Thursday, November 30, 2006

Angel of Mercy?

If this is J I can’t believe what you said, or that you really believe that crap. Yes God used me to launch your ministry. The men you visited that I lived with all that time had a very different report about me and still do. Don’t you think they are better judges on quantity of time at least. Maybe you have already judged them below yourself so their opinions don’t count. If you really saw me as that delusional why did you invite me into your home to teach Bible study? You never objected to my views then. You know I love you and invested in your ministry and believe in you. Put away this foolish judgmental hypocrisy. I don’t need anymore of the friends of Job to show up on this forum. You are right I haven’t changed because the facts haven’t changed. Maybe you haven’t changed and I was just naive. I’ll be out soon and I would love to see you and S again but I hope you will have the courage to apologize and take a little Bible instruction on how to live by faith and not by sight. Your sight here is way out of focus. Don’t worry friend I have already bet my life to prove it to you. If you are still in touch send my regards to Big Jim, Fred, and Mark A. Let them know I’ll return to visit upon my release. Have them send forms to my father now and I will get right on it.

32 comments:

Unknown said...

uh oh! did kurty receive a letter or some form of communication from a "teacher" or "mentor" that doesn't agree with what he/she taught and you are preaching?

just when we thought it couldnt get any more interesting, we find out that student is trying to teach the teacher, or that the tail can wag the dog.

gr82bmoi said...

Kafoolee said: "What a cheese ball for a brain you have if you can not understand what the fuck is going on with all this. No wonder you jump right in with both feet when someone tell you to without ever checking it out or waiting to see what is going to happen."

Was this comment directed at me? I don’t have to check it out or wait to see what will happen. Call me clairvoyant, but I can tell you now with ABSOLUTE certainty that the Dim Duo are going to prison for a long, long time. More Dorean clients will lose their homes. And, the crooked brokers will find some other scam to push. Wanna bet?

BTW – banks do not lend their “own credit”. Try to do a little research before you spout your ridiculous “legal” interpretations.

habakkuk said...

"just when we thought it couldnt get any more interesting, we find out that student is trying to teach the teacher, or that the tail can wag the dog. "

NO. We're finding out that the "teacher" has no business being a teacher....Thats aint uncommon.

the true said...

Why can't you guy leave everyone alone. Maybe you don't believe but the rest of us do. You have the right to think what you want but so do we. I would never disrespect you guys for what you believe. Didn't your mother teach you if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.
I believe in the guy and what they are doing. Its there lives on the line not Yours or mine, if they are willing to do this than why does it bother you so much. It was their choice. No one make them do this, it was something they believe in. If you are the Banks or FBI. (Which I’m sure you are) Then I guess you are being paid to upset, everyone. That being the case, I wont let you have much power over me, by letting you upset me. I believe in this process and that is my right. If God wants this to happen than it will and there is nothing you can do to stop it, But if he doesn’t it wont.
To the people that believe, If you are person for faith than you will keep the faith no matter what these guys say, so don’t give them to power to upset you. As I was taught you believe and don’t worry or worry and don’t believe. You can’t do both.

Blessing to all that don’t worry, because you do believe

Cheryl

Unknown said...

the true said...
Blessing to all that don’t worry, because you do believe
Cheryl

you have every right to believe in whatever you'd like. however belief and reality are two totally different traits for one to live within. most of you are caught up in this "quasi" law that johnson talks about and files into the court record to the laughter of everyone or the bs his father is feeding you, which will have johnson and heineman free "very soon"(how many times now), and this is your belief.

now, the reality is that you all are going to act in shock and disappointment when this is over, and the writing was on the wall, or actually on the court record the entire time, but most chose to ingore it.

so heed this post when all is said and done and the crying and complaining starts!

Unknown said...

habakkuk said...
NO. We're finding out that the "teacher" has no business being a teacher....Thats aint uncommon.

is that so? well then tell us who is the teacher and what qualification(s) does he or she lack that would prohibit them from being a teacher? and please be specific with your answers as most are probably be curious as to the identity of this person.

gr82bmoi said...

The true said: “Its there lives on the line not Yours or mine, if they are willing to do this than why does it bother you so much.”

Cheryl, who do you think is ultimately going to pay for the fraud? Just like theft or fraud against any other business, banks will pass the losses resulting from the Dorean scam along to their paying customers in the form of higher fees and higher interest rates. Likewise for any other business that has, or will, suffer losses because of Dorean and/or their clients. As a taxpayer, I am being stuck with the cost of investigation and prosecution and with housing those crooks for at least the next two decades. Foreclosures potentially devalue neighboring property – maybe even MY property. Shall I go on? Or, can we agree that I have every right to be bothered?

habakkuk said...

