise. Do Not Stick tinfoil into the light socket under that is under bed.

I would not want to be the cause of your continued effort of libotomy!

wysiwyg said...

Willie,

So much love from you, it is overwhelming.

You prisonplanet druggie.LOL

wysiwyg said...

Willie,

So much love from you, it is overwhelming.

You prisonplanet druggie.LOL

WillToFight said...

Willie,

So much love from you, it is overwhelming.

You prisonplanet druggie.LOL
_______________________


call it what you want!

I will not LOL with you!

Your program is corrupt!

wysiwyg said...

will,

Your name calling and personal attacks belie your seditious arguements.

Pretty good for someone with a "libotomy" don't cha think?

wysiwyg said...

getmeoffthisride,


Amen to that !!!

neodemes said...

Who was the first Mormon who died?

Maybe God gave him one of His planets and the new god created other planets to give to the next mormon god, ya think, maybe?

mogel, claim Uranus before someone else does.

WillToFight said...

DownandOut said....

willie,

Go ahead and align yourself with the likes of Cindy Sheehan. I thought you were for freedom and truth. Do you realize Sheeham is the new lapdog spokesperson for the communist/environmentalist-/leftist?

Look at the people she associates with, all members of the totalitarian ,one world ,left. Soros et al.

______________________________

Remember this is where it began. You labeling me.

______________________

Downinignorance Said...

will,

Your name calling and personal attacks belie your seditious arguements.

Pretty good for someone with a "libotomy" don't cha think?
________________________

Now you want to whine about name calling.

I am not a follower like you. I weigh issues and make decisions based on fact and truth, right and wrong.

You just havn't learned not to take sides, but to be guided by your nose ring by those you think you should look up to.

You said I should leave the country and all that juvinile double speak, but now all you can do is whine!

You havn't addressed anything that I put back to you accept Whine Whine, Willie all your name calling!

Yawn!

wysiwyg said...

will,

Chill out babe,

Why waste your time on the likes of a no nothing ignoramus such as myself.

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WillToFight said...

"The ALL" IN ALL

"While All is in THE ALL, it is equally true that THE ALL is in All. To him/her who truly understands this truth hath come great knowledge."

The Metu Neter

Everyone has a choices to make. It is within you and is always there.

Free Will!

Good/Bad/Indifferent

porblem is how much consideration or contemplation of the effect "Good/Bad/Indifferent" Right/Wrong was given to that choice!

Did it harm others? Should it "create" a stir to make necessary changes for the progress (Spiritual) of Society?

Did your choice show your inhumanity with selfishness that causes others to lose and left without?

Does your choice exclude those that don't look like you?

When is exlusion a necessary component of your choice.

"Every Cause has its Effect; every Effect has its Cause; everything happens according to Law (Spiritual); Change is but a name for Law not recognized; there are many planes of causation, but nothing escapes the Law."

You reap what you sow!

My choice is Truth, no matter who shows it! There are no sides, only the illusion thereof!

Chill DownButNotOut!

WillToFight said...

Oh and another thing

DownButNotOut

Hope my last post was not considered too siditious to you.

Ask yourself does it defy gravity?

WillToFight said...

Short answer

Fact is not necessarily Truth!

Truth is always Fact!

WillToFight said...

Down But Not Out Said...

I believe that the Mormon church forbade membership of Blacks, and Native Americans, something about them not having souls? This was directly out of the "revelation" of Smiths.
_____________

Why do you only point this out about the Mormons', are you only trying to stir something up with Mogel?

All Christian (Protestant/Catholic/ etc.) Religious Dogmas forbade Denied and excluded Africans and Native Americans and others at some point and not just from the religious systems, unless or until it was time to convert them/us at the end of the Sword!

Temporary "Changes"

Are you just choosing the Mormon?

WillToFight said...

SeenSomthing In Utah said...

Since when did this become a Mormon-bashing blog? I, for one, expected better from some of you. If you want to pick on Mogel, pick on him for his Dorean stands, not his religion choice.
________________

Oh he's back!

Sounds like a well learned Fascist, not agreeing that anyone should ask questions, except how he would direct!

Boy, these lying cheating Banks/Mortgage Co's taught you well hah UTAH?

light1rae said...

The definition of truth is in psalm 199:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy TORAH (law) is the truth. Also in psa 119:151 Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth. So we could sum up by saying thy LAW and Commmandments are TRUTH and there you go...lets keep it real.
;)

WillToFight said...

For You DownButNotOut

just listen to it! Below you will find the link to several speaches that have been locked up by your government for 40 years!

"We are opposed around the world by a monolithic ruthless conspiracy." ~President John Kennedy _


(http://www.thelastoutpost.com/
Portals/_TheLastOutpost/Audio
/johnkennedy/JFK.mp3)

ILLUMINATI "CONSPIRACY" IS REAL! "SAID PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY"


_HEAR IT FROM HIS OWN LIPS_
(http://www.thelastoutpost.com/Portals/

wysiwyg said...

will said,

All Christian (Protestant/Catholic/ etc.) Religious Dogmas forbade Denied and excluded Africans and Native Americans and others at some point and not just from the religious systems, unless or until it was time to convert them/us at the end of the Sword!


You will get no arguement from me on that one. Because the Christian"church" stopped following the Torah in about the 3rd century, all of mans corrupt ideas and interpretations found thier way into the teachings of the leadership, and then down to the believers.This dispensationalist way of thinking has corrupted the minds of the modern believer to accept as fact that there are two sets of commandments, one for Jew, and one for Gentile. I ask agian show me in scripture (in context and not sound bites)where this is true

neodemes said...

Seen it in Utah said...

Since when did this become a Mormon-bashing blog? I, for one, expected better from some of you. If you want to pick on Mogel, pick on him for his Dorean stands, not his religion choice.

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Anyone who seeks to throw the unsaved off of the path to salvation should have the Light shined upon them.

Souls are at stake.