"is that so? well then tell us who is the teacher and what qualification(s) does he or she lack that would prohibit them from being a teacher? and please be specific with your answers as most are probably be curious as to the identity of this person. "

Your original thought was that one of kurts "mentors" disagreed with his methods and now thats supposed to seal kurt's guilt...right?

First of all your assuming this...as usual.

Secondly, i know lots of pastors, preachers, teachers in the church who are good people but they are just as ignorant about this stuff as anybody else. A friend of mine presented this to his pastor and the guy called him a heretic and told him not to spread these "illegal, irresponsible schemes" to anybody else in his church. But the pastor was clueless about this whole thing until he brought it up.

Bottom line, our standard is the WORD of G-d...Not a man's opinion. The WORD of G-d stands forever....in the end it will be the ony thing standing.

habakkuk said...

"As a taxpayer, I am being stuck with the cost of investigation and prosecution and with housing those crooks for at least the next two decades. Foreclosures potentially devalue neighboring property – maybe even MY property. Shall I go on? Or, can we agree that I have every right to be bothered? "

HUH!???? You gotta be kidding me. Let me tell u something pal...you have been paying big time for the fraud the banks have commited against you for years....And you blame kurt for that.

Dot make me laugh.

Yetter said...

Worry over K and S devalueing your homes and increasing your taxes is akin to worrying over the deck chairs on the Tittanic.

son of a prophet said...

"NO. We're finding out that the "teacher" has no business being a teacher....Thats aint uncommon..."


ONLY ONE TEACHER....

YOU ALREADY KNOW WHO, BECAUSE I HAVE SAID IT MANY TIMES....


ALL TOGETHER NOW....


THE H-O-L-Y- S-P-I-R-T IS THE O-N-L-Y TEACHER.

son of a prophet said...

thats why i cannot attend any church today as there are no biblical churhes in existence today.

i will have no (teaching) authority over me but the HS

(AND NO ONE ELSE SHOULD EITHER)

ALL CHURCHES HAVE BEEN INFILTRATED BY SATAN (by virtue of false/incorrect doctrines)

(but most are too scared to trust in the HS and go it alone; but only in this way can they learn the truth and increase wisdom)

and they are afraid to "go it alone becasue they do not want to suffer, but only in suffering is the HS RIGHT THERE WITH YOU.

takes more than just reading the bible, but no one (virtually) understnds this concept

it takes suffering. only in suffering does one get close to yeshua, not just reading/studyong the bible.

when you have done a great deal of suffering, you are given the courage to look yeshua in the eye and say..."i know what you have gone thru brother...I have walked the sands with you"

you now have fellowship.

not the fellowship that the churhes teach using the "shall ot forsake felloship" verse incorrectly, applying it to fellowship after the service of coffee and donuts

habakkuk said...

"NO. We're finding out that the "teacher" has no business being a teacher....Thats aint uncommon..."


ONLY ONE TEACHER....

YOU ALREADY KNOW WHO, BECAUSE I HAVE SAID IT MANY TIMES....


ALL TOGETHER NOW....


THE H-O-L-Y- S-P-I-R-T IS THE O-N-L-Y TEACHER.

___________________________________

Yep, i agree with u there SOP

gr82bmoi said...

Habakkuk said: “…you have been paying big time for the fraud the banks have commited against you for years...”

Oh, pah-leeze. What fraud? And how have I been paying? Thanks to “the bank”, I was able to purchase a home on which I pay less in mortgage payment than I would pay for rent (plus for me). On top of that, because the bank kindly lent me the money I’ve now got a tidy little sum of equity in my home that, without that loan, I would not have (another plus for me). Finally, the bank charged me just 5% interest for the mortgage, but I’m earning over 17% on my investments (big plus for me). Seems to me I’m the one ahead here – waaaaay ahead. Call it fraud if you want, but KA-CHING seems more appropriate to me.

Unknown said...

habakkuk said...
Your original thought was that one of kurts "mentors" disagreed with his methods and now thats supposed to seal kurt's guilt...right?

actually, you are the person "assuming" things.

when did i say anything about guilt or innocence for that matter? all i did was question the obvious disagreement between teacher and student. you, are the assumer that this person should not have been a mentor or whatever and you do not even know the identity of this person to assume such.

nice try at a side step, but it didn't work unfortunately

Unknown said...

mogel said...
So are you a prophet now??? :o)

yes, and here is my first prophecy for you. after this is over with there will be a well justified title to a blog called:

"Mogel's an idiot"

habakkuk said...

"Thanks to “the bank”, I was able to purchase a home on which I pay less in mortgage payment than I would pay for rent (plus for me)."

EXACTLY...THATS HOW THEY LURE YOU INTO THE TRAP.

"On top of that, because the bank kindly lent me the money I’ve now got a tidy little sum of equity in my home that, without that loan, I would not have (another plus for me"

IF I DIDN'T FEEL SO SORRY FOR YOUR IGNORANCE I WOULD LAUGH AT THE FACT THAT YOU USED THE WORD "KINDLY" TO DESCRIBE THE BANKS ACTIONS. BTW...HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF A HOUSING BUBBLE? I HATE TO DISAPPOINT YOU BUT THIS BUBBLE HAS JUST ABOUT REACHED ITS BREAKING POINT....AND WHERE WILL YOUR "EQUITY" BE AT THAT POINT? NOT ONLY YOU BUT THE JONES' THAT LIVE NEXT DOOR TO YOU. AHHH, BUT U THINK YOUR LIVIN THE AMERICAN DREAM...DONT YA?

"Finally, the bank charged me just 5% interest for the mortgage..."

JUST 5% HUH?....NOT BAD. WHEN YOU CLOSED ON YOUR LOAN DID YOU HAPPEN TO LOOK AT THE TRUTH IN LENDING FORM THAT SHOWED YOU WHAT YOU PAY OVER 30 YEARS? I KNOW, I KNOW....YOUR ONE OF THOSE SHARP INVESTORS WHO TAKES THAT BORROWED $$$ AND INVESTS IT...RIGHT. WELL, IF ITS WORKIN FOR YA..GREAT....JUST DONT GET CAUGHT IN THE RED.

BTW...I USED TO BE A LOAN OFFICER AND I CLOSED A BUNCH OF LOANS WHERE THE BORROWER TURNED AROUND AND INVESTED IT. THEY WERE NOT ALL HAPPY ENDINGS.

"Call it fraud if you want, but KA-CHING seems more appropriate to me."

IN OTHER WORDS YOU COULD CARE LESS WHAT ITS DOING TO OUR COUNTRY ALL YOU CARE ABOUT IS HOW MUCH ITS PUTTING IN YOUR POCKET (TEMPORARILY)....RIGHT?

KYHOOYA said...

justice77777777 said...
mogel said...
So are you a prophet now??? :o)

yes, and here is my first prophecy for you. after this is over with there will be a well justified title to a blog called:

"Mogel's an idiot"

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Ahhh but first there will be your's.

Let's see why don't you call it "If I only had a brain"

Cuz what you have now and 50 cents won't get you a cup of coffee.

But you already new that did'nt you?



As for the Gr8to be confused I have this to say :
If youthink that the bank are not lending you the credit if the form of their right to convert the note and there by funding your loan before you receive the money than just ask them to show you where the funds came from for you loan. It should'nt be a big deal for them to do this if they did indeed get the money from there profit and holdings in the banks records would show this.

It is you who might think to go and get you fact together about howw the system is working TODAY not what you were hand feed years ago about how it should be working . Fact is that it is not work that way any more.

Yourr right about one thing we all pay for the fraud carried out today.

We pay in the form of all the fee's the banks charges you injustly and then make's almost impossible for the lay working person to get it removed . Unless you have all day you can spend on hole with customer service only to get transfered and then disconected.

I'll tell you what when this is over or when ever you like I would be more than happy toi show you case after case of the bank's and the trick to cost you money.

One moe thing your right about that is thatyou make gfood money on the EQ on the property , only thing is you have to borrow from a bank to get it.

You see un like a loan fro you 401K or the like where you pay your self back that interest the bank count on getting that EQ from you oin the form of interest when you refi and they spend plenty to get you to do just that .
Lets see I think I got about 8 ofers to refi just today in the mail all boosting have I'm per approved and all that crap . we no that is alie and the many other forms they use how about those little adds then send that look like a gov't check a just about the time you tax return check might be comeing if you have one.

It's is you that might want to wake up and find out what is really going on TODAY not YESTERDAY things change fast in the world if your not up to speed than your run over and old news .

got to run

l8r

gr82bmoi said...

Mogel said: “Banks are able to "lend" based upon their assets on deposit. They are always able to lend more than they have on their asset total.”

Obviously you know squat about banking, so let’s go back to the basics here – try to keep up. Banks generally lend from one of two sources:

1. Deposits – This is the most common source of loan funds for a bank. In fact, lending out deposited money to someone else is pretty much the foundation on which banking stands. It’s a very, very simple concept so please don’t try to make it any more complicated than it really is, okay?
2. Borrowings - from the Federal Reserve or another bank. Banks do not fund loans from borrowings unless they really, really have to for obvious reasons (think really hard and you’ll be able to figure this out.)

Neither of these practices is illegal. And neither is the banks “credit” (whatever that means).

Contrary to your belief, deposited funds are not assets to the bank. They are actually an asset of the depositor and are a liability to the bank. Allow me to explain: when someone deposits funds at a bank, the bank holds the money until the depositor wants it back – in other words the bank OWES it to the depositor – hence it is known as a liability! Loan funds are owed TO the bank, so (are you following me here?) loans are assets! Bank financial information is publicly available, so have a look for yourself, assuming you can read a simple balance sheet.

Prisons are profitable for the taxpayer? I’m dyin’ to hear your screwey theory on that! (LOL). For the record, I have all sorts of opinions about our irresponsible government, the price of coffee and our involvement in Iraq, but since THIS blog concerns a scam you and the Dim Duo are attempting to foist on gullible simpletons, I will limit my comments here to that topic.

gr82bmoi said...

Kafoolee wrote: "I'll tell you what when this is over or when ever you like I would be more than happy toi show you case after case of the bank's and the trick to cost you money."

The real trick is to trick 'em right back and just say 'no'. Ever thought of that?

gr82bmoi said...

Papa said: "...not entirely true according to Title 62..."

Please enlighten us, Papa...what does "Title 62" say about bank loans?

gr82bmoi said...
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Stillwaiting3 said...

I believe banks can lend up to 9 times the amount of money on deposit. but for arguement sake let's say that they have a million on deposit and they want to lend a million. Do they? Let's say they do. They lend the money and the next day the depositors come in and make a run on the bank to pull their money (one million). What does the bank do? Where do they get the money? Do the people who have that asset at the bank get their money?
Please explain gr82moi? Please....

Judge Roy Bean said...

"Stillwaiting said...
I believe banks can lend up to 9 times the amount of money on deposit. but for arguement sake let's say that they have a million on deposit and they want to lend a million. Do they? Let's say they do. They lend the money and the next day the depositors come in and make a run on the bank to pull their money (one million). What does the bank do? Where do they get the money? Do the people who have that asset at the bank get their money?
Please explain gr82moi? Please....


You have a very primitive view of how lending supposedly works, especially mortgage lending. Do some self-education without the blindfold of scammers who use myths to promote them. Try a google on "REMIC" "Mortgage securitization" "wholesale lending" and "Residential Mortgage Backed Securities."

Loan originators (including some banks) set up loans that are only temporarily funded until they are securitized (sold through a conduit) into a pool that backs bonds sold on Wall Street to investors. That's where the money for mortgage loans ultimately comes from - not from the bank's deposits, especially their DDA accounts. Originators don't keep the loans for the most part and they have many sources of temporary capital to fund loan closings. It is a very liguid market.

Chances are, your mortgage wasn't originated by a bank at all, but by the bank's subsidiary mortgage company.

What a "bank" has on deposit may have nothing at all to do with originating a loan for which they get only the fees and points for orginating it and then sell it off.

I've used this example before, but you don't know who your baker buys wheat flour from, do you? Probably not. Do you know the farmers that supplied the wheat to the mill? No. How about the seed company the farmer bought from? No again. Nor can you expect to try and track cash and credit flows behind making a mortgage loan unless you have some significant hands-on experience in those institutions.

The people selling you the house get a check - that money came from somewhere. Probabbly a very short-term, low-interest credit facility from one of the larger specialized investment banks. The lender tapped into that credit facility (money) in order to facilitate making enough loans in a period of time to fill out a pool. That could take several weeks depending on demand.

But where they got it and especially how much they paid in interest are proprietary, especially since the business is so competitive.

And enough with the "banks can't loan their credit" malarky - read the whole statute, not just a few parsed sentences. Banks can't offer their credit in the stead of another bank is what the statute means.

When setting up these scams, it is just too easy to mislead people with little snippets of alleged "banking expertise" and "secrets."

KYHOOYA said...

justice77777777 said...
habakkuk said...
NO. We're finding out that the "teacher" has no business being a teacher....Thats aint uncommon.

is that so? well then tell us who is the teacher and what qualification(s) does he or she lack that would prohibit them from being a teacher? and please be specific with your answers as most are probably be curious as to the identity of this person.

8:57 AM
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You don't really understand what you read hear ,do you?

"Angel of Mercy"
Is someone who posted back a few.

Your postings make more sence to me now that I know you don't really comprehend what is being said when you reat it.

Your just a little slow I guess, well tha's o.k. something's can be fixed & some can't.
I try and over look it when reading your post.


Oh just in case you still have'nt got it yet, the Angel of M is the one refered to as the 'Teacher' in the post numb nut''s


by

KYHOOYA said...

tcob247 said...
Mogel..

yet not

Now that's about the funniest thing I've heard you post. LOL

There may still be hope for you yet....not LOL

you gotto use it or lose it they say.

who ever they are?

l8r \"""""""*
q8^]>-|z======\/
just hit the ball with the paddle o.k.

KYHOOYA said...

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Incredible!
More than 37,000 people told Congress to pass common sense credit card reforms last week, and thousands of you sent our holiday song to your friends and families.

check out the fact's on how most people think about bamk's at CONSUMER INFO .COM

THE SCAMMERS ARE THE ONE'S THAT WANT TO KEEP TELLING YOU THAT BANK'S ARE YOUR FRIENDS AND DON'T WANT TO CHEAT YOU.

Judge Roy Bean said...

Whatdoyoumean asks an excellent question, and if you visit my blog you'll soon see I have little sympathy for lenders and the industry as a whole.

But as a consumer advocate, what is most annoying are situations where people who've been taken advantage of find themselves in difficult circumstances (usually as a result of a major unexpected event like an illness or loss of job). Then they start looking for answers and help and can wind up falling into one of these debt-elimination scams.

They may even find themselves in litigation along the way, and sadly, even when the predatory lender or servicer is clearly taking advantage of them, the fact that they tried to use a scam to solve the problem helps to destroy their credibility. The legal concept is "unclean hands," and finding an attorney willing to put up a fight against a predatory servicer is next-to impossible with a client in these situations.

And "we" don't allow the lenders to continue making predatory loans and churn them through abusive servicers over and over again. The people we elect are unwilling to tinker with the economics of home-ownership and are content to accept a certain amount of collateral damage among their consituents.

The industry spends millions and millions of dollars in lobbying and far more than that in campaign contributions every year.

And when it comes to credit cards, as I've written before, all using CC's does is accelerate when you get something. They pander to our impatience. But it's OPM - Other People's Money and it's justs as addictive as its namesake, but unfortunately it's not illegal and no matter which party is in charge, it won't change much.

As for making it complex, complexity is a fact of life in any advancing economy. It has a twin sister, specialization. The more complex a market or technology becomes, the more specialized the people in it have to become. Pretty soon, it's almost impossible for any one person to be responsible for understanding the entire scope of a business, let alone explaining it.

Too many people see lending as if it were conducted between two people. I liken that simplistic, historical view to attempting to equate bicycles and Citation biz-jets just because both are vehicles. Rest assured, there's no one person, not even a team of three or four who can understand let alone fix everything on a Citation, while there are thousands and thousands of people who can fix almost anything on a bike, including a lot of ordinary consumers.

There's no reason to expect industries to remain static. Competition drives innovation and the really opportunistic players will either work behind the scenes to get favorable tax and legislative treatment (as in the people who came up with REMIC's) or, in the case of far too many others, will prey on consumers.

Judge Roy Bean said...

Mogel asked
______________
So are you saying that "Great to Be Moi" is completely wrong when he says that loans come from bank deposits? That's a yes or no!
______________

That isn't what he said so your question about him being "completely wrong" is moot. Again, lenders (including banks) have multiple sources of funds to originate loans. It's their business decision as to how to go about it.

Judge Roy Bean said...

Mogel, you must still be confused about the fact that your mythological version of lending and banking law has been struck down by the courts repeatedly.

People have gotten themselves into serious financial and legal trouble playing "let's pretend" as you continue to suggest they should.

habakkuk said...

tcob said.....

The lazy bastards that golf all day make more in a year than a laborer makes in a lifetime.

TRUE.

Maybe they work smart not hard
Do you want everyone to make exactly the same no matter what they do?
Isnt that called communism?
There are ways to better yourself
You have choices
I made quite a bit last year but I didnt physically work hard for it.
Should I go out and dig ditches to even things out?

NOBODY IS FORCING YOU TO DO THAT....YOU CAN GO BACK TO BEING A LAZY BASTARD MAKING LOTS OF MONEY. I'M ASSUMING YOU ACQUIRED THE KNOWLEDGE TO GET WHAT YOU GOT...THATS A GOOD THING...KEEP IT UP.

LETS JUST MAKE THE THIEVES RETURN WHAT THEY STOLE....YOU KNOW, THOU SHALT NOT STEEL...ITS ONE OF THE FIRST LAWS EVER RECORDED.

neodemes said...

moogie sez: "I'm not going to be redundant"

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THAT sounds to good to be true.

:-)